Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 407 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Brian Cox

Episode Date: October 29, 2024

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What a bizarre thing we've created. Now with your host, Adam Thorne. Might even be the worst podcast, we're the best one. Two, one, go. Enjoy the show. It's a little super massive black hole. So it's about 6 million times the mass of the sun.

Which makes it a little super massive. And then there's another one, the first photo that was taken, it's a collaboration called Event Horizon. And they took a photo of one in the Galaxy M87. 55 million light years away. that thing is around 6 billion times the mass of the Sun Let me imagine that 6,000 million times more massive than our Sun is that the largest black hole we've ever discovered Oh, there are bigger ones than that, but that's the that's a scale of them. It's a big ish one that so yeah folks

That's that's basically the Brian Cox episode in a nutshell it's incredibly confusing impossible to grasp and sounds kind of made up and that's the interesting thing about like certain levels of science and physics and you know especially like astrophysics is, you know, they talk about, well, we did the calculations on it. So we know how far things are, how big things are, the power of things, the mass of stuff. I mean, okay, we just believe you

because I'm way too dumb to do any of that shit myself. And, you know, thank God that we can kind of give them that because no one would believe these stories otherwise. Right. No one. Yeah, I generally think of myself as like, intelligent of like, you know, in the general sense, right? But I cannot wrap my head around some of the things

this guy was saying. Well, that's because you hang out with me. I do feel dumber every day. But no, it's, you know, they did end up getting into some really like, I think insightful, like deep topics that we, you know, can get into later. But in the general sense, this podcast was sort of like stretching my mind. And I think talking about like how science is really stretching our knowledge of what's out there and the research that's happening with these black holes and what's happening in space and, you know, diamonds the size of planets and, you know, black holes that are like this massive, like I can't wrap my head around it.

Like it's very complicated and like you said, you just gotta be like, okay, I believe you. I don't know. I don't know enough to even argue it. Especially with a planet that's a diamond. Like that just sounds like a weird dream. Like you have the flu and you're just like falling asleep in the daytime and you're just having one of those fever dreams. That's what I imagine. But it's what a lot of it sounds like.

Well and what I enjoyed about listening to Brian and Jo talking is, you know, Jo would be like, I want to ask you about this. Like how do you, I've read about this or I've seen this but I don't even know like basically what to think about it. and Brian had a really good way of breaking it down into like layman's terms right to say like okay well these are the fundamental pieces that you need to know, I can't just like answer like yes that exists or yes this is how it works or you know like in one sentence but... Well he does so many lectures, often when he's lecturing you know it'd be maybe it's at Manchester University where he teaches physics to basically freshmen and you know these 18 year olds that are just learning you know the first bits of physics 101 whatever.

You know he's good at breaking down complicated ideas for them to understand. But he also does presentations in front of, you know, groups of kids younger than that. So he has to be able to kind of, you know, connect the dots for them a little bit. And was doing it like really well with Rogan as well when he was talking about like quibbits and what that is and oh, it's just mostly, and it's kind of like an electron, you know, he just like keeps it simple

and then brings the ideas together. You know, and what was really nice about it is like, Joe is so, such a fan of Brian Cox. You can tell that for sure. And it is also such a fan of learning about these things. He's so interested in what we know of space and he talked a little bit about his, just his general excitement for learning. You can see that in like the, the it's a common thread in his podcast.

Like he's really enthusiastic about what people have to say and he's genuinely interested in what they're going to teach him. And I don't know, I think that's something that we can all take into our daily life. Like just like find some enthusiasm to learn something new every day and like, like actually like dig into that and not just be like, oh, well, I heard this like thing or I read this headline on Instagram or whatever, but really like teach yourself something and see where it takes you in your life. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. A few things about Brian Cox. I mean, I'm a huge fan of the guy. I love the guy. He speaks just so gently, you know, and so intelligently with great enthusiasm.

I mean, he's like the perfect person to get you into science and get you loving the whole thing. And he's an interesting guy too. I mean, he's been really well known and famous in England for a while. And he is very famous there. I don't know how famous he is here in the US. I mean, a lot more now that he's been on Rogan a few times. I know he tours here. Something about Brian that people don't often know is he was in a band that was even featured on MTV back in the day and I don't know quite how big the band was but I'm gonna play a little bit of it for you just cause, it's fun. And yeah, see what you think. Yeah. And that's Brian on the, I think he played the keyboard.

