Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 443 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Dr. Hal Puthoff

Episode Date: May 7, 2025

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Hey folks, and welcome back to the Joe Rogan Experience Review. Um, my co-host this week is Nick from Lesser Known Operators. What's going on, buddy? Adam, let's get fucking weird. This is the one. This is the one. This is the review of 2314 Dr. Hal Puthoff. Puthoff? I was not put off. The doctor.

The doc. Hal. Yeah, so he's a Stanford PhD physicist, CIA Stargate Project alum, UFO researcher, Earth Tech International founder. And yeah, he gets into remote viewing, UFOs, quantum physics, crash retrievals, I mean, everything up Joe Rogan's alley. And it's so interesting because if this guy had come on at the beginning of Joe's show, 2009, 2010, it's exactly the guest that he would have been looking for.

Well, for one, Joe would have smoked a ton of weed right at the beginning of that podcast. Everyone's stoned, and it's just a comedian on this new platform called podcasting talking to somebody that is saying the most out there, strangest things ever, as interesting as it would have been for people, almost nobody would be taking it seriously.

And we've got about 15 years later, and there's so much more credibility behind the potential for these things to be true. It's, it's like I'm, I'm freaking taking it all at face value, bro. I'm not gonna lie. Absolutely. And I, but I can also say like, I also 100% believe what he was saying and 100% don't believe what he's saying. Go on. It's the same thing. I have the perfect dichotomy of opinions on what he was going because there's a skeptical side of everybody and then there's the side of you that wants you to believe that all

those alien movies are really true. Yeah. There is something out there. Well, we often are quite biased to things like that. Joe talks about it a lot. He, you know, it's what was the saying in the show, The X-Files, I want to believe that was the poster that Mulder had. And it's like, that's the bias, right? So we want to believe. But you know what?

I don't want to believe in remote viewing. I don't like the idea of it. It sounds way too woo-woo. And after he's saying what he's saying, I'm like, how could there be nothing to it if a freaking Stanford PhD physicist can't tell the difference between bullshit and like really good guesses?

That one just gets me a little bit. guesses. That one just gets me a little bit. Well, as I said, I 100% do and don't believe it. Like why? We've developed communication and all these skills and language and those things. Somebody once asked me, do you believe eventually that we'll be able to communicate without talking? I said, well, why not? Why if we don't go another million years of evolving that we're not able to pass electronic, some sort of communication across atoms, because this air, this is

atoms as well, it's just one substance to another, to another person. So why can't it happen? Why isn't magic possible, right? After enough practice or things like that. But also, that sounds like bullshit, Nick, what you just said. Yeah, but think of Neuralink. I think in 20 years, Neuralink will have two people

that are Neuralinked up and they will be able to telepathically communicate. That's not even a million, you know, it's not long. I mean, I don't know if it's 20 years, but I bet it's not that long before some kind of communication can happen just from thinking. I think there's the advances are coming fast and furious on that side. Oh, yeah. And being obscured by the news, right? Because we're still divided over the price of eggs.

And maybe we're not even able to conceptualize what's happening with technology. So it could be far beyond that what is actually available at this time. Yeah. I think there'll be pushback from that on that from people who don't not only don't want to understand, can't understand, because that brings us all a little bit closer to knowing what everybody else is thinking all the time. You lose your privacy. Yeah. Your thoughts.

Yeah, there is some of that. It would be nice though, to be able to quickly identify who the liars are though. Yeah, I think that already exists, right? They have apps on your phone to tell if someone's, the intonations in their speech change when they're saying something. Oh, I didn't know that. That would actually be an interesting add-on for like a Spotify player for podcasts. Imagine if it was like they just had two bars and you've got like the host, the co-host or just two people talking. And it shows while someone's speaking like that's probably a lie. Yeah, this is bullshit.

Don't believe them. Well, if it's not, we've got a patent pending coming. We got to hold off on releasing this episode. There we go. There we go. Just in the mail, all of you folks listening, just promise you won't steal my amazing lie detector podcast idea. That I will never make because I know there's no too lazy and don't have any of the skills necessary to get it done. But yeah, might only be a matter of time with that one.

