Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 419 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Mark Zuckerberg

Episode Date: January 14, 2025

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Please gamble responsibly. If you have questions or concerns about your gambling or someone close to you perhaps expand a little bit We are not associated with Joe Rogan in any way think of us as the talking dead to Joe's walking dead You're listening to the Joe Rogan experience review. What a bizarre thing we've created now with your host Adam Thorne This might either be the worst podcast or the best one of all time One go enjoy the show I was really worried from the beginning about basically becoming this sort of decider of what is true in the world. That's kind of a crazy position to be in for billions of people using your service.

So we tried to put in place a system that would deal with it. And early on, tried to basically make it so that it was really limited. We were like, all right, we're just going to have this system where there's these third-party fact checkers, and they can check the worst of the worst stuff.

So things that are very clear hoaxes, that it's not like we're not parsing speech about whether something is slightly true or slightly false like earth is flat you know things like that right? So that was sort of the original intent. We put in place the system and it just sort of veered from there. I think to some degree it's because some of the people whose job is to do fact-checking a lot of their industry is focused on political fact-checking So they're just kind of veered in that direction and we kept on Trying to to basically get it to be what we had originally intended was just

There you go. That is Mark Zuckerberg Discussing with Rogan the problem with fact-checking on. And that has been the big topic this week, or maybe it was the previous week, for Metta and Facebook, is that they are, you know, Zuckerberg announced that he's moving away from fact checking. Huge.

Yeah, big news. And this episode, Rogan episode was really interesting. I was really tuned in the whole time. I wanted to see what he was going to say about that and everything else kind of going on in his world, in the tech world right now in terms of content you know, content moderation and things like that. Yeah, I think it's fascinating. I mean, one, you know, social media is such a big part of everybody's life.

Yeah. You are so many people's lives. Mine especially. He runs, you know, we're using WhatsApp every day. I always use it. Yeah. On Instagram, for sure. I barely look at Facebook, but I mean, he's, he's in charge of all of those things.

Big deal. Not only that, he's one of the wealthiest people in the world and really quite young. So it's fascinating. Like he, he, as an individual, along with others, but the select few are going to probably kind of sculpt a lot of the future for most people. The way that we see content or interact with anything online, it's like it's fascinating to kind of see in the mind of a person like this. Also, let's say Zuckerberg's transformation. This is really Zuck 2.0, you could say.

I mean, he came across more polished this time, more relatable. He was just, he was a different person. The Zuckerberg that came on the Rogan the first time, I think he did well, right? People, I don't think, expected him to be quite as personable. It was like, oh, he's not quite this robot that we've all seen. This super awkward robot.

Still a bit awkward, but like he's a bit more relatable. He's doing some cool things. And this time around, almost like a totally different guy. And Rogan brought that up a few times. Not just that physically, he's looking stronger because he's doing a lot of martial arts training and working out. But, you know, look at it.

He's got like the little pendant around his neck, you know, black t-shirt. He's just, he's mixing it up. And I think some of this coincides, like you could call this like a rebranding, you know, like maybe you went to like a, a stylist and they were like, yeah, you need to do this if you want to be cool. Or it was, this is like this natural progression of him being like, Hey, I'm, I don't want to be controlled.

I don't want the white house telling me how to run my company, you know, putting pressure on me I don't want these fact checkers that are a mess and all over the place like, you know telling us what we can show You know, I'm just I'm being a bit of a rebel doing some jiu-jitsu Which to be fair his board wasn't even happy with they were worried about that Yeah, because he could injure himself and he's like, okay Well, he did he talked about that. Yeah. Because he could injure himself. And he's like, fuck it. Well, he did. He talked about it.

Yeah, he had his knee. Yeah. I mean, a very obvious trend that we see with billionaires that as they become more wealthy and more popular and, you know, kind of more aware about, you know, what their money can do for them, I guess. They become more on trend, they get in better shape, they start to look healthier and act different. His communication skills were evolved, like you said, like 2.0 version of Mark.

And in a good way. Yeah. Like a positive 2.0, I'd say. I think physically and mentally, he was like a very, he seemed like he was in a much better place than he probably has been at any point in his life. He talked a little bit about his family and his kids and, you know, even joked that, you know, even though he's looking to have a very, very busy year coming up with, you know, what's all to come with AI in 2025. His wife is like, you need to get back to fighting right, right away.