He was like the keyboard guy. He had a lot of keyboard players in 80s music. Keyboard expert and doctorate in high energy particle physics. Yeah. That's a real good resume there. There we go. I'm sure he does other things. He said that he's into boats, I think, too, on his Instagram.

Oh, okay. Was it boats? I can't remember. Planes. No, no, it was airplanes. Yeah, airplanes. He called them. It was airplanes.

Yeah. A few things that he started off with, and one that I found really interesting is he was giving an example to Joe just about, like, you know, how to present maybe the idea of science and what we're doing to a bunch of world leaders. And he made this little video for the COP leaders that basically said, hey, we might be the only life in the universe like that ever existed. And you as world leaders, if you do a good job, we're in good shape. If you do a bad job, it could all end.

So it puts a lot of pressure on you guys just for consciousness and total existence throughout the universe. What a fascinating angle to take, you know, for world leaders, like, you know, just in case they are taking things lightly, you're like, hey, this might be bigger than even the here and now. This might be everything.

Can you imagine being told that and then to be like, okay, now discuss that. Yeah, yeah, discuss, go. But I thought that was great. And it really kind of embodies him and his spirit for teaching and learning and just how everything works. Yeah. Well, you know, again, I mean, surprise, surprise, Joe brings up UAPs kind of thing. And his response was so eloquent. He's like, yeah, like, obviously, that's a concept that we've been toying with, but

like, here's what the reality of that is. It's not just like, oh yeah, we see these, you know, this footage, it's video footage, but like, what if it is and like, how do we go about it as like a race and as a, like, as the humans that could potentially figure out that this is out there. He was just very eloquent in it, but also it made sense. He wasn't talking above Joe, he was just saying that, yeah, I mean, there's real potential out there.

But as of now, we have meaning and complex biological systems on our planet, and that's what's known. like we have meaning and complex biological systems on our planet and that's what's known. I mean, you know, what makes it difficult for these guys? care. Did I mention that we care? I mean, you know, what makes it difficult for these guys? One, we haven't seen compelling evidence, you know, supposedly the US government has it, but they're not giving it to us. Right. So we've got some evidence. And I guess for physicists, you know, and scientists in general, they're looking for more conclusive evidence than something that looks pretty good. They want something tangible. There's additional elements to this

that are hard to wrap their head around. Like these physicists know what it takes to travel between massive distances. And it's easy when you're dumb to think that, oh, the aliens just figured out some sort of warp drive. But to the physicists, they're like, it's basically impossible, mostly, as far as they know. So they just can't get those distances. The distances in space would just be too much to travel between. And again, we don't see any signs of it. It's not like we look up and, you know, half the galaxy has already been occupied and changed

by other alien races. Like there's just nothing that we're seeing. Right. Um, and, and again, it comes to that thing that he was saying, the, what was it? The Fermi paradox, which is some physicist that basically said, you know, it gave the idea of like why we don't see anything, you know, because just the distances, we would already be able to see something if it was there, you know, it begs the question, like maybe what Brian was saying is like multicellular life is very rare. And it didn't come along till I think like two

or three billion years after life was already single-celled. So it was like single-celled for forever and then boom something weird happened and then multi-cellular and that's where stuff got crazy that's where you have trees and dinosaurs and everything else it's like you couldn't see anything before it was just like you know algae in the ocean for For a long time, it was that, right? Yeah. And it sounds like it could have been that almost forever. If this freak mutation or whatever it was that spurred on multicellular just didn't take place.

You know? And who knows what that could have been. I mean, the composite of the atmosphere was a lot different back then too. I mean, it was even quite a lot different when the dinosaurs were around. That's why so many of those creatures were big, because there was a lot more oxygen in the atmosphere. So for some reason that can make them grow larger.

We don't have as much oxygen now. It's not the same. And I'm sure before that, before we went from single cell to multi cell, the air composition was different. Maybe they needed that at that time to make that shift. And if time had continued without going into a multi-cellular and somehow the atmosphere composite changed, we could miss our moment to make that happen. And maybe many other planets just just that's how it is

You know gosh, I just you try to think about like being putting yourself in Brian's shoes and in like Being this person that knows so much but is seeking so much more knowledge You know and like being able to explain some of these things I mean you did a great job there, but like, you know, going deeper than that and thinking bigger. I think he said like, gosh, how did he put it? Like the beauty of knowledge and like the, he feels the most human when he's on the edge of like the known.

