Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 433 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Chris Hughes

Episode Date: March 18, 2025

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Back again. I said you'd be back. I'm back. Here I am. Here we are. I didn't die. No. Today we are reviewing Chris Hughes. This man scared me a little bit. Really? Yeah. What was your initial feelings? Well he's very smart but what I'm realizing when I'm, because he's talking about like mind control and persuading people and all of this stuff and he's talking about like you know you take an author to spit it out off there I can't even think of the word authoritarian that's the one authoritarian figure and how easy it is to persuade someone who's, you know, very open and suggestible.

And I'm thinking to myself, I'm like, fuck, is he doing this to me right now? Like as I'm listening to this? Yeah, that's a good point. It's like if everybody listening is that, and you capture that type of audience with your podcast, then everything you could be saying is bullshit. You just got to say it in the right way people are all about it yeah well it's always it made me think too like you know you I'm sure most people have met someone wherever it is at some sort of social gathering someone you

didn't know at all and then you start talking with them even for just a brief brief period of time and you're like wow this guy's great and you can't really pinpoint what it is about them. Like they, you don't know them obviously. So you don't know like the quality of the person that they are, but just the way that they say things and their demeanor and the way that they conversate with you. You're just like, wow, there's something about this person that I really like. And I trust them.

And you know, it's so crazy how easily someone can get in there. And then you're like, all of a sudden doing Coke in an alley with them. You know, it's like, it's crazy how quick that happens. easily someone can get in there and then you're like all of a sudden doing coke in an alley with them. It's crazy how quick that happens. That was, it seemed like a very personal experience there. It happens about three times a month. Okay. Yeah.

Different alley each time though. That's why I fall for it. I'm like, shit, well we're not going to Home Depot this time so it must be different. Well I think more people are susceptible to this than want to admit. I mean, he brought up that experiment where people will shock others or think that they are shocking them, and then they get to these like higher and higher electrical charge amounts, and then it's like a fatal one, and they keep keep going but they weren't actually killing the people. Okay. Thank God They're just like screaming on the other end of a thing and then they go quiet

Yeah, and they only had like what was it an hour beforehand to like talk them talk to them and basically convince them of this Uh-huh. I wonder what they said to those people like you must have to really build I wonder what they said to those people. Like, you must have to really build animosity between the person that's doing it and the person that you're doing it to, you know? I don't think that they are required to hate them. I think they're just required to understand that they are in charge and they are required to administer these shots and they will be told when to administer them based on the responses.

So someone in a lab coat that has authority over you or the individual in the experiment will tell you, okay, now shock them after that. And they just, it was a hundred percent. Wow. Everyone did it. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's a hundred percent. Wow. Everyone did it. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, that's it's wild. I mean, since it's so common that everyone will do it, what does it mean to the individual that is like, no, I won't like if they, the type of

humans that are, I don't know, self-destructive or constantly bickering with everyone, they're just like the loners with no friends. Like, like that's kind of the person that it takes. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know either. Yeah, I wish that they. I'd love to look into it, because it'd be interesting to see, like, what types of people went like far with it, you know,

like what types of people were a little bit more timid? When did they come around? How did they come around? You know, like on an individual basis looking at it. Cause I mean, if it's such crazy odds, like, you know, most people are doing this, it's like, it'd be interesting to see why they're doing it and who are they and what about them made them decide that. I think it was just kind of like across the board. All types of people were willing to just sit there with authority, telling them to administer this and they were willing to just let it happen. Even if they were unsure or uncomfortable about it. Like that's, that's kind of, it's shocking. Yeah.

It's not what you would think the outcome would be, but it's, you know, that's what happens. And really, when you hear those numbers, you have to assume you'd be the same. And it's like, yeah, I wonder what kind of situation I'd need to be in to just be like, okay, zap. Yeah. Zap away. I'd need to be in to just be like, okay, zap. Yeah. Zap away.

Had you ever heard of Methylene Blue that he kept talking about? No. It was like the subtext of the whole conversation. Chris was like, it was almost like he was selling Methylene Blue. Yeah. He was making some bold claims. He was making a lot of bold claims in there.