But yeah, well, so with the remote viewing, it kind of started off, he got into it because he met this guy that was like, yeah, I'm a remote viewer or like a telepathic, telepath or whatever he was saying. Now remember this guy's a physicist. So he was like, well, that's probably bullshit. But this guy could like change the frequency of a machine. He could speed it up. He could like look into it and describe what the shielding looked like and draw it.

Um, that must've been quite compelling to see and experience. To actually see it and not be able to explain it for somebody of that, um, intellectual prowess would be probably, you, you would have to lean towards bullshit. You're like, that's not possible, right? Because he kept saying, Oh, that's just a, it's just a coincidence. There was some outside factor, but we listened at home through our radio. We're driving around and you go, that's, that's not possible. Right.

But maybe if you actually saw it in person and saw what some would say, that's a miracle, right? But, but it's just hard to believe listening to it. But then, like I said, the other side of me, and this is I, you know, deja vu, right? Everybody's experienced deja vu. I have 100% in my life done things twice for the first time. I will do something and I'll go, I remember doing this before, but then I'll go, but I can't explain that. So you just write it off. Everybody's had these things. And that's why I, when he spoke, said he would brief higher and higher people in the department, the CIA,

right? He found that they were more open to the ideas. Well, those people got successful and maybe they're relying on some sort of thing they can't explain to make correct decisions in their life as well. So I think everybody, as you said, wants to believe it, but they can't. The objective side of themselves can't believe it. So it's really strange. Yeah.

And, you know, also, I think if you're, if you're, you know, say you're working for the CIA or some government program and your job is, you know, to keep the nation safe or keep the military as strong as it can or whatever the process is, right? Defense. Then you hear about a potential capability. Like someone can, from a long way away look at things, you know. Well, you, in order to be good at your job, you shouldn't be really dismissing things too quickly. You should find out, sit, listen, be open-minded and say, hey, you're the best at this. You're the best at researching this. Can someone look into a safe and into a filing cabinet and read plans? Like that would be a major security breach if it was possible and you would want to

know. So it's like, it's kind of cool in a way that these government officials are like that open-minded or even potentially. Oh, especially at the time they were talking about against the Russians, right? Um, the race, what are they doing? They're doing this. We got to look into this area of, um, exploration here with it. Why are they spending all this money on that? It was, you know, the space race and then the cold war and all those other things. So then I could see them looking into even stranger things than this. No doubt.

To see if they would work and pouring money into them. Fuck, we started a war in Afghanistan in the 80s, you know, against the Russians by proxy. So I'm dumping money into not having to do anything or leave the country to view stuff inside of a safe seems pretty reasonable and safe to me. Yeah, it's worth looking into. Absolutely. And yeah, I guess from that point of view, I would be like, yeah, sure. Okay. Let's see if it works.

Um, as long as you remain objective. And if you come at it from thinking it's bullshit and then you're converted, well then you'd be like, okay, well now I'm, I am, I'm one of the followers. Well, you'll become an acolyte, right? Yeah. I mean, I guess my question is because, you know, he even gave the example later about doing a little experiment with the stock market. Like how will the graph look tomorrow?

That type of thing. And then they made trades around it and made like quarter of a million in a month. But he was saying that like five out of the seven viewers basically had nothing useful. You know, so it's like there is this process of elimination in innocence. And then I guess when you're working with a big enough group, there's got to be one that's closest to something. It's just how useful is that information?

The one that really hit me was that Russian sub they found, because supposedly the story is it was like weirdly inland and they were like a giant sub wouldn't be this far inland anyway. Now there happened to be a big like, you know, riverway or something for it to be able to be transported. But for them to, you know, for this person to just be able to figure out that in this place that nobody in the military was really keeping an eye on, because

obviously the Russians were good at like keeping this a secret, they figured out what was in there and described it fairly accurately, you know, inside and out. It's like that one is just so hard to believe. I don't even know what to think of it. I think they're all sending random people to parks and asking them what's around them. They gave so many examples of stuff that's very, very hard to believe. It was just one after another after another. And you go, well, I mean, if they stuck with this, and this guy really believes this shit, maybe there is something to it. Maybe I can see inside of a safe maybe. Or I can go to an alien base here on earth.

I believe at one time they said that. Right. And then they called up that station that was near it. And they said, Oh, you mean where the aliens are always cited from? So then, and then the ring on Saturn. Oh yeah. Yeah. No Jupiter. Physicists, Jupiter, Jupiter. That's it.