So like he, he doesn't feel super human. He feels human to know just enough, but to be seeking knowledge still. And in his opinion, I'll quote him, he said, mysteries make life worth living. And I was like, that's so interesting. Because when I don't know something, I'm like, I just kind of run away from it. And that's what I was like, that's so interesting. Cause when I don't know something, I'm like, I just like kind of run away from it.

And I tend, and that's what I was saying before, like really pushing yourself to learn these things and like discover what is meaningful to you. But like his level of discovering what's new and important and meaningful is so much more advanced than for me. And I just, it's hard to imagine being in his in his shoes, but it was, it was so interesting to hear them talk.

You know, they talked a lot about their excitement for the future and to see like what even technology that humans have developed can do like AI, quantum computing, like rocket innovation, and the fear that like our political instability could stand in the way of that. What do you think about that? Yeah, I mean, look, we'd have to have something pretty cataclysmic happen. I mean, potentially we could still have a nuclear war. I mean, we dropped nuclear bombs on a country before. The US did it to Japan with two bombs and it didn't blow up the whole world.

Now the Japanese didn't have nukes or ballistic missile technology to fire anything back. That's the issue today. But let's say that you know even something is dangerous as some bombs go off in the Middle East, etc. It's not like we're wiped back to the cave man days. I don't think that scientific progress, it could slow down. I mean, it kind of does under things like COVID anyway, or really terrible economies. Government collapse of different plate, like that could slow down, but progress is still happening. I think we'd be hard

pressed, even with stupid politicians, to fuck up us, you know, Elon getting people to Mars, you know what I mean? It's, we're gonna continue to move in that direction, which is, I'm pretty hopeful for. Yeah, they talked about how Elon, like he as an individual can be so polarizing that like people may not be able to recognize the real feat that he just accomplished, which is that like catching the rocket, you know,

on the, with the claw or whatever. Like if you are so like not. Do you know why they, he chose to do that? Tell me. So while I was wondering, I was like, well, I mean, it's kind of cool, but like, what is the point of, isn't it better to just have them land? Then they can kind of land anywhere.

Like, I don't know. I was just like, I didn't know why it would be. What happens is you've got, you know, the jets underneath, power just keeping it going. As it gets really close to the ground, even with the legs that come out, and there's like a lot of pressure on those legs and things that have to kind of come out and move,

like that's problematic as well, cause you could have problems with them coming out and this thing weighs 500 tons or whatever. I mean, it's a massive thing to catch. But as it gets really close to the ground, that jet that's coming out, it suddenly gets really sporadic to where the thrust is. So the thrust is more continuous and predictable

when it's higher up because it's only pushing against air. As it gets close to the ground, it just causes something else to happen, almost like a little pressure area. And it just makes landing those things way more complicated. So they just had to come up with this system because they were like, we can't guarantee that it will work all the time unless we just catch it. Yeah. And they had no fricking idea if they were actually going to be able to catch it too. I think it was like, Elon said it was like 50 50. I mean, crazy, crazy as hell. And look, he's super polarizing

and not to stick up for him. He doesn't need it, he has all the money in the world. But I think there's one thing that's really important to remember is like, he does the things that he believes in. It doesn't always make him right, but he believes in it. I don't think for a second that he's a bad guy. I think that he's pro-human. I think that he wants to make living for everybody better. And how he goes about it is really up to him.

And I mean, he's working on Neuralink. You know, he thinks that he can bring like blind and deaf people, like giving them their vision and hearing back. It's unreal. You know, he's got obviously the electric car stuff going on. He's got space. He's got the internet that you can get from anywhere. It's just, it's madness really. Yeah. What he's doing. You know, and then you've got Jeff Bezos who sells us books and a bunch of crap we don't need off Amazon. It's like you can't even weigh up these different

billionaires. You have to throw them all in the same category and if anything they demonize Elon worse. It's like what the heck is Zuckerberg ever done? Like he's making Facebook and he's not revolutionizing, you know what I mean? Yeah. It's like- They, Brian quoted Oppenheimer and he said, something along the lines of, like to be a person of substance, you have to have an anchor. And you can really, you can very clearly see what Elon's anchor is. It's like to move this innovation forward.

