Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 435 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Chris Williamson

Episode Date: March 27, 2025

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One, go. Enjoy the show. What's up, Rogan reviewers? Welcome back. This episode is the review of Chris Williamson that was on March 20th. Of this year. It's about then. I did write it down, but I think that's right. That was on March 20th Of this year It's about then I did write it down, but I think that's right join today

With me is Sean. Hello again. Oh boy. That was really aggressive. That's not a good start It's not a good start. Come on get into it. Forgive me viewers Chris They're not viewing anything. They're just listening. They're just listening. Yeah, it's a more of an ear thing I'm all up in your brain right now. I think Can't afford video Yeah, Chris Williamson is Very interesting dude great podcast a great interviewer curious Individual reads a lot of books

solid sense of humor. And it's great to see him coming on Rogan as much as he does. Yeah. You know, when these top podcasters come together and it's like, Yeah, they have this little network where they influence each other and stuff. Whether it's like Alex and Rogan or, you know, even Theo now just coming on. It's like change the dynamic of, you know, they interview a lot of people each, then they get together and just kind of discuss like, hey, what are you learning? What's going on out there? Yeah, I think it's cool. Chris is one of my favorites in the podcasting verse to like him and lax.

I always, always enjoy if there's like a guest that they have on their show. I always listen to it because they ask such good questions. Like they get to the meat of the stuff and they ask good questions and they're like actually not to say that a lot of podcasts. Well, I will say a lot of podcasters are not smart and don't ask good questions. But I feel like they are always like actually adding something to the conversation, like regardless of what kind of expert it is or what field they're talking about, whether the person is like way smarter than them or, you know, just a normal dude. They always are asking really good questions.

They always seem like very interested in the conversation and it's always a good place to kind of let the mind kind of just roam and hear new ideas and new perspectives and stuff like that. I really enjoy Chris's podcast and it's cool too to see like, you know, before it was just kind of like them, they had their own little small shows and they would go on Rogan and promote them. And, but now everyone's promoting each other. Like they, like him, Lex, like Theo, you mentioned him, they're all of their podcasts are like well respected and very well listened to in their own sphere, you know? So it's cool to see everybody else just kind of,

you know, get in on a lot of the attention that's going to the podcasting world. Yeah, and a lot of the big guys, I mean, just like you would expect, with a lot of practice, you get better at it. I mean, Theo has become a really good interviewer, but it's still very much his style. He's still very silly, but he also can go deep.

He can go into all different areas. He's a very unique interviewer. Lex has improved a great deal. He's not quite as awkward as he used to be. And many of the intellectual ones, Bert Kreischer, about the same. It's just about the same. He was pretty good before

and still pretty good. So it's not a knock on Bert. But I'm still waiting for a really profound question from Bert. And Tom Segura is very good too. Yeah, well, I think everyone has just kind of grown into their grown into themselves a lot more. So like, they've just kind of honed down on what they're good at and gotten better at it So people just kind of know what they want to listen to, you know If you're like, I'm not much of a burke-reischer fans like You're not a burke-reischer fan. That's fine. Get it. That's why there's so many podcasts tune in for like a cool aid clip every now and then

Yeah, I mean, that's the great thing. You just don't have to listen to something you don't want to. I'll tell you where I liked this conversation with Chris going is like immediately they start out with conspiracy theories and even some good ones. Antarctica, flat earth. That's one thing in the podcasting space I'm glad they haven't lost because the podcasting space was labeled early on like a conspiracy theory, you know, kind of, dare I say, I don't know, sanctuary or just a place where they all are. And I felt like in time as podcasts were trying to like legitimize themselves as media,

people would step away from that. I don't think so. They've doubled down. That's great news. So let's go over some of the Antarctic conspiracies. Just beforehand, I hate how the word conspiracy theory has been weaponized nowadays. At the end of the day, we're just sharing ideas.

Well, you know where it came from, right? What's that? The CIA created the term to push back against people that questioned the JFK assassination. Oh, really? Yep. I'm not surprised. Yeah, guilty.

Yeah. No, but it's just so annoying. Even at work the other day, someone was talking about like, oh, what are you a conspiracy theorist? And I'm like, maybe, maybe a little bit, maybe a little bit. Yeah, what does that even mean? Do I occasionally question things that turn out to be true, even though I was told that I wasn't even allowed to think about it or question it? Yeah. And at what point do some of these conspiracy theories not become conspiracy theories?

Like when they're actually true and there's evidence to back them up, it's like, oh, that's not really a conspiracy theory anymore. That just actually happened. Yeah, no, then it's just called a fact. And the other people that were wrong about it just look a bit dumb. And if you do that a bunch of times, then you are allowed to label those other people dumb. I think so. Well, you just gotta, I don't know.

There's a scale to it, you know? Dude, it was a conspiracy theory for a long time that the Wuhan coronavirus came from the lab that studied coronavirus in Wuhan. It's the name of the lab that studied coronavirus. It's the name of the lab. Like, no, it came quarter of a mile away in that village where they have a market. And you were crazy to ask the question.

