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Episode Date: November 28, 2024

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Enjoy the show. So it's 3.4%. So this is it. So give me some volume here. I've had a lot of conversations with a lot of people that do this. I think the number is way under 1%. So to fact check, the World Health Organization says the coronavirus death rate is 3.4%. President Trump lies that the World Health Organization is wrong. The number is 3.4 percent 3.4 percent is what it's being reported around my Boy sanjay

The death rate the percentage is 3.4 percent and no hunts from the president can change that trumper lied about the most recent world health Organization estimate that the global death rate of coronavirus is 3.4 percent Jesus the 3.4 percent death rate was wrong and who data later updated it to a fraction of one percent Let's go back into history Jesus. under 1% false information spreading disinformation misinformation and dangerous disinformation. If you're president of the United States, you have the world's greatest scientists at your disposal. You listen to them. Leading scientists, including Dr. Fauci wrote in the New England Journal of Medicine that the death rate could be

considerably less than 1% way under 1%. Why see this is yeah. So that is a clip from the Jimmy Corsetti Dan Richards episode with Rogan. And just talking about how the death rate for COVID was under 1%. People knew it at the beginning, other scientists didn't believe that that was the number or wanted to, I guess, you know, I hate to say scare people. I'd like to think, you know, most people were doing their best. But anyway, joined this week by a good buddy of mine, Ian. And what's up? Thanks for being here. Happy to be on.

You know, do you remember this? Happy Thanksgiving. Yeah, Happy Thanksgiving. Yeah, Thanksgiving episode. Do you remember this like point in time? Obviously you remember being in COVID, but the specifics that I think people are getting amnesia for now because they don't want to

admit that they took a particular side on this. And yeah, yeah. And, and I don't remember this exactly. Um, you know, it was, there was, I think we were all pretty much in a sea of info at that point. Yeah. But you know, there's definitely like a very foggy and very emotionally charged, but I definitely, you know, you and I talked about this the other day, there's sort of this like

low grade gas lighting that seems to happen kind of nonstop. It's like, well, no, no, no, I didn't. I did turn out the light. I told you I did. You know, I, we didn't say 3%. And then, you know, it's so it's, it doesn't surprise me. It doesn't feel that new. And you know, that's news is in the business

of selling a story. And I think that's their first priority and their second priority is informing you. Right. Or third or fourth. Yeah, yeah, it's definitely tricky. I mean, you know, what makes it so hard is that the, it just goes to show that you can still define someone as a liar who was telling the truth. I guess you can perceive it is that was an accidental truth that he nailed the

actual impact of this thing but if we had followed his recommendation through we would have changed so many of the things like So much more of the shutdown wouldn't have guidelines taking place. Yeah You know, there would have been so much more freedom for a lot of people our society could have an economy would have been so much more freedom for a lot of people. Our society could have, an economy would have continued in a much stronger way. And they wouldn't be that fear mongering.

I mean, people were scared and it's like, is it okay to scare people, you know, just in case it's that bad? Or do we have a responsibility to people's mental health? I don't think the government is allowed to or should be trying to scare us ever. Yeah, you know that's a funny part. That's what was that? I said warn us maybe. Yeah sure that's kind of a funny part of COVID that I sort of just forget. Like for a while, the people who pushed back against the guidelines, it was sort of a big deal because you're like, well, what about grandma?

Because that's what you heard all the time. It's like, well, if you scratch your balls in public, your grandma's gonna die from COVID. And if you do anything, if you step outside, if you go to the grocery store and you take your mask off to unlock your phone, like so and so's grandma is going to die. And, uh, and I, so for a while it was a big deal. Like whoever was like, screw these guidelines, screw what the media is telling us. It was easy to make them look like selfish assholes because that's what

people made me feel like immediately when I was like, Hey guys, I don't think standing outside the grocery store. It's going to kill anyone for us to have to wait to go like in LA for a while. You could only have one person go down the aisle at a time. Yeah. And I'm just like, already wearing masks and that. And I'm like, it just, maybe for some people, I don't think elderly people should be in there masked up, going down the aisles. But if you're young and healthy, I'm like, I think we can do it.

Yeah. It's funny. Like COVID feels like a decade ago, right? Yeah. Um, but it's, it's interesting that both of these podcasts today, you know, Brolin and Corsetti and Richards, like they, they both were taught COVID came up like with Brolin, you know, uh, Joe was talking about why he moved to Austin and he's like, we came out there and we saw people listening to Leonard Skinner, jumping off their boats, having fun in the sun. And we had just come from LA where it felt like,

you know, it felt like a sci-fi movie, you know? 405 is totally empty at middle of the day. And it's just a weird world. Parallel universes. I parallel universes. I once drove for, so two things happened that was really strange in California is the air in about four days felt so different. It was like crisp and it's because the LA area is full of brake dust. Like, so a lot of people don't have AC and maybe

their apartments there just because, you know, unless you're in the valley, I mean, if you're close to like Venice or Santa Monica, there's, there's like decent breeze that stays around 72 degrees. Like you can deal with it, have the window open. It's nice. But there's always this black like dust that builds up. It's brake. No kidding kidding. Brake dust is the biggest. Brake dust, entire. Polluting.

Wow. From cars. And that stuff's nasty. Oh, it's so bad. That stuff's nasty. Heavy metals and all kinds of toxic shit. Yes. So in like four days, no one's on the roads.

Obviously it went away and it was noticeably different. People randomly would just be like, hey dude, are you noticing how good it smells? And I was like, I was noticeably different. People randomly would just be like, Hey dude, are you noticing how good it smells? And I was like, I was just saying that before. It was like everyone was seeing it. Then I had to drive to Hollywood for something. I can't remember what, but it was during the time when they were like, don't go anywhere. You're not allowed for any reason. But I was meeting a friend and I didn't give a shit. So I was just like, they, Hey, they also agreed. They were like, it's fine.