Right. You're nicer to be around. You're better to be around. Well, it's, but it's very true though. I mean, you know, you haven't known me while I was very consistently training jujitsu and being on it a lot plus any MMA training that I was doing, I'm far calmer. Like I'm a far happier person and much, much calmer. And I think that's the same for pretty much everybody that trains like that. I think hard, intense training, and he said it very well, it makes when you do something really hard

first thing in the morning, he says he trains like every day for like two hours in the morning, some form or another, whether it's you know practicing jujitsu or some type of MMA and then or like weight training and things, that the rest of the day does not seem quite so difficult. Everything else seems a bit easy. That's really the best example of what it does for sure. I mean it look, life's hard and it's coming at you. You can't hide away from it. Like you think you could be in a bubble and you'd be okay, you'd just be an anxious mess, you can't.

So in a sense, it's like, well, you can take control of that by choosing your hard. You choose what's hard, start the day with some really tough stuff, and other things are just a bit more chill. Well back to really why I assume Zuckerberg came on, he wasn't really pushing a product, talking about the fact checkers thing and kind of explaining his end of what went on. So really there was a lot of pressure during COVID. He's seen some pressure from the White House when it came to the Hunter Biden stuff. And I don't know exactly where fact checkers

played the role in that, but they definitely were biased with certain answers during COVID. And ultimately he wants to move, you know, he was seeing is like Orwellian, 1984, like this dystopian future of total censorship and control and you know, horrible stuff. It's like, he's like, it's kind of, was getting there. And he's really pushed back in a big way, he's shown a lot of strength. And I think that speaks to why he's having someone

like Dana White on his board. I mean, that's such left field for people to be like, wait, who's on the board? Yeah. But their relationship's been getting stronger. Dana's known as being not only an incredible entrepreneur, a very smart business person, but also unbelievably loyal as a friend, as somebody that is, this is why Trump always has him at the rallies

and things. It's not like Dana was very political. He just represents the type of people that Trump is like, he's a really good dude. And not only that, he's strong. He can take it. Like that's what Dana is all about. He doesn't mess around. He's not afraid of those fighters. You know, he stands up for himself and it's like,

I think Zuck's trying to get some of that. He wants to be around it. Tough guys. Yeah, I think you touched on it. Like as Mark sort of spends more time with people, it's like he almost sort of takes on qualities of theirs and like hobbies and interests of theirs. And it's happened, it seems like with Joe a little bit.

And they talked a bit, a little bit about like, ball hunting and things like that. And like you said, I bet next time he comes on, he's gonna pick up that hobby. Like, but I think it just, he's someone who's always had very unique niche interests with coding and computer science and technology and all of that. This podcast is brought to you by DraftKings Casino.

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It gives him this like outlet when he's around people that are so different from him and bring completely different things to the table in terms of friendship and companionship and you know, business savvy type things. But, you know, back to, you know, him, the the censorship piece of this podcast, I think it's really obvious people have lost trust in the system, put it forth for fact checking like that happened real quick. He made the comment about, you know, it's like you can't like yell fire in a room when there's no fire, right?

Like you do want to censor what people are saying when there's an emergency situation. So he touched on in COVID. They have a place for sure. In COVID when everything first went down and no one knew what was happening. And it was like, he was like, oh, for sure. In COVID, when everything first went down and no one knew what was happening, and he was like, oh, all we need is two weeks to slow the spread, and we want to minimize

misinformation to kind of get there. Two weeks is one thing. But then it turned into months and years, and all of the bullshit that came with the lies, the misinformation around vaccines, coming from people trying to limit, trying to censor information coming out on these platforms. Like it was all so ass backwards.

But this whole him sort of stepping up and saying, we fucked up. I wish we had done it differently. We are gonna do it differently from here on. I definitely think it's gonna improve the public perception of Metta and of Mark and of the company itself. Well, I think he saw what Elon did.

Like, look, they've had their beef, right? But it's just kind of like fucking around online saying they're gonna fight each other. It was never gonna happen. They probably both have a ton of respect for each other for sure. And I think that Mark is like, admires what Elon did. That risk of buying Twitter.

