Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 408 Joe Rogan Experience Review of JD Vance Et al.

Episode Date: November 4, 2024

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Enjoy the show. I'm married to the daughter of immigrants. I do think that immigration can enrich this country. I do think that, you know, immigrants, many of them are bringing a lot of to the table, but we have to be honest with ourselves that permitting 500,000 immigrants in a society like ours is much different than permitting 5 million or 50 million immigrants and Importantly, where are the immigrants coming from? What are their values? What are their economic skills? There's something what's the criminal record? What's their criminal record? There's something very in sort of the modern Again, this is a new thing because this is not Bill Clinton liberalism This is something that we're seeing today where they don't even want to talk about the

quality and the backgrounds and the skills of people coming in our country. Somehow it's fundamentally racist to say, well, we don't want certain people of certain backgrounds to be in the United States of America. No, it's just common sense. Yeah, so that was JD talking to Rogan and Getting into one of the bigger hot topic areas of this election, which is immigration and What's been happening at the border who the people are coming over here? Is it as bad as people say is it? Not a big deal?

You know, it's all these questions are up in the air during this election period. We're one day away, folks. It is currently the fourth. So by the time you listen to this, you guys might know who the president is. Currently, we do not. So I wanted to squeeze in the JD Vance

episode for the Joe Rogan experience review and kind of get going from there now what were your overall thoughts I know that you didn't have you don't have a lot of experience with JD Vance but what was your feel of him from after this podcast? And look, when you answer it, I'm not saying you politically align with him now. Those aren't the questions. People are always like, they hear that about somebody and they're like, I can't like him. But just as a person, did he sound weird? Was he goofy? Was he goofy was he?

Interesting charming that sort of thing. I think he was more relatable than I thought he would be. Mm-hmm I think I expected to dislike it more Just based on what the narrative is in my kind of media algorithm for some reason. And they did want to, they were trying to call him weird for a while. Yeah. I think he doesn't, he doesn't seem weird. Seems like a bit of a square.

Seemed pretty normal. I mean, a bit of a nerd, but I think I'm someone who always likes to think that everyone has value. And so it's really nice to like kind of, I feel like on the Rogan podcast, there's like a level playing field to just sort of put the ego down and like listen to what that's actually being said. And like, oddly, I feel like my perspective on a lot of topics, not necessarily what I believe in, but like who is advocating for those topics is like coming to light.

And so I, that's what I enjoy about, you know, listening to the Trump podcast and about this one. I think it's mostly, I'm just, I think my eyes are kind of being open to a lot of things that I'd really like to know more about. It's a bit more humanizing for people on the Rogan show for sure. I think that it really gives everybody a good chance to kind of show who they are. I mean, I guess that could backfire

if you're really weird and you go on that. Yeah. Rogan's podcast, but he's gonna figure it out. It's gonna be a mess. Yeah. But yeah, JD seemed, I mean, he spoke well. He seemed down to earth. He seemed like he had a good sense of humor. Again, I mean, he didn well, he seemed down to earth. He seemed like he had a good sense of humor. Um, again, I mean, he didn't lay out every policy.

So, you know, I'm not here to kind of like critique policy. Um, you know, we got, we got a bunch of reviews and comments from the Trump one. And people seem pretty upset with me that I wasn't like calling out bullshit or doing some fact checking. Uh, yeah, sorry. That's not really what we do though. You know, we're just talking about how the conversation went, right? It's, it's really what we get into.

So, you know, and I want to see the quirks in people. I want to like listen to them and think, Hey, could I, could I hang out with this person and have a conversation with them? That, you know, maybe did I learn something as well, or at least learn about them? You know, it's interesting to hear somebody like JD, who's 40 years old, he's younger than me, and he's going to be potentially the vice president, which is really close to being the president.

So, wow, you know, it's, it's like everybody gets to the age eventually when the president is younger than them. If they, obviously they have to live long enough, but most people get to. And it's like, oh, kind of a strange time when that starts to happen. Cause you're just like, holy heck. This guy was a freshman when I was a senior. And now he might be running the free world to some degree. Like it happens, you get there.

