Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 440 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Gary Brecka

Episode Date: April 24, 2025

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One go enjoy the show. Hey guys and welcome to another episode of the JRE review this week we are reviewing good old Gary Bracker and We've got Nick back on from lesser known operators. What's up, buddy? What's going on, man? Happy to be back. Thank you for having me on again. Great to have you back on.

Do you have a good Easter? I did. I did. I was recording a podcast episode in my basement like the Lord intended. That's why he came back for podcasting. Is that the reason? It's that's what I heard. That's what I heard.

You can't. I got an episode in and went and saw some family in yourself. Nice. Um, I actually recorded something, but I recorded it for therapy. I had to do like a mock session. Um, so I did that late in the day and then it was East Egg Hunts with my 14 month old That had no idea what was going on, but was loving it and then yeah, just a bit of family stuff

It was nice. It was good weekend. Good weather. Good times. I like those holidays, man You know, I like to unwind and relax. Of course it is. Of course it is. Good reset. Well, talking about not unwinding, listening to Gary Brecker and trying to remember all the shit that he says. I don't know if you get this. I mean, you're a fit guy with a solid workout routine. I'm sure you've got your supplements and all the rest of it. Do you sometimes hear this stuff and go, how the hell am I gonna get a hold of whatever hydrogen and do I need to add this to my protocol? It just seems a bit overwhelming sometimes. I think I told you earlier, right? If you found yourself at any point in this interview, zoning out, it's important to

realize that maybe that segment just isn't for you. I like him. Even I at points in, in while Gary was talking when I don't know what the fuck you're talking about, Gary. Um, now, yes, my routine has taken years to get to where it is. And it's always changing, right? On new information based on the different fitness podcasts I listen to and what's working, what my goals are and things like that.

I air or push people towards the very basics of their routine. If you're not taking care of the foundation, adding all of these things, and I don't mean ... Okay. Adding most of the things Gary talks about are not going to do anything for you if you're not sleeping six to eight hours a night, if you're not eating one gram of protein per target pound of body weight, if you're not drinking enough water, if you're not eating one gram of protein per target pound of body weight, if you're not drinking enough water, if you're not taking in enough sodium, if you're not eating whole foods, and if you're not getting around 10,000

steps a day, just real basic stuff. If you're not taking care of those, adding these other items really is not going to do anything for you, not in all cases, but in most cases, you have to take care of the basics first. Now I think, and this is just my opinion, when I listen to Gary talk, I really feel like he's not full of shit. I feel like when he talks, he's trying to help. I believe that. Some people might not hear that and they might think the complete opposite, but I feel like he's trying to help. I believe that people might not hear that and they might think the complete opposite,

but I feel like he's trying to help. So whether he's, uh, whether it would work for me or it doesn't, I feel like he's really wants to help people improve their lives. Yeah. And he has a legit resume. I mean, um, that, what is it like longevity clinic that he worked at for a long time was doing really interesting work on basically what kills you and he has data for it. And I've also seen plenty of people online, whether they're doctors or other, you know,

science nutritionist people that kind of shit on some of his ideas and Say oh, yeah, that's BS and all the rest of it. But Honestly, I'm inclined to believe him, you know in the same way that I am to believe Dr. Rhonda Patrick when she used to come on Just just the way that they lay the information out, I'm like, yeah, there's something to this. They've looked at this. They've studied it. They've read research on it. I trust their process. It doesn't mean they're going to be right every time. I mean, what Gary's working

on, if you think about it with like the hydrogen stuff and some of the other things he was talking about, it's kind of like brand new fringe science. So we don't have all the data to know if it works, but it's pointing him in the right direction and it's definitely worth a listen. A hundred years ago, we were sticking fucking leeches on people. And now we're studies coming out all the time about how to improve this thing or the effects of this on this and your sleep and all kinds of shit. The shit's changing all the time about how to improve this thing or the effects of this on this and your sleep and all kinds of shit, the shit's changing all

the time. Yeah. We were seeing things progress at such a rapid rate that people like Gary are able to come into the limelight and say, Hey, look at all this shit. Because I talked to a doctor on my show who does hormone replacement therapy for veterans, primarily special operations guys. And he said the medical establishment with irrefutable proof. That something works takes 12 years to adjust their thinking on average 12

years to adjust their thinking to on average 12 years to adjust their thinking to what the new date or that data suggests. Wow. So, and this is coming from a doctor. That's a long time. Yeah. Now we have social media, people like Gary and other influencers or whoever come up with these things and they're able to get out in front of the thing.

Where if you're a doctor and you haven't learned this stuff and it's outside of your purview, you might, one, you're not going to understand it. And two, you're not going to prescribe it unless you know it and you don't have time to go learn that shit. So that's not going to be in your practice. So, but I think for some, I think for some people that's, you know, too little, too late. They don't have 12 years.

