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Episode Date: March 9, 2025

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walking dead. You're listening to the Joe Rogan Experience Review. What a bizarre thing we've created. Now with your host, Adam Thorn. This might even be the worst podcast, but, but the best one of all time. Two, one, go. Enjoy the show. Yeah. So you were like initially, I know there were some talks about you purchasing OpenAI and which started off nonprofit

and then stopped being nonprofit. Yeah, I mean, the whole idea of creating open air was, was my idea. I mean, I named it open AI as an open source, artificial intelligence. That's what it's named after. Now it is closed source and full maximum profit. So it's like, I mean, to some degree, I think reality is an irony maximizer. Um, the most ironic outcome is the most likely, especially if it's like the most I mean, to some degree, I think reality is an irony maximizer. The most ironic outcome is the most likely, especially if it's like the most ironic, entertaining

outcome is the most likely. And I wanted to start something that was the opposite of Google because I was concerned about Google's Google wasn't paying enough attention to AI safety in my opinion. So I was like, what's the opposite of Google? It would be a nonprofit open source AI. Yep. But sadly, chat GPT decided they're not going to go that way. And they've gone for for profit. So here we are doing the Rogan review for the Elon episode joined today by my brother from a different mother, Trevor. Thanks for being here. What's going on man? And we wanted to introduce a new show that we had made together called The Doge Report. So there will be a link in a bio,

it's up now on Apple and Spotify. We're just getting the first few episodes down. This is a perfect time to have Trevor on and break down some of Elon's message and what's going on with Doge. But the idea of that show is just that I didn't find another show that was really summarizing what Doge was up to. And Trevor was up for the task and we're going to try and make sense of what's happening and create a weekly breakdown of it for everybody. So if you're into that sort of thing, if that's interesting to you, check it out. We'd appreciate it and yeah, we're gonna do our best to make it a good show. Yeah, so let's get into it.

Lot to unpack on this episode. It kicks off with Elon just trying to, you know, he's showing off some grok, AI sexy and unhinged modes. Quite funny. I don't know how useful, but pretty interesting to have like these different personalities that are coming in with AI. One of the ones that they said was a therapist AI, which I think could be quite useful potentially Yeah, I like that. They're giving it kind of different personalities and you can apply it to different purposes

It's gonna be pretty cool. Yeah That what is what did they call that one with a bad attitude? Uh unhinged unhinged. Yeah unhinged So a little bit of shit. Mm-hmm. And then they were saying probably that in the next five years we're gonna have full-on AI sex bots. I mean, I think we've been saying the next five years for many five years. It's almost like when Al Gore's saying we're gonna be underwater in five years if we don't recycle our cans and We've always been we've been saying that we say that for everything. Yeah, like whenever hoverboards are gonna come out next year 14 flying cars

They're on their way. Yeah, they're on their way, but you know those the world I can't write Jesus is gonna be back the end of the world's coming back. Oh, yeah There are some groups that do that for sure. For sure. The sex pod industry is gonna be a huge industry though once they get past a certain point. It's I feel the same way with with like VR and AR stuff. It's like Right now it kind of works. There's some cool stuff, you know, they had a go at it in the nineties.

It was really clunky, but there's gonna be this point where it's just undeniable when it's a bit matrix-y. And as soon as they have these robots walking around, looking, I don't know what the number would be, like 80% like accurate to a human. But obviously, you know, still a super hot lady, it's gonna, that's gonna be it. You're gonna win. Women are gonna be out of work. Completely. It's gonna,

it's gonna flip things on its head real fast. Yeah, there's a show about that. And they're really like the technology gets good. And then, you you know they just hire a maid you know a good looking maid to start cleaning the house because everybody's busy mm-hmm and you know that one thing leads to the next and and your robot maid is pregnant. Exactly and it all falls apart. Is that cheating? Good point. I mean it probably feels like it. Yeah. But yeah. I mean to be fair though like you know I've heard of girlfriends of friends of mine getting mad that they were caught looking at

some porn or I mean I guess there, there's elements that any non other human interaction that could be seen as not necessarily cheating, but disrespectful. Maybe to some degree. I don't know. I don't know. Who knows? They, uh, they kind of warm this whole thing up with what's going on at Fort Knox. So, you know, this is a lot of talk today.

I don't really know if what Doge is trying to do is get in there and prove that all the gold's gone. I think maybe that's just a good headline and a good talking point. It seems like it's had an army around the building for 24 hours a day for the last 60 years. I can't imagine that anything is missing. But you know when you haven't had any kind of audit of it for however many years, a long time, I think before we were born, it's probably a good idea to go in there and do that. It's probably a good move. Yeah, there and do that It's probably a good move

Yeah, maybe it was never even there. Oh the gold. Yeah, that'd be wild. Do you have proof that it was ever there? I've never seen a picture Yeah, do they have pictures of it's like four knots. They just like Roll that clip of Indiana Jones, you know That's all they do It's just it's just like the crate in there. It just shows DuckTales the cartoon like wait a minute. This isn't facts Yeah, yeah, I like how they I call them out on it though. I thought that was pretty funny Oh cool on them conspiracy theorists. Yeah. Yeah, that was good gold. That is good I mean it is like what are you, a conspiracy theorist?