And that, but the physicist that he was talking about, I mean, he's the Michael Jordan of physics astrophysicists, and for him to blow that off. And then, and then, uh, to, um, to just take it up and then it becomes true when everybody thought it was the contrary was, is absolutely crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the ring one I could see as more of a potential guess. I mean, obviously they nailed it, but that's like something you could guess, right? Maybe.

The sub one is much harder. That one just seems like too many pieces. That's like guessing the lottery numbers. But they're all still pretty amazing i mean. End you know in order to keep funding and credibility i'm sure. The dock you know. Made the experiments or the tests in such a way as to create credibility. Like you would have to.

And you would have to prove this. You would have to prove it because you have to get funding every year. Right? Yeah. So, and he said they would send people in to find out if it was bullshit or not, which that's fine. Yeah. Government is going to audit their process or not, which that's fine. Yeah, government is gonna audit their process, see where their money's going.

I mean, not modern government and probably not the government back then, but if somebody says we're remote viewing into other countries, a lot of people are probably gonna think that's bullshit and you're stealing government funds. Yeah, it's reasonable. Now it's fine.

The Pentagon can't even find like $3 trillion, whatever. They're like, here you go. Take this. Well, yeah. And then, but for to keep going, to keep, keep getting funded, it had to be something there. There had to be something that was true more than it was untrue. Yeah. I mean, put off kind of his best guess is something to do with like quantum entanglement. And I don't think that there's been a way for them to test that in any way. It's just a guess. Like, we know what quantum entanglement is. They can replicate that in labs so they can see it

under microscopes, whatever, electron microscopes. But when it comes to how that relates to remote viewing, I don't think there's any measurable thing. They're just assigning a strange law of the universe to this thing that they also can't explain. Does that make sense? There's this clip going around Reels right and it's this Quantum mechanics professor and he's the intro to quantum mechanics for his classmates or his students, right? and he goes Welcome to quantum mechanics. I

Don't know anything about quantum mechanics. And then hopefully in the coming weeks, I will be able to teach you also to not know anything about quantum mechanics. So you can take all of the knowledge that you don't know and go spread it around the world and convince them other things that you don't understand and don't know.

So I take that as we're just gonna apply a tagline to something that we can't explain and put it on the shelf for a while until hopefully the answers come to light. And then maybe, maybe we'll understand it or maybe we won't. Maybe it's something beyond our comprehension. If you go down to the basic, the smallest level,

we're just little electrons and protons floating around in space that are mostly made up of nothing. So I'm surprised that Joe didn't push this towards, are we living in a simulation? And this is the back end of that. Cause he's talked about it before, you know, if this is the result, then people can go, if we're in a simulation, they can go back through whatever they're hooked up to and

see what is also part of that simulation on some other route, right? I'm surprised it didn't go that way. Yeah. Yeah, well, you know, I mean, they've done tests, and they're repeatable tests, for many years, where things would happen behind a person. They would either put a hand up on one side or on the other. either put a hand up on one side or on the other. They would, and what they were kind of testing for is, is there like a sixth sense, like a spidey sense type energy that you can figure out? You ever do that where you'll be in a very crowded place and someone might be looking at you and you

just know to like turn your head that way and look and it's like the eyes just lock and it's like oh and you could blow that off as a coincidence well I look around a lot as well and not everyone's looking at me but sometimes there is that like there might be an intentionable force because if you think about it for survival, something staring at you has an intention of some kind, especially a predator. And it would make sense to have some sort of sense like that. You know, just like the Native American in the movie Predator, he knew he was out there watching them out in the woods. That's right. In the forest. Um, we did a survival school where we had to do some resistance training

in a classroom setting, uh, and one of the instructors brought that up. He says, cause he would be off in the corner, but when they would bring them in past the door, they wouldn't be able to see him. I mean, he would look down like this. And then after the classroom, he would just look at the floor. He said, we noticed that students didn't know I was there if I looked down at the floor when they came in.

And then they were being questioned in front of them. But he said on our videos, if I was always looking up and watching them come in, they knew I was there. They would always turn their head to see me. And these are, you know, iteration after iteration after iteration. But so when they brought him in, he'd look down and the students wouldn't know he was back in the corner right there during the interrogation. So yeah, there is something there, something,

some connection. Maybe it's not, maybe we're not limited to all these six cents, seven cents, eight cents, maybe there's other shit that we don't know. I mean, it's like my point, right? It is that maybe these types of things, this quote unquote quantum entanglement thing that is happening with remote viewers, is happening a little bit all the time with everybody. We either haven't fully honed that skill or we just use it enough for self-preservation on a local level.

