Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 421 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Steve Rinella

Episode Date: January 22, 2025

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Enjoy the show. Hey folks and welcome to another episode of the Joe Rogan Experience Review. This week we are reviewing Steve Rinella. Good old Steve. I don't know how many times he's been on Rogan but it's a ton of times. Yeah, many. Many a time. You know, obviously you know Steve Ronella from the meaty to show he was the first guy to take

Rogan out hunting which obviously has led to you know a huge passion for Rogan's life and as he lent into bow hunting and all the rest of it and Obviously it comes up on his show all the time. So if you enjoy those episodes and people like Kam Haines coming on, it all kind of stemmed with Steve Ronella there. I can't imagine having a friend that gets you interested in something that's such a pillar in your life like this.

Yeah, it was just something very different. So Rogan talks, he's talked about it quite a few times. He basically was learning and reading and watching a lot about factory farming and how awful it is. And it really is awful. And there's those gag laws where it's like literally illegal to film the horrible conditions. And you know, there's protection for this type of stuff.

Anyway, so he was kind of faced with the option of becoming a vegan, because he didn't like what was happening with these animals, or maybe hunt, hunt your own meat and kind of, excuse me, eat that meat. So how do you even start that process? Well, with his access, he got a hold of the guys from MeatEater, they took him hunting up in Montana

and there we go. He stayed with steak and now just eats steak mostly. Yeah, I mean, having been in Montana for so many years, I experienced many a times being offered elk or deer meat. And it's different, obviously, than the beef you're used to from the grocery store. But there is something about knowing that it was not touched by corn in its system. It wasn't touched by other hands other than this individual who shot and processed it and cooked it for you.

So there's something very primal about it. It makes you feel really good about eating it. But I don't know if anyone, if everyone out there's ever had the chance or the opportunity, it is different, but you know, I think you could come around to it, especially with the idea that it's that much healthier for you. Yeah. And I look, I don't think it's for everybody either. Yeah. I have friends here in England that eat meat, you know, they're not vegetarians and they have no interest in the idea of hunting. Anytime I've gone, if I was messaging with them, I may say, oh yeah, I'm going out for a hunt this next week

and blah blah blah. And they often joke back, I hope you get nothing. next week and blah, blah, blah. And they often joke back, I hope you get nothing. Yeah. And you know, it just, you know, and I see the argument as well that it seems and sounds kind of barbaric. I mean, we are very removed from that sort of thing. Yeah.

I guess it just comes down to whatever relationship with your food you wanna have, you know? Yeah. If you to have a garden, grow a lot of your own vegetables. And then you throw hunting or fishing on top of that. It's like, well, it's self-sustaining in a sense there. Or just go to the grocery store, you know? Get on Uber Eats.

There's lots of ways to do it. And I say, somewhat, eat your own. Right. There's lots of ways to do it. And I say somewhat eat your own. What's nice about Steve Vanilla's show and, um, meaties, and I've said this before, he kind of is like the Anthony Bourdain of hunting. He adds a lot of poetry to his experience and it's not just about the hunt. You know, the, the shows often on the hunting channel, it's like always down to getting the animal at the end. Steve has turned away from quite a few and then discussed it on the show and

why he decided not to take the shot or, you know, it just didn't feel right or it wasn't the right timing and maybe it wasn't fully ethical. And, you know, instead of having a type of show where the producers are like, dude, you've got to kill this thing. Like, what are you doing? We need ratings. It kind of got more ratings because of how real those moments were. And it all came down to the way he describes it. Yeah, that's a really, it's a great thought that, a different type of show.

I mean, we have a lot of shows that are like the survival shows and it's truly like, you're drawn into like those moments shows and it's truly like, you know, you're, you're drawn into like the, like the, those moments where people are like in their worst places, if that makes sense. Like, you know, like not the gore part of it. Obviously you don't want to see like reality TV with gore in it, but you know, tough times and like really see like the extent to what people can push themselves. And I feel like that, like adrenaline rush of almost like, you know, what, what could it get to and like how hard are they

pushing themselves? It's kind of like that in any of these wilderness survival shows. No doubt. It's, it's a very difficult pursuit. Yeah. But I think there's also so much beauty and you know, like hearing their stories and hearing what even like they're getting out of it that has nothing to do with that, you know, what they're finding easy about it or what they're missing from home, you know, like just being really raw and real about like, you know, the what's going through their head and the emotions that they're feeling and you know, the connection they're feeling to the earth and the planet and the the animals and I don't know.

