Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 437 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Dr. Suzanne Humphries

Episode Date: April 3, 2025

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This might either be the worst podcast or the best one of all time. One, two, one, go. Enjoy the show. Alright, welcome back to the Joe Rogan experience review. My name is Adam, joined by good old Sean. Seems to be a weekly thing now. Welcome back Sean. Iping you in me I'm roping you back in I feel like I'm always the like heavy-hitting like deep podcast I never get like a comedian or anything no can we just make a bunch of gay jokes and have fun why do we always have to talk about government conspiracy theories I need I need a real thinker though. Yeah, you read too many books Not really. I've convinced you

You're more of a cliff notes guy, yeah spark notes Yeah, is that the new no if anyone is actually getting their information from spark notes and is not like doing it to cheat on A test you need to reevaluate your life. This is true it's cheat on a test you need to reevaluate your life. This is true. A YouTube documentary has more information than spark notes in a book will give you. Yeah, you can't bullet point a book. Maybe you can. Maybe you can. Talking about bullet pointing, quick disclaimer for this one.

We are reviewing- Is this the first disclaimer we've had on the show? Yeah. This one's kind of a fake bullshit disclaimer, but I wanted to throw it in there because we're doing Dr. Suzanne Humphreys. And here's the thing. My family will listen to this and

they'll be like, are you an anti-vaxxer now? And I just can't have those conversations. Let's just say I'm a bit of one in some areas. OK, certain ones I don't like. I don't like the COVID vaccine.

Does that make me a anti-vaxxer? Maybe. I mean, that's if you're against one, how many do you need to be against? But listen, the disclaimer is this. Before we jump in, okay, I'm not endorsing or saying we totally agree with any of these things that are being said. We're riffing, you know, we review We're chewing on the discussion. We're just thinking about points and adding them into the total info of our lives, right? so as we go along and this is how I do all of the reviews and I get a lot of criticism for it people be like I can't believe that you agree with that and I'm like I'm reviewing the thing that was said and saying oh if that's true wouldn't that be wild yeah? Doesn't mean I go away, and I'm like we didn't go to the moon then I didn't necessarily agree with that moon guy

But he brought up some stuff that was like interesting to think about yeah, it's okay also You know the haters are there's a welcome space for them. Yeah. Just to be clear, none of our names start with doctor. That is not on any government document you will find about any of us. So, oh yeah, we cannot be trusted. Do not take medical advice from this episode of the podcast. That being said though, there is a lot of doubt, I feel. Yeah. Have you ever heard of a book, dissolving illusions? Maybe I've heard of the name of it. Yeah. I own it. Oh, really? It's good. Who wrote that one?

Was that her book? Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. It came out a while ago. This was all pre-COVID stuff, right? Yeah. It's like 2013, I think. Yeah, that's early on. I got it. I first heard about it maybe 2017, and it was, you know, before any COVID stuff. So it was like fascinating to read, but I didn't take a lot of it seriously. I was just full on board with like, well, vaccines are still good, though. But it is interesting to hear about all these things.

Obviously, since COVID, things have changed a little bit. But I mean, the book is really interesting. I recommend people check it out if you're kind of curious about these sorts of things. When you read the book, was that like the first time that you like thought more about this topic and like put a little bit of doubt in your mind? Or did you kind of go in reading it being like, like what was your initial impression after reading the book of honestly how did it change your perception of? Yeah. So honestly,

this isn't like the first book or thing that I watched or read that, you know, goes against the zeitgeist of what's happening. You know, it's like I've always been into like off the wall kind of wacky ideas for things. Especially when it comes to health. Like I've always liked reading books that were like, you need to just eat potatoes. And it's like, all right, easy British book. It's like wild diet that, you ever heard of Penn and Teller? No. The magicians?

They do like a lot of illusion things with a bigger guy. He did this diet that was just potatoes that he knew of from this guy. He lost a lot of weight. Did it make him disappear? No, he just got thinner. Oh, and almost. I think that the diet is probably whack, but it worked for him. My point is, like, I would read those types of

books. I come in, you know, I just read enough to where I'm like, Oh, that could be interesting. This one seemed interesting because it went against so much of what I thought to be true for medical science. And while I'm reading it, it's like logical. I'm like, yeah, yeah. Also, I had had all those vaccines because I was an adult. I wasn't thinking about having kids. I wasn't in a place where I was like really questioning it. It wasn't like I was going to go out and tell everyone, whoa, easy. But it just kind of gave me a broader idea of like, before that book, I took them all for granted. Like they work 100%. They're the best science. I just kind of threw them in the same category as like,

yeah, taking ibuprofen does help with inflammation, but if you take enough of it, your liver will collapse. So they're not good as well. And it just kind of went there. It just kind of told me that there's nothing that's actually perfect in medical science, which is reasonable, I think. I think that's, that's a, that's a trap that you don't want to get in. We always want to be questioning what we're taking and what's going on. Yeah, I agree. And I feel like of all the conspiratorial, whatever, put them all in one box topics,

the vaccine one is definitely the one that people push back on the most or at least have the most resistance to share the other side about. And I mean, I feel that as well. Like when I... I mean, by a long way though, nobody defends drugs in general. Maybe antibiotics people will defend. But you're right, vaccines are like the king of the hill for that. When you ask people what do you think about vaccines, they're like, oh, it's the greatest

creation of all time. That's how we're able to not collapse as a society. That's why we don't have the plague anymore and stuff like that. And I think that maybe some of that is true, but the whole idea that vaccines are good regardless, just blindly accepting them, taking all of them. I think that with any topic, you should always go into it

trying to learn a little bit more about it. Like that was the thing with COVID that I didn't really like. It's like, it was so pushed upon that you must get the vaccine, you must get the vaccine. But there wasn't a whole lot of explanation of like what it's doing, why it's doing that, like how this is going to affect us. And also the one that kind of messed with me was people were getting vaccines and they were still transmitting the disease, they were still getting the disease. It's like, isn't that supposed to be the whole point of the vaccine is not to reduce the spread of this? You know, like if you've already got COVID and you have the antibodies and it didn't

get you sick, why do you still need the vaccine? That was my thinking. I only got the first one. And then I was like, I don't like I'm a young kid. I exercise all the time. I'm pretty healthy. Like I don't I don't I didn't have a confirmed case of COVID. I might have got it at some point. If I did, it was probably asymptomatic. I don't remember getting sick during COVID times. But I was like, if I'm fine, I don't need to take the vaccine. You know? Yeah, Like my body can fight this off. You weren't allowed to think that. No.