You could get banned from Twitter for saying, no, I think it came from here because I like to use logic. And they're like, how dare you? How dare you? What are you out of your mind? What are you a flat earther? What do you not believe the CDC? Yeah, and the other thing about conspiracy,

it's like they lump you in with all of it. Oh yeah. You're not allowed to just believe or think one could be true. It's like, no, no, you're just in that category now. And as soon as they start making you a flat earther, you know, you just want to step away. Be like, OK, OK.

I thought it was really funny when they were talking about Antarctica. They brought those group of flat earthers out there and they like proved to them. And the one dude was like, all right, I guess you guys are right. And then it like completely dismantled the whole flat earth

community. He was like their hero. And then he's like, listen, right, I guess you guys are right. And then it like completely dismantled the whole Flat Earth community. Like he was like their hero. And then he's like, listen guys, I'm sorry. They're like, they've got to him. Yeah. They started denying him. Yeah. Ridiculous.

But the fact that two didn't, it's like even in the face of overwhelming evidence, you can't be persuaded. then maybe you're just too dumb to learn anything. You know, it would be like, I mean, most people accept the one plus one is two. The little kids, whatever. It's like, but what the units, the actual values, like that's not all important. They're not doing like the background math. They're just young people learning a thing. And it's like, yeah, one plus one is two. If you have to like really break that down and you're still doing it with an adult

and you have to take them to a special location and show them two physical things, move them together and they're still like, I don't think it's two. Be like, bro, we cannot help you at all. You imagine what the rest of that guy's family thinks. They're like, come on, he's the flat earther. And they're like, tell him like,

oh guys, I'm going out to Antarctica. We're gonna see the, they're gonna prove it to us. Like, we're gonna see that the earth is flat or the earth is round or whatever. And then everyone's like, yes, hell yeah. He'll finally get it this time. Finally, they're gonna break through with him. Then whatever. And then everyone's like, yes, hell yeah, he'll finally get it this time. Finally, they're going to break through with him. And then he comes back and he's like, I don't know guys,

I think it's still flat. The family just must be devastated. They're like, we really had hope. We really thought that you were going to change your ways. It's like when you come back from fat camp and you're still fat, you know? Even fatter. Sorry, we tried.

It's like how? Yeah. We didn't give you any food He met he had it. I love the Antarctica conspiracy theories though. So those are yes What is our wild? What's that weapon the directed energy weapons? There we go. Yeah, did you hear the podcast? Guy on Sean Ryan show. I saw that one. Yeah. yeah. I mean it I don't want to say it's like credible it's not like that it's the way that he told the story. The way he explains it yeah. He doesn't seem like just a straight-up liar but what's what's difficult about it is he just had

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He just could like move around the locations and for some reason is in a position now to talk about it. Is that guy still alive? I don't know. And also it's like, where do you go from there? You know, he doesn't have any actual physical evidence. Yeah. And it's like, just overall,

like what is the point of even setting up a base like that there? I mean, that's so difficult to even build anything there. It is, but I mean, if you want absolute complete secrecy, there's no better place. I mean, there really is no better place. Well, do you know that you can't fly over it too? Oh yeah, yeah.

There's a lot of restricted. Not only that, but Antarctica is just fucking massive like it's massive and the amount of like infrastructure and equipment You need to even just reach certain points are insane. And I mean Think about all the crazy infrastructure things that humans have done when we really are like, hey, let's do this Like let's we're gonna put our money in our mouth behind this like, you know, I mean we went to the moon do this, like let's, we're gonna put our money in our mouth behind this. Like, you know, I mean, we went to the moon. That's pretty impressive because we all were behind it and we're like, hell yeah, we're gonna do this.

And so yeah, I bet behind closed doors that you, I mean, we talked about this the last time that no one knows where the money in the Pentagon goes. That's good point. No one knows that. Yeah. So I'm not saying there's a lab in Antarctica. All I'm saying is that if you were to hypothetically create a super secret lab where you wanted absolutely no one

to ever have any idea what's going on, Antarctica will be the place to do that shit. That'd be the best place to do that. That or like the bottom of the ocean, but that seems a lot harder. Yeah. That's tough. Yeah. The pressures. Yeah.

I think that's harder to deal with than going to space. Pressure the other way, instead of it pulling you apart, like space will, the pressure just to squash you. That's another weird one. I don't remember when this happened, but they were doing really a lot of deep sea research in the ocean, and then they just straight up stopped. They're like, yeah, we don't want to know what's going on down here anymore.

This is not worth our time. Like that's kind of weird. You think they drowned something? Well, maybe. I don't know. I mean, I could see it being like not worth it to investigate and stuff, but I mean, we have like nuclear powered submarines now, you know, like whenever people- They can't go super, super deep though.

No, they can't go super, super deep though. No, they can't go super deep, but I'm just saying like the amount of technology that they're able to create for again, when you want to have something that works extremely effectively and you have unlimited amounts of money like the US military does essentially, you can do whatever you want. Right. But anyways, yeah, there's some weird shit that goes on in the deep of the ocean that we're just like, yeah, we're going to go to Mars instead. Well, I mean, they've been seeing all those UAPs flying in the water and then supposedly there's footage like high def of an object going past these oil rigs, like big oil rigs, and it's bigger than them moving very quickly. That's crazy. That has been seen. And it's like, yeah, if we start coming into contact with

things like that, it probably is a good move just to back off a little bit. Yeah, they don't want us fucking with them. I'm sure they're going to get pissed off. Yeah. Well, Antarctica, turns out it can't persuade people that the Earth is not flat, or at least some sad. Do they have direct energy weapons? After what you said, I'm starting to believe yes. So I've jumped on board there. It could be possible.

