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shane gillis mark norman and ari chafir are on form in this episode. I have no idea why Eri decided that it was a good idea to challenge Shane Gillis to a drinking competition. That seems like a terrible plan and it really kind of unraveled into that, but it was hilarious. Yeah, I feel like we should probably chug some Bud Lights right now, but I don't have any so maybe not. It wasn't Bud Light that they were shotgunning, was it? Oh absolutely. I didn't see the actual video. It makes sense.

It was absolutely Bud Light. I wasn't sure if it was like, if it was a white claw or something easier. Kind of, you know, I'm proud of Mark Norman. It sounded like he drank a little bit more than usual. He was doing his best, but obviously kept his composure and, you know, had some ridiculous one-liners the whole. His like word association game was almost too much to deal with. Unbelievable.

Yeah, he was killing it. I mean, look, you get those type of guys together that have been friends for what, 10, 20 years? I mean, how long have those guys known each other? They obviously are homies from way back. At least a decade. I know that Aerie's known Joe for quite a bit longer, but yeah, they're all becoming very close friends. The best one liner for me was the Jack Reacher comment. It was excellent. What was that one? It was just so many good ones. I don't know. It was just like something about reaching around,

or reach around. I'm not sure. Excellent. Hey man. Yeah. But I mean, what was it? I just love- A $5,000 bet I thought it was only a thousand bucks. What did it did it end up being five? I Don't know I don't even know how serious it was. I mean obviously air was never gonna win So it might as well been a million

Yeah, that was it that was a tough challenge mean, look, I always love it when you get a group of guys together and you drink a little, you're having some fun. It was nice to see Joe kind of open up and be himself and let loose a little bit. He doesn't always do that. He's always talking about discipline. He's Joe Rogan. He's an important guy.

It's nice to see him get a little tuned up yeah yeah and you know in a way still you still see what he would be like to do that with like he's never the most messed up he's like still keeping it together making sure people are on track while a few others just kind of go off the rails. And obviously Shane Gillan, he seemed to like sober up as the pod went on. He was like more sober at the end in the weirdest way. The guy's an animal. Did you, I had a couple notes here before I forget. I had a, I didn't realize that there were these

private browsers have you heard of this this blaze and duck duck go oh yeah Joe talks about duck that go a lot I don't think I've ever even used them though I feel like I need to use them because you know lately I've been talking about pools for my kid and all of a sudden it's like all this little kids shits coming up on my Facebook. We've got Alexa in here, so Alexa is listening to our conversations every day. Who knows what's going to come up next? Oh, are you getting paranoid?

I don't know if I'm paranoid. It's just nice to know that there's a browser out there that would block you from, at least supposedly block you from, you know, people hearing it, listening in into your conversation. I mean, just... I think, I don't think that they're listening, dude. I think that it's shit you type in your phone or in Google. Yeah, but dude...

And people just forget that they type it in and then it shows up. I disagree. And it's actually stuff you were talking about So what about what about what about airplane flights though? What about you know picking flights on? Kayak or Google flights and then all of a sudden you go back the next day You didn't pick up your flight, and then it's like double the price does that happen to you? Yeah, but that's the same as I just that you typed it in they know you want it they save that and then they add 50 bucks. Yeah but doesn't

DuckDuckGo stop that from happening isn't that the point? They probably do but I am not a hundred percent sure that even happens to be honest like I think sometimes it seems like it does but it might just be that you didn't go back to the flight for a week and now the prices have changed I Don't know buddy seems a little fishy but All right, you can download it then it's free. Give it a shot. See what you think You can do whatever you want talking about conspiracy theories

They got into the Oklahoma City bomb thing. What do you remember of that whole event? When did that even happen? Was that the early 80s? No, it was early 90s. It was early 90s. You and I were old enough to remember. We were probably what, like 10?

Yeah, but I lived in England. It wasn't the same story it was here. That's why I'm wondering what it felt like when you lived through that. I mean, I remember seeing it on the news. The weird thing is I remember it being close to the first Iraq war as well when George Bush Sr. was our commander in chief, unfortunately. And yeah, I remember that because my uncle was actually in Kuwait. So I do remember that pretty specifically. But the Oklahoma bombing, I think, was right around that time.