Like if anything, if you talked about that openly at certain times, even some of your closest allies and friends would be like, you're a piece of shit, Sean. Oh yeah. It was programmed. It was wild. I feel like I played it smart though because I just got the first one. So whenever people would ask me, oh did you get the vaccine? I'd be like, yeah I got it. And then whenever people would be like the opposite side would be like, oh did you get the COVID

vaccine? I'd be like, yeah but I just got the first one. You know, like I would kind of play to both sides of it. You just, you just. But deep down I was skeptical. I was super skeptical. Yeah, I mean the whole kind of thing in her book, and she alludes to this, like, with a lot of what she talks about in the podcast is that it's not that the vaccines throughout history have saved us. It's that sanitation, clean water, better food, they did it, right?

Yeah. And this is when no publisher would touch a book they were like nah nah nah no chance yeah, so they self published and Through that process sold a lot of books and then eventually the publishers came back and said hey. Yeah, no, we're totally publisher Yeah, you know it's gonna add legitimacy to it This podcast is brought to you in part by Stash. Savings and investing can feel impossible, but with Stash, it's not just a reality, it's easy.

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and investment advisor investing involves risks offer a subject terms and conditions and she was like fuck off no yeah but you know, but Joe brought up a great point. It's like, when do you ever look at a book and you're like, wait, who published this? Yeah, this is an 1860. No one cares about who the publisher is. Yeah, exactly. It's self published and it's maybe like talking about flat earth. Well, that's on you. Yeah. But otherwise it's like, well, they figured out how to publish it, I'll read it. Yeah, I don't think you need to have like the legitimacy of a publisher to make your book like factual or anything, but if you're trying to, I mean, good for her for being able to self-publish

and get it out there, but I know for a lot of writers that that path is like basically zero percent chance that that's going to work out for most writers. It is extremely hard even to get publishers to be interested in your topic. And then if you're like, oh, I'm going to like go away from the publishers, going to do it on my own. It's like no one's going to buy your book most of the time. It's very low probability that people buy a book, even if you do get published. Like the percent of books that actually get read versus the amount that go into print

is hugely skewed. Well, especially because things like the New York Times, is it the New York Times publisher? The best seller? Yeah. Yeah, it's all bullshit. Oh yeah. Like they basically buy their way on there. Oh yeah.

And that was highlighted with RFK in his book, The Real Anthony Fauci, that was a top seller, but never listed on there because they didn't like the topic. We can't promote this topic. We don't like this. It's like, okay. It doesn't. Isn't the idea of quote unquote burning the books all about this dangerous censorship, dystopian future,

yet isn't it similar if you control the fucking list of popular books? Yeah, I mean, that's what people that's what people pay attention to. But think about it, that would be the same as if Apple podcasts or Spotify just went, oh, well, Joe Rogan's number one, but we just don't put him on the list. Yeah, because we don't like the things he talks about. That's a massive disservice because if it's very popular with people, other people should know. That's why things get five star reviews. That's why ratings exist. That's why Yelp exists.

How else do you know that this piece of shitty furniture that you're buying from Amazon is any good unless you look at the reviews. Yeah. It's the same thing that like the Academy Awards do, you know, it's like supposed to be this like the vote people bring in the vote for the Grammys and it's like the vote is fake as fuck. It's like they do the same thing. They pick who they want to promote. They pick who they have like contracts with like 100% the fact that Predator didn't win any

Predator one with Arnold Schwarzenegger didn't win an Academy Award for most badass movie of all time. Yeah Ever since I knew it was a sham Beyonce getting like the country album of the year. It's like come on That's fucking stupid like their kids Jay- Z and Beyonce's kids have Grammys Do you know that the there's rumors that Jay Z basically paid for that? Oh, no, it is it's it's it's confirmed pretty much because 50 cent talks about this once they sign that like marriage the best once they sign that marriage agreement They started getting all the Grammys They have like 20 something Grammys between the two of them. And it was after they signed this like marriage agreement and basically bought their way into the establishment

that they started getting all these awards. But there's so many artists that talk about how fake the Grammys are. Right. All of those. Quick shout out to 50 Cent for being an absolute legend. He is a legend. It's, it's's he's almost like the Alex Jones of rapping. Oh yeah. It takes a while before you're like wait what

Epstein Island is real? It takes a while for some of his prophecies. He's ahead of the time. My favorite one is when one of the talk show hosts or whatever it is was talking about like how much money 50 cent has and uh he like totally plays into it but he's like you have a lot of money too like i don't remember which one of the stupid comedians are doing those shows now but it was one of them and um it wasn't any of the kimels it was one of the other guys i can't remember one of the annoying ones colbert yeah it was col of the annoying ones. Colbert? Yeah, it was Colbert. And he's like, you've been on TV for how many seasons?

It's like over 10 seasons. He's like, you have a lot of money too. This is big money. Like, don't act like you're amongst the people. Like you have just as much money as I do, motherfucker. It's so true. And he tries to like play it down and shit. It's so funny, but he calls him out so hard.