What was that weapon supposed to do? It made earthquakes, right? Earthquakes and fires. A lot of people were saying that, and there's not a lot of evidence to support this, but a lot of people were suggesting that some of the fires in Maui and in California were started by the direct energy weapon. Yeah. So what is the idea goes from Antarctic?

It must bounce off a satellite. It's probably some sort of satellite if it had to be because that would be the way you would control it. You know, you can aim it anywhere and that makes use it instantly. I don't know. Again, there's not a lot of evidence to support that one. But you think you would see it. If you look at it like a beam go. Yeah, I don't know. But if you look at what they're doing, like in Maui, all of those places, those people lost insurance coverage, they have no money. And then massive real estate corporations and big conglomerates come by and just buy all the land. And then they're going to turn it into like super

high rise stuff. It looks sneaky. It sounds like that's what's going to happen in the Pacific Palisades in LA after those fires because Newsom went on the news and Rogan's, you know, mocked him for it because he did that little dance like, yeah, we're bringing in all these people to, you know, kind of do corporate stuff and buy all this land. And it's like, wait a second, what? Yeah. What about the people that lost their homes? Yeah, like hold the phone here. So it you know, time will tell. I mean, give it a decade and we see what's built there. And that can lean into its own

like conspiracy short, it could just be the result of what happens after there's fires. Yeah, maybe they're the only people that can rebuild in that way realistically. And this is just kind of the evolution of things, but it doesn't look good. No, it looks like there's possibly an incentive for some people to start fires. Yeah. Yeah, I just don't like it. And then a lot of these areas, like the insurance companies getting rid of coverage like months in advance or years in advance sometimes to being like, yeah, we straight up don't cover against fire protection. It's like I live in a fiery area. Why would you not cover for that? You know, it's like living in Florida and not having hurricane insurance. That's, that's crucial.

Or alligator insurance. Yeah. Yeah. That's just your, your cousin, Billy. He just comes over with a shotgun and a case of beer. Wait, by the end of the afternoon, he'll be out of the pool. Guarantee it. The irony of that though is it's really sad. It's almost like living in a cold area and they're like, no, we only have air conditioning here. It's like, no, no, we need heat. It's almost like living in a cold area and they're like, no, we only have air conditioning here. Yeah, it's like, no, no, we need heat. It's cold. Yeah, like there's, there's laws in place. I don't know what the specific laws are

in Montana, but I believe it's something because they have the same thing in Florida, just the inverse where like, if it's in the summer, and your air conditioning unit breaks, there's like a 24 hour or 48 hour period where the people have to go fix it by law Because like you'll just overheat and die or like in the cold you'll just freeze to death But there's like certain laws like no you have to come fix it within 48 hours I think it's under like normal circumstances not like national emergency or stuff like that But under normal second circumstances by law you have have to come fix it by some time.

Because if hundreds of them went out, they wouldn't have the manpower. That would be a different scenario. But yeah, just you, yourself. It's important. I mean, elderly people can't live long. Oh, yeah. If it gets way too hot or too cold very quickly.

Yeah, or small animals and children and stuff like that. It's not good. But yeah, there's certain laws in you know, children and stuff like that. It's not good. But yeah, there's like certain laws in place to protect people from things like that. But not if your house burns down. They you're fucked. Not with energy weapons. Yeah. You're in big trouble. That's going to find you're going to paint your roof blue.

Yeah. Turns out talking about other wild. Well, this is more of a discovery in a sense. So they've used some sort of LIDAR and you guys have probably heard about this everywhere. other wild, well this is more of a discovery in a sense. They've used some sort of LIDAR, and you guys have probably heard about this everywhere, even before it came on Rogan, but I was waiting for this to be broken down. Yeah, they looked under the pyramids

and they found these huge columns, like eight columns, that have coils around them all the way down. There could be walkways that seem hollow. I guess this lidar's like pretty good at measuring things out. So, you know, they're fairly certain these things exist. And they go down like 600 meters. That's pretty far.

And stop on top of these two kind of hollowed out. Definitely constructed carved granite blocks that are ginormous. We're talking like football field. Yeah. Size. Mind boggling. Like at that point, it's like, well, now, what do you say? It already is fairly clear that the pyramids were basically impossible to build. This podcast is brought to you in part by Stash. Saving

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It's just, that's not happening. Yeah, it's like the massive scale of the rocks is one problem. Like how do you move them? Some of them are cut from quarries like hundreds of miles away. Like that's a big problem. How do you move them? But also how do you cut them? I mean, they're cut perfectly.