You can come over. Whoa, it was consensual. Yeah, exactly. So I drove there in 10 minutes from Santa Monica to Hollywood. It's like, dude, you could only do that in a helicopter most of the time. Yeah.

Like it was so weird. I had a friend, I was up in Montana. So a lot of this was like, yeah, it was like sort of secondhand because we were shut down for like two weeks and then everybody's like, ah, and I was working in a construction business at the time. So it was like same thing.

People would come in, they'd be like, yeah, look, I don't have my mask on either. And you're like, all right, cool, man, whatever you want to do. Yeah, yeah, tough. But I had a buddy FaceTime me at like three in the afternoon while driving on the four oh five. Smart idea, right? Yeah. But he showed me the only car, the only car on the road. Yeah. And it was like, it was like a post apocalyptic, you know, but it's not bad, I guess one perk. Yeah, it's, it's so true though. I didn't

mean that. And listen, there were perks out of it, right? If you, there's a lot more, I mean, you know, there's a lot more working from home options now that people didn't have before. I think that's a net plus for societies. I think it's a net plus for families, you know, communities, those sorts of things. You know, just, just sorts of things. Yeah. You know, just even going into telehealth, it's like, I think that-

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We're talking pretty conservative. That's like bonnets and dresses, man. We're talking pretty conservative. True. So yeah, it changed that. It changed, I think it cleaned people's budgets a little bit because those people that couldn't work actually got the most consistent paycheck they'd ever had before.

And they were like, oh shit, we gotta live within these means, because this is all I got. And then they were actually like kind of doing a bit of a better job with budgeting and, and at least this is true for England. I don't know if it's the same for the States, but like, I thought if you close the pubs in England, the whole country is going to riot. Turns out British people just do whatever they're told and they didn't go to the pubs because they couldn't and they didn't complain. When the pubs opened again and when COVID finished, they got so used to just, I guess, drinking from home,

they weren't going back out. And the pub was like a staple of British society for a thousand years. That's sad. And so many have closed because they're like, you know what? Well, think about it. It for a thousand years. That's sad. And so many have closed because they're like, you know what? Well think about it. It's a public place. So really you're paying this huge premium on alcohol.

You know, it's what 10 times more expensive to buy it at a bar than a grocery store. It's not cheap. Yeah, it's not cheap. So you know, a white claw could be five bucks, right? And you can get what 12 of those for 10 at the store. So you're basically paying a premium for the social aspect of it. Well, once you found a solution for the social aspect,

which they had to do during COVID, then there's no longer any value in that service. Yeah. An apparent solution. Cause you know, what does that really look like? More screen time, more, you know, one sided videos, just more like consuming, socializing rather than participating in it. Tweeting into the void. Yeah, cause because trust me,

somebody is reading your tweet. Everybody wants to know what you think. Just your aunt. Your one supportive aunt is like, I keep up with you. Like, thanks. But you know, this is what I like about Jimmy Corsetti and it's like he's obviously an alternative thinker, right? That's how you kind of get into like, dare I say, like ancient alien style conversations. So, you know, he's,

he's also definitely going to be skeptical of what was COVID like many people. That's why it wasn't a surprise that Joe was, you know, and, and it kind of leads in. Because he's talking to so many different people. surprised that Joe was, you know, and, and it kind of leads in. Because he's talking to so many different people. Yeah. You just need, I think it's someone that's just not afraid to ask questions about, you know, it's like, it takes some confidence to say, wait a minute, how the fuck did they build those pyramids? I mean, most people have been taught in school, oh, they just

had slaves, they rolled them along the ground with logs and then they build the pyramids. Totally. So here's what I think is like the overarching social phenomena that's going on right now. Okay. That it happened in COVID, it's happening with like ancient aliens with, you know, with Graham Hancock's TV show. Oh, yeah. And all the pushback from it. Um, and, and even like to a degree, like Trump getting reelected in spite of

everyone saying, Hey, like this shouldn't happen. He's a terrible guy. All the experts, right? Yeah. Is that we've got this massive, I feel like we're getting to a tipping point where it's like thinkers with authority, getting pushback from thinkers without authority. And winning. And winning. And that's really pissing them off. Oh yeah. Yeah.

Because, okay, so help me out. Corsetti is the younger guy. Who's the older guy? Okay. So like both of those guys, Corsetti and Richards, they're both guys and Richards, especially. I feel like he's got a fair amount of integrity. Like he's not, he doesn't seem like he's just in it to say kind of the, to be honest, like as an aside, I feel like Corsetti is a little bit like, Oh, I want to be Graham Hancock. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But you know you know what you got to start out somewhere and he's young

It's true and he's got a lot of he kept calling Joe brother a lot. I was like, all right Slow down Yeah, it didn't give me Hulk Hogan vibes it gave me more like like We're wearing those same white tunic vibes That kind of brother but is better, yeah. Yeah, anyways, yeah, but you've got this whole thing. Like, Dan Richards, he's trying to talk to the guy who does the ice core samples, and he's like,

hey, I've got some honest questions. Like, wouldn't the lead tick up if people are doing metallurgy? And the guy's like, yeah, yeah, I guess it would. And then he like backed, he way backed off once after the podcast or something. Anyways, you've got what you've got going on is like people who are have questions. Yeah. And we've got especially with the archaeology.

And I'm sure there's a lot of stuff that Graham Hancock says that's like Alright, dude, like nobody else thinks this is actually a giant temple Like I know it's a cool theory But like, you know, it might just be a bunch of rocks stacked up on the exactly and in the question There is it's not all about these guys that we're starting to listen to being correct. It's about them asking questions and not talking down to us. And I think that's the problem with this establishment that you were just discussing. It's like the PhDs and the medical people and the fucking politicians, they've just got to this point where they're like, we're the smart ones.