Like to be fair, Mark is rich. I don't think he's rich enough to buy it. Like he is, like he has 140 billion or whatever, but he's not putting that chunk, a 44 billion chunk, into something that immediately is worth like a quarter of what he bought it for. But what Elon did with it, and then created this thing called Community Notes, where the whole community can chime in,

or people that are, I guess, certified, or I'm not sure how you qualify for that, but you know, you get to speak on something and be like, yeah, that's actually factual or this isn't true and this is why. And then it creates an average and you just get a more truthful, reliable answer that, in a sense, works for more people. It's a better system than the fact checkers. Yeah, I mean, the obvious fear of like taking away the fact checking is that the amount of misinformation could spike in this good bad fire.

Listen, the bullshit will go up. But he makes the point that it's like, okay, you either have a system in place that's like shutting everything down or almost everything. And then you get none of the content that you don't want on your system. Or you leave it open to be like, ah, we only shut 20% of the very worst of it down.

And then a lot of the rest of it is just chaos and noise. But really that's an open forum. That's the town square. People are all yelling and social media can be like that. It's not dangerous like people think. These elements of free speech can be in there. People will make their own minds and if something is too dangerous then these systems will sort it out and weed it out. Yeah, I mean it was just so eye opening to hear about the pressure firsthand from him.

I mean, obviously he admitted he wasn't working directly with the White House correspondents basically that are saying you need to suppress this anti-vaccine content. But there- It wasn't like Biden was texting him. No, it wasn't that. He's obviously more on the development and management side, but he, you know, he made some really interesting examples. Like they even wanted him to take down them to, to censor humor and comedy about like funny memes. Yeah. Memes. And he's like, we're not doing that. Like why would we,

that's, that's, you know, satire and sarcasm and humor. Like, we're not censoring this. Like, things that people say, like with conviction and the people who have a following and people maybe historically, like, accepted as like, you know, truth seekers and people that bring the truth forward and information, you know, informational platforms,

news platforms, things like that. Yes, I do think people need to, like, those sources need to be looked at closely to make sure that they aren't inciting, you know, an inappropriate amount of upset, you know, rage or fear or, you know, emotions from anyone unnecessarily. But when it comes to like humor, it's like, that's what these platforms are for. It's for entertainment.

It's not like, it is becoming more mainstream in terms of like the amount of 3.2 billion users daily on a meta platform. Like that's as mainstream as you're gonna get, but it's made for entertainment. It's made for communication. It's made for communication. It's made for with your friends and your family and things like that.

It's not, he didn't. Yeah, look, it's become a lot of things. It's definitely a place for humor. I mean, this is where memes are coming from. They're hilarious. This is what memes rule Instagram. For sure. They're incredible.

We're not looking at people on vacation. The memes rule Instagram for sure. They're incredible. We're not looking at people on vacation. I don't even look at my friends' pictures of anything. It's like, I just don't. It's like people would just send me hilarious memes and I'm like, this is all I live for when I open this app. It's great. I tag you in photos all the time.

You never accept. I just don't have time babe. I can't look at this. Okay, all right. I'm just kidding. have time babe, I can't look at this. All right. I'm just kidding. But you know, that's exactly what it is. And I think that's what was happening with Zuckerberg when he was watching the government say,

hey, COVID serious, we gotta do this. And just like you said, the time expanded and then all of a sudden they wanna shut down. So, you know, he's showing cooperation, but cooperation quickly turned into coercion, which is bad. You know, they want to shut down memes, for example. He's like, how is this stopping anything? And then all of a sudden, really,

the White House went from having an ally in social media to now having someone that doesn't trust. None of them. Yeah, they don't trust. But that's the thing, the relationship of the new administration, Trump has a relationship with Elon, obviously. I'm sure he's going to make one with Zuck, and because Zuckerberg knows Trump's not going to tell him what to put on his thing or what to shut down in his social media, which to be fair is in stark contrast to what

a lot of people think Trump is. They think he's the one that wants to shut everything down, control everything. And it's like, wait a minute, why do these guys think he's okay? I mean, it does bring up a lot of questions about you know and highlights like the the like fine line that companies like Metta and X walk, you know in terms of like things that the government demands a government expects like regulation from the federal government and you know expectations even when it comes down to like Trump and Elon's relationship, right? Like that could completely fall apart.