And according to what modern archeologists say, it would have been during like the Bronze Age, which you can't cut, I mean, you can, it takes extremely long to cut rocks like that. So it's like, how are they cutting them too? That's another issue. It's like, how do you move them and how do you cut them? And how many people would you need without machinery

to place anything every two and a half minutes? I mean that assembly line is rapid. Yeah. Well a lot of people say, well they had just a massive amount of slaves back then, which I could see. When you have millions and millions of people to just do free labor for you, you could get a lot done in a couple hundred years, but some of this stuff just doesn't add up. And then still the big question of what was the purpose of all of this? We still don't understand that. Some people say it was a shrine for the grave, other people say it's some sort of an energy

creation device. Power station after these coils and the whole picture now? It's starting to look like It's more of a giant machine in a sense Had some purpose it had to have done something for them. Yeah, cuz it just takes too much Yeah, too much to put that together Yeah, it's crazy. There's also like the ones in Egypt are pretty mind blowing. There are a lot of the pyramids in Mexico and in Central America, Central and South America are also really cool.

Like have you heard Graham Hancock talk about there's certain some of the pyramids in I believe in Mexico somewhere in South America or South or Central America. I can't remember which ones it is, but the really massive ones, there's a thing that the stairs do on the side of them where when they're in, I think in Equinox or where the sun is in a specific part of the sky during the year, there's a shadow that gets casted on the steps that basically makes the serpent head on the bottom of the steps look like it has, like the shadows form this like wave that go up the top of the steps. So it

makes it look like the whole serpent on the side of the building. It's a really, really cool thing to see. And it only happens at this specific time of the year. So like they engineered this entire pyramid to be in an exact spot so that during this exact time of the year during sunset it creates this formation. That's incredible. That's insane. And you watch it and it looks like a serpent. It looks so cool.

Have you ever seen the map where they like draw the line between the Mexican pyramids where the Egyptian ones are and then there's like some in China and they say that it basically across the globe like draws out the Orion's belt. Oh really? There's a connection to the Orion belt with like each set of pyramids too. Oh I did see that yeah yeah yeah. I don't know how true those things you know it's like yeah if you draw enough lines between stuff you can make graphs look kind of however you want. Yeah. But I don't know it's fun. Yeah and there are like most of the pyramids they're orientated in an exact way that aligns with the sun and the stars in some way. There's

some sort of a astrological significance to them. Yeah, I think they're aligned to true north. Like perfectly aligned. Yeah, which is insane to perfectly align a structure that big at that time. And then there's a weird thing about the base of one of the pyramids or the Great Pyramid that it's like a perfect ratio sizing of the entire globe. It's like you multiply it by so many times and it's like perfectly fit.

I guess you could say that's a coincidence, but I think they're tough ones. I think it gets to a point where you get too many coincidences and you're like, these are no longer a coincidence. This is kind of just a bit too perfect One of my favorite facts about the pyramids is and this was a Neil deGrasse Tyson one that he mentioned on the podcast a while ago, but

after the Great Pyramids the next largest structure that was built so like in timescale The next time we built something taller than the Great Pyramids was the Eiffel Tower in like 18 Whatever it was right early 1800s Uh-huh, but that was the next structure that we've managed to build stable structure that was taller than the pyramid So it took us that long to build something that tall That's taller than this ancient fucking yeah structure. It's crazy And the Eiffel Tower would not last 100 years

if we didn't keep repairing it. No, no way. And you don't need to do anything. The pyramids go nowhere. No, they're not going anywhere. Yeah, it could be a couple of, like, another 10,000 years. They'd still be hanging around, and we'd all be done. Yeah.

It's wild. It's so wild. What did you think of that John Cleese video that they played? So John Cleese was one of the Monty Python characters. Old comedy group in England. Yeah. And they did that video that just basically described each side of politics. Oh yeah, I love that video.

Isn't it clever? So ahead of its time, yeah. I mean, it's so true. Even, yeah, like that's a great example, but I love the way he was talking about how like the great part about it is if you have enemies, you can just blame all of your problems on your enemies and all of the good things in the world are attributed to you and your qualities. Yeah. And so you just demonize people and then it's an easy, convenient thing to be like, ah, something in my life is not working out. I must have these people to blame

because they're the problem of everything. Well, it's a way to justify being really angry all the time, but then also still believing you're the righteous person when really you're just an angry person. Yeah, and I think social media has made that just a good person. Yeah. When really you're just an angry person. Yeah. I think social media has made that so apparent and clear to us. Yeah.

I mean, it's just like all the, everyone just picks a side and you get these echo chambers and no one is willing to hear what anyone else says on the other side. It's just like, make fun of the other side. Gain approval from your side. So I mean, it's no more. Doesn't help anything. It's no more clear make fun of the other side, gain approval from your side. So I mean, it's no more- Doesn't help anything. It's no more clear right now

than what's happening with Elon and Tesla. It's like, people can say, oh, I just don't like what he's up to and what he's- They are vowing for his destruction. Oh yeah. You know, there are people on the left praying for his assassination. I wouldn't be surprised.

