Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 415 Joe Rogan Experience Review of John Fetterman

Episode Date: December 10, 2024

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Two, one, go. Enjoy the show. Pete Slauson Let's tell everybody what's going on with your iPad. So, because you had a stroke, you have difficulty, do you have difficulty hearing or… Pete Slauson Well, no, I can hear just perfectly right now. And, but there's just the one kind of a lingering issue. There's a lingering issue. And sometimes I lose just a couple steps on time. And then now after that, that's the only thing. And thankfully the stroke never touched my intellect, thanks.

But the stroke nearly killed me. And again, I don't, but I use captioning in situations just like this, in interviews. So that's why I can really make sure exactly what's being said, and then I can able to just participate. If somebody wears the glasses, it doesn't mean that they're illiterate, it just means that's a tool that allows them to participate or drive or those things. And it's that same thing, and a lot of people across America use captioning to watch movies and TV, and that's really no different than that.

So, it doesn't affect your intellect, but it does affect your hearing? Is that what's going on? No, I can hear and I can listen to music. The difference with music, for example, is that as long as there's muscle memory, I can remember all those kinds of music things. But it seems unlikely at this point that there're not going to be any kind of new favorites emerging like that. So you essentially only can listen to the same old music forever? Yeah. Senator, right? Senator. Um, discussing an issue that he has and a tool that he uses to overcome the issue that

he got from a stroke. And basically he uses some sort of listening system on an iPad that creates closed captioning when he's talking to somebody. I think that would help a lot of people trying to stay focused. I mean, I can't tell you how many people I know that aren't deaf and use closed captioning when they're watching Netflix or whatever. They just have it on. Yeah, that's me. I'm one of those people. I have noticed I can hardly watch TV anymore without them. I don't know if it's because there's like a disconnect in my brain or because I'm using probably multitasking, thinking about other things on my phone, but I just have a hard time understanding or like kind of just like keeping track of what's going on unless I'm reading and listening at the same time.

unless I'm reading and listening at the same time, I also think some of these tools are so helpful in other situations, even temporary environments like say you have a baby in the house and you can't turn the volume up right. You want to know what you want to hear all the detailed conversations and all the nuances, but you need to keep the volume low like tools like that are super helpful and I think it's great that technology exists in the, you know, for people in all different situations in their lives. Look, and I think he explained it really well too.

I mean, he wasn't, he wasn't making excuses or stumbling over himself and saying, oh yeah, I had the strokes and now I've got like, I've got problems. He's just like, no, it's a tool. I mean, when he said about people that wear glasses, you know, to read, it doesn't mean that they're not good readers. They just can't see the letters.

Right. I mean, it's like the processing needs an extra boost, right? And he did say that the stroke did not touch his intellect, which, you know, thank goodness That's that would be really hard to go from being someone in a you know High level government office to someone whose intellect was affected by this medical condition, but Yeah, just needs a tool and I think we had that stroke while he was running to get the position Yeah, I mean think of the stress. Oh and then that happens and then he get the position. I mean, think of the stress.

And then that happens and then he still makes it in. I mean, honestly, very impressive. So much. And like Rogan was saying, and I think what makes him seem so down to earth, not just that he talks like a regular person, he doesn't sound like he's bullshitting you. He sounds like he's trying to find

the right answer and the best thing for the country. But, you know, doesn't wear suits. He just wears what's comfortable. It's not polished. Anything about him is not polished. And to be able to win like that, it gives me hope that we might start picking candidates for the right reasons rather than, Oh, this dude looks rich and yells at everyone. Or, yeah, I think, I think I a hundred percent agree. I would say there is a little potentially a fine line in maybe it's because I'm indoctrinated into this like system where politicians are typically very well dressed and you know in

suits and things like that. But I think a little bit of effort sometimes in that department can go a long way. Maybe it's the female in me where it's like I know when I get dressed up, sometimes I'm just like I feel like I'm operating at a higher caliber right, but I love jeans and a sweatshirt as much as the next person. You know, I love to be comfortable. I would say, you know, especially on something like Joe Rogan, who cares? Joe literally wears like camo workout shorts all the time, like on his own podcast. But you know, he mostly wears a suit even when he commentates the UFC, or a shirt.

