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Episode Date: December 19, 2024

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Two, one, go. Enjoy the show. What's up ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Joe Rogan Experience Review. This week we've got Mark Andresen on. Good to see him back. I like this guy. Rich guy. Rich guys that know a lot of stuff. He started out with an interesting idea like this divergent of time or like timeline splitting theory. The first big split he

felt were really like, I don't want to say the universe, but like America and you know the history of the rest of the world could have gone in a totally different direction. The assassination attempt on Donald Trump. Now what do you think things would look like if he actually had been killed? Um, I mean, I think there would have been a lot of really, really angry people. Yeah. It's, it's interesting because, you know, you hear a lot of like the, the narrative

of, Oh, I wish that he had, you know, gosh, this sounds even terrible to say, but he had gotten shot and things like that. Like, obviously you don't wish that on anyone, but that maybe some of this polarization in our political ecosystem could have been eliminated and we, you know, whatever. Mostly from people who are very left leaning, they have this like idea of like, oh, that maybe was the better way for it to go, right?

Because he didn't get shot, he didn't die. He almost, people got very amped up over this happening. People are like, he's so cool. I mean, he stood up and he put his arm, his fist up, like, you know, and a lot of people like kind of resonated with that in this sense of, you know. It was the most American shit I've ever seen. It was the most, exactly.

And so- In the craziest way, like obviously I'm sure even Trump wishes he wasn't shot at. There was a horrible time. Yeah. Probably scary even for him. Like that sucks. Nobody wants to be shot in the ear. But when he looks back on it now, he's like, that was the dopest thing. Yeah, I didn't die and people thought it was really cool that like I didn't yeah, I didn't die and People thought it was really cool that what I did in response right dude. He's in his late 70s And he didn't just stay on the ground and piss his pants. Yeah, he got up

Fist-pumped and said fight. He stuck his face out there Yeah, don't like I would have been an absolute mess. And I'm not like, I don't feel like I'm a huge coward. I just think that it's a realistic response to just cower away and try and get to your motorcade as fast as possible. It's just something that would resonate with Americans. And to also say that he did that as some sort of plan It's just something that would resonate with Americans. Absolutely.

And to also say that he did that as some sort of plan, you know, not the assassination. I mean, to get up and do that. Like, oh, well, he just did that because, you know, that's what Americans will. It's like, dude, you can't know how you would act in that situation. Yeah. Right. Most people would be terrified and that is reasonable. He just got up and owned it. And you know, even Zuckerberg came out and was like, that's

kind of the most bad ass shit I've ever seen. Like it's pretty undeniable. Like you really have to dislike the guy to be like, Oh, that wasn't important. Yeah. But to answer your question, what do I think would have happened if he had been assassinated, um, civil war, civil war, honestly, I think that there would have been a lot of, there was obviously a lot of angry people that had happened in the way that the investigation went, you know, and that the attempt occurred in general. But had he been assassinated, I think the uproar would have been an absolute civil war. Like that would have, I mean, I don't even know

if we could have carried on an election in the same way. I mean, something would have happened, but it definitely wouldn't have been, you know, business as usual. And- It would have been a very weird election. I mean, I think this is no matter what people would have been really frustrated by it.

I think this is a great question for someone who lived during like the Kennedy administration and like how everything went down after Kennedy was assassinated. It's a good point. You know, I grew up in Dallas going to the Kennedy the Museum, you know, it happened there in Dallas and you try to think about like being in that moment and like, you know, the president of the United States literally dying and like being shot right in front of you and you know, in his own vehicle next to his wife and like just

kind of like the gravity of that you can't really grasp, especially as a child. But now being an adult and seeing that and thinking about the potential of it, like it actually having occurred, like, yeah, I don't know. But I mean, yeah, I think it's a great question for someone that lived in that time. Like how, what, how did you feel? Like obviously probably some real, real, real fear about what's to come and the stability of the political system and so on. I mean, yeah, it's super unnerving regardless, you know, it's, it's just chaos. Yeah.