And I just remember seeing it on TV, you know, like a bunch of explosions. It was like a fertilizer plant, right? No, I think that it was a fertilizer bomb that they took to like a government building and then blew up half the building. But these guys were saying that maybe it wasn't a fertilizer bomb, right? That was the conspiracy. Is that that that was probably a lie? Is that what they were saying? Is that that that was probably a lie is that what they were saying I? Think so yeah, I mean I What do I know about those types of bombs, but Joe said he spoke to a bomb expert and they that guy said

It's very unlikely that a bomb made of that stuff could blow so much of a building up But then it's like okay, but what the hell does that mean then that they put another bomb in there But what the hell does that mean then? That they put another bomb in there? Well, were they saying that he was part of the MKUltra? Is that how the whole MKUltra conversation got started? Yeah, supposedly he was. I don't know if it was the MKUltra one. It was like the Harvard LSD trials, which were different. Which Kaczynski was in as well, right? Harvard LSD trials which were different which Kazinsky was definitely had

Well, he is the Unabomber Right, so Kazinsky was part of the Harvard thing which is the same as MK ultra It was it just in a different lab, right? I mean, it's a similar. No, I think What similar but MK ultra was like the CIA project Gotcha. I don't know if they're related. Do you know that they're related? I don't know enough about those two things. Honestly? I think they're separate LSD trials.

Yeah, I just know that it's testing subjects using lysergic acid, the thetamine, or however you pronounce it. But yeah, it's using LSD on subjects to see if they can get them. You know, I think originally they were trying to create a truth serum was the original thought, right? It's something like that. Yeah. And that clearly that clearly mind control work.

I mean, people are just laughing their asses off and running around telling them everybody how much they love each other. Yeah, I wonder what the process is to like doing a lot of acid and then ending up wanting to like blow up a building. That seems like a big stretch. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I guess if you give somebody enough of any kind of drug, it just depends. I mean, who knows how much he was taking?

I don't know, man. It's crazy to think I mean they were talking about Charles Manson there was all sorts of conspiracies they were talking about you know Charles Charles being a part of a similar thing was that in Harvard was that at Harvard as well no he's that was the MK ultra one they think he's connected to like the CIA thing I still got to read that book that Joe keeps talking about me too That yeah, it's it sounds like I mean the guy obviously did his research What was it like 25 years of researching the book and it's all about?

Manson and the CIA and giving people acid and that just sounds so crazy. It's like what? Are you doing guys? Yeah, I don't understand it.'s like, what are you doing, guys? Leave people alone. Yeah, I don't understand it. I mean, what was the point? What was the point? I mean, were they just trying to see what LSD would do to people's brains

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They're kind of like free agents to just take money and go figure shit out and hope they can hide it if it all goes wrong. Yeah, I mean, did you read any of those jackal books? I can't think of the author right now, but how to be a jackal or You know, okay. Anyways, it was a former CIA agent and he he wrote a couple books. I Believe it was called to be a jackal anyway Similar stuff where like the CIA is completely corrupt. They're doing drug runs. They're going into Venezuela and you know Trading bombs for coke and I mean all sorts of shit. You've heard it.

Yeah. Yeah. I know some of that stuff for sure. It's almost like some of those things you don't even want to know. You really don't. Yeah. It would just upset you. It would be just, oh, of course it would.

It would just freak you out and you wouldn't trust the government at all. I mean, maybe that's why Kaczynski went AWOL, dude. There you go. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's probably something like that. Oh, they watched that video of that cop getting attacked by the dude with a hatchet. Did you actually see that video? I didn't zoom in on it, no, but I heard him laughing, laughing like going ape shit when it was happening. Did you watch it? Yeah, it's such a wacky video. It's like crazy The guy stops and like doesn't quite stop his car that well So the cop like has a second to be like alright something weird is happening here

And that's kind of how I guess he was able to prepare a little bit because he didn't catch him You massively off guard like he did a bit and luckily for him and his training or just however he did it he was able to kind of position himself but man he didn't have a lot of time. He could have one wrong step, one wrong move and this guy would have been on him and it was just a dude like stopping his car in a traffic stop running at a cop with a hatchet. Crazy. What was that other thing they showed? I can't remember if it was before or after what you just mentioned with the hatchet, but it was the power plant that got targeted.

Oh yeah, like a bunch of what sounds like pretty highly trained individuals went and fucked up a power plant. Right. And it just, it goes to show how, what was Joe talking about, how he couldn't sleep the night before this pod because he was thinking about weird shit like what would, you know, what would screw up the human race quickly. You know, the fastest thing that would screw us is just getting, getting rid of all electricity. Yeah, he had jock itch.