I just think it's really beautiful. I wish I had more in me to be like an outdoor, like wilderness gal. Like I just, it's just really not me, but I have a lot of respect for people that do have that connection to the outdoors. But you also don't need to as well. You can be a couch enthusiast and just watch the show and think, wow, that's wild.

You know, I like to watch that, a blow zero show or the naked and afraid, even though they're a bit kind of game showy. I don't wanna do either of those things ever. But it's fascinating to me just to be like, oh yeah, that would be difficult. Or that would be super annoying. Or I can't do that, that's too hard.

I like sitting and watching those shows with like a can of whipped cream. Oh, what? To like, you haven't, yeah. You don't enjoy like a sweet treat while you're watching those shows. I mean, just really. A can of whipped cream?

You've never just sat and eaten a can of whipped cream. When I was like five, because I was like, oh, that's cool that it comes out like this. It's pretty good. As an adult, no. It still tastes as good. I'm judging the hell out of you. You could have been like a bag of chips or some chocolate. I mean, I'll take a bag of chips too, but I'm just saying. Yeah, it is good to watch that type of thing. I mean, you know, Joe and Rinella talked for a while about, you know, how people

generally function a lot better emotionally and otherwise in life, if they are tackling things that are very difficult. I mean, you see it often with Joe. It's why he was drawn to Jiu-Jitsu, martial arts, and, and also hunting because there's these elements in there that are very, very difficult. They take a lot of work. Now they're deeply satisfying as well. They don't just wear you out.

They're deeply satisfying and that they lead to skills that are for the individual really useful. And, you know, Renella and Rogan kind of embody that sort of spirit. It's why, why other men and other people, just kind of are led by them in a way. It's just they're, they're inspiring for that message. Yeah. That concept of mind over matter, right? Like it's so powerful. And even as someone who doesn't have a ton of like regiment, like regimented self care, there is absolutely something so invigorating about starting your day, doing something really hard,

like a workout or, you know, even like said, my time in Montana, for some reason, like getting out and like having to like clean off your car and shovel the snow out of your driveway, all of a sudden, the rest of your day feels a lot easier. And it's like just pretty invigorating. And so there are important elements of that, that, you know, people need to think about. Yeah. And it's just a really good move to have difficult things to do in your day. Yeah.

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My favorite part about starting my day and getting all the hard things out of the way is then you just don't feel any guilt about chilling. You just can veg out, you can spend your evenings inside, you can be as lazy as you want, knowing that you've pushed yourself. You've done the self care. You've taken care of what needed to be done.

And then you're just- I still don't recommend eating a can of whipped cream. That doesn't fit in. I don't think you can earn that. I mean, maybe at the end of a marathon. Yeah, maybe. Like maybe you're allowed. I think, yeah.

There's just something inherently wrong about that. I just don't know how much you've lived if you've never just eaten a whole can of cream. Steve talked about his new show coming out, what is it, Hunting History. So a lot of wilderness, kind of mysteries, survival stories, that sort of thing. I don't know a show or podcast that Steve has put together that wasn't

really intriguing and very good, very well done. So I am very much looking forward to hunting history. It'd be interesting to see kind of how he positions it all. And you know, he's often looking for new challenges and different ideas on how to kind of present information. So there will be not a twist on this, but it will be different than his other projects. And I'm looking forward to seeing kind of what he puts together, which is pretty exciting. Yeah. The topics that he discussed briefly, the episodes of the show that are forecast, it

all looks so interesting. I wouldn't call myself a history buff, but when it comes down to like, you know, these like primal, like, you know, in really fundamental ways that humans built societies and survived and it all really, especially as I think as I get older and you start to think more about like your food sources and all of the things, right? This show really, I think ties together a lot of those elements and I'm very excited for it. And is he doing a podcast as well or just the show?

I don't know, he'll probably talk about it on his podcast for sure. Because I mean, they go hand in hand. He already has a huge audience there. Yeah. I don't really know where he's releasing that. I should have looked. Maybe there's a link on Rogan's podcast thing.