But, you know, he's saying he's gone from, he was well known as a Senator, but you're not anywhere as well known as you are when you're a vice presidential candidate this close to, you close to getting into office. I mean, what a shift in his life. Secret service everywhere, all around his family. Tons of scrutiny. I mean, they must be looking at absolutely everything that he is about.

I mean, I wonder if it keeps them up at night Just even with like irrational dream thoughts of like something they did in their past that The the press are gonna find and you're like, oh no, I didn't do that. I didn't it didn't happen It must be terrifying though Yeah, I mean, you know the overnight change in lack of, I think he called it anonymity. Like he just, everyone knows who he is. You know, he used to, he was a public figure, but like didn't get stopped all the time. And there was no secret service.

And so, I mean, trying to imagine that, you know, having a family, like putting them through that, I think any of the candidates doing this, I think it's a brave thing. I think it's a respectable thing. And, you know, I think it's this, I said it's a brave thing. I think it's a respectable thing. And I think it's this, I said it was really nice to kind of get to know him on like a personal level too, and like understand that he's a dad

and all of the things that make him seem, that are really great about him. Yeah, well, I think it's important because people love to demonize these politicians. Right? And that's why it's so important that they come on and speak for this long in kind of like the open public forum, because you can't be this diabolically evil person and also communicate so normally.

Like maybe you can, maybe people are like, you know, super sociopaths that are just like, oh, I'm out to destroy the country and take everyone's rights, yet also I can just hang and chill and have a great conversation. I just don't, I don't see it. I don't see that being possible. So it's just important for me to have these candidates get out and speak for this long. That's why I think it's such a missed opportunity

that Kamala hasn't gone on. I know, I would have really loved to have seen that. Like that would have been great to listen to. It would have been important to really kind of compare the two, you know, and I'm sure Joe would have been great to listen to. It would have been important to really kind of compare the two, you know? And I'm sure Joe would have been fair, you know? It's a huge missed opportunity and it might cost her. It might cost her enough to where it makes a difference.

I mean, the reach of Trump's episode, we're talking like hundreds of millions of streams. That's crazy. Yeah, never seen anything like it. And I mean, who, you know, how smart was, what was it, his son? He's put this whole scheme together, podcasts or him. And I mean, how genius, like, it's like the biggest thing right now. He couldn't have really done anything better. Yeah. I mean, we'll think about it. You have so much money to, you know, that's where a lot of the money goes.

Obviously towards campaigning, but it's like advertising. It's like running ads on TV. Why? Just go on a bunch of massive podcasts. It's fucking free. Genius. Yeah, genius. Yeah. Give those to him. I think it's changed the game. I think that all politicians from now on at that level will see the value of going on a podcast and that's gonna kind of make podcasting the news in a sense. Yeah.

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And what's great about that is comedians aren't out there just asking whatever boring news style questions. I mean, they're talking shit a lot of times. They're making jokes. they're winding them up, they're like really trying to figure out who this person is. It's kind of, you know, it's like getting interviewed by the Jester, you know, it's a whole different ball game. JD did talk about having, you know,

good time and lightheartedness when Trump proposed he be the VP, I guess he missed the call from Trump and got a text like you need to answer your phone. You just missed an important call. Got back in touch with Trump and Trump kind of made the joke that he was going to pick somebody else because he didn't pick up. Like, that's fun. That's funny.

Imagine how much that would have sucked if he had followed through. He's like, no, I actually I'm not picking you now. You answer your phone instantly. Yeah. When he told the story, like he, he told him he was going to pick him or he's like, well, I should just decide today. No, I'm not going to decide today. And like, you just can't figure he like like he's just all over the place with it.