I mean, the hatred for this person that made all the electric cars, you know, has been a Democrat his whole life. Instead of just having people question, well, why would he have just changed now? It's all just for, oh, he just wants money, he just wants this and that. You know, they talked about a great Elon quote. He said, what I care about is the reality of goodness, not the perception of it. And what I see all over the place is people who care about looking good while doing evil. I mean, that hits hard. Yeah, that was also, I think during that interview was when he like, he like called out Disney, like he he like by name mentioned I think it was the CEO or whoever was the head at Disney yeah because he was that was the one where he was they were asking him about

advertisers and they were like well what if what if they stop advertising what if what if they stop giving you money for the platform he's like I don't give a fuck yeah fuck if the money doesn't come the money doesn't come I don't give a fuck and then he said that but yeah yeah, I think that's so true. That was badass. It was badass. And I think it's true, you know? Like, so many companies you get,

whether it's like human rights or, you know, energy and the planet and the environment and stuff, it's like, it doesn't matter whether you're actually doing anything good. It matters if you can perceive people to think that you're doing good. You know, it's like, I hate all these companies that try to make themselves seem like they're for the

environment, for sustainability. And then what they're actually doing is terrible for the environment, terrible for sustainability, terrible for human rights. Like for sure. It's just completely backwards of what they're trying to sell. Yeah. It's all just perception. Yeah. It's like how can we make ourselves look while getting the most money? just completely backwards of what they're trying to sell. Yeah, it's all just perception. Yeah. It's like, how can we make ourselves look while getting the most money?

Oh yeah. And it doesn't matter. It's like, they could just wait for society to kind of lean towards something, and then they would be, they double down. It's like all of a sudden, you know, if all of a sudden the DEI thing and the wokeness and the equity inclusion changed into just, you know, masculine, this and that, if it

just went the other way, all of a sudden all the Disney characters would be jacked. Just suddenly that. Did you hear, have you been paying attention to what's going on with the new Snow White movie at all? Oh, I have a bit. Disney? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it's terrible. It completely backfired on them.

Uh-huh. Completely backfired. Because that's what they tried to do. They tried to make it like a new woke thing and like not go away from the original story and they're like, he's not going to be saved by a man this time and like rewrote everything and everyone's just like, this is a dog shit movie. Like it's just terrible movie. People hate it. I read an article just now because it's so undeniable how badly this has flopped that the article said don't blame wokeness. It's not even the woke stuff in the movie.

It's just that it was just a bad movie not delivered well by the actresses. And it's almost like protecting wokeism yeah you know what I mean it's like yeah right it that way to be like oh no it's not really all because of this it's actually just that parts of it are a terrible film it's like I don't know if that's true it's just the basis of the idea is wrong. It's like whenever Whenever they try to make like a Uh a spin-off of some already established movie to make it like more progressive like, you know, they did the uh,

female ghostbusters and then they did they did the uh, What was the other one they did oceans 11 oceans? Yeah, the new oceans one and it's like, just create something new. There's nothing wrong with making a female-empowered movie. It's just don't try and like take an already good story and reconstruct it for your own narrative. Like make your own story. But yeah, Brighton means. There's nothing wrong with that, yeah. There's nothing wrong with that,

but don't just try and like destroy something that already has value to repurpose it for your own message. You know, that's not helpful at all. It's lazy. They didn't have to redo groomsmen in order to make bridesmaids. They just wrote an original piece that was absolutely hilarious. They used a bunch of female comedians that were brilliant. A lot of SNL and it was phenomenal. But when they did that with Ghostbusters, they used a great cast, a lot of very, very funny women, and it was just mostly dog shit. They completely wasted those characters. I mean, it was like a bad SNL skit through the whole thing.

And it really surprised me because they had so many talented, hilarious female actresses in there. I was like, they could probably pull this off. Didn't even get close. Yeah. Well, I think I think a lot of it, not a lot of it, but I think some of it goes back to one of the things that they talked about in the podcast, which is like, you can't just build like nowadays, you don't just build people up. It's like you destroy the other side to build yourself up.

And so it's like we're going to make a female empowering movie to get back at the men. And like I will admit men do this as well. Like both sides are just like, you can't just be happy for ourselves. It's like we have to get back at them. It's like they're wrong or better. And it's like it goes on both sides. Men do it to women, women do it to men all the time. And it's like, that's not productive. If we're really trying to maximize happiness and, you know, get everyone on the same page and communicate more and actually have a better quality of life for ourselves,

we can't just tear down each other to build ourselves up, you know, that's not how you do things You can build each other up at the same time, but it's it's always like I'm doing this. This is better than what they're doing or like They're doing this look at what I'm doing. I'm so much better or you know, whatever it is. It's it's not just hey I'm doing this good thing. That's awesome. It's like I'm'm doing this better than them, or I'm doing this in spite of them, or whatever it is. You know, it's not helpful at all. Well, what's the end game? You either got to run out of people to demonize, or you just crush them down to nothing. Yeah, you just complete... Yeah, just keep making the divide further. It's okay to disagree with people. It's okay to not like their politics, their ideas, unless, you know, someone is breaking the

law in a way to attack you or invading you, then give people space to have different opinions. Yeah. And I don't like the idea of everybody thinking the same way and agreeing with the same thing. No, that's a bad idea. I don't know what that, what is that? Communist China? You know? Yeah. It's like, at what point are you just like, oh, we're all exactly the same.

