Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 425 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Dan Richards

Episode Date: February 12, 2025

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Starting point is 00:01:54 in the Joe Rogan Experience Podcast and pass them on to you, perhaps expand a little bit. We are not associated with Joe Rogan in any way. Think of us as the talking dead to Joe's walking dead. You're listening to the Joe Rogan Experience Review. What a bizarre thing we've created. Now with your host, Adam Thorn. This might either be the worst podcast or the best one of all time. One, go. Enjoy the show. I guess it's probably a good time to talk about this. There was a thing that came out recently. There was a book. there was some book about the Kamala Harris campaign where they talked about her
Starting point is 00:02:27 getting on this show and they said a bunch of things that weren't true. They talked to, supposedly talked to like 150 different people about her and you know what happened with her coming on this show. I don't know if it's 150, a lot of people. They didn't talk to us and which is kind of crazy. They didn't even ask. But they said things that just weren't true. One of the things they said that weren't true was that we lied about the day that Trump was coming on. No, we just didn't tell you that Trump was coming on. He was already booked a long time ago. This is how it worked. Trump was really easy to book. Like super easy.
Starting point is 00:03:09 We offered one day, he said, yes, that was it. There was no, what are we going to talk about? How long is it going to be? Is it going to be edited? There was nothing. Yeah. What's the rave waiver here? Give me that waiver. Sign it.
Starting point is 00:03:18 It was. There we go folks. This is the controversy that's happening with the Kamala Harris, Joe Rogan conversation. I mean, there's been many articles written right now about what happened, why Kamala didn't go on, or Kamala. And where are we with this? You know? It's like, is everything that they're saying bullshit
Starting point is 00:03:53 over there? I mean, I'm starting to think so. Like they're really hammering Joe about this. And it's like, why even do damage control after you lost this hard? I don't know. What do you think? I find it unfortunate and sort of discouraging how much misinformation is
Starting point is 00:04:17 spread during election seasons. and the rumors that go around during this time about both parties. And a lot of it is taken out of context. And truly a lot of them just like there's not a lot of truth to them. And I just find it wild. These stories take off before facts are checked. And in this scenario, we all, lovers of Joe Rogan fans, I guess, and people who love the Joe Rogan experience,
Starting point is 00:05:03 wanna believe that he was in the right here and that he's telling the truth here. Obviously, there's not any way to validate this entirely, but I believe he's telling the truth. I believe he's telling the correct like series of events. And yeah, I mean, there's a lot of random, like peculiar circumstances around Kamala coming on the show
Starting point is 00:05:34 and why she didn't come on the show. And as Joe explains, I mean, getting Trump on was easy. It was, here's the day, okay, sign the waiver, you're on, show up, just him, three hours and it's normal. As it typically should be for a Joe Rogan experience guest, nothing complicated about it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:58 Yeah, that's what it sounds like to me. And, uh, you know, this was covered in the Dan Richards episode. And you know if this was covered in the dan richards episode obviously this is a bit of a sideline to most of. Joe and dan's conversation but it was the most controversial thing happened in the rogans fear up until now and you know honestly i. I was kind of like curious about how this went down. Like I didn't expect Joe to run some sort of, you know, Psy-op against Kamala. But at the same time, I'm like, all right, well, you're hearing this from,
Starting point is 00:06:43 from their side and I, and I feel like they would have wanted her on. Like that's a good move. Maybe they really couldn't like get her on. No, turns out she didn't want to go is what I think. I mean, if all of the things like all of the ways that he made it possible, she basically made it impossible. She, for every reason that he was like, this makes sense, let's make it easy. She was like, this is not what I want.
Starting point is 00:07:09 And I'm going to show that through making it complicated. Yeah, it is so unfortunate. I mean, he talked a bit about, you know, wanting to have had both guests on Trump as a guest and Kamala as a guest and releasing the episodes on the same day. No, no, he didn't want them on together. He was just gonna release. Release the episodes on the same day. Right. And I mean like he didn't want to be, he wasn't trying to be biased in his own right.
Starting point is 00:07:41 Like he was he was really trying to give both candidates an open platform, a large, influential, widespread platform to speak their message. And one of those two parties just simply forfeited that opportunity. That's so wild. Yeah. They had a billion dollar budget to figure out how to become president. And they didn't have a team that was like, oh, podcast. Like even if you had a team that was like, yeah, I don't think you should go on a lot of podcasts.
Starting point is 00:08:19 Like how do you miss Rogan's? Yeah. And then there's like this weird, like, what is it? CBS or one of the channels is like highly edited. You know, they're careful about the question. I don't think she can handle any questions. I think world leaders facing her would have eaten her to pieces.