So he was, yeah, he's got a good sense of humor. I think you could tell that when he was on Rogan, you really kind of could tell he still had at least his wits about him enough to like make a few jokes. You know, and I mean, he's like, I think I said this, he's entertaining and he's not dull. As you know. That's certainly something that no one would ever say

about John. No. Is that he love him or hate him, nobody would ever be like, you know what, that guy was just dull, boring. It's like, nah, nah, nah. Yeah, something that he discussed that really jumped out at me was how he was comparing those signs

that people have in their yards and say like, I believe in this and this, like guilty, I have one of those, we had one of those. And I think for me, it signified a lot of things about what I believe and I do still believe in a lot of the fundamental issues that I think people have when they, that they support when they have those signs, right?

Like it's like kindness and believing in medicine and wanting to believe in doctors. What kind of signs? Those I believe signs, remember? Oh, like the pride one? Yes, you always call it the pride. It's a rainbow. It was a rainbow, but part of it supported those people.

And people in my life that are a part of the LGBTQ community, those issues are so important to me. But he related having those signs to something of being a religion. And it's something that you believe in so strongly that you want to promote it out to to the world that you believe in these things You know like so much and it's that important to you And he related to religion it was confusing to me because I wondered like was he talking about that being in a negative tone?

Because I don't well there's kind of two things going on one. I don't think he's talking about Well, there's kind of two things going on. One, I don't think he's talking about religion in a negative light because he's religious and proud of being religious. Right. Though I think what he's saying is religion should be kind of quote unquote worshipped like that, lack of a better term, because it is a religion. It's designed for you to like put everything into it. Whereas ideologies change and they come and go

and they're made by man, and maybe they shouldn't be followed with the same like passion and vigor. So comparing it like that is kind of just, it's almost like when people say that is what I hear, it's like they're saying it's culty. Yeah. You know? But then really you're also religious, so it doesn't get you off the hook. Yeah.

Like it's kind of a bad argument in that sense, you know? But there is a bit of that. I mean, from somebody that doesn't get massively pulled to either thing, like I could see one of those signs in someone's garden and be like, oh great, you know, good for them. Or I could, depending on my mood, make a joke about it. Be like, oh, we got some of those living next door. Or, you know, it's like you see a religious sign, for example. You know, somebody has like,

I love Jesus on the sign in their garden. You're like, all right, religious people there, give for them, do your thing. Yeah. It's, you know, to me, it kind of looks the same. I mean, they're different categories. One is some sort of like societal ideology that leans into politics. The other one is purely religious. But interestingly enough, religion kind of leans into politics too.

Oftentimes, you can guess somebody's political leaning if you also know a lot about their religion or how devout they are. That is interesting. Yeah, to some degree. I mean, not always, but yeah, I mean, there's definitely similarities between how intensely people follow and almost kind of worship those ideas. And, you know, I, and I guess that's okay too. Like, why not be passionate about what you're into? I mean, as we get close to the election, which is like right now, it's like election fever. Like you turn on the news, it's everything. Like a lot

of people are talking about it. There's all these last minute, you know, conversations being had. I mean, shit, we're doing one right now. This is a last minute conversation about the vice president potential. Yeah. Uh, Trump nominee going on Trump. Um, you get to kind of see it as a religion then it's almost like a religious war without fighting is watching two political sides kind of go at it. Yeah.

You know, you're bad, no, you're bad. Vote for us, no vote for us. And just everyone kind of basically praying and crossing, you know. Yeah, I don't know about you, but it's been quite frustrating for me for a long time. Just like the climate that we're in and just feeling like there's so much tension And I'm ready for some relief to for it to be over for a little bit. I think either way Maybe I'm alone in that come look look of course. I wanted to go a certain way But I also just like come ready for it to be over so come January when it's all been switched around I mean December's always kind of weird