We have the answers. We'll tell you how it is. And all of a sudden we're like, Hey, our lives are kind of shit. So maybe you're not good. Maybe we don't need to listen to you and we're going to do something else. Right. And we're finding our own people. And then things like podcasts are exploding, which, which really is the wild card in the middle here,

because I think it's given a ginormous voice to so many people that were either crushed or just didn't have a voice before. Yeah. And it's so interesting because right. Like, uh, I saw some joke about how Ellen Ellen DeGeneres was like an apex predator of like pop fame and like, you know, ten years ago, 20 years ago, if like the Hawk to a girl showed up, she'd get like a 30 second spot on Ellen DeGeneres and never be seen again. Yeah. And but now she's got a podcast and she's got all this and she's got all that.

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Oh dude, I am in. What do I, where do I send my money? We got to buy at least one in. What do I, where do I send my money? We got hit. What? At least one coin. What if it goes up? What if that's the next doge? That's like, it's a joke and it imagine if it becomes stronger than Bitcoin and everyone's like, oh my, I don't even know what to do now. Yeah, just. Yeah, just. But it'll happen. Something, you know, some crazy crap like that's going to happen.

But this is what happens when you rock the boat like this, you know? And it's like, again, if we keep getting told what, like, how long does the national reserve need to keep making trillions of debt every year? Not that they do it. Our government does it. The Federal Reserve. But yeah, the Federal Reserve isn't, is they're doing their own dodgy shit. How long is it before they mess with us so much

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And they're like, sweet, it's a three hour boat ride over there and it's a hundred feet down underwater and nobody's ever gonna get it, but now cheers. No shit. And it's like, we figure out a way. Did they have some sort of receipt for it? I think it was just an agreement.

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Just keep wiping out. Yeah, it's, it's fascinating. And I mean, it does highlight totally kind of the ridiculousness of like even what, you know, money is or what that type of value that is. But that's the thing that's going on. It's like trust, being an expert, used to have so much weight and power. And I think people are tired of that. Yeah, I mean, we want to see people working really hard.

And we also want information to be given to us in a very entertaining way. I mean, listen, Neil deGrasse Tyson isn't just like a smart guy, you know, or Carl Sagan. He was very good at explaining information. It was inspiring. They were actually like covert entertainers. Right, of course.

They were also very smart. Now Neil deGrasse Tyson's gone a bit wacky recently, but Carl Sagan, legend. All right. There's no denying that. guy would could inspire anybody. And that's a part of it. So, you know, you take Corsetti and it's like, um, he's got a lot of energy. He's putting a ton of time into making these videos and like analyzing this stuff. Now, is he doing it from like an archaeologist or an

engineer's point of view? No, but he's willing to talk to them, you know? Yeah. And you can kind of just see the weight of that. I mean, look at it from the standpoint of a good documentary. You don't always need to know that the person that made the documentary is a specialist in the thing

he's discussing. You just need- They to just bringing you the information you just need it to be clear logical and and like Seemingly well researched right they look at a narrative Right. Have you looked at corset? He's stuff. I haven't I've watched some of his videos when he was on last time because I knew Joe was a fan of his so I watched some little bit and he has some cool stuff where he's like describing the weights of these stones and I can't remember if they were ones in Greece or if they were in Egypt but either way it's like, you know, hundred and fifty

Like whatever tons like it's right they're insane amounts of water And you're saying like 300 tons or something or 900 tons and the biggest we've ever moved is Yeah, I think 900 some insane amount but it you know, and here's the thing right? It's like It's one of those things that we just step back on, bewildered. Yet archeologists will be like, oh, well, you know, they did it with ropes and it took a long time and it's just blah, blah, blah.

And it's like, yeah, but how, like, you do it then. Do it. Right. With all of the technology. And it would be better, like a better, yeah, totally. And I feel like, you know, at a certain level corset. He sort of has an easy job, right? because he has to look at something from Prehistory and say well actually we don't know how to explain this. Yeah

which is like a good thing to point out and a very interesting thing to point out and also It's more impressive if we do like archaeology is not full of answers. They're like, why the fuck did they bury King Tut like this? I don't know. We probably never will, you know? And so it's like, you know, that's if he wants to be somebody with a lot of integrity, that's his slippery slope that he has to watch out for. It's like, you're going to be just because they can't explain it doesn't mean you can. It doesn't mean like it doesn't mean they're being disingenuous, right? Right. But like you said, it's like it goes back to that thing you said earlier where it's like

if the experts talk down to us with disdain and are like, oh, like what you want to know that answer? Like that's such a dumb answer. It's such a dumb question. People are going to listen to Corsetti and not to the archaeologists. Right, and they talked about that at the beginning, the Graham Hancock conversation when they brought on Flint Dibble,

which still is one of the funniest names I've ever heard. But basically, you know, it debunked a lot of what he was saying. And also that it was disingenuous. And I've heard Dibble's little rebuttal on other podcasts, because obviously he's not come back on Joe, but he like wanted to explain that, Oh, you know, they had Graham back on and they just kind of hammered me. And of course I couldn't say anything.

And I'm just like, dude, you are not doing yourself any favors. Like the best thing we can do here is realize, listen, Graham Hancock has some fucking legitimacy. If anything, he's getting a new generation of people interested in archeology, which until they make more Indiana Jones movies, I don't know what's getting kids into that shit. Yeah. It's like, you know, your new...

It's not gonna be the museum. Some professor's new book isn't gonna do it. But Graham Hancock might be inspiring a new generation. So instead of just sitting there demonizing what that is. How about find some common ground, work together, show up on his show, and just respect the fact that people are digging this information. They're loving it. Yeah.