It's nice to have a chat with somebody that thinks completely different to you. And then also realize that also a good person. Yeah. Like, Hey, that's cool. Yeah. You can disagree with somebody without demonizing them. What do you think about the NGOs and USAID potentially funding Tesla tax? It's going to be interesting to see how they lay out those findings. But what tax are they going to be paying for Tesla? Sorry, you said a Tesla tax attacks

No attacking Oh attacking. Oh Yeah funding the protests that are leading to you know, some of these vehicles being damaged and Possibly the money is coming from these NGOs. I mean, you would imagine there's a paper trail. You would imagine it could be provable. But holy shit, what does that mean? And how many government funded protests and violent things does this go back to Black Lives Matter? Like, and the rioting that led from that? I mean, at what point is it like, how long have we been paying for this stuff? Yeah, I don't know. I definitely think that the government is in the business of incentivizing violence and upset in that way.

Like, it's not uncommon for them to do stuff like that. It's just they're pretty good at it. So it's hard to find. It's hard to catch them on. They got lots good at it. So it's hard to find. It's hard to catch them on. They got lots of shredders. Yeah. It's also hard too, because it's like, if it is true that USAID is funding this, and they're backing protesters and stuff like that, if that is true, there's also people who just genuinely are doing that,

because that's what they feel is right. They just want to do that. That's true. So you get both sides of it. And it's hard to kind is right. Like they just want to do that. That's true. You know, so you get both sides of it and it's hard to kind of draw the lines of like, who's motivated by what. But I think that's what makes it difficult to kind of prove is like once, uh, there's momentum to start a protest somewhere, you know, like, Hey, we're going to pick it outside of this Tesla dealership.

Then NGOs with money could jump on the back of that, knowing that other people that are there for genuine protesting and, you know, reasons, are already going to be there. Or they organize it themselves and these other people just jump on board. And it's like, well, who started it? Yeah, it gets hard. It gets hard. It gets hard to do that. Do you remember during during COVID? I think it was during a lot of the Black Lives Matter protests. There would just be like random pallets of bricks at protests. Like people were just finding them. Just like random pallets,

just sitting on the street. Like what is that coming from? What's the most, like, obviously you want to incite violence, like, but who's doing that? Yeah, I mean, some of them were in downtown Chicago. Yeah. And they're not using bricks to build a lot of things. You would think kind of, but that's not how they build those giant buildings. No.

And not with just a big pallet that they leave there overnight. Yeah. And it wasn't like near construction sites. It was like on street corners. Yeah, there was nothing around being built. And it's just like weird, you know, because I mean, it's not easy to move a pallet of bricks, you know, if you and a couple of buddies were just like, hey, let's go put it take you all day. It would be hard work.

Though saying that, if you know up in a white truck and just put them on the side nobody would question anything yeah that's like oh they're building something put some high-vis vests on no one would ask a question drop them off leave and it's like I guess they're there yeah I mean that one is is pretty creepy because it's known that they were throwing a lot of bricks around. Oh, yeah. It's it's a very real thing. But it's scary, like regardless of what side it is, like it's scary that

like someone would even do that, you know, like someone would be so motivated and pushed to literally put pallets of bricks near already violent protests. That's wild. Yeah, I think people just get given missions and you can start out real slow with like the nefarious tasks. And then before you know it, it's like, yeah, yeah, we're just leaving, you know, glass in this playground. And that's just the mission today. Yeah, just go do it. That's what you do. This is your secret job. Don't tell anyone. Yeah. And yeah, I think people can go get pretty ugly. What did you think about the video they played of Baron Trump going up to Biden at the inauguration? Oh, I didn't. And the videos like ever since it happened, I mean, the video was

Like ever since it happened, I mean, the video was, was shown a lot and it's like Biden smiling. Barron goes over, giant guy leans in, says something and then Biden just looks terrified. Yeah. And I supposedly some lip readers, like tried to analyze it. You know, someone that they professional that they bring into, you know, lip read for lots of different things. And yeah, he said it's on now. Yeah. Wow. Like, I don't know. Holy shit. I will say I feel like how pissed he is, though.

They tried to lock his dad up. Yeah, I feel like honestly, though, I don't know what he said. It seems pretty accurate when you watch the video. It seems like that's what he said. But I feel like you could go up to Biden, say any sentence and he would probably have the same reaction. Just be like, yeah, you hand him a sandwich and he'd be like, I have no idea what to be like.

Like, hey, nice suit, dude. And he's all, I mean, it's, it's hard to know how old is Barrett now. He's got to be, is he 18 yet? Is he an adult? Yeah, I think so yeah he's in college I think I remember like the last election cycle he was like 15 or 16 or so he was pretty young he was real young and holy hell did he get tall fast oh yeah he's giant what they say is six eight I mean he just looks six eight you

wait till he fills out geez that guy's gonna have a good chance. Yeah president in the future. Yeah, what's he gonna do? I don't know we'll see if he if he You know gets in some trouble and fucks up his chances or if he stays tight Well, they've already established that you know, they can't find cocaine in the White House They don't they won't trace it back to you. So if he wants to go down that path, door's already open. Oh dear.

Good old Hunter Biden. All right, so Barron is 19 years old. 19. Yeah. He was born on March 20. Oh, so it was just his birthday. Look at that. Wow.

