Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 420 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Mel Gibson

Episode Date: January 19, 2025

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What a bizarre thing we've created. Now with your host, Adam Thorne. This might either be the worst podcast or the best one of all time. Two, one, go. Enjoy the show. Hey folks and welcome to another episode of the Joe Rogan Experience Review. This week, Mel Gibson... Gibbons. Gibbons.

What a legend. Star of such hits as Braveheart, the lethal weapon series, it goes on. So many good ones. And yeah, he's back on. Opened up with a joke about clicking his pen, because the first time he was on, the whole time, nervously, just clicking a pen when he was on. I think he was on with his dad, just click in a pan when he was on. I think he was on with his dad and they were talking about stem cells and different therapies and these sorts of things. Mel seemed more relaxed this time.

He was better on the pod, a little bit more focused and kind of. You think he seemed relaxed? Well, I mean, he's an intense dude. Yeah, I guess. But the first time around, he was like jittery, a bit more jittery. And I don't know, he just seemed to be like, broing out pretty good with Rogan. Yeah. Which is always a good start.

You know, he's getting older now. He's talking about his chronic pain, scoliosis uh, just kind of dealing with that, you know, he refuses to do surgery. So it's chiropractors, stem cells, all different types of therapy, just kind of trying to keep himself going. Yeah. Um, well he's 69 years old, so yeah, he's no spring chicken. It's gonna happen. You know, everyone, and they were even talking about once you hear, once your back goes, it's's like you almost can never get it back. Nothing's ever the same. The rest of your body starts to fall apart and yeah, but I mean, he, he didn't

seem like, um, he didn't seem sickly by any means, but you could tell he's aged and, and it looks good for six. He actually does. Yeah. Yeah. Seems just a bit together. He has that kind of like, um, kind of Hollywood youthfulness that some actors keep. So not all of them do,

but you know, some of them just kind of get it together. Yeah. But you said he's intense. He's excited about things. He's like really, you know, the things that he wants to talk about, like he gets really pumped about like jumping out of his seat, trying to like express himself. And so it's interesting. It's very interesting to watch. I wonder when he was talking about concussions and he got that bad concussion at his daughter's wedding, his Australian friend somehow knocked him out. Um, I wonder if, if like he brought that up, you know, if he's getting any kind

of memory issues from that or any more longterm things happening, because they do say that even minor concussions can cause some real problems, you know, um, later in life with kind of like mood swings and, and, um, memory loss. And, uh, I just wonder why you brought that up. Yeah. It's not interesting. I mean, I think, I think it makes sense. I mean, concussions are really bad for your brain and that's why after you've had so many,

they're like, stop doing what you're doing. Like whatever it is. Change career. Yeah, you really shouldn't have anything else to do with whatever it is that's giving you these concussions. But yeah, no, they didn't, they kind of stopped talking about that. It's like, they sort of cut that off.

I mean, Joe covers things like that quite often. And, but yeah, I wonder if he's just feeling something more long-term and he's like, yeah, I think those, I think those fucked me up back in the day. But it's interesting because I think a lot of things can play into your cognitive health. And you know, even like, for example, my dad, I mean, he's 60 60 and he, he started expressing a few years ago before he like started on

down his path to retirement that he felt like his memory was going and he's like, it's so I feel so much. I feel too young for this. Right. And we sort of boiled it down to stress and like lack of sleep. And obviously like lack, you don't want to have concussions and things like those things definitely play into it. But I think the, uh, combination of, you know, nutrition and stress and sleep and that all is really playing into the early, the lack thereof those things is playing into early, um, onset dementia that we're seeing. Yeah. Well, there's a lot of elements that play into it. I mean, you can take a very

healthy person and really stress them out. They're feeling a great deal of anxiety. Your memory is not working very well at all. You're just so distracted. And yeah, as soon as he basically stopped working you know, stopped working full time, it, it went away. You know, he started sleeping better. He was stressing less. He was working less, looking at screens less, you know, doing more activity physically. And yeah, it's, and he feels like he can talk, have a conversation without like forgetting his words essentially. Like he still lost the key though. Yeah, he did lose a key, a very important key. And he has no idea how.