12, a lot of bad things can happen in 12 years without the right information. So, you know, and this is why I like those modalities that he likes to add, like cold plunge, let's say it does nothing. Well, it doesn't hurt you. And I think it probably builds up your mental strength. Because it's a pretty uncomfortable thing to do. You know? So it's not like he's adding, you know, brand new information

that leads him to be like, you need to take this pharmaceutical medication that probably gives you anal leakage. It's like he's saying add in a bath bomb or get more sunlight or red light therapy. It's like things that are, that if they are doing not that much, it's not a big deal. Yeah, it's when people see the sticker shock

of some of those things where they go, Oh, he's recommending me $168,000 red light bed. No, you know, he does take it down to the smallest level of what you can do if you don't have this level or this level, this level of funds, which I like the cold plunge. Yeah. And if you go to the cold plunge, right? All right. Think about movies or, um, TV shows where from back in the seventies, eighties and nineties, where you were in the locker room. Right. And there was a trough full of water and ice. That shit wouldn't be there unless they were using it. And it wouldn't be, they wouldn't be using it in real life. If didn't work. Now it's just become mainstream.

The people like, Oh, we can sell these and it's a marketable business. Some people don't believe in it. Well, they knew it was working 60 years ago when guys are playing football and then recovering, they're able to recover faster by they're getting in ice and helping that circulation recover in their muscles and things like that. It's just all now being put out into the forefront, into this social media sphere. And it's getting likes and subscribes and shares and all that. Yeah.

And also, yeah, those, those cool outside, you know, Joe Rogan style, cold plunges are like $5,000, but you know what? In the winter here in Bozeman, Montana, if you just turn on the cold water in the bath and fill it up, I took the temperature of it this winter and it was 55 degrees. Now that's not a 35 degree cold plunge, but it's still pretty freaking cold. And if you get in there for 10 minutes, you know, like it's doing the job and that costs nothing. This podcast is brought to you by HIMS Men. If ED is getting you down,

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See website for details restrictions and Important safety information prices vary based on product and subscription plan so there certainly are ways if you want to hack for red light therapy, which I Do think is very good for you because I have a bit of like an eczema Issues sometimes and I'm very white so I can't use like tanning beds or even really go in the Sun all that much like I just I don't tan it's not gonna work so I have to be careful with that like kind of exposure just very gingery British thing yeah exactly but Planet Fitness which is like

one of the cheapest gyms you can join, has red light therapy in there that you can use. Red light only beds and those gyms are almost everywhere and it's 25 bucks a month. So if you, all I'm saying is if there were certain things that you're like, oh Gary said this I'm really interested in it, you can probably get a lot of them for less than 50, 60 bucks a month, which is not a huge investment. Ways around it. Yeah.

I did want to bring up like one point. Did you catch anywhere in the episode? And I was disappointed. I didn't hear this. If I, if it wasn't there, I'm sorry. I missed it. Did they talk about alcohol consumption at all? Not really.

Joe recently has quit, which is a big change, but he brought that up on the, um, Ron white podcast. Um, I thought Gary Brack would be a great person for him to talk about this. He's talked about it before on other shows that he's done and you know he comes to the same conclusion as a lot of these guys right now it's just all around bad there's there's no positives left for it well there's a there's a point of diminishing returns right you're going to continue aging. Drinking is going to remain the same level of fun when you're doing it, but your ability

to recover from that will sink. And then when they cross, that's where you're going to be like, okay, I need to make a decision. It's a good point. That's going to be at 30, 35, 40. There's some social aspects up to it of letting off steam and connecting with people and being with friends, that community. There are benefits in that sense, but recovery wise, and I go back to what Gary says, everything that he says, if you were drinking, you are just fighting against that drinking, that

recovery, and these things are not going to do anything. Everything that he is telling you is not going to help because you cannot overcome having more than two drinks a week or something like that is what Huberman said. Yeah. The negative is really started two drinks a week, not one, not two drinks a day, drinks a week. So if you're doing that and if you're pushing that envelope at all and don't get me wrong, everybody should be able to go drink and get as wasted as they want. drinks a week. So if you're doing that, and if you're pushing that envelope at all, and

don't get me wrong, everybody should be able to go drink and get as wasted as they want. I think you should be able to have all the freedoms and everything. I'm not telling you to do anything. But if you're looking at recovery and health and longevity, that is the biggest self-sabotage that people, and not just Americans, all humans do is continuing to drink when they get off for the day because they want to relax a little bit. And you have this such this mountain to climb the next day to get back. And it's just an up down, up down all week long. And then on the weekend, you get hammered and that's all for nothing. Right. It's it's so true. And look, you know, I still drink every now and again. I'm having a beer right now. It's a podcast. Let's go. But you know, it's, and I didn't think that

was judgmental at all. And I agree with you completely. What's important is we have that information, right? Because the more information you have, the better it is, and the easier it is, not to ignore what you're doing to yourself. Even if it is really appealing, but you can just say, wait a second, maybe my goals don't align with this other thing that I'm doing to, quote unquote, relax or feel better about my day. I see you're wearing something on your wrist. Do you have a whoop strap? What is that? I do have a whoop strap.