To be fair, even if it turned out to be very correct, to even think it, you definitely are. Yeah, and Joe owned it, he's like, yes. Yeah. I'm a bit worried these days when I talk to my friends and they don't have conspiracies for me. I'm like, like you guys not thinking You just believe everything that you like it kind of scares me a little bit. I'm like, oh no. Oh

dear Yeah, I think people like sensational ideas, right? Yeah, and I mean don't don't get it from your soap operas You got to find it somewhere somewhere Well, don't come at me with flat earth, but you know if you're questioning things I'm like, yeah, I'm into it I mean, especially now that you know, we can break down parts of history and go back to things that are you know, like the Bay of Pigs stuff for the I Mean even poor harbor things. It's like stuff that has been proven, there's been communication about it, there were notes written, it's like, oh these things really happen. If it was all of time every conspiracy is just like it never went

anywhere, I'd be like yeah it's a bad move to believe in conspiracies. Right. I mean, you know, then you start watching 9-11 videos again, you're just like, oh, here we go. Gotta turn it off, dude. Confusion. I worked in the industry a little bit when I was in the military.

You know, one thing that the government is definitely really good at is psychological warfare and denial and deception and We put a lot of money into it just a little cookie crumbs, you know, just to keep people on on the wrong path Just reasonable enough to make you doubt it. That's all I gotta do. You think that's the case with like UFOs and shit. I Don't know man. I can't put my finger on that. Because I mean the Pentagon is coming out and saying yes, there are these things We don't know what they are. We also have been denying them and working hard to deny them for about 50 60 years Looking for the ultimate online casino experience?

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Answer that's a conspiracy theory right there, but it also is kind of reasonable Yeah Yeah, I think it's more likely the government has some secret program and that they're Just trying to throw us off the trail. Mmm. Well Elon talked about that. He doesn't think so. He doesn't think that they're like... What did he say again? Well, he was like, we're not... I don't... Like, we're not reverse engineering anything.

I would know about it. Yeah, he's like, where's the tech? Like, if it's true, right, we have tech, why aren't they... Why does SpaceX have the biggest? The biggest government contract for getting materials into space Yeah, he's like we're the best at it if all the people had this they use it and be that's a good point space Yeah, I mean it is it's a good point for why the government's not working on technology or some other like foreign State that has better technology than us. It seems to me that either he knows like absolutely for sure that something's here and he's seen a ton of it that he's just like I'm just gonna deny it for now or

there isn't anything. I mean with the amount of satellites that he has you're telling me they don't have like a camera on them He could put just like a galaxy s-25 on each one of those just to snap some shots I mean if something is somewhere he he'd know he'd be the guy that would know Yeah, maybe even good high-def imagery of a UFO off one of those satellites the US government's gonna be so far up his butt Collecting all that information. He's never gonna be able to get it out. Right. They might say if you release this, like you're a terrorist.

Or take every contract. He's like, okay, I won't say anything. I promise. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what to believe from him when, when he just keeps denying it like that. Either he's right or wrong or whatever, but it ruins my day a little bit. I'm like, come on, dude, you got to give us some alien hope.

So boring. That was Joe's take on it too. And they also said, oh, maybe Elon is just one of the aliens. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Well, let Elon is just one of the aliens. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Well, let's get into the Doge stuff. One thing that you've said to me before, uh, Trevor, which is interesting and why doing the Doge report with you is, is something that like, you're the person I

wanted to do it with you like, well, they're trying to run the government like a company and the government isn't a company. Can you just differentiate those things? I mean, it clearly isn't, it is court of government, but what elements of it aren't? And you don't have to spend too much time on it, but just to kind of break that down I mean, yeah, our police force or fire department or public education It's all not none of that's run for profit for a reason right is to try and provide basic services to the majority of the populace right and and we all pay for it with our taxes It's that's it's

with our taxes. It's socialized services that we all rely and depend on. Let's say you take a large warehouse, like a giant Amazon warehouse. They have their own private security there. They may have on-site fire departments, sprinkler systems. It's all paid for by the company to protect the lives of the individuals in there. They may even have, they probably do have their own training programs which could be seen as education, right? Yeah. I mean it's not directly the same thing, but those distinctions aren't big enough for like is there something that government is doing that companies don't to where you couldn't bring in somebody that can run a company very well and a very large company and make it more efficient?