I'll look that up. Yeah, one thing Rogan hits on was that video of Gavin Newsom. And I know this clip has been going around. I was going to play at the beginning, but Rogan already did on the show. And it's like, we don't need to review a clip of another clip that was shown, blah, blah, blah. But what a fucking creepy disgusting clip. I don't know if the point of the questioning and the conversation was just to be like, hey, you know, I'm being really positive right now. We're getting a lot of work done. We're going to be able to fix this and everyone's going to be really happy because we're getting

a lot of different people that are working together. If that was the message, he completely dropped the ball on it. And that's the only version of that message that seems reasonable to kind of have that jovial little smirk and be rocking his shoulders while standing in front of rubble. But it didn't come across like that because the words were, you know, we're having these prospectors come in to look at the land and buy things up and we want to move forward with that in days, not weeks. And it's like, what are you doing, dude? What are you doing? You didn't help put the fires out.

You cut budgets. They ran out of water because of, you know, incompetent leadership. And now what are you doing? Bringing in speculators to like buy up all the land. Yeah. Well, Who's that helping? He said he was consulting with the governor of Hawaii on how they handled the Maui fires and it's like, that was handled poorly. Why are you consulting with that person?

There's a lot of criticism about how that, you know, rebuilding effort is basically non-existent. And that was essentially their solution was sell it off. And obviously that's where a lot of the conspiracies came in, that it was planned and they did it on purpose. I don't know if I believe that, but I do think that there was some weird stuff that was going on. They were too quick in both of these scenarios to to be happy to sell the land off rather than give it back to the people who, who own it, give it, you know, fix it, give these people back their

homes, like help them rebuild their lives. Exactly. Is there something I'm missing about why that isn't the case? I mean, don't you just, and you know, forgive my ignorance, but do you just not kind of bulldoze the rubble away? You still have the foundation unless you need to kind of patch that or rebuild it. And then you just build another house on there. I don't want to make it seem like it's easy. It costs a lot of money and resources. But you know, is there something I'm missing to where they're like, no, no, no, we can't

do that. We have to completely just start over. Right. I mean, I would imagine there's many variables at play. One would be rebuilding costs when it's one house in a neighborhood. Obviously, you can bring in a crew and they can have it rebuilt in six months. Right. When it's a hundred houses, the entire neighborhood, it'll take 10, probably 10 years to rebuild that whole neighborhood.

So essentially what happens is the families get paid out by their, their insurance company, and then they can purchase on their own accord, either a new place of land or they can sell their property, you know, or the bank buys it and then resells it or whatever. Like there's, it's not like very stra. It's not super straightforward because a lot of people need to live in the meantime. So a lot of times they take that insurance money and they move states or they move to a different place

in California. And then when it comes to commercial property, I would assume it's similar, supply and demand, costs are gonna go up, they can't rebuild it all overnight. It's going to take a bit of time. And it also seems like people don't necessarily want to move back there, even if they live there a long time. I'm sure that there's a good percentage of the people

that lost their homes that are like, you know what? Kansas looks pretty good. Let's take our $5 million insurance payout and go live in a cheaper place that maybe has fire hydrants. But back to Gavin, like I think, I think the issue here is not that he's not dumb, so dumb to think that like, like he's obviously knows some of this, right? That like some of the land is going to get sold off. Like that's inevitable when you have a disaster,

it'll change hands, an investor who wants to buy it and sit on it, or has the means to bring in outside development teams from different places. Like that, he's not ignorant, he's not stupid, but the lack of sensitivity to the timing, to the subject, to the families is what gets me. It's like, just wait for that comment.

Just give it a few weeks. It's still so fresh. It's so raw. And his demeanor, it's like almost like he's excited for like this new phase of LA. It's like, no, like the problem is not what LA was, it's that you are in charge of this state and like you're, you need to take responsibility

for your role in mismanagement of this fire and of the resources to support fires in, you know, potential and future and past in the state of California. And he's just not owned up to it. And that like, if he would just say, I fucked up and I wanna do better, I think people would have a lot more respect for him. But he's basically-

Politicians never do that though, do they? Rarely. It's so rare. Rarely, but when they do, people are like, okay, I hear you, I'm listening. Yeah. You know? They should do it more. I'm behind you. I think it wouldn't backfire. I mean, don are like, okay, I hear you. I'm listening. You know, I'm behind you. I think it wouldn't backfire. I mean, don't get me wrong.