If you want some real world data about, so I got this after I had stopped drinking, but my wife got the same one and we did a test. She's seven days with no alcohol. And then on like on Friday or Saturday, she had two or three drinks. And it was a green line down to a fucking canyon red 0% recovery after two drinks that next day. Yeah.

That's why I brought it up. It's completely undeniable. Like it stares me in the face. Every single metric that it records plummets. I mean it plummets. I mean, it plummets. It's like 80% worse across your HRV, which is your heart rate variability, which is usually an indicator of like sympathetic parasympathetic nervous system.

Like are you relaxed? Are you in flight flight? That kind of thing. Your resting heart rate, the sleep, and kind of thing. Your resting heart rate, the sleep and kind of all the metrics, like you don't do as much deep sleep, your REM sleep is a disaster, and you are correct. It starts to happen almost after one drink. Like it's amazing, the negative effect of it. And okay, another one for people like I'm not going to go pay for a subscription on another band that doesn't tell time.

If you have an Apple watch, it does the same thing. Right. And you are, most of you are already wearing Apple watches. You can look at the settings on there and look as well, but I'll go into workouts and I mean, go from a hunt. I'm recovered. I got a great night's sleep. I'm energized. Recovery is at great night's sleep. I'm energized.

Recovery is at 95, 96, 97%. Right. And I'll go work out and absolutely destroy myself. And I can't do what one drink or two drinks can do on my wife's to her on the recovery. I can't even get close to that. And that's absolutely destroying my body. Yeah.

Now I'm doing everything to build it back up, but it's incomparable. So that's one thing to take into account. I am not telling anybody how to live, but if your goals are fitness and longevity, alcohol is not your friend. Yeah, and you know, I'm doing therapy now. I see clients and I would say that if you're not feeling good, you know, if you're just noticing, you're not feeling good. One of the quickest ways to fix that is to reduce or cut out alcohol. If things are going great and you have a few beers every now and again, and, and you're into it and maybe you're younger and you have quite a few drinks with

your buddies on the weekends or all for that. Do your thing. Like I love that too. And people should have a good time, but it's when it starts to, when you're not feeling good, when your body is not feeling good and you're doing a lot of it. It's just important to know this type of information. I think, and again, you don't need a whoop strap this type of information I think and again you don't need a whoop strap subscription which is I think like 200 bucks a year now maybe

more I bought a $40 smartwatch little skinny one that's real basic off Amazon connects to my Android phone and it takes almost all the same readings. So you can monitor it for a one time payment. But what's interesting is our mutual friend, Aaron, shout out to Aaron Blaine. He's having, he's encouraging me to do the 75 hard May 5th. So he's doing it and he's like, look, too. So of course no drinking, I'm gonna clean up my diet and you know more workouts than I usually do and I'll

report back after that on the next pod that we do together and take a look at my metrics you know all those levels and just be like let's see where they're at and I mean we know where they're gonna, but it's really nice to have those different measurements just to remind yourself, is it worth it? I like that 75 Heart is as long as it is because it's not one of those 30 day challenges. At least it's two and a half months where you start getting into forming a habit and yes, you're going to improve. Um, that, that thing's not, it's a great jump starter. If you're listening at home to try and get yourself out of a pattern that you

don't like and get yourself into a new one. Um, it wouldn't be any change for me. And I would actually put me into overtratraining if I did 75 hard because I'm trying to pull back the reins on my working out to get to a higher fitness goal. I'm having to work out less, which may sound counterintuitive, but the recovery for me is where it's at, not in the working out. But I really, everyone I've talked to that's done it has loved it and make sure you take your progress pictures. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. And you know, like you said, you've been honing in your diet and workout and routine for some time. This podcast is brought to you by DraftKings Casino. The great rewards hunt is on. So join the adventure with DraftKings Casino. For fun seekers,

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got a feeling I'm going to get to the end of this and be like, right, I'll probably call you and be like, what's the next step? How do I, how do I go beyond this? Because feeling good can be addictive. Fuck. Right? Can. Um, I, I wish for everyone listening to this, that you get to a point where you are satisfied with how you

look and how you feel because it's amazing. And it doesn't happen overnight and it takes a lot of work and discipline. And going back to Gary, right? Some people get frustrated when they implement some of the things that he says and then they don't work, but they haven't done the other stuff that needs to be done before that. So then they'll say, Oh, this is rubbish, right? It takes dedication, it takes discipline to get yourself in a position where you're like, Yes, I am happy in where I'm at. I feel good, I'm happy to wake up. It's also important to remember, you're not gonna have great days all the time. You're going to have bad days no matter how good you feel. It's just, you need to push through that and get back into your circle or your community

or your gym or whatever makes you feel good and keep you on the right track. Yeah, it seems like the big part of this is like, yeah, like you said, look, life's coming at you no matter what, but the better shape you're in, the better sleep you've had, the more resilience you have for life because you've trained towards it. I wouldn't say the easier it is to tackle the problems that life throws at you, but I guess that is true. The easier they are.