And then the next split that he talked about, so obviously Trump didn't die. He survives. He gets through the election and it's a sweep. He wins every swing state. The Senate and Congress win on the Republican side, overwhelmingly. And not only that, he wins the popular vote, which hasn't been done by Republican in a very long time. And you know, that is kind of a divergence.

It's like, it's like, did really anyone expect that? I'm sure a lot of people did, but surprise me. Like wow, people are really disillusioned by what's going on on the left right now. Yeah, I think that's it. I don't think that I, I think I expected numbers to be low. I think I expected, you know, like voter out, you know, voter turnout to be low. I think I expected definitely like less votes for the left than they were expecting just based on maybe it's just my personal views of like sort of like complete distrust of what they

were doing. But I also don't know if I expected quite so much to the right. And I think maybe people felt like there was this narrative like during the 2016 election, like if you don't vote for Biden or Hillary, then it's a vote for Trump. Right. Like, and so I think maybe that was sort of the same narrative. Like people really didn't want the Democrats to be in office. They didn't want what they were doing to continue. And so they felt like they had their how he'd like turn it on its head by switching sides, whoever's in office. And so maybe that drove more people to go out and vote.

But perhaps it's just genuinely that many people that believed in him and believed what he was promising. And, um, and, you know, he had some really strong endorsements behind him, obviously, you know, especially in our world with the people that, uh, you, you know, you and I follow and listen to regularly. I mean, Elon was huge, you know, and he didn't come on board. He even said, he said it wasn't until I saw the assassination attempt. Yeah. And, you know, just what that could mean and what was even happening in this country. And he was like, all right, I got that guy's back.

And that was huge. That really was. Yeah. Um, you know, some of that, I don't know how I feel about that, like, switch, not switching sides but like getting on board with a candidate just because they almost died. You know what I mean? Like, I think there was, there's obviously more elements to him, you know, Harris's vice president nomination, Waltz or whatever, he was almost assassinated.

Elon's not jumping on his bandwagon. There were a lot of other elements to it, I'm sure. But that was kind of like the straw that broke that camel's back to where he was like, I'm going over there now. Like that's enough. It makes me think of, this is maybe off topic, but in Mean Girls, if any of you listeners

have seen that movie and they're voting for home or Spring Fling Queen and they say, oh, I'm voting for Katie Heron or Regina George because she got hit by a bus. Well, I'm voting for Katie Heron because she pushed her in front of it. It's like just like voting for like the wrong reasons. I don't, I just don't agree with it, you know?

And like that was just kind of an off wall, like, you know, literally voting for someone because they got hurt in the process. It's like a sympathy vote, you know? And it's, I don't feel like this is- Also bringing up chick flick movies to make your point on this podcast is just not gonna resonate.

I know you've got some female listeners out there. Yeah, even they don't like that movie. They know what I'm talking about. It's one of the best movies ever made. What are you talking about? Shut up. This episode is brought to you by DraftKings Casino. It's the most wonderful time of the year.

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Yeah, pretty good. Nice. Alright, let's talk a little bit about the election interference allegations. You know, Mark made a strong point for these and it was very interesting because, you know, year election interference allegations. Mark made a strong point for these and it was very interesting because it goes back to the Twitter files, which were so downplayed, didn't get any media time. If it was the other way around, if it was something the Republicans were doing, and then the Twitter files came out, and they had been suppressing, the government had been suppressing

as much as it could on the Republican side, every news, they'd still be talking about it today. Like there are just certain bombshells that the news just grabs a hold of and will run with forever because they're like, this is a home run. The Twitter files would have been if our media wasn't so massively biased and liberal. Well, yes, it spoke to their narrative.