So I mean, he's still 60 and he still has his things, but you know, it's. What do you think about this new announcement? Trump just announced that Mel Gibson and a few other people, I can't remember who was on there, are going to be special ambassadors for Hollywood. Number one, nobody for sure knows what that means. If it means anything. Nobody knows. But what do you think the play is here? He's just kind of like scooping up a bunch of Republican A-list actors to do what? Leverage more right more right leaning movies?

Or I don't know what the play is there. I mean, Hollywood typically is pretty left leaning. Yeah. So, you know, is there, is there's like this desire to kind of balance that or I don't really get what it could be for. I'm trying to like, trying to just guess it's not coming together. Yeah, these are all great questions. And as you know, I'm an expert on all things that you don't know.

Well, that's why I ask you. Yeah. So let me tell you, I actually have no clue. And I think, I think it like you had kind of the nail on the head. He's just sort of like pulling names, like his supporters together and making them feel these like big names that have sort of come out in support of him, giving them these positions, like obviously his cabinet positions. He's like filled. I mean, what is Mel Gibson going to do in the cabinet? Right? Like, so he he's looking for these ambassador positions or you know, whatever he's going to loop in all these celebrities, all of these CEOs, all these people who are influential. And I don't think it's a bad move. There was like not a lot of direction as to like what he was trying to get at other than he said, you know, it's like, I don't know if I'm saying

John Voight, John Voight and Sylvester Stallone and Mel Gibson, special ambassadors to Hollywood, they're essentially gonna be his eyes and ears. And I think what, you know, I could see it from two perspectives. One being sort of the loss of economic impact and GDP that's left California and Hollywood, you know, due to cost of housing, the economic, you know, the, sorry, like the ecological issues they experience,

like fires and everything, you know, sort of the polarized political climate in California with Gavin Newsom and all of his craziness. Like, so I think he probably is thinking, let's try to revive it. This part of this great piece of America that we wanna bring back to life. And then on the other end,

it's like with everything that's happened with the fires right now in LA, which we can get back to Mel Gibson's issue there, but he's looking to, I think tap into like, you know, the people that are really upset about how, how it was handled, how it was prevented or was not prevented. And basically saying like, this is the best I can do right now. Cause like, I'm, I'm not in office. I'm not in a position at this moment to like make any changes and going forward. We're going to see what we can do.

I don't get it. What would them being ambassadors have to do with the fire? I don't think it's, I think it's just the people that are upset about it and like Mel Gibson lost his house and everything in the fire. So you know, getting people kind of riled up about like, you know, we're going to fix this. We're going to bring Hollywood back to life. We're going to make sure that California has better sort of management of this and I'm going to step in. I'm going to do, you know, we're going to fix this. We're going to bring Hollywood back to life. We're going to make sure that California has better sort of management of this and I'm going

to step in. I'm going to do, you know, I mean, that was a bit of my suspicion too, you know, obviously that was just on the news, just on Rogan. He's been on Fox complaining about what happened and, you know, he obviously agrees with, with Trump and supports Trump. So it might just be one of those things where Trump's like, let's give him a bigger voice. He seems like an ally. Let's give him a voice. Another thing also is like, maybe a lot of Republicans in the US are just kind of fed up with Hollywood and therefore turning their back on wanting to watch the

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I don't really know if that's a thing, but I don't know if I have that impression at all, but you know, basically said they're going to be my eyes and my ears, whatever they say needs to happen. I'm going to make happen. That's how he talks. You know, that's how Trump says, whatever I will, I'll make it. I'll do it. You know, it's like, is that your Trump? Yeah, there's my job. Can you, can you like fix there being no fires in California by next year? Probably not. Right. So like, I don't know exactly what he thinks these three celebrities and directors, whatever are going to be able

to do. Like I have, I have no idea how it fits together, but I mean, maybe make a really good movie about the fires. Maybe I bet it feels really good to be those guys. I mean, they said that it wasn't even like an official like announcement or like a point. Like the appointment was just like made through social media. Like it wasn't even like a ceremony of any kind or like they might get a certificate though.