You can take more of them. You can take more on. You can challenge yourself more. I mean, you know, you're not running an Iron Man when you're an alcoholic. It's too difficult. Maybe a few people could do it, but not many. It's like you've got that crutch and if you start to take those away, the more you take away, the more you can achieve and push yourself and you don't need all the knowledge in the world. We can't be expected to be experts

in everything, but it's nice to be able to outsource it to people that, you know, through time, you start to trust. And I definitely throw Gary in that category. That's why it's a little confusing what he was saying about like cholesterol, good cholesterol, bad cholesterol, then medication for cholesterol. I mean, you go to a doctor and you have high cholesterol,

they either want to put you on medication or they tell you to change your diet. And even Gary and Joe were like, well, I just eat a ton of meat and I have normal cholesterol. And, you know, I don't know what to believe there. I've done carnivore. And I've taken my blood work after being on it for six months. Blood work was fine. No shit. No, no problems.

My doctor was amazed. But she had never seen that before had somebody do it. Cholesterol was fine. LDL and HDL were both fine. Um, I do a little bit of a hybrid now cause I do, but 95% of my diet is beef, milk and rice and that's it. And you do a lot of eggs meals. No, I'm too lazy.

Just stakes. Well, eggs, eggs were on a spike and then they were up and down for a while. So I just get milk. It's nice and consistent. Price doesn't change. I get it. And how much rice and how do you reincorporate the rice into? Oh, just with the ground beef, two pounds of ground beef and two cups of uncooked rice.

And that would get me some days. I would eat just that. So two pounds of ground beef and two cups of uncooked rice. And that would get me, if some days I would eat just that. So two pounds of ground beef and two cups of rice. That's all I would have throughout the day. I would have a protein shake in the morning before the gym or something like that. But, um, and then I would eat that and that would be my calories. But that carnivore diet is not going to work for everybody. One, it gets old and you have to be kind of,

you have to be really committed to the life. Yeah. Now, if you have health problems like Jordan Peterson and his daughter, Michaela, where that restrictive diet had so many health benefits that the opposite or doing a different way would be was not untenable, then you're gonna stick to it because the not being on it,

you just can't handle that. So there's benefits there, but for most people, you're not gonna be able to do that. You do a hybrid of it because you get high protein. Protein is the house, That's your body, right? And if you're not getting enough protein, then your body's not able to recover and to build muscle and to be ready to do other things. So I've done it.

I think a healthier, more stable version of carnivore is a hybrid where you have some vegetables and you have some carbs in there and you settle on what's right for you but if you do have a doctor that'll work with you make little changes here and there and check your blood work and see where it's at but I'm no doctor and neither is Gary but I do agree with him that if you have high cholesterol and nothing wrong with you then there's nothing wrong with you. Right. Have you gone- That's not based on any steps for me though. I don't like, yeah, I just, I probably feel that way because being on some of

these medicines can't be good for you. Well, we know it's not. And also, you know, it's not just anecdotal when you do it yourself. It has to actually be more valid than the entire medical community telling you to do it. Because you get to feel it. You get to feel the changes and the differences. But it is interesting that you added the rice back in because I've heard just from looking at things about carnival that if you lift heavy, it's hard to keep the energy for like the big lifts.

I, it, yeah, it does provide some more energy. It keeps me fuller longer, um, with a, cause carnivore is a ketogenic diet, right? So you just, you're just burning all the time. You'll shed some body fat and not all the time, but primarily own primarily a male diet plan. Right. Um, there's some things with the hormone and women's cycles that don't line up with doing carnivore where can't, can be not as helpful.

So it fits more into a male lifestyle. If you wanna shred me on that in the comments, that's fine too. That's just what I've heard from other podcasts that women doctors, female doctors. I've heard that too. But the women that do find that it works really good, like Jordan Peterson's daughter,

it's people that do suffer from specific autoimmune problems that kind of box them in to being like okay a lot of the foods that I eat cause these inflammations, these discomforts, this pain, this acne, you know possibly even hormone or imbalances and it helps them out. And now it's not to say if you have autoimmune that you shouldn't try other things and even things that doctors recommend. Of course, you should try it all because who knows what will help.

But it's definitely worth throwing it in the mix, I think. And like you said with Jordan, he had a bunch of autoimmune. So to him, even though it's super restrictive, kind of boring and you got to be a bit of a weirdo when you go out to eat, I guess it's worth it because what's the alternative for him feeling like shit? So like, that's no good. Once you see the way and like the clouds part and you start getting into, there's no alternatives. Once you find what works for you, you go, oh, this is the way, just like Mandalorian

says, right? You're not going to divert. And it takes time. And the important thing, especially with the gym or health, right? If what you're doing right now isn't working for you is, and that's the key thing, isn't working for you is changing, going to hurt anything. Go try something else. If it's not working, go try something else.