If they were doing it every week, it might seem pretty useless. It's like, there's very strong evidence that something went majorly wrong. And if he would just be like, you know what guys? Something wasn't right. Something went wrong. And I, as the leader of this state, like take responsibility.

I have to take some responsibility. He wants to be the president. If you don't take responsibility for it, then the sound bite that comes back at you just always sounds like an attack instead of, oh, I admitted I was wrong. So it's like, now this is just a fact that you even he agreed.

It's just ugly politics. I think there are a much stronger people out there and politicians and Gavin Newsom is just not that in the whole rock in his shoulders thing. I tried to find videos online of people kind of sticking up for what he said in the action to make some sense of it. There was a little bit of that, but nobody hit on his demeanor. people kind of sticking up for what he said in the action to make some sense of it. There was a little bit of that, but nobody hit on his demeanor. Everybody was like, what?

Yeah. What are you up to? Yeah. And again, like if you separate the content and the context of it from the visual, it's like, yes, these are, this is the reality. Yeah. If he looked really sad, explain that and then also said, look, this is not what we wanted, right?

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whatever, like that's an issue because that's an expensive part. The hills are an expensive part of LA. They generate a lot of revenue for the state. So obviously that's where his mind is. I would assume that's where his mind is going. Is like, we need to get this back. And the fastest way to do it is to bring in new people who are excited about it and have this like the mental

and financial resources to do this. But yeah, have some sensitivity, separate the two, do the work behind the scenes, but you don't need to put that out there. Like obviously he's under a lot of scrutiny and he really should have, you know, screened, someone should have screened what he was gonna say before he said it. Yeah, it's just like a political fuck up, you know?

And changing gears slightly, talking about political fuck-ups, they brought up Jordan Peterson's case. Oh yeah. I don't know how much you know about this. Yeah, I'm not really, I haven't followed it. I think we talked about it a bit when it first sorta went down, but fill me in.

Yeah, so as far as I know right now, the Canadian Psychology Association wants him to undergo some sort of like retraining program. There's like a social media expert that's going to, you know, kind of train him on how to use social media. Ultimately, some people complained. They weren't even people that were his clients in therapy or anyone that knew his clients.

So they were just random people from all different places, not even close to where he lived, that because he's so famous, just complained because they don't like what that, you know, he's been standing for. And it's just how the Canadian psychology association works. It's like, you get enough complaints, We've got to review it and then possibly suspend your license or give you some sort of additional training to kind of work your way out of it. Well, Jordan is very, very wealthy. He makes a shitload of money from his podcast.

He does like arena tours, speaking tours. I actually went to one in Billings and it was really interesting. It was very good actually. Surprisingly enough, the one thing I noticed that was really interesting is the amount of people who wore suits there because Jordan always wears suits. It was like people dressed up for it. It was really interesting. And also, you know, he writes books and his books sell very well. So this isn't a question of money for him. He doesn't, he hasn't even been, you know, he writes books and his books sell very well. So this isn't a question of money for him. He doesn't, he hasn't even been, I think, seeing clients and practicing

psychology with patients for a long time. But the reason he's going to fight it is because, um, it's just the right thing to do. So this is, that's kind of where he's faced. And you know, I think he knows Rennella, he definitely knows Joe, so it's one of those things. I mean, Canada just isn't the same as the US. It doesn't have free speech in the same way. And you know, you're seeing the results of that now.

And it's really highlighted because America is kind of leaning back into the importance of free speech. And, you know, there's been these debates for the past four years of what does it really mean? What side are you on? And to see Canada where he is and everything that Jordan basically got famous by pushing against compelled speech and you know, he's where he is.

Yeah. They don't let up, which is brutal. Yeah. He basically just said like, fuck you. Like I'm not doing that. Like, um, I'll just keep fighting this and he's, he's a great, he's a great,'s a great example example and he's so interesting so intelligent it is it's it's sort of one of those like I don't know sometimes I'm torn when a celebrity or a well-known individual gets pushed

back about something from random people. It sort of comes with the territory of being famous. I think there's this thread of professionalism that he has because he is this licensed psychologist, and there's this overseeing board over his like licensure. Whereas if he was just, oh, I've, I'm a researcher and I don't, you know, no one oversees like, or, you know, like if he's just like, I just am interested in this and I became famous because I'm interested and there's no like, you know, no board overseeing. It's like, who cares what people say? But because he's in this

position, it's a bigger deal. And it, I mean, it's probably not going to affect his popularity. Like, I think it's going to increase it. He wants to, he wants to document and basically televise the whole trial to highlight how it is. And you know, like Rogan said, good luck getting anyone to debate that guy. I mean, you can have all the fucking lawyers in the world and he will eat it to pieces. I mean, this is 100% what he's made for.