Maybe maybe via email. I don't know, but. Honorary degree. Yeah, I mean, yeah. I'll be really interested to hear from anyone out there who has more insight on what they think Mel Gibson and Sylvester Stallone can bring to this. Yeah, if you have a theory,

doesn't matter how wacky, shoot us an email. Let's hear it. I'll read it. I'll read it on the next episode. I'll read it. Well, you know matter how wacky, shoot us an email. Let's hear it. I'll read it, I'll read it on the next episode. Well, you know, bigger news really, and it was something that was wild, is during this episode, Mel Gibson's house burned down. I don't know if it like exactly lined,

but it was very close. And to be fair to him, he knew this was happening. He didn't cancel it, the podcast, you know, not that he could have done anything anyway, but you could imagine that's like, I don't know. I don't know if I could have done a podcast. That would have been so on my mind. It's your house burning down. But he kept pretty good composure and was like, I think, yeah, it's probably burning

down now and just cracked on. And I'm like, wow, that's, that's something. Yeah. I'm trying to remember exactly how many days ago this podcast came out and when that happened, when it was recorded, you know, and like, were perhaps he had time to prepare his home and he took his valuables and he was like, he said he didn't take a lot. They just accepted that it was going to happen. I think his son went in there

and just took some documents, passports, some awards. I saw, I heard that he, they did some of his awards, some stuff were saved. I'm sure, I'm sure he grabbed some things that were, that were, things that were important, but how much can you get out? I mean, if you know the place is gonna burn down, the roads, the bushes around are on fire, you're not taking a moving truck up there. Yeah, they give you, a lot of people,

if you're given enough time, you have like, they say, oh, it's coming your way or you're at risk, so it's an evacuation notice, right? And so that's when people start doing a, have you ever been near like a wildfire and had to evacuate? I haven't had to evacuate, no, but I used to live in Santa Monica. So it was not uncommon when the Hills would catch on fire. Like you could see it all. I've driven down the freeway before where one side of it was just all like scorched earth, like red and glowing and

on fire. And the freeway was just, we were just driving down. I'm like, this is crazy. It's wild, right? I lived in Hawaii and the lava fields have this like really dry brush that grows through it. And I mean, it's like, I lived on the big island. So it's like 90% like lava fields. I don't know how much it really is. But as a young preteen, we lived there and yeah, we got evacuated from our house and you know, you had to put rags over your face like there was dust and ash flying through the air because as soon as the wind picks up, you know, it's becomes it spreads so fast. Yeah. And it burned all the way up until like the golf course on the, like our house was like on a golf course and it burned up to like the edge of the

golf course. And the golf course was just, you know, watered enough. It didn't burn. And, um, but you know, bushes around some of the bushes kind of caught fire and you know, they were like, you know, obviously like evacuating. So they were able to put them out. There was fire engines in the neighborhoods and stuff, but I mean, it's, it's scary. And you know, it's like in that panic, it's like, what do you take? You know,

you would think that you would have a kind of a bit of your plan together. You know, I guess saying that is, is unreasonable because I've never had a plan, but I've never been in a place where there could be tornadoes or massive storms or floods or, you know, not that I was really aware of. And, you know, even where we were in Santa Monica, it was like, um, just, no, we were too far south for the fires to really reach that. And even seeing with what happened recently, they evacuated like the street Montana and above. So kind of north of there. But that's a good ways from where my place was.