And again, because it's hard to measure and even kind of harder to notice. I mean, it literally takes like a psychologist to do an experiment to do with eye contact to see what lines up. But with us, it's just possibly happening all the time. We're like, oh, that guy keeps looking at me. That person is staring at me. Way from over there. I just knew right away. You get so good at your sport, right? People, they're not thinking it, you know, you get past the point of thinking when it's just, you're perceiving what's going to happen next. Where do I need to turn? Where do I need to throw the ball?

Where things are going to go. You're able to anticipate what's going to happen. Well, some of that's from practice. Some of that's your, um, your subconscious working over time. You can't perceive that it's, it's lining up information that you, you couldn't keep in, in the forefront of your mind, uh, to help you would do something. So, I mean, it's back to it, man. Fuck. I believe it and I don't believe it.

Right. So of course, I guess that's being objective. Yeah. It's good to be a skeptic, right? It can take you both directions. You can be skeptical of the status quo and say things like, you know what, I think there's more to this existence than just the government and religion and our society and the rules. Maybe it's wackier. Maybe there is a conspiracy. Maybe there are UFOs. There is so much more we don't understand. The universe is so fucking big. You cannot comprehend how large it is. And for us to think we're limited to this little rock that's orbiting a ball of hydrogen at an incredible amount of speed in this vast universe

is very thinking, very, very small. Yeah, yeah. That's a great way to put it in perspective. But if I was presented with evidence that it was true, I would look at it and go, okay, I believe that. And then if I was presented with evidence, irrefutable evidence that it was false, okay, let's go to that.

But I would not reserve, I'd be like, okay, I can change my mind if other evidence comes up. I'm not gonna close my mind off to it. And that's, I think, what he was getting at with the disclosure, the numbers ranking system. When they made that as a group of smart people, ranking, should we disclose, should we not, based on nine factors, I think it was from zero to nine. And they all came out with negative numbers. It would be detrimental to society. Well, because most people wouldn't be able to handle that,

whether for their religion or they can't, they don't want to believe, lose total faith in the people that are in charge of their government and all their well-being that they've been lied to. So I think that's what he was getting at is that isn't the case for most people. Most people would not be able to handle that currently. Yeah, you know, I think it might be simpler than that. Rather than it being this massive shakeup. I think people are pretty.

It's like it's kind of surprising how. How people would just go along with whatever's happening. Right. It's like the pandemic comes and COVID and all that. It's like the world changed in an instant and it was wild. And mostly everyone was just like oh OK this is what we do now. I don't think they were that shocked by things. I mean, the paper, what was it? New York Times, like he was saying, released that stuff about UAPs.

They exist, the government's looking at them. I remember thinking, holy shit, everyone, look, they're real. No one gave a fuck. Everyone went to work. Normal shit happened. I mean, other than like a UFO landing on the lawn of the White House, and it being on the news, yeah, it would be a big thing to talk about for a few days. And everyone would just keep doing the same shit.

I think the reason they don't tell us about it is just simply because we, as people, would demand to see it or demand to have more information about it. And they're ultimately just trying to keep all that tech secret so other countries don't get a hold of it. I think it's literally as simple as that. We have a terrible time keeping anything a secret from all the other countries and the same for them.

Everybody's involved in spying on one another all the time. And especially if we can remote view now and just go into the safe and grab the plans, maybe it's a little oversimplified than that. But maybe, maybe this whole with the rise of movies and internet and social media, the whole genre of science fiction is a psychological operation funded by, I don't know, or influenced by the government to get people comfortable with the fact that they're going to have to disclose this eventually. And if they keep letting little tidbits out and keep making movies and putting little articles and then having fighter pilots see things every once in a while and then, you know, allow these reports to slowly start coming out, then it won't be as bad on the,

on the back end because they voted not to disclose whatever in the mood teens, right? Yeah, over 10 years ago, 10 years ago now. So maybe they're just like, well, let's just a little more, let's drag it out a little more. And then people won't, because we'll get to the point where, as you said, even if the spaceship lands on the White House lawn, nobody's gonna give a shit. We might even get to that point. Yeah. Yeah. They're like desensitizing us with Hollywood based psyops.