November and December people are just kind of pissed off. A lot of people are sad in December. Yeah. But January, there's a lot of acceptance, you know, and they, you see the, the president's like switch over and you know, I mean, some historic shit is about to happen, right? I mean, either Trump gets back in, and I don't think a president ever ran and then took a break and then ran like, technically, he's like, what the 45th

and 47th president, which is kind of wild. Yeah. Or we get our first female president. Yeah. I mean, which in of itself, I think is pretty cool. Can we then just like calm down a little bit on like women's equal rights and also African-American? It's like you would have had two black presidents by then. And now one is a woman. That's a pretty good sign that things are really in a good spot. No, I would say in a good spot for. Yeah. It feels like a good spot for me also. You don't keep working and you don't keep improving, you know, equal terms for everybody. But that's a good sign.

terms for everybody, but that's a good sign. It's hard to really be a victim about how difficult everything is for you when it's like the president is a woman though, she did it. Yeah, I mean. You can do that too. Yeah. You just got to date Willie Brown or whatever his name is. I don't know. Yeah. You just got to date Willie Brown or whatever his name is.

It's like a, just some bullshit online. Um, yeah. What else is that? Oh, the story he told about, um, big pharma and they're like unethical practices. So obviously you've got another hot topic. Well, yeah, you've got- Another hot topic, for sure. Yeah, you've got RFK now. They had to bring him up. He's joined the campaign.

The votes he was gonna get, I would say the majority of those will go to Trump now. I think some of them still will go back to Harris. There's plenty of people in the RFK camp that will never gonna be on board with Trump. Yeah. But he's coming into... But even like 10% of the vote is a good... Might be enough.

Normally it's very, very close, right? Within like 3% of each other. I mean, they're very close. They're important votes. And it was a big, big deal for Trump for sure to grab him. And, you know, in return, he's going to hopefully put RFK in the position of... Looking for the ultimate online casino experience? Step into the BetMGM Casino app, where every

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I think is a great start. And I don't hear anything about that on the Harris side. To get somebody in that is in good shape, takes care of himself, and wants other people to eat better and have healthier lives, I think is a great start. So you know, the JD was talking about this person that he spoke to, you know, five, six years ago, who just quit a big pharma job. And basically he quit because of the unethical practice. It was some opioid company that had figured out if they give a tiny percentage of some payment

to this like native tribe, it would then make that big pharma company shielded from lawsuits. So it's kind of all tied in. I mean, that is dirty. It's just nasty. Yeah. It's something you wish that you, it's one of those things.

Oh my gosh, I wish I didn't learn about this because it makes me so angry that like that's even possible and that these are the people that, I mean, think about how many- Well, it could, think about it. It could even be worse. Like they could have done it so that then they could shift the blame to the native group. It's like, it just goes to show that these companies that make a shitload of money

that are publicly traded that have to keep making more and more and more to keep their, you know, stockholders happy or whatever. They, they literally get to a point where they're all sociopaths. They're like literally willing to do anything they can get away with within the law. And honestly, they're so big, if they don't like the law, they can just get lobbyists to put pressure on politicians and change it. I mean, eventually change it. It's just nasty. It's just so nasty.

So it's nice to hear that JD doesn't sound like he's in the pocket of Big Pharma. Yeah. Because he doesn't mind, you know, kind of talking some shit about it. What was that you were telling me about people getting Pfizer tattoos or something? Oh, during COVID. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't uncommon.

No people were super proud of getting Pfizer Moderna tattoos. It's wild. I never heard that. Yeah. I can't believe that you haven't heard that. I would have assumed some of your friends would have. Shut the fuck up. Yeah, just Google it. Oh my God. Wild, right?

Yeah, people wackos about supporting. I mean, imagine getting a tattoo for an opioid company. You know what I mean? It's like, it's almost that ridiculous. a tattoo for an opioid company. You know what I mean? It's like, it's almost that ridiculous. Like what are you doing? Oh my gosh. Just sad. People that make terrible choices.

If you're out there and you did get a Pfizer or a Moderna tattoo. We want to hear from you. Yeah, send us an email. And we're, we're sending you a mug and a hat. Just because we feel bad that you did that. This is hilarious. Um, sorry, don't want to be offensive.