Because even companies do a lot of charitable work and obviously it's often for tax write offs and the rest of it but you know the governments do that too in a different way they do it because it looks good and it makes us look decent in the world and to say that there's no care on either end I mean even even companies will donate for things that they believe in it's not just for the tax write-offs. Yeah, sure. Yeah, I mean, I think that there's probably elements of government that you can run as a business to make it more efficient. Sure. I think that that's probably good.

I think since I've worked in the federal service that you do see, agencies starting to bring in more business practices and business process and their budgets and how they execute budgets. And so I think there's elements that you could should bring into it, but I don't like, um, like I wouldn't want Apple to be running, um, our healthcare system or, you know, I don't, I don't, I don't want the company's objectives that are for profit that are just trying to get more money to shareholders To be setting the agenda for services that are needed for most americans. Yeah, that's where we get slippery. I mean

Imagine if governments had shareholders and maybe in a way they do and maybe that's part of the problem Yeah, yeah, well, we kind of are we are the taxpayers should be the shareholders, but Anyway, yeah, yeah, it's I'm not Probably as informed about it as I could be to to really go into depth about it But there's something about it doesn't smash pass the smell test for me Yeah, and I I brought it up because I thought it was a good point, too I mean, I didn't have it well defined either, and I had a bit of push back to it,

but I was like, yeah, they're not the same thing. And where could this get us in trouble? And obviously this leads into kind of what they're up to and, and where they're looking. Um, what are you, what's your feel with the USAID stuff? Yeah, you know, I think that I'd like to dig into it a little bit more. I'm hoping you know, we're gonna do that with our Podcasts on the Doge report. It's it's kind of hard to gather

The research for it though, you know, it is. Yeah. I think, I think there's, there's probably ways to do what it has. It's been tough. I think, you know, there's probably some investigative journalists that are going to dig into it, but, um, you know, I think ultimately it comes down to, like the idea behind USAID is, uh, exerting government American influence around the world, right? Without it always being just a hard military action where we just move in, take over governor governments, right? And build, build countries. Right. Um, it's, it's the soft power idea and it's,

it's easier to, uh, to get what you want out of other countries when they like you. Right. That's the idea behind it. It sounds like, you know, the hype that I'm hearing out of the media when they like you. Right? That's the idea behind it. It sounds like, you know, the hype that I'm hearing out of the media and from Musk is that there's some real wacky shit that they've been doing. And, you know, I think it's good to put some light on it. Yeah.

You know, like everybody else's side. Put all the light on it. Shine every bit of light. Like, find out what's there. And if it really is the situation that us aid or a lot of the programs really are beneficial There's got to be groups out there that can justify it and make it make sense You know, yeah as long as people are being unreasonable about reasonable about it right now. It feels like You know, they're just he's musket just running the chainsaw, right? feels like, you know, they're just, he's Muska just running the chainsaw. Right.

And I think I said it on our other podcast that they're in the break it now and maybe fix it later, uh, kind of mode. Um, the issue of it is, is like, whenever you're breaking things, you know, you're breaking, uh, let's just say, let's say it's all altruistic, it's all for good things, right? Then, you know, people's lives are at stake people's livelihoods people's survival are at stake And it's not something to take lately, right? And then on the other end of that coin it's like there kind of is this ticking time bomb of national debt that eventually gets to a point that no one's even quite sure of

where we just all completely run out of money. And yeah, and that's, that's a tricky one too. Why haven't we been doing anything about it? You know, like we definitely should have been. But yeah, I mean, Trump added a ton to the deficit. Um, and typically I think if you look at it, Republicans tend to, but, um, yeah, I don't know what the long-term, yeah.

So it's kind of interesting that it's been tackled in this way with a Republican in, it seems like that, that would have been like, he's not really a Republican. That's probably part of it. Probably true. Yeah. Yeah. And neither is Musk. You know, these guys, yeah, I don't think so. I mean, I wouldn't say Tulsi or RFKR either. No,

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Definitely. I think it's interesting. Yeah What did you think about Elon saying there may be like a trillion dollar scam being undertaken like the biggest fraud Undertaking the history. I think it's gonna be tough to put all the pieces together for that, but But mine so he's saying that was about NGOs, right? Yeah, he's saying that people are just just starting up NGOs They're they're they're fresh and just have their accounts set up and then they're getting billion dollar grants. You know, I don't know anything about that world really.

I guess I know a little bit about kind of the non-profit world and I could see how something like that might be might be true, but also it just seems like somebody should have been watching and maybe, maybe nobody has, I don't know because, and you know what? I want to see those receipts. If he's saying trillions of dollars, you're just going to these like enrichment schemes for NGOs, which money where your mouth is. Let's see it. And roll them up, man. And you know, at what point can, I mean, because this is so heated, right? There are people

that are going to be on his side, people adamantly against it. At what point can you say that something is proven? That's where it gets slippery. Right? So let's say we pull up an NGO. They've taken 10 billion over these years. This is how the grants were picked up. Legal forms exist. They're very long. They're all covered by lawyers. Like every, all the I's dotted, the T's are crossed. Like it makes sense for where the money should be going.