It's to be economic, you know- Multi-planetary. Yeah, and like to know more and to get to somewhere like really important and big in his lifetime. Like that's what he wants to see. And you have to think realistically, if he can get a colony that is sustainable to Mars before he dies, then in a sense he's guaranteed the survival of the human race for basically eternity. I mean, I guess there's no guarantees, but once you're multi-planetary, you know, we

can hop then to different places. We could colonize at least a lot of the moons even heading out as long as we can find power, I guess, for it and keep expanding our population. I mean, that's immense. Yeah. Yeah. Can you imagine being that person? Like, oh, on Mars? Yeah, the first one to get to Mars or the person that got the first person to Mars. And just like, and yeah, again, like knowing what you did for the human race and what you did for the future.

It'd be terrible for a long time. Well, yeah. Until they, I don't even know what they could do to make it not terrible. I mean, all the people go in there, they're just, I don't know why they would be doing it. I think everyone will immediately miss Earth and be like, what the hell will we be thinking?

I just want to see the ocean. Yeah, exactly. But it's a cool adventure, right? It's a wild thing to be able to go die on Mars. It's undeniable that he's really probably one of the most important people in our society right now in what he's doing, what he's pushing for, what he stands for.

And I think having colorful people like makes things interesting, but also like drives us forward. I mean, what if people were just complacent and they're like, it's okay, we'll just keep doing what we're doing and making really small innovations and it'll take a long time and we might die before we get anywhere. Like there wouldn't be any excitement in the world. And, and you know, that's a good point. It does seem like Elon just jumps ahead. Yeah. He leaps.

He leaps. Yeah. It seems like, Oh, you like your smartphone? How about I put it in your brain? It's kind of like his thinking. Like he just doesn't mess around with like middle steps for things. Straight to it all. And that's what Brian and Joe, where they were talking about like the polarization that we're experiencing in our society is not helping us get forward in that sense, right?

Like, you know, democracy, they described it as like a tool to avoid war, right? But like, we're using it as a tool to not let people win the democracy and basically saying, these people, demonizing these individuals for the good things that they're doing rather than using it to avoid things that are bad, like war. And yeah, it was so interesting to hear them talking about it in that sense and for a, you know, a scientist to start talking like kind of philosophically

about society and people and obviously like what leads to war and how people cope with that, but you know, politics these days, they are, they're about winning arguments, they're not about like getting people like getting us forward in that sense. It's just votes. It's just votes, it's getting people to, it's not to make the right things happen, it's basically to prevent another person from winning. And that's a sad thing, because it is,

it's holding us back, in my meek opinion. Right. Which is also wild too. It's like, we spend a lot of time on this show. Obviously, we're always just talking about things that happen in our world. Politics here, like all the rest of it. Then you get someone like Brian comes on Rogan and he's talking about things that only happen off of the planet.

Right. Right? Which is so much more immense, so much more massive, so much more infinite and wide, and we basically give it almost no care. Yeah. And realistically, you know, I know there were parts of this podcast that were just like definitely over both of our heads like, whoa what? Yeah. It's like how much can you think about it? It almost seems dreamy and just too fancy for just to even

contemplate and work through. And we have real issues right in front of us. We have to sort some things out today. It doesn't matter what the black holes are doing, right? As long as they're leaving us alone. But yeah, just to have somebody that can kind of like come and remind us, hey, there's a lot going on elsewhere. And I think it is good to think about things like that.

Like I've never met someone that was dumb, that was really fascinated with space. It just draws thinkers to the problem, you know? And that's just kind of fascinating. And I mean, it has to, like, for example, when Brian was talking to Rogan, and this is where Rogan was like getting a bit lost, he was talking about how if you move towards a black hole, we wouldn't actually feel it. Like our whole planet, planet Earth could like sink into a black hole and we wouldn't actually know that we've crossed what they call the event horizon, which is the point

of no return, where the gravity gets so big, even light can't escape, nothing can escape, that our planet would just go in it. Then there's a process called, I think it's called spaghettification, basically. Yeah, it just stretches it out like spaghetti into the black hole. So we're just like infinitely stretched. I don't know if when that's happening,

the thing that is getting stretched can feel it. I think it's just like, because of where space time is, it's just kind of not in one place, like, and very quickly you just get to the end of time. That's the only thing that you realize. And that was something that Joe just couldn't figure out. Like he was like very lost with it. And it makes sense to you would be, it's like what? Same Joe.