So it kept him up because he was sweaty. And then because he's like uncomfortable and can't sleep, his mind immediately goes to how quickly the fabric of society will fall to pieces, which I think in different ways, we all kind of do though, right? We all kind of sit there and start, if you can't sleep, you usually do end up like worrying about stuff that you have very little control over and you're like adding worry to problems that aren't even that big of a deal, but it just happens, you know, cause you're kind of irritated and you can't sleep.

But he makes some good points It's like if kovat showed us anything or like the big storm they had down in Texas You know Joe gives the example like oh the power goes out for a week, dude If the power went out for a week people would start to fall the pieces pretty quickly. Yeah No, it's it's just reasonable it just would happen and then the people you would notice that don't are people that really kind of are more off the grid and isolated and have workarounds. But to even say, oh, the answer is a bunch of generators, it's like, well, if the power's

out, dude, you're going to run out of fuel real fast too. Like all of that shit's going to happen. Yeah, it's definitely scary to think about. It reminds me of, you know, if we ran, you know the rubber trees, what are those in like Kuala Lumpur or something in, you know, the Pacific somewhere? Sri Lanka.

Is it in Sri Lanka? Sri Lanka has a lot of rubber. Yeah. So if those trees were to get diseased, have you heard this? Like if those trees were to get diseased, we would be out of rubber and it would completely crash the entire aeroplane industry. Just gone. Really? Yeah because they have to have

real rubber. You cannot make a synthetic rubber that is strong enough for airplanes. It's absolutely impossible. From what this documentary was talking about. Yeah so if like those rubber trees were to get some sort of you know bug or disease it it reminded me of that because what are you what are you gonna do I mean people need to travel yeah I mean it there would be a bunch of things like that I mean when you don't have an alternative and you're relying on nature and nature in if it's very specific to like just One type of tree that could get infected. I mean, yeah, we could be in big trouble I mean we almost are right with with what's going on with wheat and Ukraine and that you know export of

Wheat, I like I didn't know that so much wheat came from one place. It's like we really need to be spreading out all these resources because it starts to show what happens if one place closes down and we're like, I'm sorry guys, this is where we get all the hats from. And now we're like, we have no hats? No hats for anyone. Are they just saying that though? I mean, I feel like when they say the Putin price hike on the gas and this and that, there's more to it than just Putin. Okay. That's just an excuse in my mind for corporations to Jack a bunch of shit up. I mean, probably who, who knows what there is to it. Like, right. It's like, yeah, we're

doing our best trying to figure this out, but it that's why we shotgun Bud lights boy It's why you got a shotgun a Bud light at least every now and again and on special occasions like this pod We really should have saved one for it out of respect It was great that Jamie joined in with that and shotgun to beer. I don't remember him ever doing that in the podcast. I Had never seen it. What a ledge. Yeah, ledge and then Yeah, and finishing up just again with Ari puking Pretty much his guts out bless him worth worth a watch

Yeah, a real mess a real mess and he did he didn't listen to Rogan at all Rogan was like don't throw up in here He's like no, I won't and still did like he just I love him because he just doesn't give a shit But poor Rogan he was like damn it those poor guys Those poor guys would be hung over for freaking six days after that one No doubt All right, let's jump over to Mike judge This podcast is brought to you by Elysium at TryBasis.com. NAD plus products have been touted to me for many years and after trying Elysium's NAD

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And I don't know if you remember, like, back in the day, I mean, I was living in England when Beavis and the Butt came out, but it really was, like, ridiculously revolutionary. I think the show started out where it was them watching music videos, and then they would kind of, like, talk about it in in between But they were always good music videos and it kind of expanded into its own episodes and own series But it was just such a wild show Dude, I have fond memories of Beavis and Butthead both Mm-hmm corn. Holy Oh was was Come on, then who was Butthead? I am the cornhole Leo was was beavis but head was what?

something about No, I can't remember what what but heads Nickname was because beavis was I am the oh, I am the part of area. I have TP for me bunghole Such a and the other guy just like chuckled a lot. They were just ridiculous. Yeah, he just chuckled. And it was brilliant. It was brilliant. And we all kind of knew people like that too, in a way. We're like, yeah, you're basically beavers about head.

I mean, at least at your high school, you knew a couple of people that you were like, yeah, that's them. For sure. I mean, it was stupid humor, man, but it worked and it was new. It was fresh. You know, it was a cartoon. People love cartoons. You can say whatever you want with a cartoon, which is great.

Look at South Park. South Park is insane. And Beavis and Butthead was... Was that before South Park? Or was it right around the same time? I can't remember. No. It was before. Yeah, it was before.