Well, and Joe gave a great example of this in about like when he started to sort of get, I don't know what it was, but he was saying, he talked about his high school science teacher podcast. And you know, his high school science teachers like, here's why the Great Lakes are so filthy. I learned this 20 years ago in college and I still think I'm cool because I know it. And Joe's like, oh, no way. Do you hear about this new documentary and how they're cleaning it up a lot?

And the guy like freaks out, you know, he's like, dang it, I am no longer the cool 60 year old in front of a bunch of 15 year olds who are like barely interested in me. Well, it's sad. It's sad. Yeah, I couldn't take a second to be like, wow, that is new information. I'd love to watch that. Hey, I'll tell you what, maybe we get a hold of that. Like that would be so much more empowering.

I think Joe didn't feel very empowered there. Oh, not at all. Yeah. Like as a teacher, that's a horrible. Yeah. It's like such a bad move for a teacher. It's like, like for a teacher to be threatened by not being an expert is like, all right. So you're there to be the best dude. This is a room full of 15 year old kids to be the best. The smartest teachers I ever knew. And I was lucky enough to go to some schools that had some really good

chemistry teachers, like very, very smart people that worked on teams that won Nobel prizes, you know, like cool. I forget you're this chemistry nerd. You're like kind of a boy genius. I just like chemistry. So it's got nothing to do with my meth lab. Promise. That's separate. I believe you. That's just called a side hustle. That's the worst managed lab I've ever seen. It's not good. So what was incredible about this person and people similar was, and because I knew they were like really the smartest professors that I'd worked with in any discipline, because they really

stood out, they would often say either, I don't know, or like be open to a new suggestion of things. Or just say that's a great question. You're right. Like that's all you have to say. Yeah. That's a great question. And then I started to draw the gap because the dumber ones I knew, the teachers that are like clearly annoying and dumb and you're like, how did you get this job?

They would never talk like that. They always had the answer for some reason. They always had some hypothesis or if they didn't, they would just tell you to shut up. The smartest guys didn't do that. The smartest guys seemed to be and gals seem to be really open to being like, you know, I don't know. I don't know why that is. I don't know how we got there. It's kind of a weird thing that like we get people who like aren't, I would, I'd say it's probably safe to say somebody who feels threatened by a question either isn't as smart or doesn't know as much or doesn't enjoy understanding the thing. Like there's some, I don't know, maybe that's a bit of a stretch.

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with iGaming Ontario. Someone new in your life. Like for example, like, you you know you're a therapist right so if you meet another one and you're like I want to find out one how smart you are and two where your ego is at all you'd have to do is ask them a question that literally is too complicated really for anyone to answer in the realm of therapy. And then see how they take it. If they've just met you, they might want to impress you. They might want to have answers.

So you might get a lot of fucking, you know, waffling on. Lap and lips. Yeah, that like sounds good, you know, and you'll be able to pick it apart a little bit, ask some questions as they go. But then you'll be like, oh I see where your ego is at like you have to like you're trying to impress me right now This is very important to you to be right and to just look more knowledgeable instead of being like Whoa, I don't know. That's crazy Yeah, what do you think like throw it it back to you and then you're like,

oh, I think I like this guy. Yeah, that's true. The absolute best teachers I've ever had. It's like, they didn't tell you a whole lot. They asked a lot, you know? I'm curious, speaking of asking, how many of you, I wonder if your listeners are ever like, boy, that guy has a lot of therapists in his life.

Like, I wonder what's wrong with him. A family of tons of- How do you know so many therapists? He has tons of mental illness in my family. That's all, that's all it is. I just burn through them. Yeah, I just gotta circle them. Every single one of them actually just works for you

and you need 15 therapists to code. Yeah. Yeah. That's really where I spend most of my money. Just on that. And then listening to Rogan and doing reviews. It's a strange life. I like it. Yeah. It's a strange, strange life, but I feel like I'm getting somewhere. I feel like I'm working into it. I see the change. Did anything stand out whether it was from like Corsettis like research into Finding the lost city of Atlantis or like the potential global climate

Destruction of the younger dry us Yeah Well, yeah, I mean all all of it's interesting, right? I went down this, so we've got a newborn at home. So there was a lot of like holding a baby while it sleeps and don't do anything else. So I was watching this guy, North02 YouTube channel, awesome stuff, super interesting.

It's all prehistory. Nice. But he just talks about like, you know, settled science. So he's not gonna be like, well, maybe, you know, cavemen were actually using, you know, space lasers and stuff like that. He's like, it's like, it's a history lesson. But, you know, he kind of,

he kind of dished on Hancock very subtly a couple of times, you know, like, well, you know, he's doing this, he's doing that. Um, and this is the feeling I get so much, you know, especially because we're kind of in this like battle of experts. You talk to Corsetti, he's going to lay out his case. It's going to be super interesting. You're going to be like, damn, this guy's onto something. Yeah, what the hell? Archaeology. Like, where are you? Like,

give me some answers. And then you go talk to an archaeologist. They're gonna be like, no, no, no, no. He's an idiot. Here's why he's an idiot. None of the things he's bringing up have any merit. And you're just like, all right, and you could go back and forth between the two forever. Yeah, probably. Right. And they will never, neither of them is going to concede like, yeah, maybe I did stretch that a little bit or like, yeah, no, actually this is a major hole and we're completely baffled. We have no explanation. That's what stuck out the most. It's like, I've kind of been right. Like I've listened to Graham

Hancock on Joe Rogan, you know, like for years, right? Like he's been on a lot. Oh yeah. Over the, you know, in the grand scheme of things. He was like one of the first like legitimate guests that went on the wasn't a standup comedian. And I think, I think that like he, Graham plays a role. This is why Rogan loves him so much. Like I think he plays a role. This is why Rogan loves him so much. I think he plays a role in allowing the... He's like a court jester, but in a good way almost. 100%.