Well, now we have to cross reference payments from this thing to places. And who knows how far the rabbit hole goes. I mean, when I first heard this, I thought to myself, okay, so if there was a system like this that you knew wasn't really being looked at, but you're still gonna cover your bases because this is entirely the thing, the task that you've been given.

So you would have all the documentation together, everything to apply for this thing, this grant, you'd have a name that fit, you know, like the something activist aid, put all those words in, Patriot, like all the stuff that really sells you. Yeah. Um, and then, you know, you could just set up one account after another, make payments to it, make it look like you were just paying into this other aid organization that then it, it's just that it could get very, very difficult to prove that.

Sounds like you've been planning this out. Well, that's that was just me listening to this podcast. So if you put very smart people that know how to funnel money into something and also know the process for investigation, they're like, oh, this will be impossible to prove. It will look like we did all of these things. And maybe they did. Maybe they follow following all the rules. Like you said, did all the paperwork is, is anybody breaking the law?

But it's not, I don't think this is a question of what the law is. I don't think that the law, it's ethics may have been being broken. It's just like, that's not what taxpayers' money is for. Yeah. It was never supposed to go that way. And if there are these systems in place that are allowing this to just be wasted and fraudulently taken, we need to get a hold of it. Yeah, if that hypothetical is true or his claims are true, yeah, we gotta get control of it, I agree. Right.

Musk's social security stuff, right? So he's looking into that, there's reports that they're very old people that are still shown as being alive mainly because they're using this super old crappy system. This computer system that just I guess what is it doing? It just doesn't realize people are dead. Or you can't even input. You're talking about that like 1950s programming language that they're using?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't know if it was identified, but like before all this went down, right? In 2023, there was a GAO, right? So Inspector Generals are going around and doing audits of these systems, right? So in 23, there was an audit of the social security system and they did find that there were issues

with deceased individuals still being in the system. I don't remember, I mean, I haven't pulled it up and looked at it in depth, but that's not that outrageous a claim because there is already some audits that were taking place before this administration took over. So yeah, there's probably just not an easy way to, to, uh, try to do quality control

on it. Maybe I don't know, but hopefully they can get in there and use some of those young programmers and come up with a better system to do it. But's you know it's a massive database. Right and you know from what I'm hearing it doesn't seem like a lot of payments were made to the people that were seen as 150 plus years old but Elon suggested that there could be an underlying issue where they could be qualifying for other benefits that somebody could be pulling on. And again, it's like that multi-layer deception. That is a good move for fraud. It's like, why make it direct?

Just have this person be seen as alive. Don't create a red flag by taking social security payments when you're 140. But as long as you're registered somewhere, maybe disability checks come in or just some other type of money benefit. Get in there and clean that shit up, man. Sneaky, right? I mean, yeah. Are people doing on purpose? You know, if they are, that's fraud or is it really just.

Clumsy. Just, just this yeah. Clumsy database management. Maybe I don't really know. Right. That's definitely something that seems like is probably easy to, to, to, to, to highlight, to show the show the receipts on. So hopefully they do.

And it kind of makes sense that we should modernize these systems. I mean, there is something to be said. I mean, I know they've been in the nuclear silos and stuff. They still all use like floppy disk to set up some of these things. And that sounds insane, but at the same time, good luck trying to hack into a computer that is never going to be on the internet.

Because it can handle it. Yeah. Yeah. It's just like super old. So maybe, maybe there is a value to it being kind of a little disconnected, but if it's so old that it can't differentiate people's age and I mean, that's tricky. That's tricky. We've got to cover the Elon Nazi salute.

You want to? Well, he did. They did. I mean, you know, I mean, people have feelings about it. I thought that it was not the best thing to do when I saw it. I was like, Elon, shit. Come on, man. That's going to be a conversation I'm going to have for such a smart guy.

He does some stupid things sometimes. He's certainly pretty goofy. No, yeah. You know, he tried to, uh, to just blow it off, I think in this podcast with Joe, but, you know, I've seen images comparing like other people at CPAC that did the exact same thing. I was like, well, it was clearly planned, but why is it really just to like, uh, create a headline and they're okay with like the things that people

infer about it? There's so many ways to create a headline when you have a stage that I just that one just doesn't it doesn't make sense to me. Three or four people at CPAC did it like almost identically. And here's the thing it's like okay Is there like a very powerful group out there that are pro-nazi that have a ton of money? And this is some sort of very secretive Signaling process because it doesn't seem like there is I Mean of all the nefarious players. I'm like, it's not like there's just one spot

where Nazis are still pretty powerful. You know, I bet you like, you know, all the, it was all the real like high profile and useful Nazis that got rolled up at the end of World War II and in the Nuremberg trials and all the really smart ones all the ones that were like managing all the business and money they all snuck away all right so they probably never really went away they just went undercover so they're probably still around yeah but well they're dead now that's a conspiracy theory