Starting point is 00:08:42 And that was the best you could bring to the table. Like I'm open to people that are like strong leaders, like always on any side. I love to like listen to somebody that can like affirm their position, stand by it. And it's like, this is what I want. Yeah, I think, you know, as a younger person, a younger adult leader, thinking think, you know, as a younger person, a younger adult, thinking about who you want to vote for, you go into the world thinking about sort of this personality that the leader of your country will have.
Starting point is 00:09:20 And it's something along the lines of the averages of who has been, you know? There's the George W. Bushes, there's the J.F. Kennedys, there's the, you know, the George Washingtons, which obviously we know nothing about personality. Very little about personality-wise because there's no television and video recording of that. But that said, like, you know, as someone who sort who entered the voting world in the Obama era, you have this mindset of, okay, someone who is well-spoken, it's someone who's confident, it's someone
Starting point is 00:09:58 who's likable and someone who's like, you know, genuine, honestly, more than anything. That's something that I respect about Obama as a human, right? And as a candidate is his genuineness. I don't know that I feel that directly from Trump, but I feel like with Kamala, there's this fake, like level of fakeness where it's like, she's really trying to be genuine and it's like, she's failing at it. Like, cause she's the opposite of that.
Starting point is 00:10:36 Whereas Trump is genuinely him. And it's not what I always expected as someone who wasn't gonna be our president, who was gonna be, you president, who was going to be a world leader. But when you compare the two personality wise, it's like, who do you want standing up for you? Someone who is scared, someone who kind of lies,
Starting point is 00:11:00 who kind of shies away from the hard truths of what is her reality? Or do you want someone that says, yeah, maybe like, maybe I fucked up. Maybe I've been a bad person, but here's what I'm going to do that is good. And is like really brave and strong about it. Yeah, that's an interesting one. I mean, you know, I don't think it's unreasonable. And Joe said it before, like, you know, Obama was a good statesman. He was a strong statesman. He was what we expect a president to sound like.
Starting point is 00:11:34 However, we really want a president to act like, and I don't think Obama did that. I don't think he backed it up with like acting like it. This podcast is brought to you in part by Stash. Saving and investing can feel impossible. But with Stash, it's not just a reality, it's easy. Stash isn't just an investing app. It's a registered investment advisor that combines automated investing
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Starting point is 00:13:20 I think he spoke like it and that was great, but I don't think he acted like it. Yeah. From what I can tell. Potentially, yeah. I mean, that's very. It's just my opinion. Oh, for sure.
Starting point is 00:13:32 I mean, everyone is entitled to their opinion and that's the great thing about living in a free country. Right? We get to make our own decisions. Yeah, and we can be wrong. We can be wrong, yeah. We can feel right and we can be wrong, right? And there shouldn't be any judgment there.
Starting point is 00:13:48 100%, like Obama sort of embodied for a lot of people what you said, like he was a statesman, he spoke well. And when Trump sort of came onto the scene, it was like, who is this person that is like not a political person? Like who is not a political careers man? And yet in office, he speaks to a lot of people. Like he really gets a lot of people feeling confident
Starting point is 00:14:19 in him and he hasn't had a history of it. Right? Yeah. I mean, listen, Obama got out of power. He was in for eight years. And I would say like the more impoverished areas, the South Side of Chicago, you know, primarily like poorer black neighborhoods didn't improve a lot. And that was the hope, the dream. And I wanted it to be true too. Right. And, you know, forgive me if I'm wrong. But if
Starting point is 00:14:51 your neighborhood improved greatly, like, fuck yeah, power to you and good. And I want to hear about it. But I don't think it did. I don't think he focused on that. And that's heartbreaking. To run on something like that. But anyway, so Dan Richards came on, not to talk about this, but Joe had to cover it. And Dan is like, not one of those pseudo archaeologists. He's kind of more of a guy that... How would you describe him? Like, he's skeptical of a lot of the types of discoveries,
Starting point is 00:15:38 like how the pyramids were built, how these stones were put together, all the rest of it. Yet he also is asking the question all the time like, yeah, maybe it isn't this way that, you know, the ancient aliens crew is saying that's how it was built. But how the fuck was it put there? Like what's going on? I don't believe mainstream archaeology. I think it's older. I think it's different. What's going on? I don't believe mainstream archeology. I think it's older. I think it's different.