I mean, that's like any comedian in a sense too, as well. And I think Rogan connects with Graham in that sense because Graham will go outside the lines. Talk about thinking outside the box. Like he doesn't even know where the box is. Like some of his early work was just like, you know, I don't care if people mock me for this, but he was a legitimate enough writer and thinker

that all of a sudden it added this new element to Rogan's podcast. And he started to get all these different non-comedian guests on. And it led into this thing where eventually he's fucking interviewing Donald Trump and Trump crushes it. That's crazy. That is so interesting that this is sort of where it all began. I think, I think there's, there's an argument for that for sure. Yeah, totally.

Well, and it's like kind of a gateway drug for questioning authority, I guess. Mm-hmm. You know? Because you're like, yeah, why are the pyramids so big? Yeah, why are those rocks so massive? Oh, just because slaves, yeah, slaves. Yeah, slaves.

But like, you're not interested? Like, aren't you interested? Yeah. Also, are we that sure that slaves were this good at building shit? Like the one thing that they said that really stood out is like so the pyramid is like a the base of it is a perfect Square, you know, you always think of pyramids as triangles but when you like see the whole thing, the bottom of it square. So the whole length of it, which is, I can't remember if they said 700 feet or meters, but it's long, right? It's a big ass fricking one side, one side, one side, one side. Oh, massive. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't get off by two inches. Yeah. And you can't even do that with like a string, which is like how

they use for like even building today. Like you ever see people laying bricks or building a wall, they put like the string up and you just stay right. You can't do it with something that long. It just won't work. Exactly. The sag and the human, whatever. So he was like, they could have used some sort of mirror technology where it's like, it focuses some light and you can kind of build like a beam, you know, and they, they have things like that today when you're leveling stuff at your house, you can have like a laser that like tells you if it's straight, but it just like, there's so many elements of it that are just like, we're literally having to take it for granted in order for it to fit inside the narrative of archaeologists.

Doesn't it kind of seem like a lost opportunity for archaeologists? Yeah, but it will make them seem like they don't have the answers. And again, they need the answers to feel legitimate. If they're like, we don't know how exactly, if they, if they, like for them to not be confident enough to say realistically, we have no idea how they built these things. However, we're still the experts. Can you believe that we are, they're too afraid to say it. Oh, like gross.

Just say like, isn't this amazing? Like, yeah, that's why we, that's why we dedicate our entire life to looking at a bunch of old piles of stones. Yeah. But we're not sure. Yeah, we've got some idea, but not a lot. Yeah. And we're not a lot. Yeah.

And we're missing a ton. Well, it's just opportunity. It is massively. And what it is, is if you think about it in terms of like an investigation, right. Even down to like the nine 11 committee invest. It's like, if you're not asking the right questions and you're trying to make ridiculous assumptions, just to fill in these gaps, you're never asking the right questions, and you're trying to make ridiculous assumptions just to fill in these gaps,

you're never gonna get to the truth. You're never gonna get to the answer. And I feel like that's what archeologists are doing in some areas. They have a lot of good things that they're bringing to the table, don't get me wrong. But I think that it's a missed opportunity in the very ancient type of things.

But anyway, let's wrap up with Corsetti. I thought these guys were great, you know, and Richards was awesome. He was a nice addition to it. I like to have him on. And yeah, I'm really hoping that there's going to be a breakthrough soon, right? Someone finds something and then they're just like, holy shit, we've been here a million years and everything's changed. And yeah, just something like I feel like, I feel like we're getting close.

Yeah. When it, when it comes, I'm, I'm, I'll be first in line to know more. Yeah. We have you right back on the show then. Uh, next up we got Josh Brolin. Obviously we know him from No Country for Old Men. Just so many great characters. Thanos from the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

I mean, technically the ultimate bad guy in a sense. Um, you know, Sicario, I mean, just so many great movies. I mean, the dude's awesome. Also don't forget the Goonies. He was the older brother, the older brother in the Goonies. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. There you go.

Yeah. Do you remember the older brother in the Goonies? Of course not. No, I don't. It's been like 15 years since I've seen that. Yeah, do you remember the older brother and the cheese goonies? Of course not. No, I don't it's been like 15 years since I've seen that yeah, no worries. He was the one that was like had the cute girlfriend Okay, so his little brother tried to make out with him and she was just like, huh, you have braces and then that's how they Dude, come on. If you were in the goonies your legend. Oh man, I Mean, he's a cool guy.

It's a, I think we chatted about this where it's like, you know, there's so many famous, rich, powerful people in the U.S. have relatively normal upbringings, which is kind of interesting, you know, because you like from the outside looking in, anybody famous is like a different, they've got to live some totally different life. They've got, they're probably unrelatable. They're probably totally out of touch. Um, but man, what a cool dude. Everything. The more I heard Josh Brolin talk, I'm just like, yeah, man, I wish I would love to have a barbecue at

your house or like hang out with you for the afternoon. I bet you've got great stories, you know, just a genuinely interesting guy. Yeah. And the other thing that I thought listening to the two of them talk, talk is like, oh fuck, I got to read more. They both read a lot. Yeah. Josh and the two of them, they read. I think Rogan's more of a book on tape guy,

but he gets through them, which still counts. And Josh definitely, I mean, there was like a depth to him that was really fascinating. And you know, also kind of not surprising, like just from seeing him in roles, I'm like, Oh, that guy is a thinker. You know, it's like when I found out that Keanu Reeves is very much that way, like a beautiful person and a deep thinker and just kind and hearted. It's like, how do you get that from watching Speed

and The Matrix and these other movies? But I just had a feeling that was that guy. There's just, there's like a depth to the characters that they play in, which is kind of ironic with Keanu because often people were like, oh, he's a terrible actor and goofball, but I always felt like there was more there. Oh, I feel like he sells it