It could get, they could get closer. They could completely fall apart also. And they could backfire. I'm praying they hold it together. Whether you're a fan of either of them or not, they're gonna do far better work working together than if anything goes wrong. Yeah, but the biggest thing is maintaining public trust.

Right. Like if you lose the trust of the public, which I feel like Facebook meta did through this whole fact checking thing, like I said before, Mark coming out and saying like, hey, I fucked up. If any CEO, founder, CEO, president comes out and just straight up says like, I messed up,

we're gonna take advice from someone who did it better and we're going to do it that way. Like I am a fan, I'm a user, like I'm a customer for life. Like I feel like then I can really trust them. Looking for the ultimate online casino experience? Step into the BetMGM Casino app, where every deal, spin and goal brings Las Vegas excitement into the palm of your hand.

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But trust goes a long way. It does. It's everything. And listen, even when I've been using Mark Zuckerberg's services since the beginning of Facebook, almost. I mean, I remember in like two, what was it, like 2004, using it at a community college I went to. And I remember looking at it and being like,

why are people using this? We got MySpace. Yeah. Because that had been around first. Yeah. But then all of a sudden only everyone is on Facebook. You know, I'm using Instagram all the time, have been, you know, since probably the 2016 on.

I didn't use it a ton before that, but you know, this whole time I was just still, not following Mark on Instagram. I didn't care what he was doing. And I was like, that guy's a weird billionaire. Now, I'm like, this is a different dude. I trust him. I love what he's doing. He doesn't sound like any sort of a sellout.

He sounds like he's really coming into his own. And I'm like, hey, I wanna follow his page. His 4th of July thing where he's in a tuxedo and he's surfing and I think has a beer like wakeboarding behind the, to I think, what is it like born in the USA or I don't know. It's just great. I'm like, good for you, dude.

Yeah, I mean, I remember creating my Facebook. I had to lie about my age. I think back in like 2007, I had to lie and say, I was however old you had to be 13 or something. I wasn't. I wasn't. And I, you know, I remember it just being so life-changing. I mean, I didn't have that many friends on it. Cause again, none of us are supposed to be.

I was a big MySpace user, right? I think, I don't know, did you have MySpace? Yeah, that was fun. But very quickly, it became like everything, you know, like an incident, then Instagram came out a couple years later. And then I spent like, you know, so much time on Instagram, totally lost And then I spent like, you know, so much time on Instagram, totally lost touch with everything on Facebook. But in recent years, like I really split my time between the two. And it's where I spend like all of my time on my phone besides baby monitor. Like that's where my screen time goes is those two apps. And I think it's really critical that this is happening now with everything that's coming out with AI,

them talking about the bots and all the potential for misinformation or for people engaging in a sort of, not criminal, but mischievous way on these platforms to put out public perception that isn't true. So that is obviously a concern when it comes to like community notes, the averages, basically the average of the information that's out there.

If there's a bunch of not real people putting stuff out there and like influencing the averages, that's an issue. But I'm excited for him to sort of be like this leader in the market of AI and social media and content creation and content moderation as well. I see him being the father of it, really, besides Elon. But even, you know, let's say that Elon and Zuckerberg start kind of like working together on their ideas instead of just being two separate companies. Like they're both very pro USA.

They want USA to win. I mean, Mark talked about it on this. When it came to AI, he's like, we want the USA to be ahead of this pro America, you know, coming together, running the two biggest social media services in the world, both have their own AI. I mean, teams work better. And that's a really cool thing to be a part of. I mean in a sense it's like there's room for Jeff Bezos to do that with Elon too. They both have

their space rocket program thing and it's like yeah I mean look America and Russians even when we were at tension with each other, were building the International Space Station and would like launch things from there, it's like, you can still work together and also kind of be a competitor. And that's a better way of doing it. Yeah, I mean, collaboration's gonna really drive

like better solutions for the the technology right like that's coming out and as it continues to evolve we're gonna need collaboration we're gonna need regulation we're gonna need people that are realistic and not you know we're gonna need leaders that are not greedy and that understand the gravity of what they've created yeah And they really, you know. Again. It's gonna be hard to find leaders that aren't greedy. Tell you that much.