But my point is, if I lived in a place where there could be fires or floods or tsunamis or whatever, you would think that you would kind of have an idea of like, right, this is what I grabbed, this is my go bag. Yeah. Stuff like that. Or at least have a list, like a running list in your phone of like, so you can just sort of get it all and go

as fast as you can. Or shit, a fireproof safe. You know, those gun safes are not that much money. These guys are all millionaires. But you know what I learned? Or maybe it's not every one of these fireproof safes are not that much money. These guys are all millionaires. But you know what I learned? Or maybe it's not every one of these fireproof safes, but it's like the safe itself doesn't disintegrate, but the stuff inside of it still gets hot enough in a fire to burn up. I don't know if that's true or not, but I saw that somewhere.

Yeah, I thought they were insulated. I don't know. It would depend though, right? If the fire was on the safe long enough, it would heat it up. Yeah. So maybe like papers and documents and things would get destroyed. But I mean, if you had other stuff, watches maybe, your guns, trophies, like, I don't know,

just some keepsakes, could just jam it in three of those gun safes. Yeah. You know, they're all multimillion dollar homes up there. Spend 1500 bucks on a few gun safes. Bi-proof ones. Right. Yeah, I mean, it's interesting. It's sad what happened up there.

Obviously back to Mel Gibson, like he can replace everything. Like, so it's probably not that big of a concern for him. I mean, yeah, someone went in, they got the important things out for him. And, you know, any movie is going to move on with his life. He can afford to go live somewhere else. He probably has another home somewhere. You know what I mean?

Like, he's going to be fine. But even saying that people often will do that. They're like, oh, these rich people like they have. And it's like, I get it. I do. They are. It's not like they're stood looking at the rubble, you know, like war torn people in Ukraine would do.

Like they got nowhere else to go. The house is gone. But it's like, he lived there 15 years. Like a lot of memories. You know, that's your comfortable place. He's probably living out of a hotel now. You know, like a lot of those people. In fact, what is part of the evacuation or is it like, does the state put you up

in hotels? Do they have, like hotels put aside for places for people to go? Or is it like on you to just hope you got a friend that you can stay with? I think you just personally try to find a place, hotel prices, rent prices in other parts of California. I've heard have gone up significantly because people are trying to find places to live with their families and outrageous 25 grand a month and stuff like that for a, you know, an apartment. And I don't know. I mean, you know, someone who came up a lot for me, like celebrity wise on the fire discussion on the

fire topic was Paris Hilton. And I know love or hate or whatever. She's had two kids in recent years. They're very small and it was really moving to see even Paris Hilton with everything she has and being this heiress to the Hilton empire, like talking about, like they said, the living in this home, building it, you know, her children still have memories there, they have artwork there, it's where they brought their babies home,

and like that's all really important. You know, she didn't talk anything about like her hyperbaric chamber and her red light bed and all of the stuff that like is really valuable, like monetary wise, it was all of the things, and maybe it was for social media purposes only, but I genuinely like got choked up reading about it. And she's just one person who again has like options.

And she- Well, I'll tell you what, since she's a Hilton, she could have hooked up everybody with some Hilton stays. Well, yeah, she did. I hope she did. Yeah, they opened up the Hilton to families who lost their homes and she bought toys for the children and they, you know, so like her and her resources

was able to do something impactful even though she also lost a lot. But I don't know that ever, I mean, she couldn't house everyone forever, right? So I don't know exactly what the long-term options are. I mean, Joe Biden gave out what, $700? Oh, yippee. Well done. To each person?

Yes. Kind of a joke. What's that one night in a hotel in LA? Yeah, probably. Unbelievable. I mean, look, the criticism of Gavin Newsom, they got on this and you've been hearing about it online and if you've ever listened to this podcast or Rogan's, you know, you know what we think of Gavin and what he's done to that state.