He didn't really, Brian didn't really explain the causes of it, which is basically like the thing in the black hole space, like time slows down for them, weirdly. Right. Right. For us, it's goes at the normal speed, but those, everything in the black hole, it's like, it's basically like they're frozen. So to them, normal time would just be almost the blink of the universe.

It would just end. Because they're in such slow motion that it would get to the end before they've even done five minutes of being in a black hole. That's the idea of the kind of time dilation thing. It's weird, right? It's hard to get your head around. It's hard to wrap your head around. Like I'm lost in the way you explained it and you're not, you're no one special. So yeah, I barely understand just that idea of it, but that's as far as I understand, that's what it's supposed to be doing and

Just so wild to think that that even happens and then also they got into just information being destroyed Right. So that's kind of what the theories always did is they said like there's always information in the universe It can't be destroyed. It just gets changed. You could figure out what it was, but you know, it'd be hard to do, but all the information is there. Well, now it's like, what goes into the black holes gets destroyed. Nothing comes out of it.

They just gobble up everything kind of breaks the laws of physics in that sense. But now they're starting to see that you actually do get that information out. It is coming. Like, just constantly learning, constantly figuring it out. And, you know, that's a really interesting part about all this is they have this picture

of how everything works. But since they're always figuring out that it doesn't really quite work like that, or, oh, we've just figured out maybe the universe is older or solar systems and galaxies form much quicker, closer to the Big Bang than we thought, it's like, we might not know much of anything, really. Like, we may be way off when it comes to these things, especially because everything with black holes is theories. Like how are we even gonna test that?

I don't even think we can ever get to one. Yeah, right? Well, I just wanna know how they know so much. It's like, if you go in and you don't come out, how do we know so much? I just don't, it's so hard for me. It's like math. They're just doing massive equations based on gravity

and all the shit that they're observing with their telescopes. Math isn't real, come on. Come on, it's real. No, it's not. I mean, not according to Terrence Howard, but we, you know, the jury's still out on that one. So, oh, I thought one thing that I thought was interesting. So gold is fairly rare on this planet. And, you know,

like Joe said, you can fit it in a few football stadiums cubed or something like that. Like, there's just not that much of that element. And that's why it's so, so expensive. You know, it's just very rare. And, you know, Brian was saying that the heavier elements, oh, that we just thought they were all created in supernovas, you know, the big explosions. But I guess some of them required more than even a supernova, even that explosion to make it.

So it looks like now the gold, you know, it being so rare, is coming from the collision of neutron stars, which is an even rarer event, but extremely powerful, extremely energetic and explosive, and that's kind of how you get the elements. That's so wild. And they're just littered all over our planet. We wear them on our fingers. Yeah, yeah. In my mind it just like... It's a neutron starship, babe. It's a neutron what?

Neutron starship. Starship, okay. Yeah, it's on your fingers. Yep. Yeah, I mean it your fingers. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it just, you know, it's so hard sometimes you don't think about like something that's so normal in your day to day life. You think it's so beautiful and delicate, like, you know, a ring that's made of gold, but like it's come from something that's so aggressive.

And so it's undergone the most powerful explosion that your mind could ever even or never contemplate. Yeah. And there it is. It's just right there. And someone found it and made something beautiful out of it. Dug it up. Dug it up. Dug it up.

Yeah. It's just swirled around and got squashed on this planet. Yeah. It's, it's really wild. Oh, what did you think about Joe saying? I guess the new iPhone Has a feature on it to where you can I message with satellites. It tells you where to point your phone Into the sky. So if you're in the woods in the middle of nowhere with no signal you can I message Which I guess means the only other iPhones, right? Yeah, but still it has this like satellite feature

Isn't that freaking sweet? I didn't hear that Yeah, that's what he was saying. I mean I didn't Google it to find out. I don't know. Yeah, I mean anything about Google search says with iPhone 14 earlier You can send I messages or SMS messages via satellite when you're off the grid with no cellular cellular or Wi-Fi coverage I mean SMS is just a text message. So that's not but that's between any phone. Oh, it said you can do SMS with the satellite Mm-hmm. That's why in order to receive a message via satellite using iMessage your recipient must use iOS 18 iPad OS 18 Mac OS Sequoia blah blah.