And he's been doing it for a decade, pushing back against these things. I mean, he's probably pumped for this. They don't know what they're getting themselves into. I don't think. I really do think it's one of those. Yeah. When was the last time he was on Rogan? It wasn't that long ago. Yeah, he came on not that long ago. It'll be interesting what his update is when he's often talk about Joe getting into politics. Number one, he's so popular that he could win some place if he wanted, whether it's

governor of Texas or like, you know, whatever, he could probably become a senator. But it's also because of the opinions that he has on the state of the country, which is, you know, somewhat newer, um, in his podcast. I mean, obviously when it very first started, it was just getting stoned with Redban and talking mad shit, but now so many people are listening. It's like here have a strong opinion and sometimes gets pulled into things as he's quoted or misquoted or whatever. So he, you know, hardens up his defense

and his opinion on it. And then it becomes almost more real. The people are like, you know, you could do a good job of this. You know, we're always looking for people that can represent us and our beliefs and do it well. And he's just like, why would I bother? I'm rich, I've got great jobs, I have a lot of fun,

and I don't need just people overly pissed off at me all the time. Yeah, I think from his perspective, it's just politics is such a mess, and you do have this like, you have this role that you play, this audience that you're like trying to speak for a certain like if you get elected by a certain party, essentially, like you basically have to pick

a side and then it's then you have to be loyal to the party and with his platform, he gets to say whatever he wants. He gets to give a voice to whoever he wants. He gets to influence the way that he wants. And I think he has more influence doing the podcast than he ever would influence the impact than he ever would in a public office. And, um, you know, I hope that this podcast continues to give a voice and to have a platform. And if anyone messes with it, I will like them on fire because it's, it's truly, it's so eyeopening some of the people that come on. I mean, you know, from all walks of life

and from all professions and from all angles, like, you know, getting to hear this, the real and raw long form version of their story and what they're going through. Like it's, you know, this is what true influences. And this is what's going to make an impact. Being someone in a political office is oftentimes you're just a puppet and that's not Joe.

Like I don't see him doing that. That's not going to work for him at all. No, no chance. Yeah. It's, it's interesting that you say that. I mean, his reach now and his potential to kind of like sway elections after this last one is ginormous. Yeah.

And I don't even know if it could work if he decided to run. It would almost seem like you would have to stop doing the show or something. Yeah. Yeah. Because I mean, there would be some rules about, again, the things he can say. But also, when you think about it, politicians, at least from my perspective, I'm not one, I'm not that involved with local politics particularly.

But you know, it's kind of funny because I think it, people think that politicians have a lot more direct influence and impact than they do. Right? Like for instance, they had this conversation about Stephen had some Senator, I think on his plane. Yeah, from Montana. Maybe he was flying out and some guy from Belgrade, which is a small town near Bozeman, was like, hey, we've got a lot of potholes. Can you get those fixed? Imagine how annoying that is. Yeah, just think about the stuff people come and say. And they are advocating for these big issues, but they can't just be like, hey, someone just told me that this is going on. Can we get out to Highway 91 and fix that

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Oh, I mean the winter is so brutal. Yeah. But there's a joke like you have like three seasons. It's like summer, winter and construction because road, road construction, winter and then construction season. Cause it's like all summer. It's just row repaving of all of the roads. Like every five years, like every main road gets repaved the sand, the,

the ice, the big vehicles, you know, again, the cold, the freezing and the melting, like it's so hard on the roads. And no matter what they do in every year or every couple of years, you know, repaving seasons, they probably innovate and they try new things, but they're just haven't found something that's as resilient as, you know, the winters are tough. Yeah. So, um, it's absolutely true. People are up there for different reasons.

It's skiing, it's the snowboarding, it's the hunting, it's the fishing. Yeah. One thing Steve was talking about was like the toxic levels of poisons and toxins in fish, freshwater fish. Now it's the Great Lakes and you've obviously heard like you don't want farm fresh salmon, right? You want from the sea. No. Because there's issues, antibiotics, illnesses, the meat looks different.