But, you know, not just to kind of get on the bandwagon and pick on him. Yeah, this fire was crazy big. And the weather was just unbelievably bad. And there was limited they could do in the heavy winds. But things like the fire hydrants running out, you know, that reservoir being empty. Looking for the ultimate online casino experience? Step into the BetMGM Casino app, where every deal, spin and goal brings Las Vegas excitement into the palm of your hand. Take your seat at Premium Blackjack Pro, where strategy meets top tier gameplay. Hit the ice with Gretzky Goal Lucky Tap, inspired by the great one himself, or

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with iGaming Ontario. Massive tax cuts to the fire department while they're like inflating the homeless part of money. It's like, there's some real problems there. And I think this has been massively highlighted. And I'm pretty sure a lot of the people in the palisades or lost their homes, you know, I'm sure a bunch of them were left-wing

and they're losing their patience with this guy. And I wonder what the impact will be and how long it will be before elements of the state are like we either need to replace him or we are kind of gonna start leaning right because we need stuff to work. These taxes are out of control. Like they pay so much money

that the least you could do for them is give them services to put home out when it's on fire. Like that to me is just, it's just shocking. It really is. Yeah. I mean, it was a perfect storm, no pun intended of wind and fire and, you know, obviously lack of water resources there. And high dens, high dens, you know, population density, like there are so many variables that make fires in California, like that much more difficult to control and to, you know, and then make them that more, more like the death toll high and stuff like, yeah, I mean, it'll be really interesting to see

what is the term limit in California for a governor? Do you know? I don't know if they have, I think you can just keep being the governor if you keep getting reelected. And I'm pretty sure their election is it every four years? Like most politicians? I think it's something like that.

I mean, they try to recall on Newsome not that long ago, but it just did not gain anywhere near the votes they needed to get rid of him. I mean, again, the state is so blue because of the cities that it was just impossible to replace him. But you know, how long can it go for? How long can things really be mismanaged? There's going to be investigations. Obviously, once Trump gets in, he's not going to go easy.

He calls him Gavin new scum. Scum. I mean... Brilliant. Yeah, I say it'll be really interesting to see when and if it when if and when it turns over if someone can come in and and I don't want to say if they can do it better, but how they do it better, right? Like what is it that he actually has failed to do?

I mean, everyone sort of has speculation. I do agree that things could be done differently, but I'm not pay a ton of attention. I mean, I don't live in California. So but I think it's yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see. And I have a feeling this whole appointing ambassadors and Trump sort of tuning in to what's happening in California might have something to do with that. Him trying to find the powerful and influential people that are supporting him and how do they sort of like influence the governance in the state to like support him.

I mean, it's a big state. It's a big governing state and it always goes blue. Yeah. It's like, how does he have been started to win that state, that could be, that would be wild for elections because it's just, it has, I mean, a ton of electoral college votes. And that's cause like, that feels like dystopian almost like for California to go red, but it, it's not impossible. I suppose there's a lot of rural areas in California. Yeah.

It's not all. It's like if you look at how they vote, the blue is just around the cities. And everything else is red, but they just don't have the population there. Yeah. Because it's just spread out. Let's talk about his movies. Oh yeah. He talked a bit about Apocalypto 2, obviously the new one coming out.

I genuinely never saw Apocalypto 1. Oh, it's so good. We'll have to watch it. Yeah, we should have watched it. I know. This week. It came up obviously and yeah. I think we were planning to.

Well we spent three hours listening to Joe Rogan. Nine hours this week listening to, so anyways. How much more viewing time do we have? More. Okay. Our whole life is viewing things. Let's try to fit it in. And then talking about it.

All my flexible time that I have. Yeah, the first one was cool because, I mean, it was a long time ago now. I think, God, when did that come out? Like 2006 would be my guess. Yeah, I think you're right. A while ago. And as far as I remember,

there was no English speaking in the whole movie. And it was really about this cool point that in a lot of ways had not been covered in Hollywood before. It was like before the Spanish and Columbus got to America. So it was like what was happening there? And, you know, this is part of kind of in a way the unknown history of that area, because so much of it, you know, grew over after the Spanish got out there, kind of gave everyone small parks, whole swaths of land and tribes were just completely wiped out.