I mean, if you got it and you like it, it's on you forever. You get that, I guess. Yeah, and you get a free hat and a cup because we feel bad for you. So be nice. You can look at that and your tattoo and be like, hey, this all worked out nicely. So good. OK. Yeah. JD's perspective on immigration,

you know, as driven by like economic incentives, you know, and what I what I found interesting about that is immigration is such a hot topic. There's some conversation now about, you know, it's a bit of a, I guess you'd call it conspiracy theory, like the Democrats are getting as many people in as they can and moving them to swing states, pushing them through the legal, you know, hoops so that they can vote and, you know, give that 10, 15 years plus them having kids and all the rest of it. It's like, potentially you're making a lot of democratic votes. And since some of these swing states don't need that many people, who knows how quickly they can change the political system.

However, the way JD laid it out is maybe that's a byproduct, a positive byproduct for the Democrats eventually, but the real plan maybe is closer to lobbyists just trying to get a lot of cheap labor in this country. Yeah. And that one makes a bit more sense to me. It does make more sense. Because it's like, that's what happens.

You get a lot of immigration into an area and you get a lot of cheap labor. I mean, it's pretty obvious when you could, we used to live in Montana, it's very far north, it's not as many Hispanic people up there. Labor is a lot more expensive. You go to South Texas, you can build a house for like half the price because you just have

the workers there. So there is an economic incentive to kind of like, you know, move these people into different areas. And, you know, but again, who knows knows who knows what the answer is with it. But yeah, I was kind of relieved that JD didn't lean into that conspiracy theory idea because yeah, it just gets a bit tiring sometimes. Like one conspiracy after another and it's like, all right, where are we now? Yeah, I think that's where I sometimes get lost with a few of the guests on

Rogan is it starts to get like very like they're just like self-pronounced conspiracy theorists that I'm like, okay, like I understand having strong beliefs. I think strong beliefs are really important and I think that was discussed on this podcast quite a bit like, you know, everyone's views are reasonable, everyone's views deserve to be heard, just like, you know, that's why the freedom of speech is so important, be able to say what you want. But like during election times, like it's like half of what everyone says is like, oh, slander, you know, so bad, you know, but everyone should get to say

what they want. And, um, and that, that is exactly it. People, you know, these politicians should be allowed to just come out and voice their parts without just this constant massive scrutiny. I mean, around elections there's going to be, because you're trying to put down the other side. You don't want to be like, oh, whoa, actually, Trump just made a good point or Kamala just made a good point. Howeverala just made a good point.

However, I think it would serve us to do that. And conversations like Joe Rogan's kind of allows that. Yeah, you know, it just is like he's, I think, and I think we would have saw it if Kamala had gone on, it would have opened the door for to see both candidates get to talk a lot with somebody that is not necessarily agreeing with them but is just holding the conversation, asking some questions, adding to things, letting them talk without kind of, you know, gotcha moments. And when it's the same person, it being Rogan each time, whose audience really trusts him,

it's like if he sees some things, he's like, you know what, I really like that. I like that about you. I think that's cool that you did that. It goes a long way. I mean, that could sway. Something I was thinking about today was that, I feel like it's a sad, I feel like I'm in a sad place right now,

and I feel like probably some of the listeners out there are there with me, and it's that I'm feeling like I'm having a hard time. I've had a hard time because I should have conversations with my family sometimes about certain topics. Well, yeah, that's very common. I mean, especially if you have, like I'll go back to England, right?

And for Christmas. And very quickly I can get into it with my family about politics in America. Because in England, America is a big player in the world, so a lot of other countries understand what American politics are up to. In America, you don't often know about what a lot of politics is going on in the rest of the world.

It's just how it goes. It's odd, isn't it? Well, it just doesn't have as much of an impact. You know, England can do a lot of different things and it doesn't, it's not going to impact the U S that much. And, and the U S potentially can impact a lot of other countries. So, you know, I'll get into something, I'll just mention, oh yeah, one of our politicians did this, or I like, I think the Second Amendment is important. Well, in England, it's a very different thought process, they're getting different information. The BBC, you know, kind of spins it in a different way. So we get into it.