Right? Like it was, it's a complete opposite of that. Like there's, it is so liberal. Them talking about these companies that support them and support liberal candidates are censoring information To harm or you know the other side or help themselves basically Yeah, it's hard this the whole censorship topic is tricky again for me because I Am just not sure like is this just is the ethics around it just so blurry that like we can't Say this is right or this is wrong?

Well, the government needs to be really careful if it goes to a social media company and says, you can talk about this, you can't talk about this. Right? So, things that are a national security issue, I think they have a case. Because that's the kind of thing that's bipartisan. It's protecting American interests. But if it's to downplay the Hunter Biden laptop and say, oh, this is Russian misinformation,

do not share this with people. And we don't need to be talking about it only for the president later to pardon his son so broadly over how many years? 13 years? Yeah. Like, I think as a parent, like Biden clearly has just bailed his kid out of everything and never held him accountable. You know what I mean? It's like his kid's a crackhead. That's that happened. downplays the laptop, like sends the FBI to Facebook to say, hey, don't talk about this.

Like, make sure they don't. Now, it would have affected his campaign as well. So maybe it was just for him, but it sounds like he's protecting his kid as well. Plus that, pardon, it's just like. Yeah, see, I, as a parent have less of a problem, you know, with the idea that he's doing this to protect his child than that he's doing it to protect himself in this campaign, right?

Like, but- Probably both. But it's definitely both. I mean, you know, so, I mean, you try to put yourself in his shoes. If Trump was in his position, I just can't to put yourself in his shoes. If Trump was in his position, I just can't imagine he would do it differently. If wouldn't he just say,

oh yeah, throw Vanka under the bus because I don't wanna, you know, I'm so stand up good guy that like, I'm never gonna, you know. No, no, I get your point, but also she doesn't smoke crack. No, no, but. And hang out with hookers.

No. And et cetera, et cetera. Say something like that did happen, right? And then it's like, you know, any parent, like I feel like that's what you do. Well then Trump would look like a dick as well. Yeah, so I think the real issue is in today's world, we have so much information sharing,

right? Like in previous elections in the 1950 have so much information sharing, right? Like in previous elections in the 1950s, in the 1980s, there wasn't cell phones, there wasn't, you know, videos of you anywhere and everywhere. There wasn't audio recordings of you. People weren't recording your voicemails digitally, like the social media stuff didn't exist. So the information sharing is so prevalent

that anything that anyone does, even someone as high, you know, like as popular as the president's son or the president's daughter, it's like whatever they do is gonna be talked about and someone is gonna have a problem with it. And don't get me wrong, what Hunter Biden did is wrong. And it could be a security thing, right? But it's a little different

when he films it all himself. I know, it's stupid. It's on a laptop and then takes it to a store to have his laptop fixed. So stupid. But again, if social media didn't exist, maybe if you know, if he didn't have the laptop. So like I'm just saying like as technology evolves, as things evolve, we're going to continue to have these new issues. And so we have to find a way to say that, you know, one, okay, this and admit this stuff probably stuff like this probably happened before this technology existed. We just didn't know about it.

So now that we, so now that we do know about it, how do we go about this? How do we say, how do we discount a presidential candidate for something that someone else has done? Right? Yes. It's his family. Yes It's his blood. It's his child, but in protecting him That's a genuine like good parent thing to do. Is it a good presidential thing to do? No, but how but when you're a human you can't necessarily like separate the two at all times He's not allowed to use the FBI No, to put pressure on social media companies.

No, it's not. No, it's not his private police force. But is it? If we put ourselves in his shoes, what else would he have done? If you're a good parent, you should hold your son accountable for the things that he does wrong. Look, if he's 12 years old, then yeah, there's levels of protection. This guy's like, I don't know how old Hunter is, in his 50s. Yeah.

And he's a lawyer. It's like, look, dude, you're a lunatic. Sorry. There's a little bit of that. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, that's a struggle. And when it comes to struggle. And when it comes to that he basically won the presidency. Yeah. Uh, yeah, maybe. I mean, it played a part if it had come out, people would have had I don't know how we could get right, but not, but it not coming out.