And then the forest just took it all. But I mean, they were just mega structures, you know, pyramids everywhere, really complicated civilizations that have been there for ages. And it's just like, wow, what a cool time period to kind of go over and imagine. Yeah. You know? I bet they've got to fill in a lot of blanks to like how their cultures were.

Cause I don't know what the record keeping was like, but. Yeah, you say that you could, I would think so too, but also these like, what are they? Like the people who dig stuff up and find old things? Archaeologists? Yeah, they're pretty, they're like, find like really thorough explanations

amongst all of the stuff that they find. Like they're like, oh, I found this like tiny tool and that makes me know that they had this and this and this and they made this and this. So it's like, they can really put together like a quite a vivid picture of life through what they find, what they made this. So it's like, they can really put together like a quite a vivid picture of life through what they're finding. Sure, but things like understanding kind of like

their politics or maybe how they express their religion. Yeah. You know, they knew there was some human sacrifice and going on and there was just these sorts of things, but without a really detailed written history. And it's just hard for them to piece those things together. And I mean, even saying that, it's like hard for them to figure out

how they kind of even built those pyramids there and just did a lot of that. I mean, again, they can guess, they can find some tools, but it's a lot of filling in the blank and this is hoping for the best Yeah, the movie itself was pretty gory supposedly Banned in a lot of countries because of the yeah, it's another part of what made it so great I mean it was it was it was just like hardcore. He was just like holy shit. What is happening? Yeah, and Yeah, really cool that they're coming out

with a second one, I'm glad he's making that. I think, when is it, 2026? They think it's gonna come out? Let's see. I don't know how long, let's look that up real quick. So maybe, yeah, maybe the second one is once there is some European colonization, maybe it's, maybe it kind of covers some of the first interactions.

That could be cool. There's a lot of directions they could go with this. That would be really interesting. Just as it'll hit theaters in 2025. So okay. So it's very already done then. Yeah, that's not bad. Yeah.

And then I mean, he has, he had some other movies. What was it? Passion of the Christ. Oh yeah. That was quite controversial. Yeah. So that movie, I mean, number one, made him a shitload of money.

Yeah. It was a very popular movie. And it was a really powerful depiction of Christ and like what happened. I mean, for a religious movie, it's very watchable. Yeah. You know, it's like a lot of those movies just aren't, you know, you watch like the old like Moses movie

and the 10 commandments and it's like, all right guys. But yeah, it was really good. And, you know, brave of him to tackle that because I think he did get a lot of pushback from it. Obviously, Mel's had his own controversies with some of the things that he said, you know, in the past while drunk. And so he has his opinions on things. And yeah, I, you know, I don't know if the movie was stopped, but I know it was difficult

or if people tried to stop it, but I know it was difficult or if people tried to stop it, but I know it was tough to get funding for him. Distribution was difficult. And the fact that he pushed through with that and got it out like he did, made the money that he did on it, impressive stuff. He's a brave guy when it comes to, uh, making movies. And you kind of forget the movies that he's directed. You know, you just think of him in like Braveheart and those other action

movies he's done, but he's, he's really been making some great movies. Yeah. I never saw passion of the Christ. I was definitely too young when it came out and then, you know, had other better things to do, I guess. came out and then, you know, had other better things to do, I guess. But yeah, he's, um, some of these are classics, Patriot, Braveheart,

daddy's home too, you know, the classics. Um, daddy's home one extra was really good. I don't know if you saw that, but I don't think he's in that one though. No, he's not, but it's Will Ferrell and Mark Wahlberg. And it's just incredible. Good movie. It does say he's in it, but anyways. Yeah, some great ones. And I think that he's a true talent that is worth. Looking for the ultimate online casino experience?