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Oh really? That's wild. Crazy right? Yeah, so Elon really is just like the apparent, heir apparent of this Nazi regime, huh? Well it's... They're gonna set up like a Nazi utopia on Mars. Oh god. Now that's a conspiracy theory yeah yeah well either way I'm not going I'm not going to Mars I'm not going up there one because it's Mars and it would suck and be really difficult to live in two now I think there might be

Nazis so just another check not gonna do it. It's not worth the risk No, we got it. We got it easy here. Mm-hmm Yeah, so Yeah, not a good salute, dude Yeah, they definitely laid it down, but I don't know what else you do other than either tell the truth or I don't know He didn't have any other options besides playing it down. I think yeah or just say I screwed up I shouldn't have done it. I guess that have been... That's kind of a good move actually it's just it seems to be in the politician playbook that you don't do that though. For whatever reason no one ever takes any responsibility for being

wrong. If they do it's...'s their Democrats. It's definitely not a Republican thing. Right. Keep moving. Yeah. I've never seen Gavin Newsom do it, though. No, I don't know. But like, you know, Al Franken, right? He fell on that grenade. Oh, I screwed up. That's true. They got they should have got rid of our Democrats, hold themselves to to their

ethics. Oh, yeah. Really? Nancy Pelosi Pelosi don't stop apparently she misses insider trading yeah technically that's not illegal legal legal yeah unfortunate they got to fix that dude that that one seems bad for sure but yeah you might be right there might be some more accountability in the in that direction I just don't get it. I think that, I think more people could do it and it would give, it would give even strong, perceived strong individuals like it would make them look better. I don't assign it to weakness. Maybe a lot

of people do. Maybe they'd know something I don't. And statistically, if you are that vulnerable, you're destroyed. But I don't think so. I see it as a sign of strength, personally. Maybe it's just on the individual level, but if a person says, you know what? Shit, I was wrong. I know better now. To me, that's like that's hard to do yeah unless unless because you're the only one doing it and all

the rest of the politicians are not every time that you take a stand on something they'd be like remember when he was wrong that time before and that's the whole story that's true okay yeah it could be some of that stuff. I don't know. I don't know. They talked a little bit about Biden and that whole sharp as a tack reference that was kind of like all over the news. And I think this, what they were mentioning is like, it seems like often the news gets

given these talking points because they say the same thing and they have you ever seen those videos where they line up? Yeah, a hundred screens. It's all like from the What was the Murdoch family media? Murdoch, right? Rupert Murdoch. Is it all are they always connected? I mean they're obviously connected because it's the same Thing that they're saying but like is it easily traceable back to one network? Or one family so that example you're talking about where they're lining up all the panels of all the different like local News anchors and stuff from a country during like a're in like a two week period. It's like 50 or 60 of them. They are all saying the same thing verbatim, right?

Right, yep. Like they got a script, clearly. Yeah, that's all tied to like a family of media. And I think it's tied to Murdoch somehow. But there was one recently that was like Congress people. Elizabeth Warren was one of the people. Yeah, and you know, maybe it's saying the exact same speech is like these three other very well known people. I have to I have

to send you the clip but it's like they're reading a thing. I bet so. Yeah, I believe it. I think that there's probably within the the political parties, you know that Kate, everybody this is our line. This is the company line. Go out there and say it. We want we want to see you on Fox saying it. We want to see you on CNN saying it because we just want to get this line heard as many times as possible. Right. Sure. They do that. Yeah, that sounds bad. I don't like any party or any group that does that I'm against it

Yeah, it's just I think it's their strategy. Hmm Yeah, well they bring it back to like what they were saying about Biden over and over it was like a news Thing like all the different channels were like sharp as a tack. Well number one Yeah, that is not a very common phrase generally. Yeah, Like we've heard of it, we know what it is. For a couple of media outlets to say it, that's descriptive, right? But using the same thing and like having that be the piece when, look, now we all know he clearly wasn't, they were all lying. Dude, he was sharp as a tack, he still is.

Dude, nobody, nobody was thinking that was true. Nobody was ever thinking that was true. They just said it, hoping it was gonna be true. He might have been in like the 90s, I think probably. I mean still lying about... Yeah, it's a point in his life he was sharper than he was last year, 100%. Still lying about like being top of his class and having four degrees, but That's general politician stuff if you've been in for your whole

Whatever 30 40 years kind of stretch I mean, you know if you were around before google you were You were saying some things because you just assumed they were never going to be able to check it Or you didn't care if they did yeah now people can QC that I guess a little bit. Yeah, politicians are bad at it. I think they're just circling it back to the idea that if there are, you know, groups out there that are making these talking points and then we're looking at three or four new sources thinking that they're separate pieces of information.