Yeah. It was funny like what I was saying earlier about how he like I wonder if some of the stuff he was saying was working on me like I noticed that especially because he said at some point the podcast he was like yeah I'm probably the most qualified person on mind control in the US he's like I'm definitely the most qualified person on mind control and maybe that's true or not but's very, the way he said it was very like confident and all of this stuff.

I don't know what the fuck Methylene Blue is. Well, back to that. That was a very cocky thing to say. Like if you met all the people that know everything about the mind control, he hadn't even read that book about the Manson stuff. Oh yeah. Yeah.

And like, all right. Well, if you were the top guy, you would have, you'd know all the stuff. Yeah. Especially because that book put a big wave in things, you know? For people in that sphere, that was, I remember when Joe had, whoever it was,

I think he had the author on back in the day. And I remember watching that episode and I was like, holy shit. Well it was one of his best friends, so Fitzgerald that often goes on, Rogan, he's one of the comedians that Rogan started with like way back in Boston, moved to Venice eventually and it was one of his neighbors. Oh really? That's how he got introduced to it. It wasn't just like this book was that massive, It's like one of Joe's closest and oldest comedy buddies knew that this guy had worked on this book for like 20 years. And it was, you know, it's up Joe's

alley. So they connected him. I mean, that look some interesting coincidences there, but how fortunate for the writer, because I'm sure he sold a shitload of copies now. Yeah and I mean it's good that people know about this it's good to know what the government has the capabilities to do and where they draw the line on morality stuff. But back to Methylene Blue it was like it was like an interesting part it's like okay this you get these seizures you take this thing and it works for you. Great. I'm happy.

Like, I'm glad you're not getting seizures. That sounds like it sucks. But then also, you know, you just kind of like touting this thing as like mitochondrial. Yeah. Energy booster and all this cognitive stuff potentially and just making a ton of claims and it just seemed disconnected from the whole rest of the conversation. Yeah. Almost like he was psy-opping us into being like we should probably get this. Let's get this. Don't let him talk to the liver king man if that guy starts using mind control

We're all fucked. Oh That guy's such a mess though. But yeah, I don't know I hate to say it but I feel like in Some ways not all the time, but well, I think it's just in general like everyone has a thing to sell You know, like everyone has a course that they're selling everyone has a supplement that they're selling You know, like if you're a gym influencer, that's just how you make money. And I feel like in general, Joe kind of gets people on the show that do that a lot. Whether it's intentional or not, they're just plugging their stuff, which I can't fault them at all. It's a massive platform to promote your products, but it feels like some people

lean into it a little bit more and it's like, you don't really... Well, I don't think he's selling it, which is even more interesting. I guess that gives you a little bit more credibility when you're not trying to flog the product but Yeah, difficult try what I mean. Yeah, if you're having seizures, you know talk to your doctor but um, yeah, it's always interesting too whenever people are like it's like not not a very well-known drug or you know, not something that many people have tested or tried and they're like, it works for me and it's like, that's great but you know, you can't just go around saying it's going to work for everybody. Not to say that this guy was, but there are people that do that a lot.

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Like everyone you talk to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah all your meathead friends. Yeah See you're a big deal though. Yeah, I mean I've heard CBD is really good for seizures I've heard that has been for like very young kids and people who have Parkinson's right? I remember recently I watched this video this guy who was His old guy he had Parkinson's like really bad pretty bad like he couldn't he couldn't sit still at all like he couldn't he probably couldn't hold like a glass of water and They they gave him weed I think it was THC because there was a joint like no one smokes joints of CBD unless you're a weird hipster

but they give him this joint and he smokes it and then I think 15 minutes go by and he's just chilling on the couch like very still and then he just gets up like a normal person like just gets up from the couch like how are you feeling he's like different but he's like pretty much back to normal it's insane like he's like we order a pizza he's like hey should we order a pizza? He's like, hey guys, I've been thinking about the moon landing. Yeah. He's like, you guys got any popcorn? But I've heard a lot of that.

I've heard a lot of like, especially in kids with CBD, like helping with seizures and stuff like that. Yeah. Well, the anti-seizure medication is like, I think it's quite damaging to their development. So it's either they take that and then don't get seizures, which might kill them, but then have all the problems from the medication. Or they have this like type of CBD, which really helps out.