He's like, at least I have my shirt on. So even Joe has his like dressing up approach, but I don't think it takes anything away from John that he's like, I never do. No, not at all. I never feel good about it. And if I'm gonna lose votes because of that, then maybe I have to just be extra good at my job

to make up for it. Which, you know, is good motivation. I mean, if you're voting for a candidate because you like their outfit, there's something wrong with you, not with them, right? Like, yeah, I mean, there's something to it. I think when it comes to a president, like someone that like is the face of your country almost, they got a being sharp, looking strong, looking confident, being clean cut is a good move.

I mean, Boris Johnson just always looked like a mess and he was the British prime minister for a while. His hair was a mess, he just looked like he just woke up. I mean, it was like he'd looked like a buffoon, you know? And whether he acted like it or not, it's like impressions like that means something. Yeah. But I think his attire, like it, it just breaks the norm. I think it kind of goes along with sort of how he is sort of a different politician. He thinks more like the common person I would say, and he's really advocating for the people, not for the, I mean, I don't wanna say for the policies, but he's not answering to the money.

He's really thinking about what the people need, and at least in his opinion, of course, that's always a subjective thing. But- I'm inclined to believe him too. I mean, here's the elements about him that kind of make me trust him more, right? The, how candid he was about everything,

about why he dresses the way that he does. You know, he's like, I got toothpick legs and no ass. Like he wasn't trying to sugar coat anything. And he's like, yeah, I had this stroke. And then he goes, the stroke led to like pretty bad depression. And that's like an incredibly vulnerable thing to talk about. I mean, I'm sure there's plenty of politicians out there that would deny ever having emotions and feelings like that.

They want you to believe they are extremely polished. Everything's together. They're always at the top of their game. And it's like, it's just not that human of a trait. Right. To hear about. Yeah, his vulnerability was, dare I say, I don't wanna say empowering,

but like it just made me feel like, gosh, I wanna know more what this guy has to say, because I feel like he's relatable. I feel like he isn't faking with me, you know, like I really genuinely care about what he has to say. And I think that's in a politician, you know, as a politician, that's what you want is for people to care what you're saying, not just be like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, like you really want them to be tuned in and dialed into that. It does make you think, right, the depression thing.

It's like, obviously, if you're a congressperson or a senator, you have insurance, medical insurance from the government, you know, it's like many government jobs. But again, it's not like cutting your hand open. That's clearly an injury that you have to get fixed. Mental health isn't like that. It's still a voluntary, you got to get over.

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Because it's not unreasonable that people with a very stressful stressful high power position job You know will have these moments And to think that you know, he's not gonna be the only Senator that is Suffer from depression, right? No chance. No chance. I mean do we want somebody that is like Very depressed and not doesn't have the outlet to talk to somebody like in that position? You know, I'm not saying we should take John out. I don't mean that. I mean, let's make sure these people have support so that they

Yeah, they kind of have have helped. support these people are advocating for the masses, right? They aren't just like a CEO of a company being like, I'm just, you know, just my shareholders. That's what I'm advocating for. They're advocating for these large groups of people with all from all different walks of life. They're working tirelessly for many, many, many years as a long game politics and in political careers. And typically the deterioration of your mental many years is a long game politics and in political careers and Typically the deterioration of your mental health happens over a long period of time, but there's a long game in in Healing your mental health as well. And so you can't just say oh just go see a therapist three times and figure it out

You know, it'll be fixed. So I think it begs the question of like, is there, is there access the appropriate levels of mental health access, your mental health therapy and health care across the board in our country? I mean, we know the answer, which is no, like absolutely not. And let's, let's just, you know, bet on people like john who are open and honest about their mental health and, and perhaps they're going to be the types of politicians that advocate and start putting in legislation that requires it in certain areas of, you know, our, our, you know, the certain types of careers, you know, especially those that are of high stress.