Starting point is 00:16:07 What's the story? You know? And, you know, they get into it with the Ark of the Covenant, right? Which is an interesting one because it's like Indiana Jones. It's, you know, the Bible. And they're saying it's in Ethiopia. It's in this old church, this super old church. Where do you go from there? Yeah, I genuinely don't know. Like, I mean, some of these concepts are a bit far, far reach for me. Like I don't think about ancient ruins
Starting point is 00:16:49 on a regular basis. And I don't think about the control that is had over those and sort of like what that means for, for different cultures in different countries. What I found really interesting about this conversation and this topic in general was that they've found that priests who guard this arc of the covenant covenant, excuse me, suffer from radiation poisoning. And in the same vein, blindness and shorter lifespans. And some of that, I wonder like, is this coincidence due to like other environmental circumstances or does this have to do with this ancient ruin and of itself?
Starting point is 00:17:44 Well, who is checking that? I don't know. Who is like going in there and being like, you know, checking that radiation poisoning and that blindness. Well, maybe nobody, but maybe we should be. Maybe they just already picked a bunch of blind priests. Yeah, as I say, maybe there's a coincidence.
Starting point is 00:18:00 Maybe these two priests that have been exposed to this have also been previously exposed to something else. But I feel like there's a coincidence. Maybe these two priests that have been exposed to this have also been previously exposed to something else. But I feel like there's- I think that if people thought the Ark of the Covenant was in some Ethiopian church, I don't know how difficult it would be for some people to take it. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:18:24 You know? Yeah, I do. Yeah, I don't know. You know? Yeah, I do know, but I don't know. Well, look, if it was like a UFO landed, and we talked about that on previous shows, they send in, you know, Black Hawk helicopters. They're gonna scoop it up. Right. I feel like the Ark of the Covenant
Starting point is 00:18:43 is like something people would investigate heavily. So what you're saying is you think it's not real? No, well, yeah, I think nothing is there for sure. Yeah. I think we could find out. I think someone could walk by with what do they call those things? A Gaia counter? Yeah. Like clicking away and be like, oh, wow, it's a lot of radiation over there.
Starting point is 00:19:05 Maybe we should check that out. But I mean, how hard is that? How, what's the, what's the kind of security on this Ethiopian church? Yeah, probably none. I mean, it's hard to say. A couple of blind priests, they're going to be easy to trick. You just like throw a rock to the left and they're like, oh, it's over there.
Starting point is 00:19:29 And just walk around. God bless them, they're doing their best, but. Well, to be fair, I mean, Dan takes a really balanced approach in this realm. He's into alternative history, you know, and I'd say that he's a skeptic. He called out a few theories that I would say don't hold up, you know, like the idea of ancient stone blocks producing electricity through through peas electricity. Am I saying that right?
Starting point is 00:20:06 Peas electricity? Peas-o. Peas-o electricity. That's a good note that you wrote down. Yeah. Pais-o. Pais-o. Pais-o.
Starting point is 00:20:15 Peas-o electricity. Yeah, that's an interesting spelling. I like your notes sometimes. Yeah, my notes are really good. Yeah. They're really thorough. Well, they're just hard to read. Yeah, I mean, look, Dan, you know, he's a skeptic.
Starting point is 00:20:31 He challenges mainstream alternative narratives. He's also not, you know, jumping down the ancient aliens route, too. Right. You know, he doesn't just go, oh yeah, they melted this together with some super technology. He doesn't pretend to know how things are working, but he questions it, which is great. And he does it well. He's respectful of other ideas, which is really how we can make sense of, you know,
Starting point is 00:21:08 what is really happening. He can bring people in, chat with them, and even if they think completely different than he does, he can find just kind of like a middle ground. Like, yeah, yeah, that doesn't really make sense. But I like where you're coming from. Are you open to this? And that's really where the dialogue is breaking down, as far as I can tell with, you know, archaeology and the quote-unquote pseudo-archaeologists. Is they're at war with each other.
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Starting point is 00:22:51 show for sure, both factual and just evidential information that challenges both narratives of what is mainstream and what is alternative. I think it's really natural for people to pick a side and to say, I just basically resonate with this opinion, this viewpoint on this topic. This supports my narrative rate of what I find important, what I value, what I think is critical and what is valuable. But I think people don't always search for true actual evidence. They search for evidence that supports their narrative. And I think there's a real problem in that. And I've said this before,
Starting point is 00:23:50 I'll say it again, there, there are three sides to every story and you know, finding the truth should always be the goal, not substantiating your side of the story. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And that's always the problem. It's like, are they open? Are they willing to listen? And do you need a PhD to have an opinion?