I love it. I absolutely love it. I absolutely love it. Next up, vaccine trials. This is always a big thing. And it's kind of contentious because it's like, you know, they still did their trials. The trials are good.

It's like the discussions I've had with people where like I always go in like, well, how do we know they did? Like, well, we just got to believe in the scientists did that they did do all the trials. I'm like, did they? Yeah, where does it say that? How can we be sure? Are we allowed to ask?

That's where it got weird. And you know, Suzanne, Dr. Humphries, sorry, respect, was like, well, she went hard on those trials and said they're not scientific and they're just getting worse, which is a bold statement, right? No saline placebos, just vaccines on vaccine tests, hiding like the real risks.

And then, you know, she kind of talks about the aluminum in there mercury she calls out Pfizer only 252 people got the E. coli version which is like how they made it before billions of people did really they did a trial on 250 people? Seems like a small group. What were they doing in Bozeman? Yeah. Like, get some more people. Well, that was a lot of the same stuff that RFK was talking about when he went on Rogan a while ago and when he started being really popular way before the presidency. During COVID, actually, he was talking about how the COVID tests and the trials that they were doing were not regulated correctly and

they were misinforming people on the actual results and like moving goalposts to make themselves seem like it was all accurate. And that was, that was kind of the start, at least for me, of what put the idea that the medical industry does not have our best interests at heart, at least not fully. There's a lot of fucked up shit going on there. And a lot of it, especially these big pharmaceutical companies are just so greedy, so money hungry.

That's what a lot of it is. Well, you could imagine that, because there's so many levels to it, right? It's like the people doing the actual science, often it's very specialized, so it's all divided up. Like you're doing enzymes, you're doing this one, you're doing like, you know, like pill production, something like that. Like you're gaining this kind of ketone for this molecule that we're then going to change into this racemic index of some other compound. And then they make the pharmaceutical.

All those people at that level, even within the system that they work in, can be like pumped up, motivated, educated with this whole PowerPoint of we're helping people, it's about saving lives, it's about this and that. Yet, at a different level, there's like the sales team, the marketing team, the PR team, how they get the message out, you know, the lobbyists that deal with government, and they're like, well, we need to make sure

that we can't be sued for these things, because they represent the company. So it's not like everyone together is this evil type of individual that's just like, oh yeah, we're just in it for money. I'm sure there are plenty of levels of people really doing their best. But ultimately it seems like as a whole,

when you're looking at the picture, it's like a massive moneymaker. They hope it works, but the technology just isn't there. They don't really do it well. And then there's this whole back end where you can't sue them. Oh yeah. That's the scary part is when they pay for immunity and stuff like that. That's scary. But yeah, I mean you bring up a good point is like, I think this is true with a lot of the corrupt organizations that are out there is you have a lot of people working on the ground level that are decent good people

that are actually trying to help people and you know doing it for the good of their heart like they're genuinely good people but the overall direction that the company is moving and the message and everything like that is so skewed and they're moving in the complete opposite direction but the people working on those levels, like the lower levels don't understand fully what's going on. And so, but it's not their fault. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's not fair to get mad at them. You got to get mad at the people who are in

control. People are actually moving the chess pieces and pushing things in certain directions. The woman that works at the DMV is a bitch just because she's getting underpaid and her life sucks, but that doesn't mean that everyone in the government is a cunt. Like there are a lot of good people in government and there are a lot of like people who are actually doing good things. It's just the overall organization is moving in a direction. Like the people who are pulling the strings are the ones to blame and those

people are always, no one knows who they are. No one knows. And they have immunity too. Right. So here's a mind blower. So, um, Dr. Humphrey says that arsenic poisoning is like mimics the polio's neurological damage, like paralysis and neuropathy. Right. So this one, it was like, it's a tough sell. It's like conspiracy level things. But let's just assume that she has looked at this,

the research made sense, and I don't know how she could go down a path of just like making this up. Like that's where I question it. But it's like DDT and Mercurials too think livestock and those dips that they had in the 40s. So she's arguing that tons of polio cases were misdiagnosed toxin hits, not viruses. Tons of toxins. So once the vaccines rolled out, they relabeled the leftovers of some sort of thing. And then they cut the toxins. Yeah.

Like, yeah, that sounds super conspiratorial, but like, I don't know. How do you even check that that could be true other than like, oh, I believe her, I'll take her word for it. Yeah, it's tough. Like even, yeah, I really wonder how she went about doing all this research and I'm curious where the information is coming from because you look into these things, like even just Google search or any one talking point, and all the results you see are pro, pro vaccine, pro everything.

Yeah. It's very hard to find not pro information, which maybe it's because it's good. Well, maybe there's, maybe there's that, but also that's the, that's the hard part about this is, and that's what makes it confusing for the average listener or just people who are curious is it's very hard to do research on your own and figure it out like you're in the doctor doctor's office they give you three choices of what you're about to do to whoever like you got to get this vaccine

and you're like trying to look up this shit on your phone it's like good luck dude right good luck this woman spent how long did she spend in, she was living in her, what was it, a tent? Yeah. Yeah, a tent, doing research for years. Like, that's, that's hardcore. And she knew people would shit on her. Like, here's the thing. If she sounded or seemed, and like, you can't understand someone just from a few hours of an interview.

But, like like there are actually recluse people out there. They have a type of way about them. It doesn't take long to figure out who recluses are. They're often introverts and kind of withdrawn and skeptical of humanity as a whole. There's also people that are self-destructive that exist. The kind of people that would write a book that are like happily will get them a ton of attention, even though they know there's a lot of hate behind it and people will discredit them.