You know, he's gonna go like Yeah Yeah, I mean Neo's a great character dude. There's like you feel like if you hey if you watch that recently I do the old ones and the first one go back and watch the first one, dude The first one go back and watch the first one dude Not only does it hold up and not that many movies from that long ago think that's 25 years old now thing Yeah, 99. I think it was made It doesn't just hold up that well it it's so much Spooky and now because of like after COVID after AI is coming up, you know,

people are like not living in virtual reality, but like we get, we're getting that technology coming and you just like, well, have you seen that thing circulating where they're like, okay, when the matrix came out and the machine said 1999 was the peak of human civilization, I was like, yeah, come on, 2020 is gonna be lit. And now that I'm in 2024, I'm like, you know what? 99 might've been our high point. 100%, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Like seriously, the 90s was dope. 9-11 was a turning point for us. Do you know what's actually interesting and a very strange coincidence? When they look at his passport So you remember when agent Smith is interviewing Neo? His passport is dated 9-eleven Isn't it 9-eleven 2001? Yeah, then yeah, that's what it's like. It's like that specific Obviously when you hear things like that that what do you think you think it coincidence just a coincidence

however because I also like to believe in like just yeah yeah a little bit of Twilight Zone I do like to just play with the idea of like, Ooh, simulation and, and who knows what else? I mean, because if it was, if it was 9 11 2001, and it was a passport shot from any other movie. I mean, I think Jason Bourne, for example, he always had like 14 passports and he's like going through different, you know, he's trying to run away from Interpol or whatever.

So he's like, here's my new passport. It's like, well, who cares that it is that? I mean, he's like a spy guy and these different things, but like, is that that connected? The fact that the matrix is itself and Neo is the one that like does this whole thing to kind of let everybody know that this facade that we're in is just yeah it's it's all fake it's like it just kind of stands out it's fun man it's fun stuff I love it when they find

that shit yeah it's kind of uncanny you know in, in a way. And yeah, the matrix, man, that's become right. Red would like the red pill, such a, yeah, blue pill. Red pill. It's about into our cultural. Yeah. Like one of our stories at this point, that's for sure. Definitely. And, you know, this is what's great about these types of actors is they can

they can take you on journeys that, you on journeys that no one else can. And this is why it's really interesting when you get a show like True Detectives, right? So you're bringing Matthew McConaughey and Woody Harrelson, legendary, old school, A-list celebrity movie stars go into a TV series, and then all of a sudden we're like, holy shit, this is so next level.

Because even great TV stars are good actors, but they don't have that, there's a reason A-list movie stars got picked. And it's because they have something else. They're just able to bring you stories that no one else can do. Yeah well that's something I always took for granted growing up is that movies feel real. Yeah. Right? Well you want them to. The older you want them to and I think the older you get and the more you can sort of really pay attention to a character,

the more these A-list actors, like a really good actor who really takes it to the next level, like they keep that alive. Because you're like whoever you're playing on stage is real right now or on the screen. Like this character is a real person. Yeah. Even though they never existed, you made them up. Somebody wrote them. Do they almost seem more real sometimes in movies. Yet if you and I made a short film, you know, just for fun, no one would believe what we're doing. No, nobody,

nobody would be immersed. All that they would look at. Somebody would be like snickering behind the be immersed. All that they would look at somebody would be like snickering behind the camera too. So that wouldn't help. They just like, that would not help. All they'd be reminded of is these two people can't read lines very well. Yes. So to say like, wow, they suck. You think to go from that to this thing where you're like emotions that you haven't felt for weeks of being pulled out of your body. Yeah.

And, and you're hoping and praying and believing and willing and afraid and happy and sad and all these things over two hours sat in the dark watching a movie. It's like, yeah, it's kind of magical. Oh, for sure. And maybe just to bring it all full circle, like maybe that's where sort of establishment thinkers, establishment news, establishment, everyone has just really dropped the ball.

Like all you had to do was be convincing, like keep us entertained. And we would have kept on watching. We would have drank that Kool-Aid for a million years Every last job, you know, but it's like the moment the moment you're like, okay, you're staring at this camera. You're You're goofing your lines. Like the moment the magic is gone like you had one job right like either actually be and and a thinker with integrity who is passionate down to their core about the mystery of our past.

Like be that and then you don't have to fake it or at least fake it well. Right. Because if you can't do one of the two, people are going to lose interest and they're going to listen to Graham Hancock. They're going to listen to. Corsetti, they're going to listen to else. Well either believes it or sounds like they this is interesting You bring that up because I received some emails like it's not uncommon for listeners to email me about Episodes as they come out and be like, oh, you've got to talk about this or this is really interesting

The Josh brought up all these different things right and you know, it's hard to go through them all because often it's quite a few. And you know, some of them are not that massively coherent, no offense to people listening, but it's sometimes, sometimes difficult to follow, like where your point is, um, though I appreciate the emails- You should do a reading emails on session. I could do a little bit of that. If they, I would want the people's permission, I think, before I do it. Or maybe I won't give their names out.

But one thing, a pattern that I was seeing about Brolin is one, not afraid to come on, even though he's a Hollywood guy, after Rogan endorsed Trump and you know his show is being seen as more right wing and you know so they're brave he's just like fuck it I do my thing. Also just how he talks about like overcoming challenges, like kind of being his addiction, for example, which we really should talk about.

It's like he had that, like, he's a badass and he's tough, clearly, but he's also like vulnerable in the right ways. Like he was, he definitely wasn't on there trying to impress Rogan. He was just being him and it just happens to be impressive. Totally and that's what I loved about him just like right from the start you're listening to him talk. Looking for the ultimate online casino experience? Step into the BetMGM Casino app where every deal, spin and goal brings Las Vegas

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Oh my gosh. Yeah. You know, and he talks about everything he says. It's not like this is a carefully curated story. You're like, you are just being open with me. He's like, yeah, you know, I got so stressed about buying, moving back to my hometown that my face went numb on one side. Right.