Right. And if that doesn't work either, you can go back to what you're comfortable with. But if you want different results and you keep doing the same thing that isn't working, then you're just going to, you're just going to be the same. You're not going to get any stronger. You're not getting any fitter. You're not going to lose any weight. You're not going to see any progress towards the goal that you have set for yourself.

Yeah. And you know, he even brings up like kind of the environmental toxins that lead to like autoimmune. So it's like gut health connection things. What did he talk about his daughter's apartment had mold, heavy metals in the diet, mycotoxins, parasites. I mean, I, it starts to get a bit, a bit like hypochondriac after a time. I'm like, I don't know how many people have parasites, but maybe. But also these things where you're

like cleaning up your diet. I know when you get into ketosis that there's a bunch of different benefits, you know, they're even pointing to the fact that in ketosis a lot of cancers struggle to grow because they're like glucose, high glucose dependent. And it just gives you this like reset, this chance to just like clean some things out and allow your body, like I think when your body is running well and clean and you know, not being poisoned by alcohol or just like other stresses that we put it under whether you're a smoker or whether you stay up late like there's a lot of stresses right. Then it gives it a chance to clean most of

the shit out on its own. The body's kind of good at doing that. I mean, fasting does that. What's that thing called? Autophagy? Yeah, just giving it a break and cleaning it out is like very useful as well. Getting the correct amount of sleep is like a hidden wonder drug, which is tough for most people to do with their lifestyles, kids, family schedule, travel to work back and forth and all this stuff. But sleep, if you're not getting enough sleep, it's tough to build off of that one. Cause then you're again, you're fighting against your body's ability to recover. Where I started to get a little, you know, and I don't, I think Gary had alluded to this, is he has all the money, and has all the knowledge, and information, and wherewithal to take all the steps to not have these toxins or whatever come into his body, right? He has all this. And then he takes a

test, and he's got all this shit in his blood. So if this guy that has all the information and the ability to avoid these things isn't able to avoid it, what hope does that leave for us? That's a good point. That is a good point. I mean, what you could do is look at some uniquely specific things that he's doing that maybe other people aren't. And I mean, since he's kind of in that influencer realm, he's probably flying a lot, traveling a lot. That's really hard on the system.

You know, so even though he can do all these healthy things, there might be some pretty unhealthy things that just are circumstance to his current situation that could be avoidable. But it is a good question. And they say this also about these fucking micro plastics. Good luck. You can't get that out of you. Like I haven't heard any way to get that out of your system.

And supposedly we're eating like a credit cards worth of plastic a week. Oh, I love it. Love to hear it. It's so depressing. a credit card's worth of plastic a week. Oh, I love it. Love to hear it. It's so depressing. Pile it on there. Yeah, what? It's unfortunate, right?

There's such negative bias in the news, and they'll throw this information out there. Oh, you're eating this much microplastics and it's going to your brain every week. And then and then you get to the bottom of the article and you go, Hey, is there a, hey, is there a solution in there for this? Hey, hello. Can you give me the rest of the information here?

Oh, yeah, we don't have that. No, I guess you're just fucked. Well, fuck. Yeah, it just gives you 14 clickbait articles about Paris Hilton. And you're like, oh, that's what I should move on to after this. Give me a solution. Yeah. Some of these things we can't avoid.

Like there's because plastics solves so many problems. It's an unfathomable amount of problems in the world, right? With containers and transporting and everything. So many things I wouldn't even know. Everything in medical, all this stuff that's in plastics and everything. Look around your house that's made of plastic. All this stuff that's made of plastic. Your cars are made of plastic now, right?

Yeah. Well, you know that air freshener, new car smell? Remember that one? Yeah. Yeah, of course. Everyone knows it. It's actually one of the better air freshener smells. It's mimicking off-gassing of formaldehyde, which is a gas that comes out of plastics after it heats up. And that's that's what the new car smell is. Now, those air fresheners aren't made of formaldehyde, but they mimic the smell. And I'm sure whatever chemicals they put in there are not all that much better.

But yeah, we've we've been breathing this shit in for our whole lives. And in fact, I was at the grocery store this morning and I was thinking the grocery store this morning and I was thinking of this, cause we had the pod coming and I looked around and I was like, all right, I need to get some stuff for breakfast. I'm gonna make breakfast at home.

And I was like, I wonder if I can buy my breakfast from this store that isn't touching plastic or some sort of plastic. And really all you had is fruits and vegetables because they're open in the things, all the meat is covered in wrap, you know, on top of some styrofoam little tray. So there's no way that doesn't have plastic in it. It must have some. And then I'm like, well, I can't just have like fruits and veggies for breakfast. I guess I could. But everything was covered in plastic,

which I think I knew, but I just hadn't seen it in such like direct kind of relationship to what I was trying to do. I was like, this is disturbing. I don't know. Supposedly there's a difference between cold plastic and then heating up plastic as well. Like don't microwave your food. Definitely true, definitely true. In a plastic container. But I've been at work and I've had that in my head

and looking at the plastic container with my food in it and going, ah, what's one more time? I'm already, you know. And then you just throw it in the microwave and you microwave it again and you go, ah, what's one more time? I'm already, you know, and then you just throw it in the microwave and you microwave it again and you go, ah, maybe this is the one that'll kill me. Yeah. But the problem is it's slow. It's accumulative. This is again back to the alcohol thing. This is why the knowledge is important.