She doesn't seem to fit any of those psychologies to me. So then I'm thinking, well, why would you spend this time doing this, knowing that this is going to hit so hard, unless you were really seeing some things lining up? Like, the difficult question there is like, how good of a researcher is she, you know, comparatively? And at the same time, it's like kind of logical. And this is why I think so. I don't know how they diagnose things for polio in the past. I don't even know much about polio, right? I've seen a couple of people that, you know, years ago suffered from it and still have like

an arm that's all fucked up or like it was bad. However, well, ironically, they were ranches as well, which really lined up with what she was saying. But that could just be a coincidence. But then I also know how they were diagnosing COVID, and especially COVID deaths during COVID. Remember when they were signing almost every type of thing, and hospitals were incentivized to be like that was a COVID death. All these old people died of COVID. Yeah, because if more people, if you could report more people died from COVID in your hospital,

you were granted more funding. Yeah. So it does kind of line up for that reason. It's like, well, it would make sense that in the 40s, diagnosing what is polio, especially if people are getting this like arsenic poisoning at the same time, or whatever was, it was arsenic poisoning at the same time, or whatever was, was it, it

was arsenic, right? Yeah. If that was what was poisoning them as well, and the signs were very similar, because every diagnosis is not the same. It's not like they have a special tool like on Star Trek. Yeah, this was back in the fucking 40s and 50s. Yeah. Where they like scan your body and it's like, oh, polio. You gotta like guess stuff. They're like, oh, your body's not working on the left side?

Probably polio. Yeah. We need to make a vaccine. And then they clean up certain things. I mean, she did say something like three, so lifespan is increased, and we often assign that to like modern medicine. Like, oh, we live way longer because of this.

And she's saying that through studies, that it's actually only 3.5% of that is attributed to modern medicine. The rest of it is like clean water, better food, we're not drinking shit water anymore. Yeah. You know, it's like people used to drink fucking puddle water not long ago. Oh yeah. That's bad. Shitting in the streets. Yeah. It's just wearing you out. It's just wearing your immune system slowly just, you know.

One of the things that I liked about her was she made an insistence a lot of times on the importance of nutrition and just general health things. I feel like a lot of medical professionals miss this a lot of times, or it's a later conversation of like, oh, you're having this and that issues.

You need to have some sort of medication or, oh, you didn't get this whatever shot or something like that. But a lot of, especially during COVID, I mean, this was incredibly obvious was the amount of time like no one was saying that during COVID of like, hey, let's, let's work on your diet or let's work on some exercise or whatever it is. There was never that conversation. It was always like, did you get the vaccine? Are you taking your whatever pills they're prescribing or whatever it is.

And I feel like a lot of the medical industry suffers from this a lot. And I felt this a lot as a kid is it's not like, hey, can we work on these problems from a behavioral side of things? Or let's look at your lifestyle or health or your diet, stuff like that. It's like, oh, there's a chemical imbalance.

We have to fix this with medicine. Yeah. There's never the discussion of how is your general health overall? Are you eating enough vegetables? Are you exercising? Are you sleeping enough? There's never that conversation.

That's a good question. And, and it was a good thing to think about because at the beginning of COVID and I don't know if, if like the younger generation, how old were you when COVID started? I just graduated high school. Jeez. So yeah. Yeah. I was 18 years old. Just in a lot of ways starting life. Right. I mean, mean that's like, oh I'm just now not being a kid. So I'd been an adult for a while and I believed in all the systems and all the processes and I felt like the government knew how to take care of us. All of a sudden this thing drops and I noticed

that we weren't getting any information like that about being healthy. I was like, but wait, you're saying it's really bad. So because we isolated, and I don't know how you had to like isolate or be, were you just at home with your parents? Funny story. I actually got kicked out of my parents' house for smoking weed, like right before we got kicked out of school for COVID. Or, yeah, literally right before we got kicked out of school for COVID.

And I was living with my best friend at the time, and then they canceled school, and then the whole pandemic like kind of shut down. But I was lucky enough because everyone wanted to go home. I was living in a college town. This was when I was in Florida and there was a bunch of like really inexpensive sublets because people just wanted to get out there. So I was able to get an apartment by myself

and I still have my job and everything, but I was basically by myself. I mean, I would hang out with my friends sometimes, but yeah, I mean, I was by myself most of the time during COVID. And the lockdown wasn't crazy in Florida, right? For the most part? Not at first. No, they were really weird about it. But in general,

I would say it was pretty loose. Like Florida got a lot of shit early on. It kind of throughout the whole pandemic of not following lockdown procedures and being pretty loose. Yeah, it turns out they all lived. It was fine. But at the time I was fully into it. I was like, are you fucking kidding me? Like, why are they throwing a company lunch at work? Like this we're gonna spread the virus. I was totally with that too. Yeah. Like I wasn't, I didn't feel like I was being ignorant to it at first. I had to battle

with that later when I got more skeptical. But at first I was like, oh we can't work. I was in LA and they were real fairly strict on... California was the worst. Well, New York might've been worse than Manhattan, but Cali was up there, right? And people took it seriously. They really did. Like literally all my friends, there was no discussion of like, fuck this, we're going to hang out. It was like, let's just stay in our places. But I'll tell you what we'll do. We're all going on Zoom. And remember when Zoom stuck, like went through the roof?

So we would do these like really great, and a lot of people out there are comedians, actors, like they're screenwriters, they're trying to do cool stuff. So they love this. It was like this area to perform almost. Oh yeah. And we would, I would set up like through the day, like, you know, whether I set them up

or other people just had them going, And we would, I would set up like through the day, like, you know, whether I set them up or other people just had them going, it was like three or four, like of these like hour long zoom meetups with all these different groups of people. It was like weirdly more social than my regular social life. So it was like a way for us all to kind of connect. And we'd be back and forth on like,

what are you doing about this? What's going on here? And people would throw ideas around and it quickly became in just that world, it was like, hey, guys, start working out. If you haven't done it, like that's one of the quickest ways to get healthy. This could be really fucking serious, get healthy.