I'm gonna have to look into this more. I don't really know. What iPhone do you have? 13 maybe? Oh so you can't do it then? Yeah probably not. That's not cool. Gotta get me me a new phone with iPhone 14 or later. What are they up to now? How many do they have? I don't know. 16. 100. I don't know. You can send iMessages or SMS messages via satellite when you're off grid.

How it works. Sorry, this is boring at the time, but I was just fascinated to know how this is. It's free for two years after activation huh okay well shit more phones should be doing this soon I think Elon needs to make a phone yeah he hurries up and makes a fine can you imagine the features you would put yeah and also it would work everywhere all the time because satellites everywhere yeah it's like a nuclear battery you can land And also it would work everywhere all the time. Charges of Tesla. Satellites everywhere. Yeah, charges of Tesla.

It's like a nuclear battery on there too. You can land a rocket with it. It's like all the crazy things. Lastly, what did you think about the quantum computing discussion? They didn't get into it for too long, but just the idea that the way that these computers, theoretically, once we figure out how to make them good, can make, do calculations millions of times faster than any computer

that we have today. Because it's, as far as the physicists understand, it is literally making each different calculation in different universes. And it can do it infinitely and then find the universe that found the correct answer and spits that out. Wild, right? Wild. The wildest of things. I mean, I don't even know that I can comprehend it entirely. I think when it comes to some of this stuff, I just have a lot of fears over one. Like I don't understand it. You know, just like with AI, it's like if you don't understand AI, it is so advanced. But like quantum computing is like light years ahead, you know, further away from even AI. And with AI, like, AI could be like world ending could be like

the end of our world as we know it you know like because it is so intelligent so imagine something like quantum computing that is like AI times a trillion in terms of its power and its capability I mean we're just not gonna be ready for it we aren't gonna be. I mean. We're just not gonna be ready for it. We aren't gonna be ready for it. I mean, here's the thing. With most technology, it progresses slowly. We just get a little better, a little better,

a little better. Sometimes we get some big leaps, but they're not massive. Yeah. You know? They're not like the quantum leap of leaps. Right. No matter, like, we haven't made a lot of ground with quantum computing yet. They can only do very basic things. As far as I understand, like they can't beat like

our supercomputers that we have now for most broad computations. But there's going to come a point where they can, and also there's going to come a point where they can connect it to AI and say, hey, how do I make this quantum computer better? And then the AI with quantum backing is like able to fix itself and make itself even better. I mean, the fact that almost instantly they will be millions of times faster than anything that we have now. It's like it will instantly just be able to kind of figure everything out. And then where does that leave us? Like, it just seems too insane to be able to jump into that realm. Yeah. And again, I think back to what I was saying and the fear that I have over that is that someone or some group or some party somewhere in the world

is not necessarily a political party, but just like a group of people are gonna somehow. Some frat guys. Maybe some of these really smart people are gonna like learn that this is like so powerful and not necessarily use it like for the good of everyone and that it you know is going to create a gap of knowledge and of capabilities between the human race between those that understand it and you know have access to it and those that don't.

Hopefully that's not the case but I would say that if you're into stocks probably try to invest in some quantum computing stocks. Into some Nvidia AI chips. And probably buy quantum computing for dummies. I'm looking at it right now. We're going to have to get it and try it because I want to understand it at least on a fundamental level of what it's capable of. I wrote down several really good quotes that I wanted to remember from this podcast.

And one of them was something that Joe said, and obviously it's nothing crazy or that insightful, but he had heard it before and he quoted it and he said that World War, we don't know what World War III will be fought with in terms of technology because it's advancing so rapidly, but World War IV will be fought with like sticks and rocks because we're going to ruin ourselves. We're going to destroy ourselves. And that absolutely terrifies me.

God, I hope that's not true. I hope that we're smarter than that, but it's hard to trust us. And that's where we're, you know, with this, this fear of like the impending nuclear war that's like potentially upon us at like, absolutely, you know, you know, we're like, well think about it. We haven't lived a hundred years with nuclear weapons, right? So not even a hundred years has gone by. Now, we've done reasonably well, I think, with it, but we've had many close calls. And is it getting safer?