It's you're going to be faced with it. It's going to happen. But the other day I was getting my oil changed and you know, they often have a coffee thing in the, in the oil change place. And they're those little styrofoam cups, which we've all used for coffee in the past, I'm sure. But this time around, I was like, as much as I want coffee right now, I don't think I want to put a hot liquid in that little cup.

Like I'm not trying to be you know the Super hippie that doesn't use plastic straws anymore I'm not that guy But I just wanted to take a second with what I've been hearing and be like I think I'm gonna cut that food on that out It seems like the worst type of plasticky crap that I could be around and I'll do my best to kind of slowly work other stuff out of my diet the worst type of plasticky crap that I could be around. And I'll do my best to kind of slowly work other stuff out of my diet. It could be little steps, right?

Like I said earlier, you get adjust little things at a time, otherwise you're gonna fail if you try to adjust everything all at the same time. Yeah. Try and change everything, you're not gonna stick to it. So, all right, I'm not gonna take the coffee out of the plastic death container anymore. So that's a good first step. Yeah, we're slowly getting there.

Talking about changes that can be made. I know Gary's working with RFK Jr., which I love, and you know, closer with the Trump administration, which again, you know, all the haters that were always going to hate him, I get it. But also isn't it ironic that potentially the greatest non-corporate, pharmaceutical health changes we've made has come under Donald Trump joining forces with RFK. I mean, banning certain dyes that Europe and other countries have already banned, forcing companies, or not forcing them, but really encouraging them to stop using seed oils, which are pretty rancid and gross, according to Gary.

pretty rancid and gross according to Gary. You know, I'm curious to get your thoughts on like, how far do you think RFK can get in the time that he has? Realistically? That won't be undone later? It's, I draw it to that it's actually it's sad that this is even a debate If the government Lives up to its name. It's there to protect its citizens, right? Health of its citizens should not be a debate

There should this shouldn't be one side or the other. People should be, be going, No, tell us the truth. It shouldn't be open to interpretation. But unfortunately, everything in this arena is because somebody's paying somebody, it's somebody profits off of somebody being healthy or sick, and not right in the middle, not just, you know, that because being healthy will cost something and being sick will cost even more. So just but a normal person that just goes about their lives and doesn't ever get sick or anything like that, or doesn't ever be healthy, that's not going to make you any money. So people are going to profit either way. And they're going to profit more if they're sick in the hospitals and things like that. But it shouldn't be open for debate.

It should be. Yes, this is what's best to make people healthy. Now we got demographics, we got geographics, all that fall into there and how to help everybody else out. Well, we have medical propaganda. Yeah, you can advertise for medical here in the United States. I would just say it's unfortunate. And no matter what you think about Bobby Kennedy, right, I.

Didn't know anything about him until he came on Rogan, and I just listened to him. And he just like Gary, you know, all politicians are full of shit, right? Yeah. I just feel like he's not as full of shit as some of the other ones, no matter what your political affiliation is. Agreed. Feel the things that he says.

He sounds genuine. If you choose to believe that or not, um, it, that's up to you. And that's, you're right. I'm not going to debate with you one way or the other. But if you put them side by side with other politicians or with different track record in the same field and when they talk, I'm like, this person sounds like they're full of shit. So I just, I feel like he's, he's actually trying to help,

where instead of pretending to act like he's trying to help. And there is a difference, like, hey, if he's wrong, I trust him enough to have tried his best. And he probably came up with a more insightful and knowledge-based conclusion than I could have done on my own with the same intention. Here, all right. Let's say they're all corrupt, right? than I could have done on my own with the same intention. Here. All right.

Let's, let's say they're all corrupt, right? Let's say they're all corrupt and they're, they're all out for only for themselves. I'm going to take the one that's corrupt and out for themselves that wants me to be healthy over the one that's corrupt and out for themselves that wants me to be sick. That's a great way of putting it. Yes. That's so good. In fact, I watched it not to bang on about the left, but this is my example.

I watched a clip with Elizabeth Warren earlier today on a very left wing podcast. And the, and the left wing guy doing the podcast was like, you said right before. Basically everyone said that Biden was being competent and can do his job, that he had all his faculties and was nailing it. And she was like, that's what I saw. I did meetings with him and that's, and even he was like, come on. We've been, and she basically like snickered a few times because she knew she was caught in a lie. It's so obvious to watch when somebody is like straight up lying and they're cornered. And if you're willing to do that, even like you said, even if you're all out for yourself, it's like, I can't trust that you're all out for yourself and you're a liar.