And him winning, I feel like are. They, they might be, um, what's the word, like correlated, but maybe one didn't cause the other. That's true. Like, so it's a big leap to say, oh, this didn't come out so he won. It didn't come out so his election wasn't tainted by it. Right. Right?

So those are two separate things. Those are two separate things. So I don't want, it's frustrating sometimes to hear this narrative go to, oh, this is absolutely why he won. He wouldn't have been in office if this had come out. I just don't know if that's 100% true. Would it have been tainted?

Absolutely. Should it have come out? Probably. Yeah. And, but we can't say that it absolutely, because some people, just like with things that come out about Donald Trump, you know, it's like, we don't say that it absolutely, because some people just like with things that come out about Donald Trump, you know, it's like, we don't care what comes out. We don't care what he does personally.

We only care what he promises to do in office. And so perhaps Biden's, you know, loyal voters would have felt the same way. They would say, it doesn't really matter what happens in his personal life, what his family members do, you know, what the FBI is doing while he's in office. But we're not talking about like the diehard people that would vote for a cabbage if it was a Democrat. We're talking about people that are really what the swing states are made of, people that are undecided, that actually vote different ways. And I think that would have played a big role in those things. And those margins are tighter than you think.

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I don't think it gives people confidence in, dare I say the party, because it was more than just Biden that worked to do this. It's not pretty. Well, and I think that what it goes to show is that we need some accountability there. We need to revamp how this is done. We need to obviously have freedom of speech. We need to, when the information comes out, we need to know it, but it's obviously still blurry. Like what is true and what is misinformation because, uh, you know,

say Facebook or Twitter at the time, they wouldn't have wanted to put this information out had it been false, had it been fabricated and then they look bad. Right. So they're holding it for a time. They're relying on good information from the FBI. So those media companies don't trust the FBI right now. No. Like they're not gonna listen to them.

And so basically what you've done there is you've created this scenario where people are losing faith in our intelligence agencies, which is a bad move. Terrifying. But this is why these moves are so bad. This is why even attempting this is so awful. They lost credibility.

I mean, people now are talking about closing down the FBI completely. That's what Trump's group is coming in and talking about. How would that work? Well, the guy that is appointed to take over, it just wants to send them all out and be arresting people. He's like, wants to close, like get them out of the office, says you don't want me to be here,

just go do some police work, that's what you are. Just go out and do it. And people are behind it. Yeah. You know, I don't know how they're gonna do it, but they have lost confidence. But who is gonna find the serial killers? Good point.

What? Well, we just wait till those really interesting shows come out. Will the BAU be closed as well? The who? The behavioral analysis unit. What is that? Criminal Minds, you've never watched Criminal Minds?

Oh, no, no, no. Come on. No. It's the best show ever made. Well, they're still going to make those shows, babe. Don't worry about it. Okay. Let's talk a little bit about the money that was paid by Harris's campaign to celebrities, celebrity endorsements.

Now it's a little up in the air. People are kind of denying they got paid in X, Y, and Z. We do know that Oprah was her company, one of her companies was paid like a million or $2 million to like put on a big party for Harris. At the end of the day, she spent a billion dollars on this campaign, which is a ridiculous amount of money. And is paying celebrities to endorse her. I don't know if

it's fully fact-checked and that's what happened, but there are pretty solid rumors about this and none of those singers are denying it. Right. Put it this way. Yeah. Cause it's going to look way worse for them. And yeah, it's like, what a terrible waste of money. I guess, look, it's their campaign. They can spend it on whatever they want.