Starting point is 00:24:18 Right. And who knows? Especially if there's a lot of pressure in that world to just follow the narrative. I mean, I think a lot of good PhD archeologists are shut down with their theories because they're not even given the space to attempt it. And it's, you know, they're all guessing, really.
Starting point is 00:24:40 Well, that's where funding for certain research projects comes into play, right? I mean, a lot of funding for research is looking for a specific answer from the research, a specific support in hypothesis. Are you saying pacific or specific? Specific. Oh, good. Specific.
Starting point is 00:25:00 Solid. Yeah, right? Like, you know, projects that are, you know, or research initiatives that are looking to support or, you know, challenge some mindset over something, like, or some evidence. Like, you can basically take scientific evidence in any, almost in any context
Starting point is 00:25:23 to support one side or another. That's where it gets scary. Gets real scary. And we've talked about that before. Yeah, yeah, it gets real scary. I mean, look, let's jump over to something that's a bit more exciting, the Mars anomalies. Okay, so we have what looks like the base of a pyramid on Mars.
Starting point is 00:25:49 Now this is not a new photo folks. Okay, we've had this a while. I say we, not me, but I don't know NASA, I guess. And it looks like perfectly square. What would that be? The base of a pyramid? Like, I don't know how long it would take for a pyramid to erode away. I assume the base would last the longest.
Starting point is 00:26:17 What do we think? Is this really the sign of ancient construction? Is it bullshit? Is it like the face? I mean, the face is close to that. Where do we go from here? Yeah, I think that's the question, you know. Land some shit, Elon.
Starting point is 00:26:40 Get your robots out there. Start walking around with your your humanoid robot things, and just dig it up. I mean, it's hard. You think about shadows and light reflection in general. Sometimes there are weird anomalies that don't feel real. The people are like, oh, I saw an angel, or oh, I saw this. And so I find it hard to believe that like this like one or like very limited imaging that we have of Mars from this company is like specifically exhaustive, right? I guess
Starting point is 00:27:19 not specific, but is exhaustive. Um, and I, you know, I don't know, it's part of me feels like we've been here before. Like we've speculated about shadows of things on Mars before. And it like wasn't really that big of a deal. and it like wasn't really that big of a deal. I don't know if you recall, but. You mean the face? Yeah, it was like this like face that they found on Mars.
Starting point is 00:28:02 Yeah. And it turned out to just be shadows playing tricks on the camera and we all kind of freaked out. We were like, oh my God, what is this? What is this? And it really turned out to be nothing. And so I feel like with- Maybe it is though.
Starting point is 00:28:17 Well, maybe it is, but maybe it's not. I don't know. I have such a hard time because sometimes I'm like, God, I get really excited and I get super like worked up. And then I'm like, oh my gosh, like I have real life to think about. And obviously I want to know about these like crazy far fetched possibilities and I want to be ahead. Don't get me wrong. Like I want to know and I want to be expect., I wanna be ahead of the normal, like expectation of what's happening.
Starting point is 00:28:49 But I also, sometimes I feel like it takes me away from reality to think about things that are so farfetched and so like mind bending, you know, even when they talk about the pyramids on the, on earth, they're like, but it's not possible. The physics of this. I'm like, I just like to think they're here, they're here and that's it. And I'm living this life and I'm doing my thing and I'm trying to get by every single day and you know, be a good wife, be a good mom, be a good daughter,
Starting point is 00:29:19 be a good all these things. And yet there's this like existential fear and crisis that I'm experiencing from like the external influence and the external information that comes in about things like this. Yeah. I mean, look, a lot of people are busy. A lot of people can't break down, you know, all these different aspects of politics and you know, ancient history and the rest of it. I mean, I think that's where reading books comes in.
Starting point is 00:29:51 Yeah. You know? Maybe, yeah. It opens you up to like other things that are happening. And I don't know, each your own. Like it's not for everyone, I guess. Yeah. But, you know, one of the bigger things that Dan talked about that kind of hit me and was
Starting point is 00:30:13 kind of shocking and I, well, not kind of shocking, very shocking, was when he was talking about the, like that controversy in South America where there's this archaeologist down there and he's doing work. People start reporting him as like some sort of CIA plant in like a government that's, you know, very volatile. And you know, it's putting his life in danger over archeology. Like what? I mean, look, I get it. You're passionate in your world,
Starting point is 00:30:54 but like why would you put someone's life at risk? Well, yeah, I mean, what gets me is that like, he's seeking the truth. Like he's not seeking misinformation. He's not seeking to like intentionally skew mindsets, opinions, preferences, one way or another. He's, he's seeking the truth and. Um.