Or is it just that more countries have nukes now? And more countries have ballistic missile technology? And like, when does that stop? It is pretty scary. When you trying to put it in perspective or just like, think about that. Like there are so many things in our world, like in our political climate that are important. And we've talked about this, you know, there's a lot of really big topics that are being brought up on Joe's podcast right now, leading up to the election. Of course, you know, Trump being on there, and I know you're going to give a little update here in a minute on what's going on in that world, but if that's what we're up against, it's like literally our world ending, like what else really matters? strongly about, you know, on both sides. And I try to find sort of like, try to hear both sides in

those, like in entirety, you know, in its entirety. Like, I understand these things are important to you. I understand why you don't want this to go or this to happen or this to be limited or restricted or whatever. But if what we're looking at, what like the real fear and the real potential is, is that our world is actually going to come to an end because we're going to kill ourselves with these weapons. It's like, that should be our ultimate intention with whoever we put in office is that that doesn't happen. Right.

That that is that one, that person's number one priority. Of course, that has to be. Why do you think we spend so much money on the industrial military complex? It's because the military industrial complex, yeah, I said it backwards, but whatever. It's because the number one thing is, you know, secure those borders from invaders and, you know,

stop other countries from wrecking shit. Yeah. I mean, it just, that has to be number one. They don't really talk about it like that. It's not like the issues of the presidential candidates are like pointing on, oh, we're going to make sure the military is strong and smashing the rest of the world, but it's like, that's always happening. Yeah.

That's just goes without saying, both sides know that that's already taken care of and here are the smaller issues that we care about. Here's some environmental stuff, here's abortion thing, here's something about gun rights. It's like, yeah. No one's gonna give a shit about any of those things when a nuke lands

Just yeah, they're not they're not going to and so, you know, but but it's kind of how it works It's like we're we have very we're very fortunate. We have luxurious lives Even if you're not that well off if you live in the West any Western country off if you live in the West, any Western country, you're doing pretty damn good and probably better than the many generations before you when it comes to just being able to survive and being safe. Like we're spoiled, so we start to get upset about issues that ultimately, you know, I don't want to say aren't important, but they're not, they're not life changing. Yeah. I think, I think the biggest thing we can all do individually, cause like sometimes when I hear about these things,

all I want to do is just like curl up in a ball and hide, you know, like I, I don't want to just sit on the couch. That's the message. That's what we do. That's what we do, I guess. But, you know, um, and I think Brian, they talked about it sort of in different contexts, but like the only way to solve our problems is through education. That's what we do, I guess. you're insulting, but you're just educating on the facts, you're educating on the risks and the rewards of things, and hoping that if we bring our society and the human race up to a certain level of education all around, that we won't destroy ourselves, basically.

And so, yeah, next time you feel like shutting down because of this, just try to learn a little bit more about it. And that's, I'm really just telling myself this. I'm going to try to learn a little bit more about it. I'm going to try to, you know, and be, and be optimistic, be optimistic. It's like, it doesn't, it doesn't get you far being pessimistic all the time. It's okay.

Little bits here and there,'s gonna creep in but if you find yourself doing it a lot about most things then it's really worth trying to change that attitude. I'm about to get quantum physics for babies for my baby. That's hilarious. She's gonna know what quantum physics is before I do. I wouldn't count on it she's eight months old. All right, jumping over to basically an update on the Rogan Trump episode. And this kind of leads into what we were just talking about, the fear of all things.

I mean, you got half the country that thinks, you know, Trump is a Nazi and is going to end everything, even though he was in power already for four years and it didn't seem to happen. But I guess maybe this is amnesia or maybe they're just like, oh no, he was just waiting a few years to actually become this terrible person that we've decided he is. Yeah, the update is that YouTube have basically down-regulated his podcast. If you write in Trump Rogan just in the search bar, which is what I was doing initially to

just track how many downloads it was getting because it was getting more than a million an hour. Well, now the pod doesn't even show up. Joe even made an announcement I think on Twitter or Instagram just saying hey we know in quotations the issues that are happening with YouTube. I think that Joe knows full well what's happening. But he goes, I've just gone ahead and posted it to X so you can watch the whole podcast there on X and it already had millions of views but the last time I looked. But yeah, that's kind of a wild, kind of a wild thing. I mean, I guess, I guess it's to be expected. But just think

how crazy that is, that the most popular podcast episode of all time, and probably the fastest growing YouTube video ever is now being kind of hidden away and it's significant. I mean when I looked earlier today I think it was at 37 million views. Yep 37 million earlier today. It's now at just about 30. It's just turning over to 39. So it's slowed down considerably since they did that. So that was their plan. That's what they wanted to do. Now, where it isn't slowing down is Apple, podcasts, Spotify.