People were talking about green juices, you know, non sugary green juices, blend them up. We could still go to the store. You have to like separate and wait in line and two people down one aisle and all that bullshit, but you could still go do it. And people were green juicing. I was watching people getting in shape. I was getting in shape.

I had this kettlebell in my front room and I worked out like a normal amount before that, you know, a few times a week amount before that you know a few times a week just you know keep your body together I mean I was 38 or 9 at the time close to that so it was like yeah you gotta work out otherwise you just fall apart but I had this kettlebell and every time I walked past it whether I went to the restroom or just had to go through my living room, I would do a kettlebell set. Oh, there you go. It started being like a hundred plus kettlebell swings a day, and I just started getting great shape.

And I was like, oh, this seems like the way and like what type of nutrients are you taking or the rest of it? However, that was not what they were saying on the news. That was not what they were saying on TV. There was nothing, no talk of that at all. Even taking vitamins, no one said shit about that. And vitamin D was a big one and that's very cheap. And zinc, yeah. And zinc, I remember. They can get you zinc and vitamin D. For the trillions that that cost the US economy, they could have sent packages of supplements and vitamins and, well, same thing, but also probably even meals to people. Oh, yeah.

You know, like low sugar, healthy meals. I mean, you know, so it isn't even like a cost thing. There was some other motivation there. And it was just the kind of like, it seemed to just throw us towards this idea that nothing else will help except isolating yourself, which is the most depressing thing a human can do. It's like the biggest punishment they give you in prison and you're already in prison.

And then take this vaccine. Then it turns out they tested on 250 people before they gave it to people. and you're already in prison. Yeah. And then take this vaccine. Then it turns out they tested on 250 people before they gave it to billions. Yeah. Well, that's the thing too with the whole vaccine one is there's like no gray area. It's like, you have to take the vaccines.

And it's crazy too. Like even just from a business perspective, like forget the fact that it's a drug. If you somehow convince everyone in the world from birth that they need to take something and it's a requirement and if you don't you'll be chastised and called an anti-vaxxer and lose your job or whatever else comes with that. Die. Yeah. Like that would be crazy. The amount of control that you have is insane to do that Yeah, I mean you could imagine a world where if that was never questioned it would be like

50 times a year you gotta go in for your Jabs, I know so many people that would go in and get their boosters all the time and they were so proud of it Yeah, yeah It's like oh, I've had a bunch of shots and they're like, how many times do you have COVID? And they're like five. And you're like, how does that work? I don't get it. Yeah. Bless them. Thank God for my closest friends that I could still talk shit to. Yeah. And get too defensive about it. I just be like, seriously. One of the things that freaked me out in it was she said in a 1984 registrar

went out to all the medical people and said this is what she said quote, any doubts whether or not well founded about the safety of the vaccination program must not be allowed to exist. So anything bad you have to say about this, we can't accept. Can't accept any pushback. It's all positive. All of it. That's not good. That's scary.

Yeah, that's really scary. Yeah. That one freaks me out. Because give me another thing that could be true about. Nothing. You know, and they do that when we go to war. Like they do, like after 9eleven. It was like everyone was pumped to like go kill someone Yes, we are real mad about those buildings. Oh, yeah

That may or may not But we are real mad so it was like who do? Who? Yeah. And they just like jumped to Iraq that didn't do it. They didn't even try to frame Iraq with it. They were just like, oh yeah, we're going there now. We're invading Iraq. Yeah. They probably had something to do with it, but we're mad anyway. So let's get someone. I mean, it just like slipped right in. And it happened so quick too. You, it was hard to be like an anti-war person then, for sure. You know, to just be like, yeah, we're not doing anything.

But this idea that other treatments can't be, like to do the Emergency Authorization Act thing, the requirements for it are that it means that nothing else works. Like the point of the emergency authorization saying there can't be anything else that works means it doesn't mean make everything that works not sound like it works. It means if- This is the last resort. that works not sound like it works. Yeah. It means- This is the last resort.

Yeah, it means if nothing else works, if we're absolutely fucked, it's basically martial law and we go. But it turns out that's not how it worked at all. All they had to do is be like, what is that, chloroquine? What's that one called? Something like chloroquine. And then...

I'm not sure. Oh, that and the horse dewormer, ivermectin. And these other ones, these peptides and some other shit that they were using, they basically just demonized them all, shut them off, made them impossible to get, you know, made Joe Rogan look like an idiot for using them. Yeah. I mean, the whole horse, the woman thing was just like, what? Yeah. I think for, at least for me, and I bet this is the same for a lot of people, the whole COVID situation, the way it was handled, the aftermath of that, all the stuff that's come out afterwards has put a lot of doubt in my mind about the medical establishment and the way that they do things and the efficacy

behind it. Like, obviously, there's no doubt that we need some sort of a medical program. Like, we can't just have a bunch of people dying. But the fact that the way that everything is set up is so... It's just set up on making money. You know, it's not about helping people. It's about how can we stronghold the industry and have our products be the only one available and we'll buy immunity and we just want to make money.

It's terrible. Yeah, we can't go back to just like rubbing garlic on our wounds. I get it. But there are elements of like the idea that modern Western medicine can't say other than like a very brief off the cuff like, well yeah, exercise and eat good, that's important. But to be like food heals you, you know, that should be like a big part of the discussion. I mean, it's kind of common sense what you put in your body is gonna have an effect on the way that you feel you know and people underestimate that a lot as well as like not only what the medical establishment is doing but a lot of when you listen to RFK and there's been a lot of other people talking about just the food industry in the US especially just how

Terrible it is for us. It is so fucking wild the RFK runs the HHS now. Like the fact that he would listen to this podcast and like agree with everything the doctor is talking about. For sure. He would be like, fuck yeah, that's true. Be like, I talked about that in my book. Right. And now he's in charge of this thing. It's-

Yeah, he's been getting some pushback from that though, hasn't he? Recently, I've heard a lot of, cause a lot of the young people who were RFK fans, like for him running for president, I know a lot of them have kind of turned. Well, yeah, I mean, he jumped over to Trump's side. Yeah.

