Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 444 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Harold “Sonny” White

Episode Date: May 14, 2025

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How's it going? Doing, it's going. It's going, dude. Yeah. Yeah. Finally, a hopeful one. We get to talk about UFOs and scientists and rocket propulsion.

The last few I've been offering up for you have been stressing you out. Yeah, this one actually didn't ruin my week, so I'm happy about that. Well, there we go. That's for you, Sean. We're on a good stretch here. Next one's going to be the worst. Well, there we go. That's for you, Sean. We're on a good stretch here. This week is.

Next one's going to be the worst. Oh, yeah. I'll ease it in, though. I'll make this one easy. Next one will be real stressful. Maybe Kanye comes back on. Oh, no. That'd be a tough, tough one to review, I think.

Yeah. Especially right now. You should have someone else do that one. Promise. So this week we are reviewing Dr. Harold Sonny White. Smart guy. PhD. Really smart guy. In physics, a masters in mechanical engineering. So an engineer and a physicist, scientist. That's tough.

That's a lot of school. Oh yeah. His passion is for advanced propulsion. Wow. This was like the whole topic of this podcast was like, shit that I've always thought about. Like, oh, that would be cool if we could do that. Or like, how are we doing that? But then I never really thought it was real,

or like people were actually working on this. I thought it was just like science fiction. But it's encouraging to know that like this is a real possibility for us if we play our cards right. For sure. Well that video that they played was pretty dope. That was a cool video. Yeah. It was just nice how they like laid it out. It's like this is what we have today. That's how long it will take. Two thousand years. We can do this one. It's a bit faster, but it's still a ton of time. Like it basically says, yeah, they're still worth exploring

because we have to incrementally build technology. But ultimately, we have to get to a point where we can bend time and space. Yeah, and I think a lot of the work that they're doing now is just the groundwork of this, trying to understand these things. Because he talked about it a lot, but they kind of understand

that this is something that is not going to, maybe not going to get accomplished in their lifetimes. Like this is going to be like future generations. And so just like setting things up to work in that direction someday to have that possibility. Though I guess the whole idea of space travel in a way is like reaching for something that you know you're not going to get to in your lifetime,

but so that the next generation can enjoy that. Right. It's the long game. Yeah. Yeah. And but also saying that I think that something they highlighted early on was the Wright brothers were like, what 1909 or something. Yeah. Really early on. Not that long ago though. and then in like 60 years We got people on the moon. Yeah Yeah, a cool another cool statistic too is the Wright brothers first flight is a shorter distance than

the wingspan of certain planes like the 747 which was created like the wingspan of certain planes like the 747 which was created like 50 years after the Wright brothers first flight I think it was 1969 so maybe a couple years after that but the plane itself is bigger than that first distance they traveled with the early on planes which is crazy to think about. But it is wild in so many ways because I mean think even like World War II they had like the first jets. Yeah. You know I don't think that there was like most of the planes there but they basically had that kind of figured out. They had airliners you know around there shortly after. I mean you're sat comfortably in a plane eating peanuts, just like walking around, going to get a drink,

using the toilet. It's freaking 36,000 feet in the air flying. Some of them have bars. Some of the big Airbus A380s, they have a bar and a lounge at the top level. It's actually pretty crazy. That's pretty nice. Yeah, that's changed a little bit now, sadly.

I think it was like cooler to fly in the past. You know, like the Pan Am days. I think they gave you better meals. Well, it was also a lot more expensive. It was a lot more exclusive. It would be the same as if you only flew first class, pretty much. Like it would be the same kind of cost

if you did the equivalency. That makes sense. They just like didn't have coach like it was flying was only for rich people at that point in time. That makes sense. Yeah. Everyone else just donkeys on the ground. Yeah. Taken forever. They're like go ahead and walk. Yeah but you know again it was what 60 years they got to the moon. And who knows? Maybe we'll work on this for 60 years, which is in the range of some people's lifetimes. And just setting out that idea or the mission,

getting it going, believing that we can do it. It's wild. That's super sci-fi stuff. Yeah. Yeah, and it's crazy that we're actually working in steps to accomplish these things. It's not out of the question entirely to have interplanetary life if we set things up correctly

and work towards that goal. Do you know how time dilation works? A little bit, yeah. Right. So the faster you go, the faster you travel. And it's why we can't get to the speed of light, because the energy you need to move any mass becomes infinite. It's like an impossible thing unless we create wormholes, right?