Yeah, I agree with that. I think that, but that's where some, you know, like someone like Elon, like, you know, him. Maybe not just like overtly pieces of shit. That'd be nice. I'd take that. Yeah, I guess that's what I mean. But like with Elon buying Twitter,

knowing that he was going to overhaul it, I'm sure he knew, he's not an idiot, that he was gonna lose money. He probably knew that for sure. But I mean, it doesn't matter now, he's made so much more now. But like, it obviously went down in so much in value, but he felt like it was just,

he was felt so compelled to do what he thought was right, and he's kind of stuck with that. He led the way, it was a ballsy move. And everyone knows it was a ballsy move. And talking about what Mark can really do, now he's, I think, gaining people's trust, communicating better, coming across as a more real guy, a tougher dude, somebody that you could be like,

yeah, I could definitely hang out with that guy and he might be a bit of a badass. Which is, I would have never thought I'd say that in my lifetime. No offense, Mark, but sorry. And when he, Joe said, look, how many people use Meta? And I know it's big, but I never really put that together and he's like about 3.2 billion daily users.

Yeah. And it's just like. I mean, half a billion a month. I mean, five billion, sorry, a month. Yeah. That's that's over half the planet. Yeah. It's just mind-boggling.

I mean, that's unbelievable. Yeah. It's like literally everyone with internet is like, oh, I just got to check what Mark Zuckerberg's made this. I mean, the money he's printing, but it's not just that he's that rich. It's like the control potentially that he can have. It's like, my God, you want to trust the guy

that's in charge of that kind of power. And we're kind of getting there. I really enjoyed it. I mean, the dynamic between Joe and Mark this time around was so intriguing, appealing. They seem like buddies. They seem like buddies. And like you said at the beginning of this, like- And I think, Mark, I would say they both,

I don't want to say look up to each other. That's kind of, they definitely respect each other a lot. I think that there are elements about Joe that Zuckerberg does look up to. You know, his jujitsu for sure. His ability to communicate for sure. You know, that's something that Zuckerberg has always felt like he's not that great at. His conversation skills have definitely improved.

Yeah. And you know, even when Joe was like really going on for a long time about archery and shooting, which is just so typical of Joe and I love it, but you could see the wheels turning in Mark and he's like, shit, maybe I'll start doing a bit more bow hunting. Like we got a tough guy here talking to me about it. Maybe I'll get into that. Yeah. You know, and in the reverse, the same thing with Joe. I mean, he definitely respects the guy more.

He used to make fun of Zuck and there's like a video of him in Congress drinking water, like really weird, like a robot. And Rogan used to talk and bring that up all the time in the past, you know? But now he's seeing this guy that's, you know, making the effort, training, you know, changing just his whole identity and standing up for himself. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, of course, you know, I always appreciate when people start talking about,

you know, their kids and you tell some funny stories about how, you know, when it comes to screen time, which is a big conversation, you know, a big topic for new parents, like how much screen time is too much, any, is any of it too, you know, bad? You know, and Mark, who's like the create like this, like master coder, like created this huge platform that half the planet uses every

single month, you know, from his dorm room in college. He's talking about how his daughter gets up early to code, to practice coding on her tablet or on her iPad or whatever. And he's like, yeah, we can have to put a stop to that. Like, you know, yeah, I did it, but you can't do it. You know, so he's just, he's just so relatable. And then Joe kind of busts his balls and was like, yeah, you did it. And now you live on a fricking island with a mega complex

and you're one of the richest men in the world. And you want to tell your kid not to do what you did? Good luck. But it's so, yeah, it's just it's relatable. He was so interesting to hear like about kind of, I mean, talked a bit about his injury that he's, you know, going through and, um, but he's just so like. Looking for the ultimate online casino experience? Step into the bet MGM casino app where every deal spin and goal brings Las Vegas excitement into the BetMGM Casino app, where every deal, spin and goal brings Las Vegas excitement into the palm of your hand. Take your seat at Premium Blackjack

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Sometimes when they talk about those things, it goes like really over my head. Like, you know, I can appreciate like the developments inside the meta platforms like with AI. Like sometimes I click on those things and like, yeah, that makes sense. Some of them like, this is complete nonsense. Like doesn't even understand what it's trying to help you with.