And then also low sugar diets, which Chris did talk about like keto, carnivore, for whatever reason, those are supposed to be pretty good for particular brain issues, I think. I think in general, like somewhat of a low sugar diet is healthy for everyone. I mean, especially processed sugar in the US is terrible for you.

I'm the worst at it. I finished a whole pint of Ben and Jerry's last night, I will admit. Did you? Yeah. And so it's not good, but shaking my head, shaking my head podcast listeners. Yeah.

And I mean, kids nowadays are just hooked on all of that shit, but yeah, it's hard. I mean, just with any, uh, medication for kids, it's like, you know, they struggle with it, like I'll use myself as an example with ADHD, like when I was in school, it was like, all right, I'm very disruptive in class. When I pay attention, I'm a good student, but on classes that I didn't really care about, it was like I was just disruptive. And so it's hard, like do you let them continue to be disruptive and try and figure it out on their own or do you give them medication and then deal with the side effects of that? And so it's tough for both parents and children to navigate that, especially at a young age,

when, you know, especially when they're disrupting learning and it's, they can't fall into a healthy routine at school. Right. Yeah. I mean, it does seem like the quick fix to a very complicated issue. Yeah. And I do think, especially with ADHD, that a lot of people are over diagnosing and over prescribing medications to kids, which is in itself an issue. Mm-hmm. Chris talked about like how persuasion can hijack identity, making

people comply not just with, I think he put it, ideas, but also a part of who they are. Right. And he was like, think cult recruitment, law enforcement, interrogations, that type of thing. Like it just, it just kind of like, I guess in a sense, like just breaks you down and then aligns with maybe your sympathies and then just pulls you into whatever it is. Yeah Yeah, the cult stuff was a little freaky. I Mean it's not easy to get people to join Colts. No Should probably have like giveaways like hey you get this dishwasher Pretty good. I do need a dishwasher

Like hey get this dishwasher Pretty good. I do need a dishwasher It's just three months. I'll be gone. I'll come back with a new dishwasher. I'm doing this cult They give me a whole uniform. It's it give me meaning I get a torch. Uh-huh Yeah, it the cult one is interesting because I feel like that's right up the alley of mind control and getting into people's psyche and taking advantage of their problems in life and Because that's the most classic example of how you get someone to recruit in a cult is like they're very vulnerable going through hardships in Life and then you're like, hey

We did the same thing join our cult. We're, we're happy now. If you have people are just, they don't know what to do with themselves. And so it's very easy to fall into the temptation of these welcoming people who seem very nice. Right. Yeah. If you have no social group, no meaning, no direction, maybe not even any confidence and you'll, you can get desperate for like all of those things.

And you know, you only need three or four boxes to tick. And then all of a sudden you are ready to get, like you're just any direction. Where somebody is like, we really believe in you. Come with us. And it's not till your balls deep in there That they're like we're also having to sleep with your wife now. Yeah, and you're like shit. I can't leave now Have you ever seen the movie mid-samar? No great movie about cults

Florence pew is in that movie and she's the main character and I won't spoil the movie for anybody. It's a great movie You should go watch it, but the first like ten minutes of the movie are just insane and This woman who her parents died and her sister as well she Joins her boyfriend on this colds a bunch of people in the group are gonna do research on this thing but the the on this cult, a bunch of people in the group are gonna do research on this thing. But the, like, you know when you watch a horror movie, there's like immediate like red flags, or people just like illogically go forward with something and

you're like, what the fuck are you thinking, you know? But the first, as soon as they arrive at this cult, the people are very happy to meet them, extremely welcoming and all this stuff. Did they say, let's no they even worse they gave them all mushrooms they immediately hand them all mushrooms like hey we're gonna trip like as soon as they get out of the car and then they all take them because they all fall for it and I'm like dude if I go anywhere with people that I don't know and the people that I don't know immediately offering mushrooms red flag get out of there Not great. And then psychedelics come up further in the movie and stuff. That's a great way that they control people. But yeah, that, oh,

that movie still haunts me. My best friend made me watch that recently. That one in Hereditary. Have you ever seen that one? Another great cult movie, same director, kind of different Avenue that one's more about like how this family gets twisted and They they're the mom Her mom dies so the grandma dies She was like the leader of the cult and then the whole family just kind of gets Taken over by this cult. Yeah, it's it's they're great movies though, like it's very hard to make a horror movie that's not predictable and, you know, cringy. And they're both amazing movies. But both around cults. Have you ever watched any of the documentaries around family members being taken in by cults and how helpless they feel? Because they, it's like the cult's designed to like cut off your family.