You know, and you're like, you didn't think about telling this story before you came on. You're just talking. Yeah. You're being like, yeah, I don't know. Is it, he's a cool dude. Well, but I always love that about people that are like, this is my experience. You know, it's like, Hey, yesterday I crap my pants. That's my experience. Is this a problem? Whereas plenty of people are like, I never did that. I never did this wrong. I never did these things.

None of that is, you know, it's just like this denial because they have, you know, you have to kind of orchestrate a fake image of yourself and then you stand behind it, just showing that and not yourself and you're like, oh, I got to remember what it looks like. Oh, it's really tall and it's strong and it's got a lot of makeup on. It's very pretty and it's got, you know, never says this thing. Exactly. Yeah. And it's like, so you're depressed.

You're depressed right now. Just be depressed. It's okay. Right. Interesting. And what's worse? Like you're a therapist. What's worse than someone being depressed and trying

to deal with it and talking about it or someone being depressed pretending that they're not depressed because they have a job where they can't even admit that it's happening. Oh yeah. If your one goal in life is don't let anyone know that you're actually depressed. Yeah. That's a rough spot to be in dude. Oh man and dangerous. Maybe the worst. rough spot to be in dude. Oh man. And maybe the worst.

Yeah. Maybe the worst dude. Cause then you've got no space to just be like, I'm having a shit day. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and this kind of circles back around to a lot of what he was saying about, you know, his addictions, drinking, the party world and finding the strength to say, I'm doing recovery, I'm stopping this,

I think about it every day, but I know this is better for me. And just kind of sticking with that. I mean- Yeah, fucking legend, man. Hard to do. Yeah, super hard to do. And you know, he does a great job of like telling stories and making himself the butt of the joke and kind of, you know, like taking the weight off it.

But like an everyday struggle. Yeah, sure. You know, yeah, every day. For sure. It's funny because there's actually I do not have Spotify premium. So I get all kinds of ads when I'm listening to these and watching these. And like, it's funny how much, um, like sports betting, like gambling at home ads are up, you know, cause like, sure.

You're not going to wreck your body, which is that's a plus, you know, and Joe, like, but it's a huge addiction for a lot of people and just gambling and like, man, for sure. It is. You want, you know, you just want the beginning of this episode. I read, uh, a DraftKings ad this one we're doing right now. Can I talk about it? Well, you're talking about it right now. Do you want to do the ad? You could read it. I haven't put it in yet.

Okay. Yeah. Alright. I'll send it to you. You read it. You gotta send it back. It'd be funny for the listeners cause they would have already heard you say it. Yeah. Cause it's played at the beginning. Oh by the way, I don't know if you know this. But it's very true. But also, look at it like this.

It's okay to sell your own whiskey brand, yet there's also people addicted to alcohol. So it's like, are you bad because of that? It's like, I guess, could you put it in the same category as cigarettes? It seems like cigarettes are trying to kill everyone across the board. Oh, but they're fun, right? Alcohol isn't necessarily trying to do that. And the idea of gambling is that you can win though most people don't, but then it seems like most people at least enjoy that act of it. You know, it's, it's a slippery one.

Totally. Yeah. Yeah. Did he go into much of like, what pulled him out or what? What was kind of his, what did he hold on to? What does he hold on to? It was like, whoa, what made him clean up? Yeah. It was, it was rock bottom stuff, you know? Yeah. Like he bumped into Philip Seymour Hoffman at a restaurant and he was just like shirt off, shoes off, just like, hey bro. Hey man, how's it going? Good to see you.

Yeah, yelling at him from across the street. Yeah, it probably doesn't take many moments like that. You know, the weird thing about Josh's career is, like I said, he was famous from Goonies. He was very young then. You know, he's probably like 18. So I think he had like 10 or 15 years where he just wasn't anywhere as big. And as far as I remember, no country for old men was when he like really shot back in. And I mean, he really made it back to the surface. He definitely was in his 40s then.

So that was that was a jump. And that comes with some pain. Oh No doubt, but I mean you've got a like I Think that's something from the outside looking in you're like, oh look at yourself, you know, you're on the street You don't have shoes on you don't have a shirt. I Think it's so easy when you're not in addiction To for it to seem like an obvious choice. Right. Like, Oh, just stop doing that. That's, that's a crappy option.

Right. But it's like, there's just no, you're in chaos. It doesn't do it justice. You're in highs and lows and a bunch of chaos. And yeah. And, and that's the only thing that's given you a break. Right. And it's basically like, it's almost like a tightrope walk as well. you know? It's like, yeah, you can stay on it for a while if

you practice, right? So these people that are in this kind of addiction chaos, they get good at just maintaining, like just keeping their head above water, but you're not making huge strides, you're often not building really good relationships, I mean you're not enhancing your life a big deal. And at the end of the day, you got a skinny bit of rope under you that if you just take your eye off for one second, you're flat on the ground. So they're real close to just wiping themselves out. And, and sometimes that's the catalyst that they need to be like, fuck.

Yeah. Yeah. It's funny because Joe asked him, he's like, when did you hit rock bottom? He's like, oh, when I was 16. I think he said that. And you know, and that was not when he turned his life around or anything like that. Right? No.

No, which is interesting, right? It's like that's when it was at its worst. And then he found a bunch of ways to cope. And you know, hey, if anyone can actually figure out like the perfect mechanism for getting somebody out of addiction, I mean, yeah, that would be worth more than any pharmaceutical drug for sure. Oh my gosh. But it seems pretty different for everybody.

It's probably going to be up there with like who built the pyramids or how do they build the pyramids? You know, how does I mean, even the cancer, you name it like even treatment centers, right? Like the best of the best of the best. Nobody, nobody has a hundred percent recovery. Dude, the percentage rates are like shockingly low. And I don't want to take anything away from, you know, those, those drug rehabilitation centers, rehabs, AA meetings. I don't want to take anything away from them, but statistically they're almost the same as people just deciding to stop. For like, it just, I think that doesn't mean that they're bad at same as people just deciding to stop.