Those are still rocketing forward and we don't know the numbers on those. I'm sure they're massive. You know, this episode has probably been consumed close to 80 million times now. I think it will be, it's fair to say this is the biggest podcast episode of all time. And it was done by Rogan, which in a sense, no surprise. I mean, everyone kind of knew that if Trump ever went on Rogan, it would be this big. Yeah. You know, people have been talking about it for a long time and it's just like.

I didn't think it would happen. I said that before. I didn't think it was actually going to happen. And then, and then it did. We'll see what this does. You know, it's hard to know exactly, you know, I know Rogan and Harris's team have been in contact and they wanted Rogan to fly out to her. You know, she only had an hour, he doesn't want to do it that way, so it might not happen

at all. I think it's a big missed opportunity for Harris, assuming that she wouldn't go on and make it out of herself. But let's say that she did fine. That's a huge audience and she should be taking advantage of that. I mean, how many other interviews is she possibly doing that are going to be more powerful than going on Rogan? I mean, you can already look at her YouTube videos and press releases on YouTube.

Nobody's watching them. It's like half a million after like four or five days. The numbers are low. Yeah. So yeah, she might be out there talking to a rally, talking to someone from CNN. She has Beyonce. Oh, yay.

Yay. Beyonce. Beyonce. Yeah, yay. Yay. Beyonce. Beyonce. Yeah, well, she's in damage control because of all the Diddy Party stuff. So we're going to see how that goes. Well, yeah. What has our world come to? It's what it's it's a soap opera now, isn't it? It's like days of our lives.

Literally. It's just never. I'll be watching all that while we go into nuclear war. Season three of Planet Earth. Here we go. What's up now? Yeah, but to not go on Rogan's show, huge missed opportunity. And then, you know, again, you have to think if this is really close to 80 million listens, like what does that do for Donald Trump?

Again, hard to gauge, but that's insane viewership. And we saw what happened with a good debate. Trump went from zero votes, basically, a few good debates later, and he crushed all of the Republicans. And now he's up against Hillary and a few more of those good debates back in 2016. And he went, yeah. So if you get in front of a big enough audience and you represent yourself well, according to most of the people that are listening, I mean, he wouldn't have won everybody over that listened to him.

I'm sure a lot of people have made their minds up on him, but, you know, he wouldn't have won everybody over that listened to him, I'm sure. A lot of people have made their minds up on him, but you know, he didn't, he didn't really make an ass of himself. You know, he said way wilder stuff in the past. He's been, you know, very kind of, um, aggressive, I would say in some ways with different reporters. None of that happened with Joe. I got asked, do you think that he was coached about like what to say and what not to say? Do you think this was like genuinely just like- Do you think that Trump is, I don't wanna say coachable, but is like listening to anybody?

I don't know. Like he's pretty sure he knows better than whoever's telling him anything. Yeah. He's like, I got this. I know what I'm doing. I don't know about you, but I think it'd be interesting to hear from some of those people out there listening, like what they thought of Trump on the podcast and if they felt like he represented himself in a manner that would swag people one way or another. Yeah. You know, like, do you think that they, that he,

you know, what did he say if anything that was like off the wall or that was really good? We should do a poll. I'll do a poll on my, on the Jerry Instagram and find out what people think. And also, you know, if you're still listening at the end of this at 50 minutes, shoot us an email. We'd love to hear from it and

you know or DM us on the our Rogan review Instagram. That's probably the best place to get a hold of us and let us know what you think about that episode. You know, does this really, you know, is this that moment that really symbolizes the power and reach that Rogan has created? Is this kind of like the, you know, the anticipates of that event? You know, he's been working on this podcast for 15 years and he's had big episodes before. He may have had the biggest one up until now, but this is really like, bam. And it's with a presidential candidate

in a very hot, contentious election where whoever wins might be able to control how the world is put together in the next decade or 20 years. Like it could be a really big freaking deal. Yeah, it's wild. Yeah. Let us know what you think. We want to hear from you.

All right. Well, that's it for this week. We appreciate you guys as always and talk to you next time. Cheers, y'all.