I think South Park was like 97 he was about it was around in the early 90 for yeah pretty sure 94 yeah about that so it kind of got in there early I mean you can you can just get away with murder on cartoons because it's it's not real people so anything can happen to them. And also next week you can just bring them back fine. Like none of the plot needs to line up. You can just go nuts with it. Well they said that- I mean how many times did they kill Kenny and nobody was ever like, hey that doesn't

make sense. So they said the new movie Beavis and Butthead 2 just came out, right? Yesterday? What's today? Mm-hmm. Just came out no a few days ago on June 24th so we're gonna have to go watch that. Paramount Plus. So yeah that's pretty radical I'm glad he got the rights to it back it sounded like Mike Judge figured out a way to get 50% of Beavis and Butthead back after basically selling the whole thing It just seems like MTV was like such a shit show to work with early on well, dude

What did he say they were gonna be a penny ass? 18,000 bucks or something he sold it for and you know he was young he didn't know any better, but that's crazy Yeah, I mean when you're super broke, maybe 18,000 bucks is a good deal. True. That can change lives. And you know, what was this in the early 90s? I mean, what would that be the equivalent

of maybe like 50 grand? That could do a lot for a completely broke artist and director. True, I mean, what? He was probably in his 20s at that point, right? Oh, no doubt. Yeah. I mean, dude, but like Office Space, I mean, to me, Office Space is one of the top 10 movies

of all time. It's so good. It's so good. I wish you would have talked about it more. I was like curious to hear more about it. Honestly, yeah. He just said it was difficult. It was hard to make, low budget, like a real struggle. If you guys haven't seen that, to definitely go and watch Office Space. I mean,

it's just brilliant. It's so fucking good. I mean, Idiocracy is equally as good in its own way. I mean I wouldn't say it's it's it they're different right? They're two different. I don't even know if they compare I mean they're both hilarious but in my mind dude like office space just like hits a chord with me more because I I just know what it's like to be in an office and how much it sucks and it he just he just fucking crushes every little skit that they do I mean it's just perfect when they're like smashing the printer and it's like die

motherfucker die motherfucker kill so good and he's like driving to work he's driving to work and listening to fucking rap and he he like pulls up to some like some dude and rolls up the window and turns down the the music because he's all scared because he's like this dorky white Dude listening to fucking gangster rap I mean it definitely highlights how such shitty life can be When you work in a cubicle job. I mean it does it better than anything else. It's like something we all knew You know, but nobody ever talked about and it was kind of like the revenge of that It's like if one day you just went in and were like I am sick of this life. I don't even care anymore

I'm just doing whatever I want and because it's corporate too. It's like they couldn't just fire him run away they even started to like actually like him and respect him and want to know his views on things. He like inadvertently became like a bit of a leader of the office. Because he didn't give a fuck. It was great. Yeah. Yeah.

They were like, wow, you seem pretty confident. We want to know how you do this. What you're thinking. And he tapped into some fun stuff on that movie for sure. Yeah, for sure, man. I was definitely. I don't remember it. They talked about that more, but yeah, go ahead No, but I don't I don't remember a lot of idiocracy. I remember enjoying it, but I just don't a hundred percent Remember like a ton of the I mean the plot to it other than like the world was all fucked up and he went into the future And they had like ridiculous shit like instead of water out of the fountains

It was like Gatorade or energy power or something Yeah, it was Gatorade for sure and I think the biggest thing well at least what Joe was going over with with Mike Judge was talking about which is a scary thought because I think it's already happening is that smart people aren't procreating. And so you got all these dumb motherfuckers that are having like six, seven, eight kids, you know, with no education and then like, you know, these super smart, you know, more educated individuals are deciding not to have children and that, I think that's kind of the basis behind Idiocracy. That's kind of the thought behind it is that we are moving towards that as we speak.

Mm-hmm. I mean, it's entirely possible. But at the same point, maybe that's kind of always how it's been you know because people maybe even way in the past well maybe people away in the past like they get busy they get successful they start working really hard and they don't they just don't have the time for kids I mean obviously there was less contraception in the past so people were just popping them out whenever they pop them out. But you could imagine that there could be like a similar process that happens.

I mean, I'm going to call bullshit. Think about, well, but think about people that are like more connected to politics of the past. They have a, this is before like newspapers, before the internet, before a lot of information is traveling. And if they're well connected, they're like the mayor of a town or they're just in business or politically connected, they have a broader idea of what's going on nationally and globally just through their network of people they know.