And they were hoping that that would persuade people. But it's like, I just feel like if you've got people that are willing to spend money that way, and then you put them in power, how ridiculous are they going to spend the government's money? Yeah, what makes me question this, or what I question about this is if I had as much money as Beyonce did and I genuinely supported someone like Kamala Harris, you know, a fellow female black woman who was in power and you know I genuinely wanted

them to win, I would probably donate my time or my platforms, you know, I mean how much work does Beyonce have to put in to go to a rally and say something? It's a good point. And so, and I mean, she could probably even do a tax write off to say, I actually, she has a business, she knows what she's doing. She can say, I donated $8 million worth of my time

and write it off in taxes to you know, to a charity, which is a government, you know, a political campaign. Like I don't know why. I mean, that's where it feels weird. It's like if they got celebrity endorsements and even if celebrities give money, it's like, okay, that's their choice, right? Like that's cash being infused into a campaign. Does feel a little bit off, but less so

when the campaign pays a celebrity to perform. I mean, they're getting paid for their work, right? For the performance or for the, you know, the time, not necessarily for the vote, right? But they weren't singing there. But they just came up and went on stage. At the DNC they were, right? So at those times, those artists, those are paid as performers. So like, okay, you could say, I can't come because my manager or my record company won't

let me. I have to pay them. I don't think they paid Kid Rock to go to the... Probably not. No. What would you have to pay him? Not much. He's rich. Is he? Kid Rock is super rich, babe.

Okay, but he's not Beyonce rich, okay? And so this, this what gets me is like, why wouldn't these celebrities just donate their time if they genuinely do support these? But I think that's the point. And these aren't just rumors. Yeah. And it's, yeah, I definitely think it makes them less trustworthy.

The problem is, is it's this like facade for young voters sometimes or uneducated voters or just ignorant voters that are like, oh, I like Beyonce, Beyonce likes this person, you know, by association, I'm gonna vote for this person. And that's what they're hoping for, of course. But it's like just kind of a shitty way to go about it. I mean, it's not genuine.

If it worked, I would say that's the way to do it. Look, at the end of the day, whoever wins and whoever is the best at winning should be your president. Yeah. Right. It's like, you've got given a lot of money, spend it the best way. Right. I mean, listen, you've got one task

when you're running for president, one task, and it's to get elected as president. In the same way as when you are president, you'll get given tons of tasks, lots of things to do that you have to use your brain and figure out how to win it for America. You win it for America. That's what you do over and over and over again.

That's the hope, right? You do it with your party in mind, but that's the idea. So if your thinking is, oh, we get a load of votes if we pay for all these celebrity singers to come, and then you get completely destroyed, it's like you spent twice as much money as Trump and didn't even get close. Yeah, I think I feel differently than you on this

because yes, their job as the presidential candidate is to win, right? Is to get into office and carry out the agenda of the party and the voters, right? I actually genuinely feel that the person that should, like you said, if the person that gets the most votes should be president, I don't think that. I think the person that does the most right things by the mass, by the masses of American people should be the president, right? We've talked about this before. Kamala Harris raised a

billion dollars. Think about how much good she could have done towards the agenda that they had and actually put that money to work on things that were effective, maybe didn't directly, you know, weren't trying to buy votes, but were actually trying to make change or make improvements. Or do something good.

That's a good point. That's who I think should be the, I, if, you know, every dime that was fundraised actually went towards like taking action, then I would feel more, I mean, I would say, especially if it was the candidate that I supported their policies and their ideals, would feel more trust in them that they were going to carry out what they say they're going to. I think potentially on the flip side, if a candidate said, oh, I want to abolish this or I want to get rid of this.