Yeah. You know, and I didn't mean to. I'm like, oh God, I don't want to argue about this. No, no, it's fine. I agree with you. It's okay. Yeah. But then I get to see the stark differences and this happens in families too, especially when candidates start to open up or you get to see a new side of them and then all of a sudden you're finding common ground or,

or even something like COVID has done this. I have friends that have told me they're going to vote a certain way, but they won't even tell their wife that because their wife will be so mad at them. But things have changed for them. Who they trust has changed. They didn't think that they would go that way

and they have done it. And I knew them well and I've seen the transition. We've had the conversations as it built to that and it's kind of wild to see because it's fairly rare. Yeah, I think it's interesting, like as time goes on, sometimes how your views evolve and something for me, I think that over time has sort of become more important to me is the questioning at what point in the on the topic of you know gender transitions in children and allowing children to alter their biology and so

on like I think there is a place for that in my heart I'm like yeah you want kids like if there's a little a little girl or little boy that like genuinely like doesn't feel good about themselves and wants to have that, I understand acknowledging those feelings. But I think my view is on definitely getting to that point where you're completely altering their biology and doing something permanent that can affect their development. That's something that over time for me, I've become more and more like opinionated about. And yeah, I think that's the question of at what point are we no longer protecting them by like enabling them to do this, right?

And is it what? Sure. And that is just your thought processing evolving. People do that. People will look into, they could be very pro-life, or pro-choice. I was gonna say pro-abortion, but that sounds awful. But it's like either side could look into their end of it. You could hear maybe awful stories about a woman that

couldn't get the treatment she needed and then, I don't know, died because of what was happening with the baby or vice versa. It could be that somebody learns that what a baby looks like at a certain age when it gets aborted. And it can change their minds. I mean, that's just kind of educating yourself in whatever direction. Like it doesn't always mean that there's the right and wrong answer out there. It's just like as you're exposed to more things, your life changes, you have different priorities, then the party structure may be different for you.

I think that has happened to a lot of people right now. And I think we're gonna see a lot of that reflecting in the voting tomorrow. But who knows, who knows? I wanna end on at the end of the day, I think JD came across as a really kind of down-to-earth dude. He had personal stories, you know, he showed some policy positions.

It was quite balanced. It was relatable. He wasn't weird. He didn't. He wasn't weird. It was much more agreeable than I expected. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't weird. He didn't, he wasn't a weirdo. It was much more agreeable than I expected for me. Yeah, I thought it was a really interesting interview.

You know, three hours again. That's it, yeah. It was a lot to listen to, but. He did good, he hung in there. He did really good. I mean, he hung in there for three hours, fair play to him. But yeah, check him out, see what you think. And do it before you vote.

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BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. All right, let's jump over to Francis and Konstantin, the legends of trigonometry, the podcast. Great guys. I'm so glad they are back on. I love that Rogan has them on so often. You know, he obviously respects them a great deal. They bring really interesting insights and yeah, a couple of nerds that know a lot of

stuff and are quite funny. It was great energy the whole time. They are excellent. Yeah. Really, they opened up the pod with the most important point, and it's one that we've talked about here. Kamala Harris turning down Joe's invite, you know, a big, I think a big mistake or a big loss for the American people.

I mean, that would have been a great opportunity to really get to know her. And we're just not not gonna have that now. You know, it's like even if she ever went on Rogan, let's say she loses, she's not running again or even tries and then goes on. I mean, I just don't know if it'll have the impact is if she had done it like this week. Yeah, I was, yeah, disappointed.

I think, I think a lot of people were disappointed that she didn't end up going on and hopefully, um, it doesn't hurt her or that she doesn't, um, you know, fail to regret it. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you know, cause I think she probably did her best and I, she probably also, she may not have full control over her schedule necessarily. I'm sure there's a lot of people involved.