And life is hard. Maybe there's difficult times and they're thinking, you know what? This really isn't the time to be doing it. But if you just live in like a smaller village, you're a farmer, you need a bunch of people to work on your farm, you're like, right, we gotta pop out kids, that's number one. So we have workers and we don't really know what the hell is going on around us. But we seem to have just about enough food. So let's keep making more kits. Well, there you go, buddy. You have summed up the reason why our nation is getting dumber and dumber. Thank you. Are we sure that's happening now?

I don't know if people are getting dumber. I don't know if people are getting dumber, but, you know, I think sometimes politics are going backwards. But, you know, idiocracy, if you watch the movie, I mean, similar things are happening in 2022 and that's, that's a scary thought. You know, like it's, it's a scary thought to think, uh, you know,

that people would be stoked about Gatorade coming out of the drinking fountains. And I think a lot of people would be stoked about Gatorade coming out of the drinking fountains And I think a lot of people would be stoked about that right right now. Oh Dude talking about that. I just saw this new release drink And I don't know if you've seen it Mountain Dew is coming out with an like an alcoholic version Oh boy, like selling it how many how many carbs in that bad boy? It actually said zero sugars. So it's like a white claw, it's like zero calorie, but it's obviously Mountain Dew infused, which God knows what kind of chemicals they're using.

And I think they were like 5%. Wow. Well, you've seen those kids in the South with all their teeth missing because they drink Mountain Dew every day. You've seen some of those reality shows. Looking for the ultimate online casino experience? Step into the BetMGM Casino app, where every deal, spin and goal brings Las Vegas excitement into the palm of your hand. Take your seat at Premium Blackjack Pro,

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We'll bring some to the stuud. All right, we'll try them out. We shotgun one just to see what it does. See how much energy we get. So what else did you get from Mr. Mike Judge? I was hoping for more out of Mike because he's a hilarious dude Yeah, he's he's not like the most kind of exciting inspiring Podcaster I mean you you want to be a fan of him in order to kind of sit through

the whole conversation. Which happens I mean it's probably the same with a lot of our podcasts I mean it just is how it is but yeah he was he had his stories but he I don't know maybe just didn't seem like he was all that kind of pumped to be there or maybe that's just how he always is. I know I've heard him on Rogan before, I don't remember how he was but yeah he just kind of it's like a very calm and chill conversation and I think Joe kind of had to work hard to pull out some interesting points from him. Yeah yeah I mean I wanted to hear a little bit more about the movies he's done and the movie he currently just put out that would have been sweet.

I mean they talked about pigs for a while. That was cool learning about pigs like what did it say after two months if you take a domestic pig and let it go run free in the wild after two months it basically starts becoming a boar Yeah, that's so weird that was crazy Yeah, like what the fuck if everything did that Like your dog runs away for a couple of months and like changes color and grows horns. This becomes a wall like what I Know right every dope actually Like what I know right every dope actually

Yeah, I'll be dope all right, let's rock on over to Ryan Holiday this guy know you've read his books or at least one of them. I have one of them I think the same one right the ego. What's the ego ego is the enemy? I came out and I think like 2017 great book I would definitely recommend that book and now after listening to him I I'm definitely gonna get a few more of his books. I didn't realize he had written so many dude that what a smart dude for what? He's like 35 He dude he was excellent on this part I mean you I haven't heard him on other things but you can tell that it's not just about how smart he is. It's like well-spoken. He had examples almost all the time. Anytime Joe contradicted him, which he got him a couple of times, um, with, you know, oh,

that doesn't quite line up with me, but he took it well. He didn't try and defend it. He was just like, oh yeah, no, that, yeah, that kind of makes sense. And then he would just go into whatever his point was as well. Yeah, totally. Good listener. Good listener and speaker. I liked him. I liked him a lot.

He was excellent. And great, I mean, he's the kind of person I could listen to a bunch. I could imagine like him, you know, I often think of that Like people do those speaking tours, you know, like Jordan Peterson will do them and like Ben Shapiro goes around and does it and I often wonder like who of those people if they came to town would I Care to go see that's not really my cup of tea. Anyway, it's not like Ted Ted Ted talks could be in town and I probably wouldn't go to him. I just feel like it would be pretty stuffy, a lot of waiting around and just,

I wouldn't care that much. Um, but he's someone I would go listen to. I'd be curious to hear what he had to say. And I just like his style of communication. It was pretty good. He didn't sound like a false, you know, self-help guru guy to me. No, not at all. I mean, I think he, you know, being the stoic, I mean, he obviously is obsessed with, you know, Marcus Aurelius and Epictetus, all these old, you know, older, kind of philosophical, but also, you know, I mean, rulers at the time, emperors, right? I mean, Marcus Aurelius was an emperor, but he was a very different kind of emperor. I was really interested in hearing about interested in hearing about

How much you know different Marcus Aurelius was compared to other emperors of that time and if not of all time Yeah You know it just seems so unusual to me that somebody with all that power could be so Introspective I wonder if there was a point where he's like, okay, I'm taking over from this other guy. That guy completely abused all of his power and was a complete mess and did horrible things and thought that it was okay.