And I felt in the opposition to it and they put a bunch of money into it before they were even in office, then it would be more fearful. Right. Right. So, but I think it's more I think the long story short, it's more impactful for them to do that rather than to get as many more votes. But in today's elections, that's all it is. It's getting the most votes. It's increasing voter turnout. It's, you know, and that's why they say

like she had the most successful campaign in some way or another. I don't know what they're how they're gauging that. But I think it was like poorly, barely. It was one of the most embarrassing things I've seen in a long time. But this is a bit, this leans into one of the next things that Mark brought up, which is, you know, been bothering me for a long time, like media decline, right? And the rise of independent platforms. I mean, if anything has been shown about podcasts in this last election, is they are fucking

real deal. Yeah. Like they made a huge difference. Trump didn't pay for any of them. None of them. No. Yeah. And he went on got millions, hundreds of millions of views between all of the, you

know, YouTube, the Spotify, Apple, iTunes, like that's incredible. Didn't pay for any of them, didn't have to. Looking for the ultimate online casino experience? Step into the BetMGM Casino app, where every deal, spin and goal brings Las Vegas excitement into the palm of your hand. Take your seat at Premium Blackjack Pro, where strategy meets top tier gameplay.

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And just had a chat with him. I probably thought Theo was a bit weird, but he gave Theo- We all think he's a bit weird. Bless him, Theo's a good man. But yeah, he sat there and he talked with him. So in the same way, you know, Harris didn't go on almost any,

she went on the daddy one, which nobody listened to. I didn't even think, it didn't even get a million views. And Trump's Rogan one was getting one to 1.5 million views an hour. Yeah, it can't be said enough. For two days. She did herself complete disservice not going on Rogan. And then the rest of media like MSNBC,

he was talking about in this, the demographic 18 to 45 is less than 30,000 in males. We probably have more on this podcast. Yeah. That's MSNBC. So thanks for listening. We appreciate you guys. Neither of us watch or listen to it.

I may follow large news stations on social media, but I have not turned the news on in my entire life. I don't use it as a source of information. I find it quite annoying actually, having trash being repeated and repeated and fake personalities. It's like they repeated and you know, fake personalities. It's like they're so ingenuine, I guess. That's what I really love about like the podcast circuits

that Trump did was like, you got to really see Trump in a long form, you know, setting where you got to get, he got to get to know different people and you got to get to know him. And it was just, it just makes you feel connected and closer to these people know different people and you got to get to know him. And it just makes you feel connected and closer to these people and these candidates, whether it's a political candidate

or just a genuine person, like author. That's the last point I wanted to bring up. This might have been the first internet election, right? And that was something Mark talked about. And it's really interesting because he was saying, look, moving forward, this is going to be how these elections are run. And I really do think so. I think that moving forward, as long as Rogan is doing his podcast, if all of the major candidates

don't go on his show, they're not going to have much of a chance at all. Because we don't trust to get to know them from those stupid debates that they do. Yeah. They're so short, they give everyone like, you got 30 seconds, you got two minutes. Like it's nothing. Yeah. Sit down, have a long conversation.

You know, people gave Rogan a bit of a hard time, like, oh, you didn't push back on stuff, or you didn't make fun of him, or you didn't grill him about this and that it was like alright But if you're having a genuine conversation with someone and you want to get to know them you don't go in with gotchas Yeah, don't go in trying to be like yeah, you didn't fucking do this though. You just talk to him Yeah, I mean just let them talk Yeah, he was enjoy it get in there Rogan doesn't host a political show his show is about a number of many a number of things, right?

It's it's all across the board and he's not in the business of falling out with his guests They're there. He's not look sometimes he'd call people out if somebody comes on with some wacky bullshit He will call him out. Yeah, comes on with some wacky bullshit, he will call them out. But generally he doesn't do that. And he certainly doesn't do it with like A-list celebrities. He gives them the respect that they're getting from everyone else that interviews them, you know, because everyone kisses these celebrities' asses.

And Rogan just, you know, is polite. He just lets them go and it's cool. Yeah, I mean, I think elections, like many other things in our, you know, streaming, you know, content, all of the things, entertainment, it's going digital fully, you know? And we are, I think we're ready for it. I think the problem is like the older generations

feel left out of this and they're like, oh, this is unchecked information and like no one's censoring them. No, it's like, well, that's what we have a problem with is censorship. We actually want unchecked information. You don't have to believe it, but I think it's important that it's out there and you also don't have to listen to it. Right. But you know, someone just seeks to go on and get the weather on CNN, and yet they're getting flooded with information that's censored by people who have an agenda and are paid by other agencies to have that agenda.