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Starting point is 00:32:20 who is truly trying to better humankind and the knowledge that we possess could be risking their life to do so? That feels really sad and scary. That being said, it's been part of human history for a long time. Anyone who challenges the status quo is always at risk. And Dan just seems to be someone who is like, it's worth it. He's one of the few, he's a trailblazer.
Starting point is 00:32:52 And we should be really grateful for people like this. I mean, as specific an individual as he is, his kind is really important to the future of our kind. And for people like us, like those who listen to Joe Rogan, who genuinely just seek the truth and are not looking for a one-sided story, who want all the information, who want the truth about everything,
Starting point is 00:33:16 like the truth seekers out there, you know, we're with you in solidarity, I guess, because it feels really hard to hear about people who are genuinely just looking for information, factual information, scientific evidence, and they're being told that like they're doing something wrong. Looking for the ultimate online casino experience? Step into the BetMGM Casino app where every deal, spin and goal brings Las Vegas excitement into the palm of your hand. Take your seat at premium Blackjack Pro where strategy meets top
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Starting point is 00:34:29 Yeah. Yeah. What about the cocaine in mummies? Yeah, let's finish up with that. I mean, this was another one that was, you know. It was like 40 minutes of the podcast. Yeah. And it should be. It should be. I mean, this was another one that was, you know, it was like 40 minutes of the podcast. Yeah. And it should be, it should be. How did cocaine get in a fucking mummy?
Starting point is 00:34:50 I mean, at first it made me laugh. You know, they talked about the fact that this had happened that mummies were testing positive cocaine. And then when they broke it down a little bit more you started to like kind of see the different obviously speculations the different Hypothesis of how this happened. Um Yeah, leave what you want. I'm sure there's a culmination of things that led to this It's still funny to think about I mean
Starting point is 00:35:20 Everyone likes to get everyone likes to have a good time When they were alive, I guess. Yeah, but I mean, I liked what Dan said. Like, you know, contamination makes sense. But like also you have to ask yourself, who the fuck is doing cocaine over a mummy or even near a mummy? Like the people, like, is this a thing in the world of
Starting point is 00:35:48 like archaeology? I don't even know. Is it an archaeologist that like, you know, delves into a mummy? Is it, is it, no, it's not a doctor, but like who would, who would be like sifting through But like who would who would be like sifting through mummy bones? Like what job is that? And why are those people doing cocaine? I just want to know how are they doing this unsupervised? I mean, like, how could they find a mummy? You probably work at a museum. Maybe it's like, I don't know what it takes to do that.
Starting point is 00:36:20 You're a historian. You're just like, let me just do one historians doing cocaine. Just one bump and then they do one bump and they spill it and then they scrape up what they can and they put the mummy back. And then the next person is like, what the fuck? They're talking about hair samples though. Like it wouldn't it be in the hair then? Is it like, is it floating on top of the hair? Can you wash the hair or is it like in the hair? I don't know. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:36:51 I wish I could be there. I wish I could be a part of it. Cause I wanna know more. I know. I wanna know how they justified declaring the mummies tested positive for cocaine. Yeah. The last thing I want to hit on is like the Gobeckle Teppi
Starting point is 00:37:09 stuff, the Bimini Road. Like Dan talks about a lot of very ancient stuff that Joe is discussed many times. And it's like when we're talking about the timeline, I mean I remember being in college in like 2005 and like I didn't take archaeology courses but I took history the rest of it and and it's like oh yeah it was like a little bit before the pyramids we are in this place. Right? It's like, just a little bit before the pyramids, everyone was a caveman. And that's because they just didn't have an answer.
Starting point is 00:37:54 And now with Gobekhli Tepe, like 12, 13,000 years old, or 12, I don't know what it is. You know, we know shit is way older. So where, you know, why are they not adjusting? Why is it, why are they so firm and held in, in, you know, their thinking? It's like, I don't think it helps archeology and it's certainly not creating trust in people if they just hold onto this narrative. It's like, yeah, yeah, you got to hold your paradigm to like, exist.
Starting point is 00:38:34 Your PhD is the rest of it, but also you have to be flexible, right? I mean, I don't know. I love what Dan's doing. I love his approach. I think it's really effective. I hope that he comes on Rogan again. He just covers it all. Ancient mysteries, lost tech, cocaine mummies, of course. And you know, I think it's great. So check this episode out, it was solid, and we'll talk to you guys next week. Love you all the rules. I never know what's gonna happen. We get serious ones, I've talked with meth dealers on their way to prison, I've talked to people who survived mass shootings, crazy funny
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