And then they kind of trapped themselves because like once you become pretty terrible, it's probably hard to change it. And somehow he steps into that role and says, no, I'm going to be kind of hard-lined in the other direction. Not to say he didn't have fun and allow that power to give him luxuries and other things, but it seems like he was very careful about how he oriented himself in that space and I other than the motivation of like ultimately it's like the right thing to do and will probably

result in you behaving the best possible way you could I don't know what the motivation would be you know it's almost like catching the catching the train instead of taking a private jet somewhere. You know when you see those videos of like Keanu Reeves on the underground, on the tube in New York and like gives up his seat for people and you're like, why doesn't he have like a limo driving him around? Because Keanu just chooses not to. Keanu is fucking awesome.

I would say, I mean this is my personal opinion here, but just like Abraham Lincoln, they talked about Abe, honest Abe, they talked about Teddy Roosevelt. I mean, these people are just different, man. They come around every once in a while. He obviously had a different thought. He was more of a go-giver. He, you know, he had a lot of strife happen. I mean, the poor guy lost seven kids.

Yeah. Jesus. I mean, that had to have changed his perspective on life just a little bit, you'd think. Um, now I don't know the timeline on, on losing those children, but I mean, good God, just losing one kid, I can't even, I can't even fathom that. I imagine losing seven.

I know times were different. What was this in AD 1500 or is it 150? Oh, like 150. AD 150. Yeah. I mean, we're talking about... 1500 is like Shakespeare. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm way off. Yeah. AD 150. I mean, back then people were dying left and right, right? I mean, but seven kids that's just crazy Yeah, so maybe that was part of that or Maybe he started this process earlier and just kind of knew to tap into this I don't really know. I mean he had an asshole kid so it doesn't all work out. I mean maybe you become so

understanding and thoughtful that your kids could just like take advantage of you and Still vie for the power and corruption in the same way. I mean It's hard to know like it's a rough one too because like even Joe said like I wonder He goes it is weird that like these great people that existed had terrible kids. And then Ryan was like, yeah, maybe they're busy and they don't get to spend time with their kids. I don't know, maybe both of those are right. But also maybe it's just that, you know, I don't know, sometimes you just get bad kids. I mean, I don't want to believe that if you develop this really compassionate way of thinking, it often also leads to you having terrible kids. I mean, I don't want to believe that if you develop this really compassionate

way of thinking, it often also leads to you having terrible kids. That is like, well, wait a second then. Well, what is the best way to behave? Should the book be called Be a Little Bit Like a Stoic, but Not Too Much, otherwise your kids are assholes. I mean when he said that I thought of you know the the schedule of somebody that important I mean you have to make time for your children if you don't then you might end up with a little asshole. I mean how do you make time for your kids when you're an emperor? I don't know never been an emperor but I'm sure it's not that easy. No, you got to outsource some stuff for sure. But you got to put the time aside. I mean,

look at the shit that Joe does. Three jobs, always on the go. And even when people ask him, like he said, he was talking to his mom and his mom said, Joe, you're always so busy. And he's like, mom, it's a bit of a trick. Like one, I enjoy it. And I think he has like his quote unquote non-negotiables. He's like, yeah, in the morning I drive my kids to school. Like there is no contract, no amount of money and no obligation that we'll get in that way. It's like he carves it out. And it's not like it necessarily gets in the way of these other things that he needs to do to be successful.

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BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. Lazyacy dude. I don't know. This is our assumption. We're like, yeah, you should have worked harder. I thought the really one of the best quotes I heard from Ryan was, well, it wasn't from Ryan. He was quoting Epictetus saying that the chief task in life is separating things that are in your control from what's outside your control.

And I thought that was just brilliant. And it goes into so much of what we see today of like all this shit news that we watch and the social media and it's like choose what you can control. And it's such a simple thing that will absolutely make you feel so much better. Right? And it takes constant reminder too. It's like you'll hear something on the news and you'll let it bug you all day. And it really does take a moment to be like, there is nothing I can do about this right now.