Like that's, it's reasonable that he was gonna lose some people. Yeah. Right? But the damn... Like... Fucking Kamala wasn't gonna pull him on board. So now he's in the position he wanted to be and other than be the president. And he can make the changes that he sees fit and... You know. I mean it was a good move for what he needed to do.

I think. Yeah. But obviously it was going to upset some people. And, you know, I also support where they're at. Like, I don't think that everybody should have gone that direction. I just liked him. And to me, it like I like Tulsi. I liked him. And that kind of made me like Trump a bit more.

I got to say, because I was like well at least some people I really liked I would have voted just for him if I had voted yeah I would have I would have definitely voted for RFK and I'm hopeful like he talked a lot about banning a lot of the dyes and shit that they're putting in our food nowadays like red 40 is literally they've had tests and shown that it makes young boys more aggressive and Like I knew people I knew I had a buddy when I was living in Florida. I was in I think middle school and First couple times I hung out with this dude His mom was like hey, by the way, not a big deal, but don't give him red Gatorade and I was like oh okay why and she's like oh he becomes like

really aggressive and I was like huh whoa really really and she was like yeah we've figured out that like red this she didn't mention the die but she was like yeah red dies or like make him aggressive and she and he was a pretty chill dude like I could definitely tell that he could, he had the tendencies to become an aggressive dude, but he was chill. But yeah, his mom was like, we figured it out. Yeah. It's, it's red, red dye that does it for him.

That's what makes him more aggressive. I mean, look, I didn't think about it my entire life until I guess kind of recently when all of this shit came out. And now I actively avoid red 40 and any kind of dyes. I did buy a box pop tarts the other day though so well yeah you would have to buy junk food to have it yeah I'm not gonna buy those off-brand pop tarts it's his like ass it's good point those organic pop tarts are shit yeah yeah just don't eat pop

tarts yeah like you're a grown-up now yeah that's true and that's kind of you know childish it's baby food yeah it's like when grown-up now. Yeah, that's true. That's kind of you know childish. It's baby food Yeah, it's like when grown-ups tell me they still have cereal. I just shake my head You can't be against you. I cereal come on Dom have eggs Ebola Reese's puffs is way better meal than anything that has ever come out of a British person's kitchen way better meal than anything that has ever come out of a British person's kitchen. I'm not gonna defend that. I'm not gonna.

The big thing about RFK though, that I'm wondering is like, okay, so you got these dyes out, that's cool. But it always seems like they get to do very little. You know, it's like even, I think even Obama's wife was like, doing this health thing for a while and was like really coming out and like met all the cereal companies and met everyone and is like, yeah, we're

going to make kids healthier. And then it just ended up being like, we just got to move more. Yeah. And it turned into this like big dance that she did. And I'm like, huh. Now obviously there's a lot of pressure and a lot of money from these companies. Oh yeah. But like, RFK's kind of broken through that a little bit.

You know, he's got one of the big fast food places to do beef tallow instead of whatever shitty seed oils they had before, which is great. I can't, I think it was Shake and, Shake and something? Shake Shack? Shake Shack, yeah. I was gonna say Shake and Bake. I'm like, I think it was shaking, shaking something. Shake Shack. Shake Shack, yeah. I was gonna say Shake and Bake. I'm like, that's all right.

Yeah, Shake Shack did it, good for them. But the big ones are like, he's talked a lot about mercury and like methyl mercury in these different flu vaccines and MMR type shots that they give kids, like these being bad. Is he gonna be powerful enough to remove this? Is there a logical process for that to happen? Yeah, I hope so. There's a lot of backing by the other side though.

I mean, you have to not only go against all of the lobbyists and all of the things like that, but you have to disprove all of these things, which is incredibly hard to do. And then all of their fake studies that they've done, you somehow have to prove that those are fake. And then they have to develop ones that are actually good and all this stuff. It seems like a very, very strong uphill battle. Because yeah, the pharmaceutical industry and the medical industry, especially in the

US, is so powerful. It's so powerful. So much money. These companies have so much powerful. So much money. These companies have so much money. So much money. It was something like 75% of the advertising for like TV is pharmaceutical companies. Yeah. Like think about what that means. Yeah, it's crazy. I'm surprised that people aren't talking about how great pharmaceuticals are in like regular TV shows where they're just like,

oh yeah, you know, it's like friends and they're like, Oh, I feel great today. I have to take him on this cold medicine. Yeah. You know, it's just like, that is, but however, on the flip side, you've got, they want to give COVID shots to six month olds. Okay. So that one's a little weird. So I think the fatality risk is something like 0.01%, like in the tens of thousands. Yeah.

And then they risk myocarditis for this. And then it like fucks up stem cell stuff. And like there's some like real measurable things that are negative. Yeah. And you know, that's, that's a reasonable thing to think about. Look, I have a one year old, right?

She's going through her shot. She had some vaccines. I was gonna, I was gonna ask, but I didn't want to bring it up. How are you navigating that with her? Well, I'll tell you what. I, my wife is, she's very liberal. So she's like pro the process and her parents are like hey, you gotta have all these and

You know all this any of the Eventual schools that she's gonna go to require these things so like I do feel those pressures also I feel like the pressure that hey, I don't fucking know enough Yeah, to like I'm gonna feel like a real asshole if she gets measles. And I'm like, well, I still stick by what I believe. And then she's just like, oh my God, dad, thanks a lot. Science existed, you idiot. But there were a few adjustments I made.