So yeah, but she could have prioritized it. She's just probably just not that familiar with his show. She understands the reach, but you know, there were, maybe there was some feeling that he might come at her with some questions and in a room alone with Rogan for three hours, I mean, you know, maybe they just didn't trust her to kind of hold it together for that length of time. You know, they're obviously not gonna say that,

but that would be my suspicion. Yeah. That if the conversation wasn't going well at some point, I mean, what choice do they have? They can't just say, hey, I don't want you to air this. He just say, no, I get to air it. These guys that said, she talks in like, see like, there's a thing she can say,

there's many, many words without ever reaching a point. She can just like go on and on and like not make a point. Yeah. And it just reminded me how Trump then goes like, oh, I weave, I like to weave my stories and I'm like, both of them are like kind of difficult to listen to sometimes. Well, look, I think it's fair to say that, you know, you can listen to either candidate and at certain times when they don't want to get to the bottom of

whatever the question is, you just have to like put up with them. Professional bullshitters. Just, you know, circle in the wrong way. Yeah. And then it's just kinda how they do it. Yeah, that's a good way to put it. They love to do that. There were some discussions,

and I wanted to get your insight in this, about the left moving away from free speech ideals, right? So Tim Walz, the vice president pick for the VP pick for Kamala is basically claiming that free speech doesn't apply to like hate speech or misinformation, things like that. So basically he's putting on rules, you know, more rules against free speech. And it's interesting because the left was always like, I would have picked them to be the free speech party.

And now it's almost like just the words free speech, a kind of like getting chucked into the category of people that own American flags. It's like everything is becoming like, oh, you're one of those guys. Like it's a Republican talking point. Free speech should be for everybody. Everybody wants that. It's really important. Yeah. But that's what I think I was saying before is like there's no like during election time, it's like, why is it so sensitive? I don't know why like we both parties like get offended

at what the other party is saying. So it's like, we're gonna have to let go of some of that to us to really lean into freedom of speech. We're all gonna have to be a little bit more accepting of what people say if we wanna all be able to say whatever we wanna say. If that makes sense? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Another part that they brought up, which I thought was interesting, is, you know, there's always that talk from the left about taxing the billionaires, right? More money from billionaires. Whereas, so if you're looking at the Democratic Party, the Republican, one area of their spending is Trump wants to bring in Elon to do like an efficiency budget, you know, or like, um, all the, I guess. So it's going to find out like, where is, where are we hemorrhaging money and you know,

in government and you know, where is there a lot of waste? Like are there too many jobs? So that's scaring the shit out of people that work for the government for sure. On the other side, you've got the Democrats that are like, we want to charge more millionaires and billionaires taxes. So we have more money, right? So it's like collect more on one side and spend less on the other. Right. Right. So they're two different approaches.

Both of them have their merits. Yeah. However, they did something similar to that in England. And again, with a good heart, they created a tax system to where it was going to tax millionaires more. And a shitload of them left. It was almost like 20% of the millionaires just went, we are rich. I can go live in a different country.

Also fish and chips and rain is not worth it. I'm out of here. Yeah. I mean, so it completely backfired and surely, look, Elon already left from California to Texas because of what was happening in COVID and also the taxes and regulations in California just got wacky. A lot of wealthy companies have left California for similar things. And it's like, yeah, if you raise the taxes, they can just move. That doesn't necessarily work. Now,

I'm not saying we shouldn't put pressure on them and make sure people are paying taxes, but create a plan that makes enough sense that people can't just jump away from it. And I just not heard that before. The way that they laid it out that that's what happened in England. I'm like, oh, that totally makes sense. Along the lines of censorship too, this is a, another big one. Obviously they discussed the interview with Trump and how YouTube didn't really remove the Jerry episode, but just kind of like stopped it trending, stopped it coming up on the searches.