I think it's so critical to operate on that, like high caliber level. Yeah. No, it's very true. It's very true You know one thing that he that he touched on that I actually Found quite refreshing and it was I think similar to what JD Vance was saying It's like when they were talking about the complexities of the immigration issue I mean there is this narrative out there and Elon Musk believes in it, that the left has been shipping these immigrants to these swing states and then fast tracking them through

immigration to get to a voting position. Well, you know, I didn't ever re like second guess that until JD Vance was like, well, I don't know about that. It might be more to do with, um, he, he was like, there, there's some truth in that, but it also might just be labor shortages and getting cheap labor into these specific areas. And John Fetemem was kind of on board with that. I'm not saying I'm deciding one or the other is true, but it's interesting to hear these different viewpoints. And there seems like a genuine logic to either. It's almost like you could just pick a side

or we could wait for more information to come in. Yeah. Yeah. There's that concept of there's three sides to every story. And I feel like we're still waiting on the truth. So there's the right side, the left side, and then what's actually happening. And I feel like we're still waiting on that truth. And further, what the solution is to a Pete not appease but alleviate the stress around this topic right like why is well I think I think that there is an immigration process in place mm-hmm that's been established over a long period of time, which is usually a good way of establishing policy, not rushing anything, you know?

Not being like arbitrarily six feet social distancing. That's how we do it. Base it on a process, takes five years, if you want citizenship and then you blah, blah, blah and here's the right, so there's this process. And you also can't do it illegally. You have to get visas, you have to kind of work it that way. There's also asylum way of doing it.

And then there's, I think something built in for like, if people have been illegal in the country for like a long period of time. And, you know, I think it's something like they can show that they, they work and they don't have a criminal record and you know, they can kind of work their way in that way using that system, which we already have, I think both left and right agree that that's like a decent process. Maybe there's some tinkering to be done.

Maybe make it slightly less complicated, you know, for people that don't speak English as well and have to fill those down forms out like something like that. But letting them in illegally is definitely a bad plan. And then shipping them around the country, also a bad plan. I just cannot understand how anybody would think that that is okay. Yeah, I think the argument that I've heard from, you know, the left argument is you ship them to where potentially there's the need for this labor, these labor shortages, or there's, you know, space, or there's, you know, welcoming in communities or whatever.

And then on the topic of sort of expediting their citizenship, you know, if it is due to workforce shortage and we want to have them be working legally and taxed as Americans are, they do need to be a citizen. So the whole expediting the citizenship. I, to be taxed, you just need a worker's permit, the workers permit. Got it. So you can get workers permits for lots of different visa types. Right. So then yeah, like why, what is the explanation other than for expediting citizenship other than to allow them to vote, right? Like is that the intention? Is it to give them more rights? Is it to tax them differently?

Is it so that they can, you know, apply for other government services like health care, you know, like Medicare or Medicaid, excuse me, or, you know, government housing? Like what is the purpose? What is the explanation from the left? Obviously being on the defensive side of any topic, it's hard because you can kind of speculate out. Like you can sort of be like, Oh, maybe it's this, maybe it's this or, you know, it's like they're against me and, and it's, and it's totally like, you know, to mess up my agenda, but that's not always the truth. Like usually there is somewhere in the middle, something that's truly happening. And that's what I'm so desperate to know in this situation.

I think with this one, what's interesting and what Elon is drawn on is even if the original motivation wasn't for votes, he is the type of thinker that will extrapolate out into the future of what will happen. And even if you're just trying to fill the need for labor shortages, you know, and all trying to help, you know, immigrants quickly that are maybe in a bad way in Mexico, wherever they came from, right?

Which is a very liberal thing to do in terms of just wanting to help. Right. However, if the unexpected consequence is that now you're getting all these votes enough to sway an election or continued future elections because of those actions, it almost builds its own conspiracy. Right. It's like an accidental conspiracy theory. And I don't think Elon cares either way what's behind it. He's like, this is going to happen because of this.

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people. This isn't this idea that we're saving resources and it's better for the environment. It's like you won't be able to look after the elderly in your community, in your society if you don't have enough kids. It's like, he's not thinking an hour ahead. He's not thinking to the next election. He's trying to get us on fucking Mars. Yeah, I was going to say that too. I think there are certain people on our planet like Elon that maybe have the capacity have like the mental attuity to To think that far out right to think about how our actions today every small action today really does affect the long-term