I didn't want to be completely pigeonholed. They wanted to give her Hep B day one. And when this tiny little thing was presented to me, day one of being born, I was like, hold the phone. I don't think she's gonna get Hepatitis B. You tested the mother, I don't have it. Unless one of the nurses sneezes in her face or however the hell you get it.

I'm pretty sure it's like mostly intravenous drug use and like, it's not super easy to get it. Anyway, I assumed all the nurses were clean and I was like, I'm going to give her a month to like just exist and just, you know, cry herself out, do what she needs, and then maybe do that. and just cry herself out, do what she needs, and then maybe do that. So she's like kind of late on that one. I didn't do the COVID one.

I did the flu one, but not the combination. So often the combination ones have the mercury in, from what I understand. Oh, really? And yeah, we've just kind of like really spread them out. once have the mercury in, from what I understand. Oh, really? And yeah, we've just kind of like really spread them out. And you know, there was some time we were in Europe and we didn't get them then. So she's just had like extra time to kind of develop her immune system.

But also, that's my point. I'm not like totally against it, too. It's just like, I just don't know enough of it. But I think it's worth questioning. What kind of sucks about it is it's hard to get the information. Anytime you do Google it, mostly they're like, you should take them all.

This is how it works. And then you get these fringe people, like we're talking about, that are like, no, I don't think you should have any. And I know people that are like, I'm not giving my kids any, I haven't. Yeah. Their kids are alive and fine and not autistic. Yeah. So what was the reaction like? Did you get any pushback when you, uh, when they, when you said no to any of the vaccines? Was there like, uh, did they get upset at you or anything? Oh no, the doctors, I mean, maybe I didn't,

I wouldn't have paid attention. Cause I know later in life, if you don't have a lot of this stuff, it's very hard. Like I knew a kid in high school who his mom was weird. He was a weird kid too, but I guess she was like an anti-vaxxer and he didn't have his vaccines and before he went to college He got like a scholarship to Dartmouth and before he went to college

They required him to get his shots. They're like we're not gonna accept you unless you get these vaccine shots Really? So you had to go and do them. Oh, that's interesting. I remember college ever asking me for my medical records. I Remember when I applied they wanted to have, uh, proof that I had my shots. Cause I had to go in during high school. I had to go in high school. They should question. Like this guy's fucked off. Hold on. How tall is this guy? No, they were like, this guy's too smart. We need to nerf him and make him dumber

so he doesn't make a mockery of our school and get his degree in two weeks. You'd love to believe that. Yeah. Huh, okay, so they do ask for medical. Yeah, I don't, maybe they did with me, I don't remember. I wouldn't have questioned it because probably I would have already had all those things.

Maybe it just ran through So was it harder on him as an individual to have those later in life? I don't think so. I'm not friends with him anymore. I don't talk to him anymore. He was kind of a piece of shit. So But regardless Regardless I Remember him talking about that and complaining about that and I was like, I mean at the time I was like, dude, that's tough shit. Sorry your mom didn't love you.

Sorry your mom's a weird hippie. You live in the woods. You can go too far the other way as well. I mean for sure. It's hard to draw the line though. But to be fair, he lived. He still lived. He was actually, he was a really arrogant dude. And so it was really funny.

This, we did rowing in high school. That's how we got into Dartmouth, was through a rowing scholarship. And I heard once he got into Dartmouth, it's like a big party school. And so he got like really slow and gained a bunch of weight and got fat from drinking, which was hilarious because he never drank at all in high school. No way.

He was like very like PC and very like chill. He was a weirdo though. He's kind of creep too. But it was. This isn't the slag this guy off. No, fuck this dude. I've been waiting for this. Go easy.

But yeah, it was just kind kinda funny when the news came back. Everyone on the team was like, huh, he wasn't really that good. He became fat, got slow. I did notice that the friends of mine, they used to give me a hard time for either hosting or going to parties that had booze. Like, I'd have real,, like I'm never drinking.

I give myself to Jesus or maybe they weren't even religious. They were just like, I don't do that. And yeah, they try and make me feel terrible about it. And I just always would say the same thing. I'm like, bro, you're gonna grow up, get in your 20s, go to college, realize you missed out and go too hard. Yeah, that happens a lot.

You gotta realize this is just like not a big deal if you just, you know, it's not like I'm blacking out at 14. Yeah. So it's just like, hey, it's not, yeah. Obviously we're breaking some rules. People can do that. Yeah.

It's not the worst thing ever. Yeah, because there's lessons you gotta learn and drinking when you're young and everyone that has a good relationship with booze, like from kind of like the beginning of it until now didn't have like moments where they were just like really being a mess with the kids that I would say responsibly drank in a high school. Yeah. Not condoning it for the listeners out there, but also like easy with everyone that does

it as bad thing because eventually you'll be old enough to do it. And you know, there's a good chance you'll go too hard. Yeah. Cause you won't have a healthy relate. You won't understand.'s a good chance you'll go too hard. Cause you won't have a healthy relate. You won't understand. You won't know when it's too much. Yeah. A hundred percent. What did you think about the nicotine COVID connection? That was interesting. Now I don't know if it's just because I'm a bit of a zen guy that I'm always trying to look for the positives. Now I don't want to do it to the detriment.

I'm not trying to be like, yeah, smoking is good for your health. No, it's not, it's real bad. But nicotine is natural compound, right? Yeah. I guess arsenic and, you know, a bunch of terrible compounds are also natural, but it's like nicotine is a naturally

very addictive compound that seems to be fairly non-toxic and has potentially nootropic effects. It's a stimulant. Yeah. You know, there are some concerns. It's just how you put it in your body. Like the bad part about- In your mouth.