I think that doesn't mean that they're bad at what they do. It just shows how complicated this issue is and how difficult it is for anyone to stop. Yeah. I mean, that's such a good word for it, right? Complicated, because it's so different for everyone. It's like a black box. And we can all be there.

Yeah. You know, for people to be like, oh, alcohol doesn't really affect me. Well, cocaine doesn't really get me, blah, blah, blah. But it's like, hey, I bet there's something out there that could grab you. Yeah. Oh yeah.

And if you got grabbed. Or the right situation, right? Like, yeah, you're not gonna get hooked on this now with your job is good, all your friends are there. It's like, what if somebody gives you this drug the day after your life falls apart? Yeah, that's a really good. It's like, damn, then you only have one area of joy or perceived joy.

And then, yeah, yeah. But look, at the end of the day, fair play to him. And I mean, it is important to have these stories from individuals that have Really improved their lives and can articulate it and can inspire others I think that maybe that might be part of the path for most to get out of it You know just to see that other people are like hey, this is hard. It's still hard It's hard every day, but this is why it's better. Yeah. And Josh does a great job of that. I mean,

he can clearly inspire people and it's very cool. It was interesting how they spent so much time talking about Hunter S Thompson. Oh, and they were like, you know, Tomson. Oh, and they were like, you know, what a legend, legend for sure. And Joe's remarks were pretty like spot on. He's like, you got to take care of your body. And that's, that's sort of what, ultimately like what, you know, that's what got him. That's what got him. Like he had this, this mad, he was able to flirt with chaos. Yeah

But it's like he didn't know how to you didn't know how to stop imagine if he did three days of detoxing per week He just lived his crazy life, but like from Tuesday To Friday morning. He was just green drinks and saw yes. He's in the he's in the cold plunge. He's doing push ups. He's working with a trainer going to bed at nine coffee animals. Yeah. And then and then as soon as the weekend comes, just blast it just meth from Friday to Tuesday. Yeah. Yeah. That was a trip here in his routine. It's like five p.m. Start doing coke seriously. Yeah. I mean, of course his brain went to mush and, you know, part of this wild, wacky way that he lived, you know, it created the chaos dialogue that brought us, you know,

gonzo journalism. That just kind of half fictitious, half real, wacky narrative that just is so fascinating. There's some truth to that, right? Like I think many of the addicts among us are like they're carrying some kind of burden that we either don't know how to handle or we get to conveniently ignore. Right. As a culture. Yeah. Right? Like, oh we don't't know how to handle or we get to conveniently ignore, right? As a culture. Yeah. Right?

Like, oh, we don't really know how to grieve. So some of us will just get by and some of us are gonna, you know, become alcoholics. Yeah. And like, yeah, it sucks to be them. Yeah. No, I just pointed at myself when you said some of us will become alcoholics

Ouch just kidding will become that's good. Well, I mean, you know I Aspired to be got to keep practicing. Yeah, got to keep practicing just makes perfect I'll tell you what though. I did too I definitely did really don't ever want to get to a point where it gets so out of control that I have to quit all the way. That would be a bummer. You know? Interesting.

Well, because I've talked to enough people that are sober now and they do talk about how every day is part of that struggle. And it's almost like you tip it so far that then you're like right I have to be more concerned about this every day than anything else and that's really the most important thing I need to stay away from. It's like you know I admire that they can do it. Your whole life revolves around it. I admire that they can do it but yeah exactly it's almost as big a part of their life as it was when they used it. It's not like you forget and it's that it just seems my heart goes out to people that have that happening to them. It's rough.

Yeah. And that's, that's probably the best perspective to take. Right. It's like anybody who's in addiction, just like love on them because it's like, or just, you know, like whatever they're going through is hard as fuck anyway you slice it yeah and we don't really have a better option for them yeah and not not right now we'll see what our K does maybe you can bring some right psilocybin or what's that one jungle somewhere yeah what's the other one they've been doing down in Mexico? Ibogaine.

Oh yeah. It's like some Ibogaine. I have heard. Clean them up. Yeah. Yeah, we'll see. It's like a three-day trip, isn't it? It's not supposed to be fun.

Yeah. That one is like, you're not doing that recreationally. You're just like, oh God, my dad said what to me? I'm a piece of shit. Oh no. It's just like horrible reflection God, my dad said what to me? I'm a piece of shit. Oh no. It's just like horrible reflection until you quit all drugs. First Joe Rogan podcast I ever listened to. This was probably like, Oh, a, or something like that.

You brought somebody on. They were talking about I, I, Boga or Ibogaine. No shit. So like right when he started, basically, I think he started in 2009, but right then, okay, well then it wasn't 2008. It was in high school. I know that much. Yeah.

Um, yeah, I just remember I was like, well, there's some guy on the internet and he's talking about drugs and he's not all weird about it. Yeah. That's why he's so fricking famous today, dude. That's why I do the review because these conversations early on were like nothing I'd ever heard. And I didn't think that it was going to like change my life or the world in terms of like, oh, this is such intellectual, you know, TED talk level education that everybody needs. I was like, oh, this is what real fucking talk is.

We've been listening to the media and news and television and just shows for so long. We forgot what real fucking conversations sound like. With brave people that can talk about whatever they want. And they did that, dude. I mean, it was edgy as fuck back then. And it was like, wow. It's like why Howard Stern was so famous. Just like he was saying anything, but Joe could say more.

Fun times, dude. Look, Josh was awesome. What a great guest. Corsetti, the whole thing. Thank you, Ian. Also, have a great fricking Thanksgiving, my friend. And great to have you on today. So we'll talk to you everyone out there Enjoy your Thanksgiving and we will talk to you guys next week. Cheers