I don't feel like RFK is. even if he doesn't get everything right. Let's say some of his stances on vaccines are like not quite there, you know, but he's asking questions and he's brave enough to do it. And he's taking them on. And you know what? When they get that defensive with him, that to me is a bit of a red flag. There might be something there that he could find. Isn't it amazing that contrary to, you know, politicians saying, well, this is what I saw

and this is what my experiences were. And everybody knows they're full of shit. They would garner so much respect if they would just say, yeah, I was fucking lying. People would go, respect. I respect that. You know, I had to support your party and I had to support the party at the time. And that's what we were doing to uphold the image. People would go, oh, okay, at least you guys have a unified front instead of just continuing to lie to people when they know you're when they know you're full of shit I completely agree and you know you know so I think there's two things going on here number one no one has ever done that in politics that hasn't immediately like retired or given up their position like

because of shame. So there's something they know that we don't and I think it might be as simple as if you're that honest in politics even if everyone goes that's cool we respect it they bring it up all the time every time you make another point and you never recover from it because I think it's that ugly of a world potentially. Now, if more people did it consistently, we could change the whole game. And then it becomes this honest dialogue where people take accountability for fucking up.

But the last time I heard it that had any weight at all came from the honestly the last person that I would ever expect to do it. And it was Donald Trump on Rogan. And it was when Rogan was asking him about how he picks his cabinet. And basically Trump said, look, there's so many positions to fill. There's so many positions to fill, there's so many jobs and you know I have to outsource some of it and I didn't know that part of the political world as well as I would like to and I didn't get

all the people that I would have liked to have got that were good. I really think that it was very humble of him to do that, especially with his style in general. And he's what I like about it is he was like this time around, I'm going to get better people. And I have to say he's done it like obviously, Hegseth has been fucking up a little bit on signal. Bless him. Somebody should probably take his phone for a couple of days. But there's a lot of great people in this cabinet I would have never expected to be in there. Tulsi, yeah, RFK we're talking about.

It's like, he's doing a better job at picking it. And you don't hear that from most politicians. You're right, you can't because everything's recorded now, right? Everything is on a loop for all eternity. Yeah. You know, a hundred and 120 years ago, presidential candidates used to ride around on the back of it on the caboose of the train and give speeches stood on the on the trail train tracks for three hours about what they were going to do.

And now, you know, they can tweet about what they think about this obscure news event and it'll be made into a meme in half a second and then around the world eight, eight times, um, before anybody has a chance to even get a thought about it. Yeah. Do you ever think about that now that you've been podcasting? That there's a chance your great, great, great grandkids could listen to hundreds of hours of you talking. And I don't know about you, but I'm like, I'm a bit of a history guy buff. I love it.

I love reading about it. It like helps me understand kind of the structure of all things. I'm a bit of a history guy buff. I love it. I love reading about it. It like helps me understand kind of the structure of all things. And then it does make me think of like, how cool would it have been to like know about your great-great-grandfather? Or just like people in the past that were like directly connected to you. I would love to listen to like my grandfather's grandfather talk about something. I would love to listen to my, yes, when they were my age, hear what they had to say when they were

my age, especially the ones that served in the military, right? And when we were going through and at the same time and what they thought about things. I don't think about that per se. I think about, so mine, interviewing special operations veterans, and then I've got some leeway either way because it's my show and I get to pick who's cool. I think about the person that's inspired by that episode possibly to join. Then that person goes on to do, get the Medal of Honor or something, or something unbelievably crazy.

When wait around down the road, they're like, what happened? Well, I was inspired by this person I heard on this show, or you're talking about generations down the line. I think about something like that. Because my show is all about the guest and trying to get their story out. And hopefully, if I can pull their story out of them, and it inspires somebody else to go do some cool shit like they did, and better their lives and

for a better experience and just do their own cool shit. Cause we're all capable of doing some really unbelievable things, but you have to want to. And if it makes people want to, that's what I think about. Yeah. And what's nice about a lot of the conversations that you have is that they are timeless, right? Because they're kind of like the philosophy of the motivations, the experience, the fallout of it, you know,

the impact, why they got into it, what led them to this point. And that kind of thinking, it's almost similar to like reading Marcus Aurelius' stuff. That's 2000 years old, but it's like exactly perfect for people to listen to today because it's like the human experience and To you know like I'm saying for for people In the future to be able to just kind of listen to this different time in this different Perspective and be like holy shit. They had it then like why can't we still figure this out? It's pretty cool It is and I really appreciate the Marcus Aurelius

Comparison and it's funny because I was looking up the quote Today's our soul is colored by the thought by the Our thoughts or I messed it up now, but I was looking up a Marcus Aurelius quote today. He's so good I messed it up now, but I was looking up a Marcus Aurelius quote today. Dude, he's so good. And, you know, I asked my buddy, he said, ask me any question. It's like, what do you see when you close your eyes? And it sounds like just a throw away question, right? But I know, you know, when I close my eyes, I see the stuff I'm trying to do physically

and with my health and things like that. And it all relates to what we're talking about, like Gary Brecker and these things. I have some fitness goals and some life goals I'm trying to do. And when I close my eyes, I can see them. And you can envision yourself doing something. You're more likely to do it. 100 percent, man. That's why I never knocked those ladies that love those vision boards.