You can't go the other way. Well, no, I'm just saying like the issue is, the issue is how you get your nicotine so like the problem with smoking cigarettes is all the other carcinogens and the tar that builds up in your lungs and all like that's why smoking cigarettes isn't healthy. The nicotine doesn't cancel it out but you are right nicotine as a compound by itself is not in itself harmful. It is addictive and there are downsides but it's not going

to kill you necessarily. But it's the act of smoking cigarettes or like people who do dip you know it's like bad for your gums or whatever it is. Same thing with Zins probably a little bit. Zins are probably the, I say this like I'm a medical expert, but Zins are probably the safest form of nicotine well I'll ask you this anecdotally you do zins it do your gums fucked up no bleeding they saw no I'm pretty new to the shit though but I mean I used to smoke cigarettes we both used to smoke cigarettes and don't throw me out of bro. We used to smoke them together bitch. That was before you had your kid. Cigarette sags.

And yes, cigarettes are terrible. I could feel it. You do feel with Zins, it kind of suppresses your appetite a little bit, but not nearly as much as cigarettes. And there's no way they're carcinogenic. Yeah. I thought it was funny though in the podcast. Oh, but before we get off that, the nicotine connection is that there are receptors that nicotine binds to that COVID also would.

So if you had higher levels of nicotine in your system, even if you were like being a smoker, which is unhealthy You had better protection against covert which is like a weird irony Yeah, thank you. Just random as fuck but then at the same time a lot of well, it's hard to say a lot of people that were Dying from kovat quote-unquote were dying because they had like respiratory issues or heart failure or whatever it is and some of that does come from smoking but a lot of it was just people being out of shape and like overweight

and you know things like that but yeah I thought it was I thought it was interesting and it I have known people who smoke before and they're like yeah I never get sick and then you hear them like hack up a lung when they're smoking, you know, they never get the flu. I saw a great Instagram the other day, and it's like one of those like fake news network ones. Like it's obviously a joke, but it just so showed like scientific researcher interviewed like all these thousands of people that got over a hundred years old and

they found two two items, you know that are like What makes like how they got there and it just shows like a packet of Marlboro's and whiskey Yeah, and it's always that thing right? It's like the hundred and twenty two year old dies and they she had a cigarette every week Yeah, always had some you know wine every night The irony there is it's like well, those aren't the things that yeah, they're alive, right? Yeah, it was like a lot of other elements, but it's funny. It's funny and it's good. They interviewed this one old lady,

I think she was like 93 or something like that, and she was drinking a Dr. Pepper, and they're like, oh, Dr. Pepper? She's like, yeah, this has been keeping me alive the whole time. And then she's like, yeah, I had two doctors told me to stop, but both of them died before me. It's hard to fucking argue that, right?

Yeah. I mean, it really is. Okay, so the last thing I want to go over really with this is, and there's so much to cover in this podcast. I mean, you got to listen to it. It's like, we can't do it justice for this, but you know, the autism thing is an issue, vaccine autism related thing. it gets downplayed.

They're saying no connection. Again, I think that they're really leaning hard on any data that could potentially point to the possibility of that. They really don't want any connection. And I think that there's some propaganda in there. I think there's some covering up. I don't know if it's like huge,

but there definitely seems to be a rise in autism. It's also reasonable to assume that diagnosing it in the past was not as efficient as it is today, that type of thing. it in the past was not as efficient as it is today, that type of thing. But, you know, I am suspicious of the there is absolutely no connection thing. Yeah, because that's the one that they push back the most on. They really do. Well, because they would. Imagine, like, you don't have kids, right? And when we first met, when we first met, I didn't,

I wasn't thinking about it. But as soon as I did, and this whole thing of vaccines were like, oh, now you've gotta get this. The idea, and I don't wanna give anyone who has autistic kids shit for that. It's like, God bless you. And I know some autistic kids shit for that. It's like, God bless you. And you know, I know some autistic kids and they're beautiful, beautiful people.

But it's like, I worry so much. It's like, she's learning words, she's doing these things, she's looking at me and I'm like, ah. You know, you're always trying to minimize challenges for your kids, right? I mean, of course that's what you want. You want them to be healthy and attractive and all the things and there be whatever they are and you'll love them the same.

But the idea that it could suddenly just happen from a couple of jabs. Yeah. And you just can't possibly know all the information. It's like, just give it to us. What's the worst that could happen if you just give us all of that information? You're like, yeah, 10% of them will be autistic if they get these jabs. Also it's pretty bad when they don't get the jabs because they will get polio. So it's like, just try and give it to us straight. Let the people think for themselves.

They don't want to. I would be curious about the actual data behind that but that's always the one that like whenever you mention Anti-vax and people go down the route of oh it causes autism That's always like the flipping switch where people really push back on that and they're like no It's well established that it doesn't like there's lots of data and then this and that like I bet if you did a quick Google Search you would it would take you a long time to find some viewpoint for There's lots of data and this and that. I bet if you did a quick Google search, it would take you a long time to find some viewpoint for, you know, in the anti-vax corner, saying that, confirming it.

And maybe it's for good reason, maybe it's not true, whatever, this, that, the other, but that is always the one that people seem to fight the most against. You get the most resistance whenever you mention that one. Right. In the vaccine conversation. It's very true.

Yeah. It's very true. Well, listen, guys, go out, listen to this one. It's really good. Also, towards the end, she talked about getting kicked off YouTube for like talking about vitamin C pre-COVID, which is like what? And then she couldn't get on Twitter forever. It like kicked her off and she couldn't get back on, but she eventually got back on.

She said she lost her like 90,000 followers or whatever she had, but she's back on there. So go follow her. I looked at it today She got 50,000 overnight after being on Rogan and she's now at a hundred and seventy two thousand. That's a lot today So it's increasing and good for her get your message out there like fuck Fuck social media for like trying to block you from that

it doesn't mean that this is you know that you shouldn't get a voice and it doesn't mean that you're right about everything that you say but this is America man yeah do your own research I love it all right thanks guys thanks for having me as always pleasure talk to you guys next week