Oh yeah. And then you can't reach these people and then you realize oh this is your son or daughter or sister or whatever and you can't do anything like the police won't go get them. They're adults they can choose. Oh yeah. Whatever they want. There's no... Oh that's so scary. Just imagine. Like, I have a young daughter and, you know, she's one now. So she has 17 years before she can do whatever she wants legally as an adult. She'll be 18 then. And it's like, in that time, if I don't create a system to where she doesn't think that somebody grabs her with a...

Like, right then at 18, they can just go take her. And she's like, I want to go with them. This is great. We surf all day and live in teepees or whatever they do. And it's, you just like, uh, no, no. Yeah. And there will be nothing. It's just the heartbreak of the people is what gets me in these shows. It's so difficult to watch. And when they, when they kind of like sometimes get a hold of the person That it left and they talk to them. I mean they sound fairly

Reasonable they've completely justified it to themselves. They get their own Kind of value out of it, even though they have shut out their whole family, which they you know cat Strategically demonize, you know, yeah No, that'd be freaky man And then like you try it if if you ever did like, you know They're gone for a month or a year or however long it is You have to imagine the longer they're gone the worse it gets try and talk to them again And they're just not the same person. Yeah, like they're just so enveloped it gets. Try and talk to them again and they're just not the same person. Yeah.

Like they're just so enveloped in it. There's no saving them. They've just become a completely different person. That's scary. So you either just argue with them about their choices forever or you just give them space to rant their crazy cult thoughts and you're just like happy to be in their life a little bit. I mean, it would be such a mess they're just very powerful very dangerous you know fringe groups but can probably grab almost anyone with the right timing and

direction oh yeah I mean even you, there's no ill intentions behind anything that like a lot of, you know, churches or religious people do a lot of time, you know, compared to a cult. But even them, you know, they're very, very welcoming. They want you to join the church. They're very eager to hear about you and your ideas. And if you're not very set on what you want to do and you have a plan that you want to follow and you're not looking to be persuaded, it's very easy to fall into that.

I'm not saying people shouldn't go to church or church is bad and the same as cults, but they use, I feel like they use a lot of similar ways to get people to join and stuff like that. There's tactics and people, I don't want to say gullible, but they're very suggestible. He talked about that experiment Chris was talking about where people would see different lengths, lines, and it was like, which is the shortest or longest or whatever.

And everyone else in the experiment was a plant. So they would all agree with the wrong answer. And almost everybody that was the actual participant went later and would just agree with the group. And it's like, we're inclined to agree with the law. I guess the larger the group, the more inclined we are to do it. But yeah, they we they don't speak out. They're just like, oh, yeah, it's C when they know they can clearly see that it's

not. Yeah. Yeah. That one's concerning. Yeah, I mean, even like it's it must be like evolutionary, though. There's so many examples of that, though, you know even like it's it must be like evolutionary though. There's so many examples of that though. You know, like, uh, people my age, it's like the same thing with like getting people to drink and drag them out to the bars is like, you might have one friend in your group that's like not an alcohol person and they don't like to do it. But then you get one night where everyone's going and they're like, yeah, I'll go and then they just turn into not themselves, you know, just,

they just follow the herd. Yeah, peer pressure. Yeah. But I think, too, especially, it's a lot easier to do in young people. And you talked about this a lot. I was thinking about even just the way social media has done a lot of this stuff, just like mind control