It's really not true. And also the real question is like, who is creating this narrative and is it helpful and if anything is created that way, should you believe any of it? It's a little tricky. Yeah, no, it is. I think believing anything that you see from talking heads on any of them, like most of the news agencies, I think you got to fact check yourself, right? Yeah, and I've heard this, we've had this conversation before, we is like people, right?

Whenever that video came out on YouTube of all those media outlets, forbade them saying the same thing. It's hard, it's getting hard to validate information these days. There's so much misinformation out there. Sure. It's getting hard to validate information these days. There's so much misinformation out there. Sure. It's tricky.

What's your take on the controversies over Elon's team and the type of access that they have? Now, this really plays into a lot of what we're talking about in the first couple of weeks on the Doze Report. But yeah, just for the JRE review version, what were your initial thoughts? You know, were you concerned about access, those sorts of things? Yeah, I think I'm... Anywhere we can minimize how much of you know, the like our personal data getting out there anywhere

We can minimize that can I think is a good thing, right? So yeah, it happens data breaches are left and right and I Think it's a bad thing and I think what's interesting is wait. Wait, you think it's a bad thing for a team that's designed to investigate things to have access or data breaches? Well, yeah. So what I'm thinking is that they, I don't know what their motives are with the data. Like if they have access to it and they don't use it for ulterior motives or, you know, what I don't really want is like them to be plugging all of our data into like an AI and using it to train

an AI. I think, you know, right now they're using, you know, public accessible data. I think there's something wrong with using all of our personal data, like your health records or social security payments for maybe potentially gain for a private company. Like that's that I don't want to happen, right? Right. I don't know if that's happening, but that would be my concern with them having access. I don't know what they're doing with it. Yeah. And you know, if they tell us and somebody we have some sort of watchdog that says, you know what, they're just using it to improve efficiency

and for official purposes. A big push that was reported was that they have access to employees of the government, their personal information, and it's not like where they go shopping, it's like their address, the date date of birth and then their social security number What? Was interesting when I heard that is I used to run a cell phone

store and It was an interesting one. It's on the military base and the ones on the military bases and the BX They had access we did which is kind of unique to all of the major carriers. We had AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, I think Boost. So we would have, we had to learn each of their systems. So it was more complicated than just one carrier. And we often hired from, like you needed previous services, one of the carriers before you get on there. Otherwise the systems, it would just take too long to train you.

But what was wild about it is when you think of having all those carriers, we literally had everybody on there somewhere. Like I could look you up without knowing which carry you have, because I only have to check with like four or five. What kind of information do you have? You had maybe a social security number and then like a bank account number or what was it? Maybe it would have the like the last four of your bank account.

It would have your social on there, which I always thought was wild, but it was just in there in the system. It would have your address, it has your date of birth, it has your code or pin number for like how you access the account, because we would use that code to check you in, which could tell you, it just felt like that's telling you a lot. And I did nothing with it. Nobody was. There's regulatory. So Congress has decided, we've decided that what you do with that data is what matters, right? So we have regulatory bodies, I don't know, some consumer protection board or something like that.

I don't know who it is, but that monitors and we have laws that say you shall not use that data for anything other than business information. For sure. I would have gotten a ton of trouble if I ever did that. Yeah. But you had access. But I'm just saying it was right there. It depends on how they use it is all what it comes down to. What is their intent? Yeah. Yeah, I'm just saying I'm not some MIT super genius that's been tasked with trying to find fraud. I was a guy that sold cell phones and I had all of that data.

So I'm just saying we could slow down a little bit on, oh my goodness, this will ruin everyone's lives type of energy. But also maybe that's maybe that's just how I sit maybe Maybe it is massively Dangerous for it to be that way. I just don't know yeah, I'm not a I'm not a specialist on it either. I don't know for sure. It just I Think it should be protected and it be used appropriately. Fair enough. And if they do that, I'm okay with it.

What about this kind of, and this has to be considered a conspiracy theory, but Elon's idea that the Democrats were basically importing immigrants to fast track them into having the capability to vote as some sort of ploy just to win all the elections. Sounds wild. It is. It is. There's no... I mean, he says it because it is sensational, right? Would it be a's no there's no thing to prove illegal illegal or an illegal Somebody who's here illegally and is not a citizen to vote in any national Election right, but if they get in fast-tracked through

Their immigration status do Dude, what's Google? What is the average time for us to get citizenship? If you come here illegally, right? You come here legally, it's, I mean, you don't know. You've been through the process. I don't know how long it'd take you to get your citizenship. A long time. It was difficult.