you know quality of life here on our planet or in our country and I don't know that every politician is doing that. A lot of them, you know, just like humans, you know, we're like, we're fulfilling needs that we have right now, right? Maslow's hierarchy of needs, we have, you know, food, clothes, warmth, things like that. The humanitarian in me absolutely wants immigrants to come here and like have the opportunity to have the American dream and to have housing and healthcare and food and school for their children. But I also wonder, just like you just mentioned, how does that affect our elections, two to

three elections from now when those children are now voters and they're very democratic and they vote very left and they're like, know, very democratic and you know, or they vote very left and they're like, you know, well, this is why, you know, and, and for good reason for them, right. It makes sense for them to vote that way. But for those communities, it's like they, that was not an organic buildup of voters. That was an inorganic way of like, like swing the election in those counties or those communities. So it doesn't truly reflect the people and the ideals there because it was basically

thrust upon them. Yeah. And listen, stuff like that will happen naturally anyway. Yeah. And there's nothing wrong with that. And what I mean by that is, you know, maybe a huge exodus of people from California because of COVID, yeah, moving into other areas of the country, like Texas or Austin, in particular, and really kind of pressing the the left leaning vote in those areas. It's like, that's what migration does. Yeah, But when it's potentially being orchestrated, it's almost like the same thing as doing that gerrymandering, where they move the lines,

because there's two blocks that are all Republicans, so they're like, well, we wanna take those votes out, or vice versa, sneaky things. And listen, to be clear, I don't want that happening on either side. I don't want Republicans doing anything that could sway the election that much in one way, and I don't want the left doing it either. It's like, hey, you've got enough other resources, get a good candidate. You've already got a shitload of money that you can spend

on the commercials and podcasts and you've got a lot of ways to win. Just also do a good job and then you'll probably win. Talking about that though, and we get into money in politics, but I think something moving forward should be not how much you raised, but how little you spent of what you raised. Because to me, that speaks to how you run the economy. Totally. Of course. Doesn't it make sense? Well, yeah. I mean, like there's that. Trump spent like half his money.

Yeah. And Kamala had over a billion dollars and bankrupted her campaign. Spent more than that. Yeah, I mean, there was that argument. I'd heard seen that kind of bounced around many from many angles of, you know, what would you do if regard if you didn't spend the money you raised on campaigning on advertising for yourself but rather on, you know, like benefiting, building homes in Maui. Yeah.

Where they burn down the topics that you're, that you're the pillars of your campaign, actually putting your money where your mouth is. Right. And saying, we raised a billion dollars. I'm not advertising for it to be a president, but I'm going to put half a million dollars into this a hundred and $50,000 into, you know, $150 million into this, like, and, and actually trying to move the needle on some of these things. That's genius.

And saying, I don't care if I win, all I care about is these policies, and that makes me want to vote for someone. That's what she should have done. 100%. If we were a campaign manager, well, you especially, because you came up with the idea, but if it was like, hey, you need to go on all these podcasts, these big comedian podcasts for free that honestly have been leaning more right. Yeah. Because of a lot of the dumb policies of your party, but go on those so everyone can hear your message. Talk like a normal person. Don't act like a crazy person.

Don't laugh the whole time. Right. Don't giggle your way through. But talk like a normal person and say, hey, we've raised this billion and we want to do exactly what you just said. We're not wasting it on all these commercials. You won't see a bunch of commercials at the Super Bowl or wherever else they waste their money. So stupid. They're not going to give $50 million to a bunch of dumb celebrities to come out and sing terrible songs while they're like, we love Kamala. Yeah, and if they were like, yeah, we're helping inner city kids

We just put money with these schools Yeah, we just put another 200 million towards this program that we believe in and the message there could be hey Even if we don't win we've actually done a lot of good, right? Which is the whole point of getting in. What does Kamala do? Blow it all. That's, that's for me, like with our politics, it's, I mean, I know in a democratic society, it's always about like the party, right?