and psychological hacks to get you to be more addicted to social media and getting that same constant dopamine fix. It's not the same thing as like trying to you know convince someone to join a cult but a lot of the same a lot of the same methods are used you know like it's like people who understand psychology who have this goal of we want people to be either addicted to our phones or join our cult or whatever it is you know and then they end up using it using these psychological tips in the wrong ways. And then it's like, Oh, we've got a bunch of people addicted to this stuff or, you know,

anywhere you go, any sort of advertising is trying to do some level of that, trying to persuade you, trying to get you to do something. Act now, buy now, you know, join. Do you think it has something to do with like, in a sense, developing your own identity? Like all the people, even if they're not super happy with where their life is or who they are, they do have a sense of their own identity and younger people are working on that. Yeah, they're just trying to figure stuff out. And so I feel like you're more likely to try stuff.

You know, you're like here about some cool group overseas that's doing conservation or whatever. You know, you just read it without looking into it. And you're like, wow, this sounds great. You know, I should try this. I should do this. Yeah, I feel like it's a lot easier to convince people who are trying to figure out what they want to do or,

you know, they're just trying stuff out. It's a lot easier to get them. They're also more vulnerable to that kind of stuff. They just don't know. A younger person or older person, you have to assume, has had more people try to steal their arm and manipulate them in ways. And so they kind of can tell the signs of it. Whereas a young person is just like, you know, they don't, they haven't had that experience

yet. Yeah, they're looking for meaning and excitement. Yeah. So if you can meaning and excitement. Yeah. So if you can stimulate those two things, even with a wacky idea, there's a good chance that it's a better message than their parents are giving them right now, which is don't do this. Don't do that. Go get a job. Yeah. A bunch of hard stuff. And then someone else is like, just come live in the woods with us.

Yeah. It's cool. We got crystals. These ladies aren't wearing tops. Get in the water. You're like, OK, baptize. Yeah. Or I feel like as well, too, I bet it's a lot easier to convince young people because they don't have as much money.

You know, if you're like, hey, you want to go on this trip, we'll feed you. We'll do all of this stuff. You're like, sweet. I don't have to worry about anything. You know, whereas an older person is like, I can afford like, sweet, I don't have to worry about anything. Whereas an older person's like, I can afford to feed myself. I don't really need to join your- It's a good point.

Whatever, but if you're like, even like fucking test samples, you go to Costco, they could put literally anything there and you would try it because it's free. Yeah. Yeah. You're like, God, I really hate these berries, but I'll take them.

You're like, God, I really hate these berries, but I'll take them. Mm. Yeah, well, you know, talking about how easy it is to persuade people, what about people to watch the view and see that as like a source of news? They discuss the time that that one lady was talking about Rogan and was like, oh, he believes in dragons. Yeah. And I remember the clip and they and even someonean and was like, Oh, he believes in dragons. And I remember the clip and they, and even someone on there was like, are you sure? She's like, Oh yeah, we double checked. We checked. Yeah. And it's like, well, no, no, you didn't. And I'm wondering like how many people out there still now,

if you brought up Joe Rogan knew nothing about him and like, well, I've heard, I heard he believes in dragons. Like the view is enough of a new source. It has to be to some people. Or what was the one during COVID that he uses horse tranquilizers as medicine? Or what was the thing that they were trying to say about him? Oh, horse dewormer. Horse dewormer, yep. Yep.

Yeah. Well, I think it's like, I notice this all the time with people I know is even if people are so attached to their beliefs and their structure and the way that they see the world is so ingrained in their identity that when you challenge that in some way with new information, they'll actively try and fight it regardless of whether you're right and they're wrong or whatever it is. Like if you're challenging something that people believe and he kind of hints on this too along with that whole identity thing is like you have to tie it into who they are as a person because that

like clicks with people that gets people's attention that gets them hooked you know but that with the view you know she didn't fucking know that she didn't check that Joe Roganan believes in dinosaurs or dragons whatever she just she doesn't like Joe Rogan and she heard someone say something about he believed in dragons and she was like I'm gonna roll with this cuz I don't like Joe Rogan or she doesn't even really have an opinion about him she's like told that he's popular and people haven't been liking him that's the narrative we gotta go with.