It took a while and you know, they're saying that they didn't do this on purpose. It's easy to just assume that they did because they don't like Trump and blah blah blah. There could be other reasons. Joe said that it could be that people just report the video of something they don't like, and then that down regulates how much people can see it. Whatever the reason,

it didn't stop people from seeing it in the way that you would think. So it stopped growing on YouTube. It got to like 37 million videos of views and then slowed down a ton because people couldn't search for it. However, Elon immediately put it on X after Rogan got permission from Spotify and Rogan did it too. And that combined to be something like, I don't know, I think it was like 60 million views just with those two.

I mean, so if there are people out there in the YouTube world trying to kind of squash these videos so that not everybody gets to see them, it doesn't always work. It's gonna backfire. And this is the internet. I mean, if people wanna see information, they're gonna find it.

So did they restart the count on the YouTube or did it just halt? They don't, you don't restart counts. Oh. Yeah, it just slowed down a lot because people couldn't search it. Gotcha. So, you know, if you wrote JRE Trump,

it would just bring up a bunch. Can you find it now? Oh yeah. Yeah, it's the second one. 44 million. So there we go. It's only gone up 7 million since they slowed it down and they slowed it down, I think, on the fourth day, the third or fourth day.

So it really hasn't had that many more views since they did slow it down. So now is searching better. But that was prime growth time. And but here's the thing, a lot of people now have seen it in other places. So this is just, this is just YouTube, that number X has had a ton of views, Spotify, a ton and Apple, iTunes, um, also a ton. and Apple, iTunes, also a ton. So, and I'm sure there's other services out there that have access to play it.

Yeah, if you guys watched it on another platform that we didn't just say, we want to know where you watched it. Let us know. Let us know. Let us know. We're excited. Yeah. We're excited. Yeah, you know, podcasting really is becoming like the primary spot for the political races. And, you know, Francis and Constantine were talking about that as, you know, the major game changer. And I feel like they have the potential

because their show is just getting so big that they have a great opportunity to be at an interview. These people getting into positions. And where do they fall on the charts? What do you mean? Where's their podcast lie on the charts? Oh, size one? I don't know, I don't know, but it's big.

Yeah, it's one of the bigger ones in the world. And again, it's like, you know, almost all political stuff. So that's their niche, you know? I mean, it's not really Joe's. He talks about all kinds of stuff. His is just the biggest. So, you know, it's just going to be a game changer moving forward for any type of election. And I think better for the people too, because, you know, you just, we've never had access like this in the past to really hear out these candidates, other than just their little speeches and their rallies and the debates were always just dumb Little you know, everyone gets five minutes and it's like how much are you learning about anybody realistically?

Yeah well, I think you know, that's something back to notice the the range of guests and the Importance of Joe's podcast. I think it's what's really appealed to me about it. I love the range of guests that end up on it, how the show, these big topics that really should be talked about more, you get on this global stage and you get the opportunity to talk about it.

It makes so many people, puts people on the map. Yeah. I mean, look, look, Joe's doing good things and Joe's political influence shows that the public wants, you know, unfiltered candidate interactions, potentially massively impacting elections. And that's the key is unfiltered. Right. You know, just who are you? What are you up to? Yeah. What's going on? Can you hold the conversation?

Are you a weirdo? Like, can we trust you with the nuclear codes? Like, give me an idea of what we've got in front of us. Anyway, that's it for this week. Yeah, big day. If you haven't got out and vote, then get out and vote. Right? That's it for this week. Yeah, big day. If you haven't got out and vote, then get out and vote, right? If you just sat around and you're just like, I can't be bothered or so-and-so is going to win or I'm not that excited.

I say get up, be a part of this time, this historic moment, and place your bet, and see what happens. It's worth it. And we will be back next week. With a new president. With a new president. I mean, I assume, unless, you know, it's one of those dragged out court things,

or they just can't count the votes, or whatever it is. I think we'll know. But I think we know. How are you feeling? And we go from there. And yeah, let's see. Let's see how pumped we are about it. Here we go. All right, thanks guys.

Later. Bye. Bye. Bye.