Never I never did. Like when I first heard of them, I was like, I've never made one. But I'm not even opposed to it. I think it's great to have a snapshot of what your life could be. A guiding point to where you would like to go. I think, you know, just like you're saying, you close your eyes and see it. It's like, everyone needs that destination. Otherwise, where are you going? You're aimlessly wandering the map. And I think things like Gary Brecker's stuff does that too.

It's like the more you hear, the more you know. Look, it's easy to eat seed oils all day long. I mean, everything. But when you hear him talk about having hexane in it, sodium hydroxide, a bunch of other chemicals and they squish it down and then it stinks and then that's carcinogenic and then they put it on your French

fries, you're like, you know what, maybe I'm just going to have a steak tonight. I was talking with my wife about that and she goes, she goes, what do you think about this? I said everything in moderation, right? Yeah, have a little bit.

It is it unavoidable? Kinda it's kind of unavoidable. I, cause I've taken it almost completely out of my diet, but if I, you know, go have some, is it going to kill me? No. And Gary said that he goes, you know, he kind of tried to get away from the dosage creates the poison or whatnot, right? If you have enough over time, it's still going to kill you.

Well, everything in moderation. Because when you, all right, we have Gary, right? Then there's other influencers that are actual medical doctors that are studying the stuff in the field that say the complete opposite of what he says. It is true. They do.

On the internet long enough, you're going to find opposing views from very high up personas, people that are very accomplished and they're fucking diametrically opposed on the same issue. So then you get to, well, who the fuck do I believe then? Yeah. But, but I think it's, I think to your point, it's like, that's where moderation is useful because in a sense, let's follow Gary Brecker with moderation. Let's follow all the people we trust with moderation.

Like just a little bit of each of it. Take on a little bit. You don't have to become the disciple. You're not joining a cult that usually leads you to something a bit extreme. It's nice to be aware of stuff. I have seen medical doctors and researchers cite over and over again that seed oil, peer reviewed studies, reduce inflammation, they don't have these harmful effects, like, etc, etc.

But, you know, it's, You pick your poisons, I guess. I mean, look, at the end of the day, Gary Brekker didn't even know what smelling salts were. Joe got him out and true to Joe's beautiful peer pressure, which he is excellent at once he gets going. And there we go. All of a sudden, Gary sniffing ammonia, live on the air.

And it's like, yeah, probably if he did that all day, every day, that would fuck him up too. But he tried it once. It's all right. It was some funny peer pressure. It was great. I was like, yeah, he's definitely gonna do it because it's Rogan's show. Of. Cause well, he brought it up too.

He was asking for it. Yeah. He definitely asked for it. But if you've ever had the chance at home, they have some smelling salts. Uh, that's a, it is painful. Yep. There you go. Yep.

We always have some of the stew. Always in honor of, uh, in honor of Rogan. And you know what is hilarious? It's exactly what Rogan said when he said oh we have him in the green room at the comedy store the different people that i produce that come in and do other podcasting shows they're all addicted to them they get in they don't they won't even start a podcast without having a good sniff and I'm like whoops. Okay. And I heard this from another comedian the other day. What do you want? You know, addicted might be the wrong word, you know, you know, cause I heard this comedian, he said, you know,

okay, I get it, you're addicted to the gym, but have you ever missed three days of work because you're deep in a workout, you know? Or have you had to sell your toaster to pay for your pay for your workout? If you have a sucked a dick for your workout, that's a good point. It's all relative, right? Bench press. I know.

Just let me in one more set. I just need to do 10 more reps. I'll do anything. Yeah. Well, there are levels to this. You're right. They're me in one more set. I just need to do 10 more reps. I'll do anything. Yeah, well, there are levels to this. You're right. They're not that addicted to it. But anyway, it was a great podcast. I love, I love hearing these things, having these guys just come back on.

And you know, Gary's changing over time too, from the first time that he's been on, he's focusing on different things now and laying out different protocols. And the more of those types of people that Rogan has on, and again, with moderation, you pick and choose the elements that you can afford, that make sense to you, that you can try, especially if you don't feel good, at least then you have options, right? If you

do the same thing, you're gonna feel the same way. But if you're hearing some different things and you're like, I could probably add this, if it's not gonna hurt you give it a shot and see how you feel and mix it up. But anyway, back to what Nick was saying, get better sleep. That's number one. I'm pretty sure that's number one. I like it. Thanks a lot Nick as always appreciate it and We'll talk to you guys next week