And he believes in wacky stuff so just, you know, give him some shit. Also, of all the things you're gonna say about someone as an insult saying they believe in dragons is like, I don't know, that's kind of cool man. If you were like, yeah man I still believe in dragons, I'd be like, alright, we can still be friends. Dude, when he put it on his Instagram, it just showed Rogan. I love how it backfired on them. Dragon believer.

It was one of the best things I've ever seen. That would be such a flex. I would say that to everyone and be like, hey, I got news people thinking that I believe in dragons. I think that that might be the first thing I say to Rogan if I ever mean to be like, are you the guy that believes in dragons. I would, I think that that might be the first thing I say to Rogan. If I ever mean to be like, are you the guy that believes in dragons? Like, like my only new source is the view. I'm just that guy, 43 year old white guy. I love the view.

I've never watched the view. It's like good morning America, right? I've only seen clips. Like some morning news show. Yeah, it just seems like garbage. Bottom of the barrel of entertainment, yeah. All of those news shows are terrible. I loved- Daytime TV is bad, though. It's bad for your health, I think.

Yeah, it's so bad. I loved back in the day when, before they got onto it, all these comedians like Tom Segura would go on pretending to be rappers and just make a joke of the entire production. It was so funny. Theo Von used to do that. Oh my God.

Those were the days. And now all those people know like, hey, don't let these people do it. They're just gonna hijack your show. They'd still have them on, but all these guys do podcasts now. Yeah. So all these new comedians,

and there's still a group now, like the more up and comers, will still go and try and do morning TV if their social media isn't big enough but most people are just putting their energy into social media. For one, if you're a comedian you go to a town right you're opening up for the weekend somewhere. Your spots are late and you don't want to get up at like 530 to go to a news station and try and make your jokes and it's just all awkward, annoying nonsense.

And a lot of those people don't even know how to take a joke, you know? They just like, they don't understand comedy and they're so used to their suburban lives. They just can't. People that read good. One 9-11 joke and they're just like, oh my God, I'm going to lose my job. I mean, Bill Burr used to dismantle those. I love those clips.

So good. He just hammers them. It's so funny. What did you think about the RFK, Senator RFK assassination in the hotel, shot in the, what was it, the kitchen area. So this was shortly after JFK was shot, his brother was. And during the time when he was doing a presidential run, this guy,

what was it, Sirhan, Sirhan? Oh yeah. Who supposedly, you know, assassinated him. But when they interviewed him had no idea was like I thought I was at a shooting range or like You know even up for probation. They're like all you have to do is just say that you did this and You know, we reduce your sentence or do something. He's like, I don't remember this Like yeah, that's crazy during the time that the CIA was doing all sorts of stuff.

It was like mind control, this and that. Are we ever going to find out? I don't think so. I thought Trump was going to release the RFK stuff. Supposedly. I mean, JFK, yeah. RFK is like, obviously push for it. But you know, here's what I think. I think if anything, the deal was here you go, RFK, here's all the information.

It's what you thought it was anyway. Also, we can't really tell the public this and you understand why. Yeah. And that might be the deal. That you understand why. Yeah. And that might be the deal. That might be why we don't ever get it. Yeah who knows. I mean anyone with a brain can discern that it was probably the government, CIA. You know the CIA has admitted. Son of a bitch. I'm turning you in. They admitted that they did MLK. They admitted that they assassinated MLK. Wait, who did?

CIA. What? I thought the FBI had it out for him. Maybe it was. Well, the thing that I read, I read something recently that said it was the CIA. Because I was reading, I was at work and I just started looking on, or I think my friend texted me something, but they literally, you can go to their website and they say like, my bad. We understand that, or I don't think that they'd necessarily admit it, but they essentially say the motivation behind it, how they would have done it and all of this other stuff, they basically lay it all out, but they were like, yeah, the

movement towards the civil rights and all that stuff, like, he was such an important figure for all of that stuff and that they wanted to dismantle that and they couldn't have him be the voice of that. And so, but yeah, you can go on and read CIA documents. Yeah. That is is yeah. Well, I thought it was interesting too in the podcast I mean, I guess this is a better way of using mind control, but what they were talking about with Uh, you know using it in like fighters To get them to like develop an alter ego in there so that they don't feel pain and You know don't run out of steam and stuff like that. That's yeah, well tyson worked with the hypnotist Yeah, they discussed that. I mean,

he was just a killing machine when he was in that ring. Yeah. And it probably really fucked him up, honestly. Like he was really young when they started hammering this. So imagine trying to develop as an adult. And then you've just had this like narrative banged into you. Now you're like, I don't know, 21. You're one of the most famous people in the world. Everyone's terrified of you. You've got tons of money. I mean, tricky to navigate for sure. They even talked about Roy Jones. Roy Jones Jr. You familiar with him?