But also what's happening is the faster you go Like let's say you and I just zip to the end of the solar system real fast and then zip back to earth The closer we get to the speed of light Time on earth would have trapped like gone a long time. Yeah. Which is bananas. It also changes time changes based on the mass of whatever you're standing on. So like on bigger planets, like did you ever watch interstellar?

Yes. Remember how the time dilation and that worked? Like that was actually pretty accurate. Like if you travel to like towards the edge of a wormhole, for example, the mass changes and therefore space-time changes and so there's a time dilation effect in that way too. Huh. Yeah. Oh because they were on a planet and time went like real long on earth right something like that. Yeah they like reached down to this one planet and the time dilation was like so strong by the

time they got back it was only like a couple hours for them but it was like 25 years for the dude waiting on the spacecraft how does that make any sense I don't know relativity yeah it's relative bro yeah it's all relative I was I was looking into like what if, like what if the universe had, what if you could travel faster than the speed of light? I just like asked AI that the other day. And it was like, it wouldn't really, like the universe wouldn't exist as we know it in that way.

Because one of the things is like the speed of light is so ingrained in our understanding of physics and so if I in theory if you've traveled faster than the speed of light you would leave somewhere and arrive somewhere like pretty much instantaneously and that would create like time paradoxes and just fuck with our understanding of everything. Really? Yeah. Huh. But through wormholes, you can do that because you're bending space and time. Right, that's a bit of the cheat code, right? Yeah, but you're not actually like, yeah,

it's not as if you're speeding through space. You're changing space as you move. Right. You're just bringing the destination closer to you. So yeah, so it doesn't mess. Yeah, like it was like the analogy that he was saying about the in the airport, the walkways that move, like as you're standing on it, you're getting closer to something faster than if you were moving at the same speed, like moving next to it, you know, right, because you're changing the space itself but you're not walking

anywhere yeah you're just getting closer so mmm yeah the other thing that he talked about that was really interesting before he talked about like the space warp ships was the nuclear powered ships oh yeah those are pretty cool too and that seems like a lot more reasonable, like easier to accomplish. Yeah, but I think the issue there was just that it just won't go fast enough for whatever reason. Like that we just do not have a fuel source

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Do you think we're going to send out a bunch of androids on a, one of those ships? Because then if it takes, I don't know, 2,000 years to get out there or whatever, it's like, well, we just push it out there. Let them figure it out. And I don't know what the point would be. Take some readings, land on a planet. Yeah, I think, well, one of the things

that they were saying, too, is like, if you create the technology, like the warp technology, or like stuff that's faster, if you send out something earlier, it's just, if you figure out the way to do it quicker, you're just going to be waiting on that thing for thousands of years to arrive. So it's like, do you spend the resources on that, or do you just go full force on the one that's

going to be faster? Because in the long run, if you send out a ship and it takes 2000 years to get there, but then in 1500 years you create a ship that can get there in two years, you just saved yourself like 490 whatever years. Right. Yeah. You just catch up. And then you're waiting another 500 years for that thing that you sent out all that time ago to arrive still because it's moving at that constant speed of slower. I was thinking about that in terms of time dilation and it's like you head off, right?

And even if you get to this destination real quick because you're going so fast that it's, you know, just doesn't take that long. But on Earth, time is like, you like, for you and me in the spaceship, it's only been a couple of weeks. But on Earth, it's been 1,000 years. You would imagine other ships would be passing you up, because they'd have better technology. They just pull over. If you can even see them.