They, the loyalism to the party, the party being in are really the candidate. But for me, like, I know I've know I've talked to you about this before. If I in a magical world where I get to design the tax system, it would be, you know, twenty five percent of my taxes go towards what the government deems necessary, right roads, blah, blah, blah, like, you know, building things, you know, maintain the country, paying the government employees, whatever that is stuff that I may not even understand is a necessity The other 75% I get to dictate to some capacity I get to say I want to contribute more to schools I want to contribute more to taking care of old people. I want to contribute to

building housing for poor people or giving food to those in poverty like whatever that is and actually That way that the money spent is actually reflective of what the people want. Does that make sense? I think if a candidate came out and said, I've raised a billion dollars now as a country, whether you want to vote for me or not, I want you to go online and I want you to take this survey and I want you to tell me how to spend this money for the people of this country. right? Where is this money gonna go? How much should I give and and find a way to gauge that and everyone just gives trips to Vegas? I mean, obviously, you know, I mean they're you know proposing certain things and giving ten options and saying like, you know Which are the top three most important things to you?

And these are what I'm gonna how I'm gonna divvy up my money and you know, which are the top three most important things to you? And these are what I'm going to, how I'm going to divvy up my money. And you know, is it homeless animals? Is it, you know, the people in Maui, is it the people that would just suffered from the hurricanes in, you know, the South in Florida and Georgia and North Carolina? Like what is it that's really important to you? And I feel like that we need more of that in our country in all, you know, in the tax system, in every, tax system in every in every facet of how we spend our money, like philanthropy to some extent, like being part of what we do and giving our money to those top it to those like things that we care about rather than the things that someone tells us we have to write, like paying

for all these government employees that when we go and need their services, their assholes, like the DMV, right? Like that just doesn't feel good. It doesn't feel right. It doesn't feel empowering. And it definitely doesn't make me vote for anyone one way or another. Well, you know, what's interesting is this was kind of unprecedented. The money they raised this time around on both the left and the right, but especially the left. on both the left and the right, but especially the left. But even there, it's like these days, it costs somewhere around a hundred million dollars

to get into a Senate seat. So think about it, there's how many? A hundred of them, a hundred senators. Every, what is it, four, eight years, they get re-elected. So they gotta run again. So that's how many hundreds of millions every how long. I think John was saying that- The massive waste of money.

And what does he get paid, 175,000 a year? Yeah, I think he was saying that someone, that like the other party spent like a hundred million trying to get, trying to not let him in office. Basically you spend a hundred million on the defense. You get nothing except to not let the other person in. So it's like, why not do good with that rather than trying to like, I don't know.

It just feels so ass backwards to me. It's because it really does highlight. It's about winning and power rather than helping. It's like, it's far less common for somebody to do a very gracious, charitable offering and not take any credit for it. You know, those stories are always beautiful when it's like the guy that just delivers the food to the... Looking for the ultimate online casino experience? Step into the BetMGM Casino app, where every guy that just delivers the food to them. inspired by the great one himself or play the dazzling MGM Grand Emerald

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Never takes any credit for it. It's like truly Selfless. These politicians are not those people. They're megalomaniacs that wanna be president half the time. They want everyone to know who they are, this power of them getting in, they don't even care about collecting their paycheck because they're probably gonna insider trade

the whole time they're in there while they pretend to care about fricking paycheck, because they're probably going to insider trade the whole time they're in there, while they pretend to care about, you know, freaking Joe Smoe that works at the mechanic place. It's like, whatever, dude. And listen, you know, I'm a bit kind of negative and skeptical when it comes to politicians, right? I'm just always suspicious of what they're up to. I'm sure there's some decent ones.

I think John sounds like a genuine guy that wants to help and do good things. But I always say keep an eye on them, all of them. Like, they're sneaky. Well, I would love to see from John, having him come on here, being so candid about how much money is spent and how much money is spent on the defense, on the offense to, you know, win

and lose an election, how much he makes, you know, I mean, 175,000 is very average. I'm not average, but it's like not like a incredible salary in today's economy, right? Like he's probably just making it like a lot of people are. I mean it's good, don't get me wrong. I'm not, but yeah what I'd really love to see from him is some legislation, you know, initiated by him on spending in political campaigns and I don't know if there's there whether that's a tier system. Well I don't think that they get to just write any bills that they want. They're usually on committees, so one will be on like the energy ones on the, I don't know, the education committee. So they're only kind of writing bills that are connected to that. I think they can also-