In college. 19 and 6'8". 19 years old and your dad is a president. That's got to be a mind fuck. That's yeah. That's why. Well how old was 2016? So that's like nine years ago. Yeah. He would have been even younger. His whole life is just. But I feel like when you're 10 years old, you don't really know what's going on. Like at 19, you have not a great idea of how the world works but you at least know what the president is a little bit more like you understand a little bit more yeah enough to know like oh shit this is crazy you know yeah but what an upbringing to be

like thrust in the middle of that world and especially with what was happening with his dad and the courts and yeah trying to send him to jail and just all of the politics around everything. Yeah. Intense, dude. He better buckle down for the next one. 100%. Joe kind of listed a little bit towards the end of this podcast just about, you know, obviously people now really so many people label Joe as like right-wing.

You know, he had Trump on, he's kind of been leaning that way, he's frustrated with COVID, he couldn't stand. Gavin Newsom's approach to things in California, he moved to Texas. You know, you would say that the compass is pointing a little bit more that direction. But also, you know, you don't throw the baby out with the little bit more that direction. But also, you know, you don't throw the baby out with a bath water with that. It's like he was a Democrat always. He has a lot of social, you know, income and health care and and like left wing values still believes

in gay marriage, you know, abortion things. Big on income for the poor, like having something, because his family used that, he believes that should exist. He thinks not having social health care is nuts, you know, I'm British so I think the same thing. I mean it is strange to not have and I think that there's a place for it. America can figure it out with that good. Yeah, we can make it work. Yeah, we can make it work.

And, you know, I mean, that's a lot of what he really believes in. So even though there's a few pieces that are out, it's almost like the left is kicking him out. And the left likes to kind of do that, it seems. Well I think nowadays it's gone so divisive that if you're in the middle, say you're a middle roader, you're going to be pushed from either side. The righties are going to call you a lefty, the lefties are going to call you a righty. You can't just be a moderate anymore.

You've got to get down on your knees and suck the party dick a little bit nowadays. Right. You know, you got to kind of play that game, which sucks. I will say I feel like I feel like Joe Rogan still pretty middle middle earth, dude, you know, whenever you talk to him, pretty, pretty center, dude. But I do feel like a lot of people do kind of feel like he pushed a little bit towards the right, just with the whole Trump thing and Elon thing and then like him being at the inauguration and all that stuff. I don't think that he's like a far rightist, but I do feel like he's kind of nudged a little bit more to the right,

at least before, because I remember like a couple years ago when people would ask him about like, oh, would you ever have Trump on the podcast? Would you ever have politicians and stuff like that? He was a lot more against it than before than he is now. And so I think in general, him as well as Elon, they've just gotten more involved in politics. And so people feel like he's a little bit more on the right because of that.

And I feel that way a little bit, but I still feel like he's he's he's not outrageous, you know, like he's not a he's not a radical rightist. He's not fucking racist or anything like that. Last election, he was far more likely to vote for Trump than Kamala. I don't know who he voted for. But saying that in the future, when there's other candidates and the left actually gets someone good that represents the values that are things Joe also believes in, when you're more centrist, there's equal chance that you can go back the other side.

Yeah. And I mean, he still did have a lot of more middle of the road leftist people on the podcast. He had I mean he still did have a he had a lot of more middle-of-the-road leftist people on the podcast like he had Bernie on a while ago he had a couple other people on. The Senator Federman is his name yeah he wears like the hoodies and looks like he works at a gas station. Yeah. That guy was pretty good actually I liked I liked him he seemed pretty genuine. But I feel like it's just more people's them just getting more involved in politics like they used to be like talk about it give like somewhat what they feel but not actually get involved in it whereas I feel like now they play more of an active

role in that mm-hmm which some people don't like some people like I'm kind of indifferent to it I feel like as long as they're moving in a good direction, you know, it's, it's all right to get involved, but we just got to keep things reasonable, you know, just don't get crazy. And I also think we need to start prioritizing the right things. We're arguing about a lot of stuff that is kind of nonsense. Yeah. It's like, you know, with Elon focusing on trying to slow down the national debt,

that might be a good thing. Like, I wish more people were just like, yeah, this is kind of like nonpartisan. Let's work together to do this. It seems like a really good move for the country and for everybody. Another big one that Chris and Joe brought up on this podcast is the obesity problem in the world. Oh, yeah. And it's like we think I don't know what people think. Do we think that

we're getting healthier? No, this is the fattest time ever. Yeah. There's a billion obese people in the world. That's nuts. More obese people than starving people. That's wild. The average American, Chris said, is like is fatter than pigs. That's a wild stat. Yeah, isn't it like almost 50% of people are like obese by some metric. It's a lot. I mean- He said something about by 2030,

like half the kids or more than half will be- Oh yeah. That's always the saddest, you know, whenever you just see some... I used to work at a grocery store when I was in high school, and I realized like super soon into it, like you can easily tell what people are looking like just based on their grocery cart. A hundred percent.