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Staying, you know, I mean, memorializing as a pillar of Hollywood. I mean, he's worth half a billion dollars. Wow. You know, that's a lot of money. And he's been A-list famous since probably the eighties. Yeah. So that's, you know, very famous for a very long time.

That must be a bizarre life. It was interesting to hear him say that he's not into bodyguards. He doesn't have any, there's no security at his house. He doesn't have bodyguards. He just does things on his own. Obviously Joe was more skeptical of that and was like, whoa, whoa, I mean, maybe it's good

to have some, Joe has like a small army of Navy SEALs around him. But how he describes it is like, I just act crazy and no one approaches me. Yeah, I don't know if that's the best plan. I mean, you're still Mel Gibson. Maybe get a couple of guys around you sometimes, but here's the thing. He's done it long enough now.

He knows how to kind of navigate and maybe it just works for him. And, uh, he just kind of likes to have his time alone and, and let's be fair, he's a little eccentric. I mean, it's not unreasonable for, um, celebrities of that level to be a little bit, I mean, even going over what he was saying about evolution. He's not a big fan of it, doesn't really believe in it. Feels like we were just placed here as humans and maybe the other hominids that they find

just mutated humans. I'm not really sure where he was getting out with that. Like simulation level? No, no, no, just like placed by God, I'm not really sure where he was getting out with that. Like simulation level? No, no, no. Just like placed by God, I guess. Okay. I mean, yeah, he, there's a religious aspect to him, even though, and he and Joe talked about it, that, you know, he is a Catholic, but he is also very aware

of the state of Catholicism and the problems with the church. But it seems like he does have his like religious element to him for sure, which is often where some of these ideas come from. I don't think there's many non-religious people that also don't believe in evolution. Maybe I don't know what their angle would be, but it seems to coincide is what I'm saying. Because those two things, because believing in creation and believing in evolution are very contradictory things.

Yeah, it's kind of a harder leap to make when you don't believe that there's a God, but humans just appear in this form. It's like, where would, how? Like by magic? Whereas, you know, if you're not religious and, you know, you can kind of like think through the idea of the Big Bang and therefore evolution. It just kind of, it lines up

better with that thought process. But yeah, he's, Mao was saying that he thinks the Earth might only be like a few thousand years old. Like that kind of thinking. Which is really fascinating when people get there because it's like, well, if you're willing to go there,

you know, because like the Himalayas took a long time to push up from the ground with tectonic plates to make it. It's like you could count that backwards and you're like, well, that's a million years right there. But if you only think the earth is a few thousand years old, then it was placed in this condition. It was just like- Made to look like? Yeah, like stuff had been happening for a long time.

That's the only way that idea could come together. And if you're willing to think that far, then are you sure yesterday even existed? It's like, maybe we all the memories were just implanted. It's like, why not? If it was just placed there anyway, it's like the die. If you think the earth is 5,000 years old, you don't think that dinosaurs ever existed. So the bones just were in the ground.

It's like, what are you setting up a scavenger hunt for us? Yeah. It's a tough leap for me anyway. I think he should probably stick to movies and I'm feeling dumber to having this conversation. I'm feeling dumber by the second. Yeah. I think there might've been a part of him that was like, Oh, I wish I hadn't gone over that. Took that too far. It's a little too much. Yeah. Yeah. I think there might have been a part of him that was like, oh, I wish I hadn't gone over that. Took that too far. It's a little too much.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think he's very talented. He really should stick to directing, you know, in sort of thinking deep and sort of proposing ideas is one thing. But like coming on a platform with as many listeners as Joe Rogan, I don't know if you should maybe I mean, I don't know that you need to, you don't need to not, but filter. But you know what, also have your ideas.