That's an interesting way of putting it. I mean, if you think about it, um, the, it just kind of makes it. It's like just closing the gap between reality and not. And by the time they drop that bombshell, it's just not as much of a shock. We're like yeah we've been hearing about this for ages don't you listen to Joe Rogan? That's you know it's just all that. So he's basically saying there's global UFO programs and it's classified so he couldn't really say how many ships other countries had, which is why I thought it was interesting.

He was able to say that the U S has more than 10. Um, but maybe that's information we like to release because let's say it's inflated. Let's say we have three, but if we say we have more than 10 and the other countries hear this, you know, that makes them nervous. We always want to pretend we got more shit than everyone else. You want to try and control the information going out to the public, right? For some angle. Yeah, it's almost like anything they tell us, I'm like, that's probably not true.

It's the like anything they tell us. I'm like, that's probably not true. It's the opposite of that. And then, you know, flashback to Mike Baker, is what he's telling us, you know, he's it's all filtered. It's all filtered down to what gets out to the public. He's very careful. Get all Mikey. This doctor was, yeah, he was saying some things and I thought about that too. It's like, man, those are some pretty exact numbers, but he's got a lot more experience talking about this subject and what's in the news and what he can and can't say decades. So I feel like he's just gathering up all of the public stories and and and using as like the plausible deniability. These are the ones that were in the papers and that's just what I'm giving the number on.

Yeah. And then he would say, and he just wouldn't talk any more about it. So he did draw a line, but, um, yeah, it was interesting to see how much he said. Yeah. Yeah, it was interesting to see how much he said. Yeah. It, this whole like decompartmentalized, um, you know, reverse engineering process is very, is very cool.

The, um, reverse engineering. And when he said with the companies, that is a big thing. Um, is the government giving these, these, um, technologies to certain companies and then they become hugely profitable. Well, that's going to leave them open to lawsuit later on. Now that's a big deal because that's under. Yeah. Yep. Um, so, so Lockheed, Fisher, Northrop, Grumman, they've

got everybody that's successful. And then the other ones have gone to the wayside. But the most important thing, the most important thing that I, I know about, and for my time, just little time in the military, which it wasn't at this level, but you cannot misappropriate funds. You are going to jail. If you misappropriate congressionally, uh, congressional, the directed funds. I fucked that word up, but, um, if, if you lie about where the money's going, you're going to fucking prison. So it's going to have to be some amnesty program.

Yeah. Wouldn't you think though that they could be? It's like, Hey, I understand the rules. Also, we're talking about fucking alien spaceships here. How else were we supposed to do this? We need a little bit of a get out of jail free card for dealing with this. If we'd given it to every company then, and yeah there could be some bias involved of who got it. Maybe it wasn't the best companies, it was someone that someone's brother that knew someone on the contract team. But at the end of the day they really could only pick a couple of

companies because if they give it to everyone who knows where that information could get to. There's like more more people you need to keep track of. Secrets start getting over to China. And, you know, I'm not justifying the potential financial crime that was that was done. It's still bad. But this one seems to be. There should be some exceptions there.

This is wild. Oh, I'm not saying, I'm not saying it's bad. You should be able to steal from the government all you want. Fuck them. But yeah, what I'm like, if you send money other places and these are at one time, just were normal citizens that were elected to these elected positions. Yeah. And their families are tied in with these companies and their investment.

And it can quickly wrap everyone up in who is doing what and who knew about what and how did these families get rich or these people, elected officials. And you could see that with portfolios and things now. They've got insider information and it's not illegal for them, but it is for everybody else. Right. The one point I wanted to touch on before we get off, you know, you have a military background, you're interested in, in that world. I'm sure you've read a lot about it. You enjoy that space.

that world. I'm sure you've read a lot about it. You enjoy that space. When you hear that the UAPs in the past have flown over nuclear sites and either shut them down or activated everything and the people inside could do nothing, what do you think they're doing? Now obviously they're a different thing, but if you thought about it just in terms of how military operations happen on this planet with humans, what do you think they're doing? When he was saying that, it was either adults sending a message or teenagers fucking around is the first things that popped into my head. Because if they are, I, that's interesting.