Amazing. Incredible. And he had the alter ego, RJ, and he pulled him out and just crush people. That's crazy. I wonder how that could be. Like, it's one thing to think, you know, how lucky you have to be to even be physically bad-ass enough to be one of the best boxers in the world. But then also you just happen to have this thing where you can create this like alter ego. It just seems to be like so many stars need to align to make these super

humans. Well for Mike Tyson, you know, I mean, you take someone who's 13 years old, he's already crazy at 13 years old, you know, and then you start doing this stuff. He's with the genetics and the work ethic that he has. He's already on track to be one of the greatest of all time. And then you start doing the mind control stuff and you just create this other monster. Right. Yeah, it is. It's like the perfect storm.

You know, by the time the guy's 20, he's already had like seven years of just nonstop boxing as an already good boxer, you know like smashing every yeah and so You know you add that with all the side mind control training that he's doing and just like yeah You create someone who's literally unstoppable well but you know it and let's end on a bit of a positive to this one because this episode was It was tough to hear

I mean Psy up stuff is hard to listen to and then thinking of all the nefarious shit that's probably going on with that. But, you know, ultimately, you know, he talked about visualization and how powerful the tool it is. And yeah, it can be bad. If you visualize your life sucking all the time, it's probably not going to be great because you're kind of writing that narrative, but the fact that positive visualization, which anyone can do with practice, start out slow, give it a few minutes, you know, just do your best. Even if you don't believe the narrative that you kind of written, you can just follow it, you can start getting some incredible wins, at least boost your confidence.

Yeah, one of my favorite things in the show, towards the end he had two quotes. He said, if the opinion that's coming out needs people to be silenced, it's a Psy-op. Which is kind of true. That was good. And then the other one was, if you can't see anything wrong with the side you agree with, and nothing right with the side you disagree with, you've been lied to. Which is a good goddamn quote. Yeah. It's very good.

Just in general. I mean, the other thing that came with the Psi-Op is if they try to shut you down publicly, like publicly shame you, like pretty much you'll know that it's a Psi-Op. Yeah. Like pretty much you'll know that it's a sigh up. Yeah. I mean, yeah. And then of course they went into COVID for 10, 15 minutes because that was the first thing I was thinking about. Yeah.

As soon as they said it was like, oh, that was exactly what that is. And you know, that's the narrative over and over again which we've talked about a million times. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, cause in COVID you had that herd mentality where it was like, people were like, they said in the podcast, there was examples of a left-wing political websites saying like, you know, people who are anti-vaxxers dying, it's like something we have to accept

or whatever it is, you know, they were like, they wanted them to die or found it like almost humorous because it was so obvious what they needed to do and you chose not to. It's almost like you're just jumping into an alligator pit. So what do you expect? This is Darwinism. That's the kind of talk that was coming up. And that's... That's the way you do it though. You don't have to... Why spend all the time convincing people yourselves when you can convince other people to let them do the convincing for you? Mm-hmm. Yeah. And on that note, let's call it... Well, one more thing. I bet this dude's gonna have so many fighters in his DMs being like, yo, can you train me? Can you create an alter ego?

He's probably going to make a killing off of that. I need an RJ. Let's go. Anyway. Yeah. It was interesting. It's, it's fascinating. It leads into a lot of the conversations that Rogan's been having recently, the Elon one, um, just everything with Doge and everything with like how politics works and how the media manipulates people. I mean, it's, it's the government also does the same. It's just so much of that. That's like tied into this. Got to look out people. There we go. Put your thinking cap on.

All right. Thanks, Sean. Appreciate it. And thank you guys. We will talk to you next week.