It's like, you know, just because someone has a wacky idea, it doesn't mean his movies suck, or other things that he's doing are not important. It's just like, okay, he's got some different ideas than me. It's like, you know, like, all right. I mean, very sensible people that are well respected that could be like theologians would come on and tell you that Jesus is the son of God and died for our sins and being very serious. If you're not religious, you don't believe any of that.

What is a theologian? He's like someone that studies religion. I don't know if that's. What is a theologian? He's like someone that studies religion. I don't know if that's how you say it, but. I think it is. Maybe I'm wrong. You say words sometimes I have no idea. Well, we'll Google it. Okay.

We'll Google it. Yeah, it's just a bit of that. It's just like, it's an opinion. That's what he thinks. And, you know, we'll go from that. Yeah, I was just looking up to some stuff about his independent filmmaking, and, you know, some of the obstacles he faced while producing and distributing the films outside of the traditional studio system. And, you know And it really highlights the difficulties in like funding, any kind of distribution

marketing, because mainstream Hollywood and their projects really, you know, if you deviate from that, their kind of conventional narrative, you've got, you know, not to say that they're actively pushing against you, but if they're not on, if you're not on the side of that machine, it's much harder to kind of make those movies. And I think that led into some of the frustrations and, you know, kind of drunken outbursts that Mel has had in the past, because it's just kind of, you know, through his frustrations or whatever. But it's, it's still really nice to see occasionally those independent films kind of make it out.

I mean, really they're some of the most classic movies think of like Napoleon Dynamite, you know, I'm pretty sure Quentin Tarantino's first couple were seen as more independent, like Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs. I mean, they had studios behind them, but they were wild movies, you know? And you got to work hard to make those work. Says a lot, I think, about a director that's brave enough to attempt that. In a lot of ways.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you also have to be pretty confident in yourself and in your story and in your skill to self-fund a movie, especially something with a budget like Passion of the Christ, like Apocalypto, where it's like, you know, destination type thing. It's probably not so much in a studio and you know, like, there's a lot of it that, um, yeah, you gotta have a lot of faith in yourself to,

to say, I'm going to put this much of my own money on the line and my own name entirely. And, uh, if it works, if it works, it's worked, really pays off. It's worked for him. I mean, this is why he made so much money off Passion of the Christ because he put so much of that together. It wasn't, you know, a bunch of big movie studios that that reap the rewards. Yeah, it was, it was Mal that did it. So big risk, big reward on those. Exactly. And I can see as a creative person wanting to hold as much integrity

with your work as possible. But that doesn't mean that movies that are studio collaborated don't have integrity and that aren't worthwhile. It's just, it's really interesting when someone is so passionate about something being done a certain way or just being done in general, that they're going to do everything they can by themselves

to make it happen exactly how they, how they envision it. Um, that's like true art. That's not just entertainment, right? That's like someone who's probably, he's probably invented, envisioned a lot of these movies for a lot of his lifetime and wanted them to come to fruition. They probably take longer to make. They're a bit more labor intensive and yeah, it worked for him.

It's great for him. And he had a really candid moment also when he was kind of reflecting on his past controversies that, you know, when you think about it, it's like Mel Gibson wasn't canceled for some of the things he did in the past. And it sounds like he's got his drinking under control. He's kind of stayed out of that controversy and still been able to make movies, show up in movies and come back from, from laying low for a while. Yeah.

I mean, he was the butt of a lot of jokes for some time and, you know, seems to have worked through it. Yeah. And, you know, he's reflected on what it is that he went through and how he can learn from it and change. And that's a very, you know, it's not just like apologizing to stay relevant. It's like, you know, it sounds genuine. Sounds like he's actually done that.

So anyway, that's about it for Mel Gibson. Looking forward to, um, Apocalypto 2. It's going to be great. I can't wait. I'm glad it's 2025. I don't like waiting too long for movies. It's too annoying. I get frustrated and then I forget they exist. It's a whole thing. But anyway, thanks a lot for listening. As always, we appreciate it and we will catch you next time.

Cheers.