We are so far from even the next star system, right? That could potentially we don't even know if it could support life. That's just the next one is a four four light years away. Right. We are so, so fucking far away from everything else. Like if you start looking into it, it is 97% of the fucking universe is unreachable. For somebody to know we were alive or some other entity to know that we are even alive,

this 100,000 years of our existence at this time and be able to travel through space, which goes at a different fucking times, times different when you're traveling at the speed of light, right? So to get here and to be here and to see us in this time, because if you're looking light years away, you're seeing the past to get here.

If there's somebody here, they've been here, or they're able to travel through time, they can get around time somehow, which is even fucking crazier. So possibly if they're already here, and I know this sounds ridiculous, right? Fucking the whole thing's ridiculous spaces. But if they're here, maybe there's different generations of them here and maybe they grow up similar to we do and they have powers that we can't understand. So it's either adults saying,

hey, quit fucking around or letting the top brass know that they can fuck with us more than we can fuck with them. Or it's fucking teenagers going around fucking with people. I love that because they can teenage aliens. Just imagine them like drinking going out on a Friday night, they're all smoking in their UFO. Just fucking lighting things up. You know all those weird videos off in the distance? Hey, let's go light up some spotlights in the sky and really fuck with the Americans today. Blasting a bunch of cows in a field. Removing their organs for some reason. Kidnapping a few hillbillies out in the middle of nowhere and just fucking with them and dropping them back five days later. It's just all teenage aliens. They're like, son, you're grounded. Stop messing with those guys. If you if you just look at how ridiculous humans are and you

go, oh, maybe other species are like that. It doesn't sound so ridiculous. Yeah. Well, I'm looking forward to see the documentary they were making. It hasn't come out yet. I tried looking for it. You can't stream it yet, but soon, hopefully Netflix picks it up. I think it's going to be interesting. And yeah, and this guy was interesting. I like this. I think as more information gets released, it kind of could add more credibility to what

he's talking about. Maybe also it opens up as they declassify things, more things for him to come on and talk about in the future, which I'd be into as well. And yeah, thank you for doing this one, Nick. I know it's way out there and wacky as hell, but I love these. These are fun for me. You get to put out some ridiculous ideas in your head that you're like, do I sound ridiculous? And then you say them out loud and you're like, yes, I do sound ridiculous. But it's nice little thought experiments, you know, with just being open-minded

and considering the possibility and what the implications would be if it was true. I mean, that's really it. Don't be closed minded. Don't be closed minded with your neighbors or your friends or people you meet or anything. If somebody's got something to say, listen to them, take it for what it is and make your opinion on it, but don't judge anybody. That's what I say. I love that.

Great. And for those of you that are interested, the documentary is called The Age of Disclosure. So it's basically a UAP film. And yeah, holy cow, I've heard that it is, it's really got the UFO world just buzzing. So the film is produced by Dan Farah. It's almost two hours long, so there's a lot of good information in there. It's not out for streaming yet, like I was saying. And you know, the cinematographer is Vincent Rann. The editor is Spencer Averick. The documentary features interviews with 34 current and former US government, military, and intelligence officials, which is pretty amazing.

It adds a lot of credibility to it. Secretary of State Mark Rubio is in there. National Intelligence Director James Clapper, former Department of Defense, like just top UAP task force directors, different physicists, just like Hal, defense intelligence secretaries, naval chief officers. I mean, it's a big deal, right? This isn't like an ancient aliens episode. And it covers unidentified aerial phenomena,

UAPs, as you can imagine, examines government programs related to them, including the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program and the UAP Task Force. They talk about naval pilots and what they've observed from like 20 feet away. And the film was made over two years in secrecy. Its trailer dropped January 22nd and I'll put a link in the bio so you can watch it. And it's garnered I think over like 18 million

views globally, which is crazy. I mean, a lot of people are interested in this. As of right now, no streaming, but potential for like Netflix, Amazon, Apple TV, one of them is going to buy it for sure. And yeah, I look forward to it. I think it's going to be one of the more credible, credentialed, and informative alien UFO documentaries. And that's very exciting, you know? I almost feel like we're just getting real close to a point where we're like, okay, and also, here's a ship. So, that's it for us this week. We appreciate you as always, and take it easy.

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