It takes a long time. Nobody fast tracked me though. What is that word? And how could we see if that's actually happening? I don't even know how you do it. Yeah. We just speed it up, I guess. But like our states, states can't fast track it.

Right. So you'd have to have some sort of like special list of people who are getting fast tracked into citizenship if they wanted to, for them to matter in any type of election, right. And I think it's illegal in all states for any like statewide election for I think there are some states that have local election where people can vote if you're not a citizen for local like school board elections, those kinds of things. Right. But I don't think there's any like broad but I could be wrong. What about all this not requiring voter ID like ID for voting stuff?

Well, how is that even a thing? Because it just seems to me like that Should absolutely be a thing like why would you not have ID you can't? Events that we put on locally for the magazine we make Unless you have your ID put on locally for the magazine we make, unless you have your ID to show that you're over 21 and a ticket to get in. And then all you do is watch snowboard videos for two hours. Right.

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felt like on their front lines. This is Combat Story. They were pinned down from a disheka and the disheka was coming from a third story of a seven story apartment building and then we blew that third story out within like maybe a minute and a half or two minutes of getting that nine line. Not everybody has access to an ID. I mean you're required to in your states. I think most states, if not all states, have a requirement to have some sort of ID. I don't really know what the arguments are against it. To me it passes the sniff test. I mean you just go to the DMV right and then get one.

They're like 40 bucks. What do you what do you have to have to get a license at the DMV? What are your documents that you have to have? You have to have like a. Well, I just got my license the other day. I needed two forms of. My address, so I had my lease and I had something from the bank gas bill. And I had to go to the bank cause I just moved. So I was like, can you just, I just changed it, but can you print the thing? So it didn't even look that good.

That wasn't even difficult at all. I basically could have just printed that myself. That's how clunky it looked. They took it. Um, next to that, I had my old license, but if you didn't have that I guess they could look you up with a passport or your social You know, you'd have to have your card It just wasn't it wasn't a lot of stuff and you should probably have those things So all those things to me like if you're a citizen, you should have them, right? So yeah, I don't know what the what this arguments are against it yeah like I guess I would want to know more on the face of is like

sure carry ID like this is me I'm voting right sorry I just wonder how they figure out who the heck just voted if you don't have it it just because you wrote a name on the thing and they cross referencing all the names to make sure they're also citizens? They're cross reference, they're they're referencing signatures right? You sign it and they compare that to your signature on your voter registration. Okay. I think is I think that's the only verification other than like you gotta know your address

That's how they do it where I live. I don't know. Oh gotcha. That is every state. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, I don't know I don't vote I approach it I Just need some candidates. I like dude. I just need some kid. Yeah, of course you are cuz you're word who all vote for Well, at least I'm not voting for clowns bro All right, you voted for a dude with Alzheimer's Well at least dementia Probably that was the thing you did you did you not you didn't vote in the selection. No Did you not, you didn't vote in this election?

No. Wow. No. Whoever did and voted for the current president voted the oldest man into, into the white house. Good job. That is true. Yeah. They are getting older and older.

We could, we could definitely get some young ones in there. That generation just needs to hang it up. I would like to see limited terms for Congress and Senate. I don't think that there's necessarily a huge advantage to quote unquote experience. When it comes to that, I think they just get potentially more crooked as time goes on. And yeah, but I guess going back to running the government, like a company, then it would make sense to have people with experience just stay in.

But at some type of checks and balances on term limits would be useful. Yeah. You know, maybe shuffle them around, do something. Uh, and then also age limit stuff. Yep. I mean, aren't you in like forced retirement at like 65 or 70 for most jobs? Right. Yeah. Now we got to do something there. There's got to be like cognitive

tests and make sure that you're capable of making solid decisions and I'm good with some terminal term limits to some extent, I do think there's value in having people that know that make relate form relationships with other lawmakers, you know, and able to like, you know what, you help me out on this, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll give you a little bit here, you know, I think there's some value there. Right. I'll give you a little bit here. You know, I think there's some value there, right Yeah, and there might be there might be one thing I wanted to finish up on we're kind of yeah I kind of wrapping up there were a few other points like

making getting his rockets to space cheaper and How useful that will be? I mean obviously for the US government Wanting to get things into space, it's a good idea. We could eventually get some rare earth minerals from space, who knows what they could do, right? There's some good stuff going on there.

Concerns about AI, we've kind of gone over those stories a few times, but towards the end, he was, Elon was talking about how he feels his life might be in danger. Yeah. And that one, that one was kind of a change of tone for a second. And I don't know if Joe really knew how to take that. Obviously, Joe has his own security, probably encouraged by Elon and other big players that he knows. So he understands the value in it. But really seeing it is like, people might be so worried about him uncovering something that the best move for them might be assassination. Now, I'm sure he has an army. He's the wealthiest man in the world.