I'd never thought about it in terms of the lakes though, I guess, if they're the Great Lakes near big industry, bad. I assume the fish in areas that are far more isolated, like Montana, could be maybe better depending on what the runoff is and if there's mining around. Yeah. Um, but yeah, does that just really mean don't ever eat any of that fish? Um, not that I eat a lot of it, but I just never even thought about this. I think this is where the importance of knowing the source of your food comes,

comes in, right? Like, um, I don't know how much commercial fishing is done in places like Montana because cold access, labor, all of the things, right? Obviously like, you know, you know, you, the best, cleanest waters are like up in, like for like salmon, like the best salmon you can get is like from Alaska, right? And you want that over farmed salmon. You absolutely don't want to eat farmed salmon.

I just learned the other day that like 95% of farmed salmon are blind because they grow them so fast that they're blind. Isn't that weird? Whoa. Oh yeah. So never again. Even though like it's hard to know though. It's hard to know. If you go to a restaurant, I mean, you can ask, you can ask. And then a lot of times they'll be vague about it. But you know, I mean, I would just say if you eat it regularly, you want to know the source. You want it to be of good quality. You want to make sure that it doesn't have those things. want it to be of good quality. You want to make sure that it doesn't have those things. But if you can afford it, not everyone can.

Yeah, that's very true. Your question was, do you never eat it? I think within- Not much. Yeah, find the balance, figure out how to get a better source if you can. Like if it's part of your diet, your regular diet, you know, look for a better source.

If it's something you eat on occasion, I would just say, you know, enjoy it. Like that's my perspective. I'm not a nutritionist, I don't know, but, or a doctor, I would just say like, if it's something you eat a lot of, just like with beef, right? Like if you eat 90% of the protein you eat as beef,

you should probably seek like good sourced beef. Like, you eat 90% of the protein you eat as beef, you should probably seek like good sourced beef. Like, you know, but if you only eat it once a month, just go find a good cut that tastes really good and eat it and enjoy it and don't worry so much about it. Or get your blood levels checked. The only reason it was highlighted to me, I think the fish we were kept, is it rainbow trout? I really know nothing about fishing

and I went once to highlight up to that lake. And caught maybe 10 of them. It was like a lot was going on and I didn't really know what I was doing. So it was like, you know, getting lucky and in the right spot. And it was, they were just coming in, kept a lot of those fish. I ate a lot of them. Never did I once think, you know, are these like toxic for me? Like even when I was eating it, I remember thinking, oh, this is the best, healthiest way you could

ever get this type of food. And I don't know. Now I'm questioning it. Well, there's a lot of talk. I mean, even fish from rivers, like there's a lot of talk about sort of the, in the Gallatin Valley area where, you know, Steven sort of has bases, um, the, the pollution in the Gallatin river that comes from the resorts and things like that and big sky, like there's, obviously you should question, like when, when you start hearing about water pollution, you should question. I don't believe that getting any freshwater fish is worse than farmed.

Probably not. But again, you do your own research. We should probably do some more research. Listen to Stephen, send him some notes, ask him elaborate, please. You know, and you could probably even inquire with like the fish and wildlife, you know, organizations in your area and try to figure out if like they have any data on it, if they do nutritional data, if they do quality testing on animals that you can. They probably would. It would make sense.

I don't know. I would think that they would do it. Yeah. I mean, you know, the I don't know if the water in lakes is getting worse. I was under the impression it was getting better. I mean, Lake Erie once caught on fire because it was so polluted.

So I wouldn't be eating. Isn't that near like Detroit and Flint? No, that's near Cleveland. Oh, I mean, yeah, we think anywhere near a city. Detroit is Lake Michigan. Yeah. This is American public school system is failing me as we speak. Yeah. But the I mean, I lived in both of those cities.

OK, why? I know. Yeah. I'm not so geographically. I'm really bad with it. But I think the. Yeah, I mean, it's scary to think that your water, your water sources could be polluted in that way, so much so that they would light on fire. It's crazy.

Yeah, I mean, I guess that's the important of having- It was a long time ago when like the industrial revolution and there wasn't much, like if there was any EPA, I doubt, you know, so it was just, it was one of those things. It's like, we let things get out of control until we're like, we should have an agency to stop this.