They can build committees though, if there's something. So, you know, whether it's something where he's like, I want to put some new ledger I want to really turn the campaigning you know in the American political system on its head how do we start that who else is with me like just want to hear a little bit more noise from I mean coming on here is a great start talking about it being open again it is great it's a perfect way to like get the conversation going. But it's not going to think, do you think the kind of conversation that they had went well enough in terms of what you know about Rogan for Rogan to have him back on? I think so. I think Rogan liked talking to him. I think so. I mean, they're, you know, they, they started out

sort of talking about like Fetterman being very relatable in the fact that his son was a fan of Joe Rogan. And I feel like that's kind of, that's sort of like a theme. It's like a thing that we hear about a lot of the guests. You know, like- Do you know that Gavin Newsom once made like a, he made like, I don't know if it was a speech or just some statement saying that he wants

to create legislation to basically censor podcasts because he found out his son was listening to Rogan and he was that like upset about it. Yet John can come on, be liberal and say, oh yeah my son thinks you're great. Yeah I mean I think that it's... Gavin Newsome sucks is my point. You really do not like that man. I do not like it. But you know the, I would say to answer your question, yes, I think it was a really good, genuine conversation. I liked how the platform gives people the opportunity

to come and get to know Joe and for Joe to get to know them on a personal level, like really dive into like what makes them tick and like what their personal life is like versus their professional life. I think it is refreshing, you know, with all of the, you know, the conservative candidates and people and people supporting Trump that, you know, that, that gosh, the word is, I said it so many times leading up to the, but like people that said that they wanted to vote for Trump, they, to have someone sort of on the other side,

come on. Like, I think it goes to show that this platform has the ability to cover it all. Right? And it can, you, when it's, once it gets censored, that's when that falls apart. I mean, listen, he's not having, having people have been recently given him a hard time about, oh, he has a lot more right leaning people on them left. Right. Yeah.

Though not necessarily true because I'm sure most of the comedians that come on, which are most of his guests are all left. Yeah. However, you know, saying that he's not going to have a AOC on or Gavin Newsom or like the more wacky liberals, he's just not going to have AOC on or Gavin Newsom or like the more wacky liberals. He's just not going to do it. And when I say that, I don't mean also like really very left. I mean, he'd have Bernie on again any second, I think. I think he really enjoyed talking with Bernie. He supported Bernie after he came on and was like, that's my guy. Yeah. You know, he values just, but you can't go on a show

and be really wacky with what you're saying. He's just gonna call you out. I think, yeah, those people that are just all about wacky and they're like, AOC, she's just so reactive. She's so like defensive. You know, I, as a female, I wanna to be like a champion for any woman politician that supports the things she really believes in both sides. I think everyone has a reason.

Everyone has different levels of priorities. Everyone thinks things that what they're doing and saying and advocating for is the right thing. And I think any woman that has the guts to stand up and do that job when it is a male dominated industry, I'm all about it. But when you're like chaos, when someone comes at you and you're like literally like, you know, just like spewing bullshit like out on social media or like being super defensive, I just, I lose all I lose a lot of respect for people in that

sense. So I totally get what you mean. What happens is Joe would generally bring up something about, you know, the gender affirming care or the transgenic, you know, or like giving medication to kids. And if you pick that side, then you just have to blindly go with it because you can't have nuances in there. You have to be like, I support this all the way or no. But then when you start breaking down elements of it and you say, well, you don't let kids have tattoos. They can't drink. They can't leave the house and just go live somewhere else when they're 12.

So how can they make this decision that changes that? It's like those people that are on that side, they all break down then. Yeah. And they're only going to go on places that, I'm sure this is why Harris didn't go on Rogan. Looking for the ultimate online casino experience? Step into the BetMGM Casino app, where every deal, spin and goal brings Las Vegas excitement into the palm of your hand.

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But with John, that didn't happen. He was willing to face whatever Rogan came at him with, and I think he represented himself really well. I really enjoyed it. It's kind of like, it gives you a better perception of the type of meaningful conversation you can have with senators and especially ones that might not directly agree with your position on things. Yeah. You know, I mean, Rogan came out for Trump, but it doesn't mean that he didn't respect

what Federman had to say and who he is. So something pretty cool there. Anyway, let's call it for this week. I enjoyed it. I liked that guy. I liked to hear him back on and you know, it doesn't hurt to get the more of the story and perception from both sides, which I hope Joe keeps doing. I think he will. This is why he's able to kind of have that type of balance perspective that he

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