I'm sure he he's protected probably like the president is, or maybe better. Yeah. Well, I'm sure better after the better, the the the complete debacle of the Trump assassination, where they couldn't even get on the slopey roof All right, I wouldn't want that team working for me. Would you? But yeah, what's your take on that? Do you think that he could be like Close to assassination and if that is the question why would he be doing any

of this he clearly doesn't need more money true yeah because he wants the because he I think the answer to that question is because he wants our democracy to succeed right I do think he believes that to be true right yeah yeah and I think he should be careful like Like, and he, you could tell that throughout the episode and now that he's kind of, now that he's got like some sort of role with the government, um, he's going to be a little bit more careful than he has been in the past on what he says, you know, like he's, if you're going after a corruption, I'm sure there's, you know, there's movies about it. I don't, I can't think of any like real world cases, but if I'm sure there's, you know, there's movies about it.

I don't, I can't think of any like real world cases, but if you start. Cutting into people's power and taking away their power or their money, they're going to come after you. You know, like they, you know, they talked about the Epstein files, like, why the hell aren't the Epstein files out? You know, that was another thing. Oh yeah. Let's freaking powerful people are on that list let's

end on that one. That's why it's not coming out. Yeah and that's very obvious right whether and even though Trump said like oh yeah I'm gonna release him day one he kind of says like oh well maybe I will it's because he's on that list and they don't want to say it Joe and Elon right but because they got to be careful Well, he's on the flight logs for sure. That's been proven There's not much of a connection with him and Epstein after Epstein's first charge So that that's like back in 2004. I don't know if he had that island then too I mean the list is one thing but really the list I'm looking for, and I think everyone is, is like, who went to the island? Right? It's like flying

around with somebody in those circles. It's like, I'm sure there's a lot of flying around that goes on. Now, it doesn't look good that Clinton definitely flew with him 26 times. That sounds like maybe too many times to be flying with anyone I haven't flown with my wife that many times and I know right almost everything she's doing like to claim that you're not tied to it in any way and you're like like if you hop into a car with a drug dealer and you know you start by pull up pop in their car and then get out like it's a reasonable Suspicion that you're probably buying drugs

Yeah, I mean if you also get caught going into their car 26 times Then it's it's not gonna come out and if it does know how can we trust it? right, I Don't see how you could it's true It's gonna be it's gonna be redacted see how you could. It's true. It's gonna be redacted to be black lines and it's gonna like they're gonna. Other names are gonna be blacked out for some people. It's just gonna be another lame uncovering.

Yeah. And I mean, you know, it feels like that's what's happening with the JFK files. If anything, I think that they gave the good ones to RFK that's part of his deal he gets it but then they're like also look on page 4 that's why we can't talk about this are you cool with this now that we've given it to you what else do you need is 200 million we should know man don't hold that back. Whoever, excuse me, is breaking the law and doing things they shouldn't be doing, whether they're on the left or the right,

let's hang them up man. Let's give them their day in court. Do you think that if it was just like an overall plot by the CIA, that there would be a big push to just disband the whole agency if even this many late years later no if they killed JFK straight up oh and that's what the files I mean it wouldn't that's not a good look dude I don't know if you recover from that yeah yeah I don't either and maybe recover from that. Yeah, yeah, I don't either. And maybe they're like, we can't afford to get rid of them now. You shot them from the president? Yeah, back then the FBI, they were rogue, man.

They were doing some crazy shit that we know about now. Yeah, they're up to all kinds. If your purpose is to ensure that our government continues on. That's gonna be a tough thing to swallow for everybody. Yeah, look, there's a lot to uncover. There's a lot to work through. It was great having Elon on.

I like that he has this platform and he can come in and just kind of throw his pieces down. Again, what we do on the Doge report is we look at the Doge Gov site. We look at what the government releases. We're trying to reference that with like pretty much centrist news sites as best we can and, you know, see if things line up or what doesn't and ultimately time will tell. Right? What's nice about this is there's some quantifiable pieces they're talking about got to take out a trillion dollars so that should bring inflation flat for

a period of time. All of that stuff we can monitor monitor you can't put a lot of spin on that You could I guess you could make excuses for it, but they either do that or they don't And we get to see where the national debt is and it's like are we able to stop that number? Going up because it's all well and good making these claims that we're cutting all these programs and potentially saving all this waste and money. All right, prove it on that massive number that keeps getting bigger that we're all potentially pretty terrified of. Right.

I mean, that's going to be what shows us. And I think also in time, you know, we're going to see if the team is effective, if they can can actually get anything done if everything just keeps getting locked up or they make massive blunders and They lose public support It's gonna be difficult for them to Any final thoughts No, I thought you know the the Musk conversation with Joe I thought it was it was interesting they covered a lot of ground and it's definitely worth listening to and get out there and listen to our new podcast the Doge Report

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