Yeah, it's kind of the work in progress right now. I mean Grok is a thing that exists for Twitter and I don't, you know, I'm not sure how many people are using it even if they have access to it, you know, it just kind of is like as they're working on it, it's there. Yeah. Until they fully just go, oh, and this is the thing. Yeah. Here we go. Here's the big button. And then it's there until they fully just go, oh, and this is the thing. Here we go. Here's the big button.

And then it's almost like the lens through which you do everything on social media. Probably where that's going to come from. I mean, one thing that Joe was talking about is like, you know, where do you go from, you know, from your technologies now? Like you've got VR, know, from your technologies now? Like you've got VR, AR, the Oculus stuff, that's pretty fun. In fact, I've got to set one up for my mom,

which I think is hilarious. I'm like, my mom was like 70 years old and wants to play with- She just pulled it out. Was like, hey, can you get this going? I'm like, sure, man, what games are you gonna play? She doesn't even know how to download the app for it, so. Like, Light Saber, can you imagine it?

She'd just smash up all the stuff in her front room. But, you know, it's like, where do you go from here? And then Joe, throughout the idea, is it Neuralink? Like, is the game in your mind? Are we playing the Matrix? Yeah. Hey, maybe one day we'll get there, but Zuckerberg made it pretty clear that we're

a long way from that place. But you know, what could be cool is wristbands, you know, some feedback goes to your glasses, you know, you're looking things up, it's translating stuff, you're barely moving your hands and it's searching everything. I mean, very cool stuff. You know, especially if you think about being able to control kind of everything in your house like that, it's almost like just mind reading. Yeah, some of it worries me. Like the when you go to the the like the advancement, they have like the Ray-Ban version that's like, you know, you can do just like the translation and stuff. Those are like $300 or whatever.

Like that's pretty cool. I think some of that can be really helpful for traveling, for really busy people, people that are like good at multitasking and so on. When I think about like taking it further, like with, what is it, Orion? Like I looked it up, like the way they're sort of advertising it, the copy for it, you know, on their page

is like, Oh, you can be on the phone with someone while you wash your dishes and you can update a calendar. Oh, also you can like go shopping. It's like, do you really need to do that many things at one time? Like, do you need to be that productive and effective like constantly? Like what is that going to do to our brains? That's what I worry about. Like, are we going to then not be able to just sit and have a conversation with someone without doing too many other things? Like, is it going to get,

I mean, already we'll be sitting having a conversation and one of us whips our phone out, you know? It's just a habit that we have. So like, are we building in habits to like, not be able to just be tuned into real life if we're like using all of these tools to like live in this advanced world. Well, look at it this way.

People don't design things necessarily to make the world a better place and to make our psychological experience better. It's like a lot of this shit that they sell us increases our consumerism, increases our kind of ADHD and our lack of attention. And because it's so stimulating, we want it. So when they're thinking of making a device, they're like, you know what? It'd be cool. Let's put 15 windows on there.

And then the next one next year has 25 windows. Well, listen, we only needed three to be actually useful at anything, but we like to buy shit like that. Everybody does, right? It's like, oh, this is the latest and greatest. It has all the bells and whistles. You can do a thousand things at once. I mean, I don't know if you saw any of the videos of the Apple headsets that they made. I mean, they were very expensive. I think like $2,500. Yeah. They've discontinued them now because people didn't buy them and all the rest of it. But in the short little things that they did by kind of ARing it, so it's you can walk around,

see everything in your place, but just put these windows up, you know, these screens, just kind of in these different spots. Very interesting idea, you know, very, very cool. Like I don't think the Oculus has a thing quite like that, but that feature alone was like a really good insight into what you can start doing with these things. And yeah, if you can build a big virtual desktop in front of you or even a podcast studio just like just makes it in front of you, you know, like, hey, I all of a sudden don't need to buy like three laptop screens and or, you know, yeah, it's all there for you. Yeah, I think there's definitely some interesting developments on the horizon. I as an individual would hope they would they would try to find how to use these