And now all it's done is like creep into your life, bug you, change your like mood while interacting with everybody that you interact with that day. And you're like, oh, the only thing I can actually change or control is like how I come into every space, you know, whether it was with your wife or your kids or your patients with others or even strangers that you meet and It does it like it's so difficult to remind you of that. I like to get worked up about shit I read all the time and it's like this has no bearing on my life. Yeah, you can't even bother about this right, and it was he was saying I can't remember if it was Joe or Ryan was saying that you're

avoiding your own personal struggles by watching the news and you're basically starting fires with other shit that you cannot control. And you're just like, you feel like you're in control by watching the news or you feel like you're you know helping in some sort of weird way even though you're not and it's like taking up all this time and energy when really all these things are out of your control and you're avoiding your own personal struggles. I really related to that a lot because I try so hard not to Get too worked up over the over the news Maybe ignorance is bliss absolutely

Circumstances in some you know people like to people like to say that they're being they're like no no It's grown up and it's responsible and you want to be well informed and that's that's like the quotation I'm not sure about because I'm like wait a second how informed are you because how much of this do you know to be truthful in fact like you want that you didn't gather the information obviously we have to outsource some of it because you can't you can't only gather all your information Yourself on a global scale that would be impossible. So you got to find some trusted sources, but too much of that is Going on to where you just do see like we all have friends like this where they're worked up about something

They want to tell you all about it. They're like, that needs to change, that's annoying. And then you look at them and you're like, dude, you missed work twice this week. Your house is a mess. Right. Like you didn't go to the gym. It's like, you're not even taking care of yourself. How are you planning on like saving something on the other side of the world? This doesn't make any sense to me.

Well and it's all such click bait. I mean, they were talking about how everything is such click bait journalism nowadays that it doesn't even, it doesn't even account or, or it doesn't even count for as news in my mind. It's not even news. It's just fucking click bait and it gets you to click on it and you, you read it, a five minute thing and most people won't even read the whole thing anyways and it just gets people worked up.

And that's the point of it and this is a new thing. And you know, they were talking about that book from the 80s, it was called Abuse Ourself to Death. Do you remember that? How the TV was like social media back then? I'd like to get my hands on that book because that was interesting to me to just, every society, you know, every generation basically, we have this new form of media, whether it was the printing press back in the day or then it's the TV and now it's internet and

social media there's always something so there's got to be you know there's a good and a bad to that right I mean there's it's all there's always something that we can bitch about but there's I feel like nowadays these things come in cycles yeah yeah but people like to do that. They like to say, Oh, this is new and this just happened. And, but they even brought up about how they used to sell newspapers when it was like, you know, extra, extra read all about it times. It was like getting your attention as you get off the train, but you've got four choices and these young kids selling these newspapers and they had to have

kind of click-baity headlines to get you to buy them. It wasn't until the subscriptions came in and then the Wall Street Journal knew they had 20 million people every week buying this that they could just do stories that weren't as click-baity in a sense. They weren't as... Yeah, the headlines weren't as catchy. I get it. Yeah, because they were like, well, they're reading anyway.

And then once that faded out, it was back to the internet and now they got to do it again. It's like whatever grabs your attention and it's always the scariest thing. And so often we've seen it where it's like you read the article It's like broccoli will kill you and you read it and it's like if you eat Four pounds of it and don't chew and it's like well, yeah Why did I even read this like duh? So but I just wasted five minutes. Thank you Yeah, well again you you're wasting your time on something that's out of your control Adam. You shouldn't do that. I know but I get bored. Well. And I think

I want to be informed. I think it might be something I'll talk about in the podcast and all I do is just get another shitty example of like damn it. Well, that's what happened. What we should talk about is the amount of books that Ryan gave to Joe at the end there. I mean, how awesome was that? He gave him like 12 books or something. It was so great. I wrote a list down of a few of them that I want to read. And he had the art of war, or excuse me, the war of art on there, Steven Pressfield, that's my homie. Legend. there, Steven Pressfield, that's, that's my homey. Um, but also, I mean, meditations, they talked about that, you know, throughout the entire podcast, which I have not read by Marcus Aurelius, and they talked about

the version that was, um, you know, the English version that the translated version that was more modern. I can't remember the name on that one. It was, it was like a Richard something. Um, the Teddy Roosevelt thing was badass. What was, what was he saying about Teddy? I have this written down here. Oh yeah. He went down like some river in the Amazon or something. Yeah. He was like the first dude that documented going down the river in the Amazon. Yeah if you guys want a full book list too go to

the Instagram page Jerry companion Joe often puts it in his stories and it's a great Instagram but they they have like a on their page they have like a slideshow of all the books that Ryan recommended which is a really cool thing resource just for like having them all in one place. Yeah, that the Genghis Khan book was in there. I don't know if it was a biography about Genghis Khan. God, he had a ton.