This is a mess. And then eventually they become massive bureaucrats and there's tons of red tape and you can't do anything. Yeah. But, you know, they exist for a reason. I wanted to finish up with, you know, one of the stories that Steve told, um, the, about the guys in the 1970s that were up there in Canada somewhere by, by the rivers and they had all these different cabins and this one guy got down, what did they call him?

John the Baptist, I think that was like what he thought his name was. And, and you know, this is based on a true story. I mean, he talked to one of the guys about this and the guy basically came into camp. He was deserted by his other buddy that showed up there. So he's kind of stranded now. He's trying to make his way, you know, they didn't really want him too near them

because he kept taking all their shit. And, you know, after stealing a bunch of their things, plus their snowshoes or one of their snowshoes, legs it off to a cabin. And, you know, many months later, if not years, I don't know when they found him. Um, yeah, dead in a sleeping bag. It's just there. And it's so wild always. And, you know, Steve tells some stories about kind of like starving to death for these people that went out and they were trying to get beaver pelts and things.

They were hoping there would be deer and elk they could hunt. There wasn't. They're just slowly starving to death and somebody's got a journal and really documenting it all. I mean, number one, that stuff isn't that long ago. I mean, the 1970s claim it wasn't like lots of people back then are doing that and dying, but... They're just baffling stories.

Like, it's the kind of thing that, you know, when I'm going to sleep, I just start kind of like trying to imagine myself going through it. And it's like, one, I don't have any experience to just kind of be roughing it on my own in the snowy wilderness of Canada and trying to survive. Yeah. But even the people that know it's so difficult at any minute, you can just get stuck, eventually run out of energy. And then it's just a long process of starvation, you know?

And that's if you're not getting eaten by something out there. Right. I don't know. It's entirely possible. We watched that show like alone in like the Alaskan wilderness. Oh my gosh. Again, like getting back to like, it's just pure entertainment. Like you can't look away.

I mean, one, the characters to the stories but also the thought that one I mean the knowledge and experience these people have like they go into it they're the most experienced hunters trappers fishermen why wilderness enthusiasts out there. I mean they have to go through rigorous application process and interviews and testing and field tests and to make sure that they actually can do this because it's their lives on the line. I mean, they literally could die. I mean, they obviously are checking in with them. They have the emergency phone and they have, you know, uh, but it's still possible. Oh my gosh. But yeah, like, I mean, the, it turns so quickly out there when it is that cold

and you're literally exposed to the elements, you're exposed to the wildlife. It can turn in a moment. And the second you run out of warmth, water, food, like you're fucked. It's not uncommon that within like three or four days of that show starting, half the people have dropped out. Yeah, yeah. I mean, and they, all of these people know what they're doing.

And they say like, well, I've been out for three months living off the grid and no problem, but maybe it's in some warmer climate and that makes a huge, huge difference. Or they lose their fire starter. Or something takes all their food or they're just, they can't get any food. That's the craziest when they're just like,

I've lost my fire starter. I'm not gonna make it through the night. I've gotta go. And they just, they, you know, the know how like to, that that's- Have to fire starter. Like, I don't know if that's allowed. Cause what, how many items do they get?

10? I'm not sure. I think they get like 10 items and one personal like photo or something like that, which isn't one of their items. And- Vending machine, microwave, heated blanket. Electric kettle, yeah.

Yeah, the, you know, so anyways, I mean, I take my hat off to those people. I never want to be in that position, but I love the snow. I love how beautiful and peaceful it is. I love the cold. I love a white Christmas, but oh my gosh, I do not want to be trying to forge for food, building a shelter, boiling my own water, figuring out how to survive not only from the cold,

but from the wild life. There's something very kind of romantic about the idea of this, like building your cabin and living there. And I think the reality of life will kick in very, very quickly. And all you want to do is just get back to real life and have a bath, a hot one, sit in a hot tub. Yeah, exactly.

Cabin with a hot tub. That's a dream. Yeah. Well, that about covers it for this week. Steve Rinella was great on this as always. I mean, stories are fantastic. Just articulate so well. Really looking forward to hunting history

and seeing what that's all about. And yeah, Gavin Newsom, still a dick. Still a dick. Still a dick. Surprise, surprise. All right. Thanks a lot, guys, for listening, as always. And we will talk to you next week. Cheers, y'all.

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