things for good. Right. Like, how can this help people that are handicapped, you know, maybe para quadriplegics, right? Like, how can they use this technology to like live like a normal, what we would deem normal life versus like this superior advanced ultra crazy productive, like fascinating like technology driven life, right? Like I just, I think there's people that all that need these great minds doing stuff like that, you know, working on products for the greater good. So I hope that, um, Mark, if you're out there and you're listening, you know, okay, well you should, you should think about that, you know, I think, I think using your,

your smarts for good could go a long way. Oh, that's a really important message. We need to get to Mark. Everyone tell him. Use your smarts for good. Everybody write him a note. He's like, I can't believe, I've never thought of that. I'm gonna send him a message right now on Instagram. Thank goodness those two people reviewed

the episode I was on. Dearest Mark. Just tag him in Facebook. I like your new hair. I'm just kidding. Yeah. He does have a new haircut, it's pretty good. I like your new hair. I'm just kidding. Yeah. He does have a new haircut. It's pretty good. Yeah. It's interesting.

Look, I mean, Rogan and him are obviously getting tight. They're becoming buds. I mean, with Dana being on the board, I mean, there's going to be, I'm sure, plenty more appearances from Zuckerberg on Rogan. And here's the thing too, it's like Rogan is starting to get so big that, and he's always been pretty selective about who he's had on, a lot of people have worked,

but now he's like, he's getting on the people he didn't get on before, politicians, presidents, big names, you know? I don't think there's like a congress person out there that wouldn't, or senators that wouldn't try and get on there, maybe some real liberal ones like Nancy, she won't, Pelosi wouldn't wanna get on there. But you know, plenty of people wanna get on

and he's gonna open the door more likely for the people that he's really getting on well with, building relationships with, doesn't hurt that they're billionaires. So Zuck and Elon can kind of get on whenever they want. Yeah. But you know, these platforms, it's like, there's no better place for either Zuckerberg or Elon or any of these people to go and discuss something that's important to them.

And they can count on the fact that there's a very low chance that it'd be misunderstood. Because there's so much time to develop and express the idea, you're gonna get to an understanding. Well, I also think it, you know, as in like every broken episode, like you see the human side of these people, like they aren't, like, yeah, they're they typically have like they come out and they have this like narrative or this like product or this book or this whatever that they're pushing, that they're marketing, you know, campaign, a goal, right? But you also really get to see the human side of his guests.

And, you know, with with Mark, we saw that he, even though he's very successful and smart and figured out some things, a lot of things, he's still learning and he's growing as an individual, as a dad, as a human, as a CEO, as a developer. And he's like adapting as the climate of the political climate changes and as the world evolves. And I think it gives you some assurance that he's taking seriously the influence Metta

has on communication and what the global narratives are going forward, you know, and how people communicate and the information that's out there. So, you know, hats off to Joe for having this platform. Always is just very refreshing to get to like see and hear from people that are changing things for the better. Yeah, I mean, this one especially is a good example of the positive impact, not that Joe is like impacting a lot with this episode, but he's able to connect with somebody that is like,

I mean, Joe, like, I'm sure can just text Zuckerberg issues that he has with Instagram or something not working. I mean, and Zuckerberg's probably like, yeah, I'll sort that out right away. I feel like there was a, like that actually happened at one point, he's like, oh, this got flagged or this got deleted or something. Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's mentioned that.

And he's like, someone reached out to me and Mark's like, I'm on it, and you know, I'll fix that kind of thing. Which is wild. Yeah, I mean, just imagine being like, yeah, oh, let me just text Elon, oh, let me just text Mark Zuckerberg, you know, like his phone, I mean, his phone's probably

absolutely crazy. Yeah, I mean imagine being in a position where you could like, your Netflix isn't working and you just text the guy, the CEO, you're just like, hey, it's not working, check my account, and they're like, no worries dude, I just saw you. I mean, that reach is unbelievable. Anyway, look, great episode.

Um, really cool to see Zuckerberg on. Love what he's doing with the fact checkers and just kind of the direction he's going. And, um, yeah, I'm excited to see what he gets up to next and, uh, get back to some jiu-jitsu. As for everyone else, thank you so much for listening, as always, and we'll talk to you guys next week. Cheers!