I honestly think it's a benefit for democracy because the better your democracy is running, the more people vote. Doesn't matter for what side, they're just voting, right? Young people generally have not been voting that much in general. This is why these political candidates don't focus on young people.

It's like all the people, dare I say more serious people, people with the responsibilities, they're the ones voting. Once it gets on the internet and podcasts and these types of podcasts, I think younger people are going to feel like, Oh, maybe my vote does matter. And I have a bit of an idea of who this candidate is because they're not sat there watching late night Fox news or a CNN or whatever. And they're like, Oh, I'm in this. Yeah, I think all of this topic really, I mean, we recently had sort of a inter-family quarrel

about a topic that was talked about on the Joe Rogan podcast actually. And then you discussed it on a podcast with your friend that as a standing co-host. And the issue between our family was, well, the older people, parents in our family, they hadn't ever heard about it. Well, it's not on the news, so it must not be happening.

It must not be very prevalent because it's not on the news. But why does that have to be, the news stations, they don't have journalists. They're just picking stories that are hot topics and they're running with it, right? Whatever is the biggest and it's typically what's being trending on social media, right? And so the issue, so yes, unchecked information can be dangerous, especially if it becomes false, but when it's true and it's being filtered out of mainstream media, and that was the question that I kept proposing to this family member. Well, what is mainstream anymore? Is it CNN that gets 50,000 streams or is it, you know, the Joe Brogan podcast that gets 50 million?

Yeah, yeah. You know, like, is it, what is mainstream? Is it downloads? Is it media? Like, advertising spend? Like, what is it? Well, look, even Joe says, I'm not the news. Yeah. Right? So he's saying that, and a lot of other people that are used to mainstream media are also happy to say

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The fact is, he is. He is what people listen to. They really trust him. They will go to him for things. He brings in people like Tucker Carlson and like other news giants, let's be fair, to speak about things. They have respect for him.

And at the end of the day, it's who people listen to. And people are not trusting CNN, MSNBC. People have always had back and forth issues with Fox News. And now we have new places to go to, to hear really smart people talk about stuff. And it's like, shit. I'll add just lastly, I think there is a potential for podcasters, especially those that are monetized or those that,

you know, do have a large following to be paid by political candidates and say, I do want to pay you $2 million to be on your podcast because you have a large following. I think the main issue with all advertising. That'd be lame. Well, yeah, but I think that could, is absolutely very- Joe would never do that.

No, maybe not Joe, but any other podcast, right? That's trying to grow their audience and really wants, you know, and obviously their income. Like that's a, I fear that that's a potential in the future. As in all, just like social media influencers, they're taking money from candidates to say they endorse them. Lame.

Absolutely super lame, so let's not do that. But you're right, there is the chance of that and that should be something we should know about. In the same way as if you're paying celebrities to show up to your rallies, we should know about it. It should be disclosed. Beyonce, $8 million to be here. 100%, yeah.

Like, you know, and you should- So everyone can know for sure, oh, they don't give a shit about this candidate. Yeah, creating content is one thing, but having non-intransparency is a whole other issue. Yeah. Look, Marc and Jason, great on this. As always, super smart.

I love his input on just kind of what's going on in the world. And it's great to see him back on. I hope he comes on again. He's one of those guests that I'm like, I'm kind of pumped when I see him on there. I will say he needs to drink more water because he does this a lot.

And he does, and then he breathes. So it's a bit of a hard listen, but maybe it's a sleep apnea issue I don't know. Let's clean his nose out. Yeah, give him some water but his solid dude and Great. Yeah podcast. That's it for this week. We appreciate you guys and gals as always talk to you next week