Well didn't he say he owned a bookstore? So that like, I think if he didn't own a bookstore, that would have been a bit much. I would have been like, all right, dude, like you're trying to educate Rogan and like slow down. But the fact that he's such an avid reader and I trusted what he was saying about the books just because of how he was speaking the whole time, uh, I, like, I'm really keen. Like I think that that list of books, if you can get through, I don't know, I

don't know how long that would take. It was like 12 books, but maybe a couple of years. It will probably really improve your life for sure. I mean, I trust the guy dude. He was wearing an Iron Maiden shirt under his blazer. We're buddies. Yeah, that was him showing that he's cool, but also smart. Good dress code. He obviously thought about

that. I love that they played my favorite British comedy sketch of all time. Oh God. Are We the Baddies? I knew you would love that one. Well Mitchell and Webb really was, I mean back in the day we've had some really good comedy sketch shows in England but it's very like English style it's hard to sometimes relate it over to American audiences like showing my friends and like sometimes they get it sometimes they're missing something through a bit of the

Changing translation, I guess you could say but Mitch Mitch on web has some great skits They used to have all of their show on Netflix, but it's gone now. But that baddies one is just brilliant. I mean, it's just such a good hilarious eye-opener to like perspective. You know, we can often think we're on the right side of things and it's not till you take a really humble

step back, which kind of honestly, almost no one does in a lot of ways because it just takes so much awareness But I mean just brilliant skulls on your cap skulls everywhere and they still didn't realize they were the bad guys That was a good that was a good skit. That was a good skit. What did what did you think? Right at the end there. He was talking about Jimmy Carter who as a president, you know, he was, he was what in the military academy, they said he graduated what at like 38 years old, I think. And then he was, was it he was getting offered a job somewhere or he was at a job interview. And

I wrote this down about the guy that he was interviewing with. He must've been some Colonel or something, some, some dude high up in ranking, um, asked Jimmy Carter, did you do your best? And he, and he said, you know, well, no, I probably could have done better. And the guy just walked out of the, out of the room. It's something that he said about that. Like, did you leave anything on the table, right? Like that's such a huge thing.

Like if we can only do our best, that's all you can do. Yeah, but when you're, like let's say you have a job or you're in an office space or whatever and you know you're in the top like two or 3%, just having that information could be enough for you to like just chill out a bit. And maybe that chilling out is useful. Maybe you've got other areas of your life you need to balance and bring some attention to. But maybe it's not that. Maybe it just really is an excuse to kind of be a bit lazy and a bit sloppy in some areas. And this

kernel that walked out is like all I'm looking for is people that No matter what no even if they placed a hundred which is like way behind where Jimmy Carter was if they said I did my best Like every day always it's like that drive is actually more important. It was a cool message I mean, I it makes you think right Yeah, I mean no matter If you like your job or not if you do your best at least you can feel good about it I guess is what I got out of it Yeah, or go do something that you are more inspired to do your best in like maybe it also meant that

Maybe that's not what you should have been doing Jimmy Carter because you didn't put it your all in so go find that and obviously became President so it worked out for him. I do appreciate his honesty though, you know being like I could have done I could have done a little bit better, you know, we could all do a little bit better. Yeah No doubt. No doubt. Well, that's it for this week. It was a combination of the wildest podcast with some of the most thought provoking ones too. I hope you guys enjoyed it too and we'll look forward to whoever the hell we have next week. What is it now? It's Tuesday. We haven't had any releases But I feel like he needs to get Elon back on pretty soon. Come on, baby. We gotta Yeah, we got to get caught up

We need I want some of Elon's input into like what's happening with the economy with the oil Like what the heck is is going on right now. She's too expensive. Let's get Billy. Let's get Billy Gates on here Come on, now. She's too expensive Billy. Let's get Billy Gates on here. Come on, Joe. Oh Billy he get torn to pieces by road. I would love that It would be good. It would be good. Well, anyway, thank you Todd as always and thank you guys but remember to check out our website Jerry review comm for new information and stuff popping up and Love you as always. Thanks stuff popping up and love you as always thanks guys peace and love