Like someone pulled their grocery cart forward, you see like a bunch of frozen food, snacks and candies and cookies and shit, and you're like, this person can be 500 pounds. And sure enough, they were. And then their kids, their like five-year-old kid is also obese. You're like, how does that even happen? That and sure enough they were the only kids they're like five year old kid is also obese you're like how's that even happen that's terrible well the sodas they buy dude oh my god I used to there was this guy who would come in every Sunday and buy four packs for 12 packs four to six twelve packs of Diet Coke every Sunday Wow and he had he had

one of the electric carts he wasn't actually overweight which was the crazy part he was just kind of an older man who was slow to move around yeah it was diet it was a little better but yeah I would always help him move it to his car and it was like every week four of them at least and I was like damn dude that's that's terrible yeah I mean when I was in England growing up I just thought like sodas were for kids I didn't know many adults that would have sodas like cokes and whatever. And then I when I did move to America in the mid 90s, I mean, it was just a whole different thing. It was just like, yeah, everyone's just it's like don't drink water

anymore. Have a soda. Yeah, everyone. I mean, it's delicious. I get it. Yeah. But also there was something missing. There was something different. And it was like allowed and okay and so should I fine. And when you make room like that, it's, it's a bad, bad setup. I mean, look, people, people give Whole Foods some shit because it's so expensive, and not everyone can afford to get food there and etc. And I totally get that is expensive but when I was there the other day here in Bozeman everyone in the store was skinny oh yeah skinnier in shape there were no there

wasn't one person that I would say was a fat person in there you should go to Walmart that's not a coincidence the opposite the opposite but I will say I feel like in Bozeman because we're so much of an outdoorsy active town It is a little bit skewed. Like I feel like we have a lot less fat people in Bozeman It's probably because whenever I go down to Florida or Tennessee to see my family. It's like the opposite. It's like a big switchflips Overweight people even at their Whole Foods. Yeah But it still told me something. I mean, you know, I go to the other grocery stores here.

That's not the case. You know, they're just different sizes of people. And it does go back to what you're saying. Like the people spending a long time in the fruits and vegetables section don't look like the people that are going up and down the cereal aisle. I've never seen a, well, I don't want to say I never,

but it's more likely that you'll see like a really skinny person looking at the ingredients than you will a fat person. Like I never see a fat person being like, let me check what ingredients are in this. You know, they don't give a shit. They're looking at the bright picture on the front and they're like, look how happy that leprechaun is. Like how many servings can I eat before I feel ashamed of myself? Look how happy that leprechaun is. Like how many servings can I eat before I feel ashamed of myself? I know it's sad though. It really is. It's like one thing that I wish we would focus on. I hope RFK can do it and make a bit of a shift and just highlight what is bad.

You know, I'm sure as soon as Trump is out, it's going to go back to the way it was before where they've just got that crappy food pyramid and no one's making a big fuss about it. And everyone's just like, Oh yeah, just kind of cut out sugar if you can. But there's like, no, this is terrible for you class. You know, they like really show kids this is what happens if you keep eating like this. Yeah. And it's sad too, because a lot sad too because a lot of it is,

a lot of it is like, you know, you see overweight parents and then their kids are overweight and then they grow up overweight and then they've really never spent any of their life skinny, you know, just because of the way that they were raised. Like the parents have a terrible diet. They get born, they also accrue a terrible diet, gain a bunch of weight and the cycle continues

Yeah, and it's it's really hard to break out of that when you've been doing that your whole life as well Yeah for sure. It's not impossible. It's just hard. Mm-hmm. Let's finish up with the The unkillable soldiers the math guy. Yeah so World War two and math. Yeah yeah meth powered war oh yeah do you think they were talking about world war one but I'm sure it was well yeah so it but if they didn't invent that drug do you think maybe those two wars wouldn't have happened they wouldn't have been as successful would not have been would not

have been the same without it right but. But yeah, no. I mean... So this guy basically was fighting against the Russians. They, he had... A Finnish soldier, yep. Right. He had a ton of meth, which they gave to all the soldiers. 30, 30 person supply? Yeah. In his pocket? He somehow...

That somehow melted or got into a system somehow. How does that even work? I don't know. It just melts into his leg. Well, I'm sure you've heard stories of people who go through, they'll like put drugs up their butt for security and then the bag breaks or something. And then it like goes into their system through their butt

and they just get like, they overdose on whatever it is cause their little baggy broke in their butthole and now they have a bunch of drugs going through their system maybe. I don't know if it was up his butt, hopefully not. 30 people's supply of drugs is probably too much to go up the butt but it somehow got into his system. He basically lost his mind, took off skiing, skied like 60 miles, kind of blacked out, didn't know where he was, woke up, burned the cabin down, hallucinated a bunch, kept thinking he was getting attacked

by Russians and Wolverines and the rest of it, got blown up at a landmine and then blown up another time with a door hitting him. He lost, he he traveled like hundreds of miles yeah he weighed 90 pounds by the time they got 14 days yeah he went from whatever his starting weight was it didn't say but he lost all of it in 14 days well think of the calories he would have been I know fuck goes epic people ought to do that 14 day math binge. Russian wilderness and landmines. Landmines. Turns out, incredible. And he still lived to like 80.

Yeah. Like those stories are fascinating. I do like that Chris brings those on and it's like weirdly inspired by that. While I was listening to it, and I said it to you while we were listening, I was like, I would have given up. Oh, yeah given up immediately Yeah, as soon as I was 10 miles into the scheme bit. I'd be like, I don't know what I'm doing. I'm fucked

Yeah, I have no ability to survive this. That's that meth though son. Yeah Gets you going. It's a hell of a drug. You're like, I don't fucking know where I'm going. I'm gonna keep going. That's crazy Loved it. Well, thanks Sean for today Thanks for having me check out the Chris podcast the guy's a legend and We'll talk to you guys next time