They dock with you. They're like, oh, yeah, we've got to upgrade all your slow-ass spaceship stuff. Maybe you would do that. know once you create the faster ships you go pick up the slower ones and just give them a push yeah tell them just like you guys are inferior to us let us help you out yeah but in a weird way it's like you still should have left at some point yeah right we it's like we don't I guess we know that we make better stuff, but it's like still send it out there.

Yeah. It was kind of, I don't know, freaky though when he was discussing that 2,000 year trip. And it was like, yeah, there would be like many generations of humans that just live on this ship. Yeah. I mean, I don't know what kind of weirdos they'd be at the end of that.

Be like Wally. Remember in Wally how they're all just on some massive interstellar cruise ship, just bad as fuck, on their little moving chairs? Yeah, like right around drinking those sodas. Yeah, it does raise an interesting question, though. Because after a couple of generations, these people are all in one area you know you could have like

some mass hysteria thing you know like is this even worth it like we should go back or you know something like that like yeah it would be weird but then you know if you science fiction you know if you freeze everybody then you wouldn't have to worry about that but that's just weird, I don't know if that works. Well, I don't think we can do it now. Yeah. We'd have to work on that too. Cryo.

Yeah. Whatever it is, just freeze them and. I bet there's billionaires working on that. No doubt. Do you know they did that with Walt Disney? Is that true? I think it is true. Really?

Yeah. They still have them frozen? Supposedly. Apparently, it's really true. Really? Yeah, they still haven't frozen Supposedly apparently it's really really expensive. Well, if you don't have tons of money, you can just freeze your head Oh really but which may kind of make sense because I'm sure they could just if you can unfreeze a head You can make a dope robot body for that head in the future. Hopefully you would imagine Yeah, but also it's like what are we doing here? Like what are you doing? You just cannot accept death? Yeah, a lot of people want to live forever. A lot of powerful people. It seems exhausting to me. You know, I mean, I don't think if it look people give billionaires a lot of shit like they're just greedy and

self or whatever all the things are that people don't like about billionaires. However they're very successful human beings like unusually so. However they did it. I'm not saying every one of them is you know super valuable or like maybe it's a lot of luck but yeah they position themselves well and they did it. So having more of those humans around It's not the worst Unless they got all their money from fucking over other people and they're just evil. That's right I mean, there's probably a lot of those people too. Well, but that just goes so you're one of those guys

Certain billionaires. I'm not saying I like them. I'm just saying they did a thing that was like, unusual. I think we should just keep all the like smart scientists who are working in a positive way, you know. That's actually a good point. People who are doing shit. Well, that's what Elon has said before. He's like, have lots of kids.

We should all have lots of kids. We're not going to run out of space. And by doing that, we're going to make more Einsteins. Yeah, I mean more people, more innovation. That kind of makes sense. Yeah, as long as we're not just raising stupid people. If there's more people, but all of them are not useful to society, that's not helpful. That's why education is so important.

Yeah. But I don't want to get a tangent, side tangent on that. I'll go on forever. Get into a whole homeschooling thing. All right, so the UAPs and the whole phenomena, right? Yeah. I feel like secretly Joe had this guy on the podcast just so he could ask him UFO questions 100% of course

Which was kind of funny Yeah Like after like about three-quarters of way through the podcast when he was like done talking about the shit that he's doing Joe was just like asking him about UFOs, which was good. I mean, that's what I wanted to hear too. Mm-hmm But yeah. He can't help himself. He can't help himself. Like pulling up videos and stuff. Joe can bring up UFOs if he's talking to like,

somebody who just wrote a book about bees. Yeah. Like he will find a way. He's like, you ever noticed our structure and movement is similar? He's like, these bees look like UFOs and it's just this whole tangent. This podcast is brought to you by Raycon. Dads teach us a lot.

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and it can like potentially, though he's not, it's not like a fully thought, you know, form thought, but they can kind of make images in the sky. Oh, really? So it's like, just with with these lasers they can like trick you maybe and then you're like oh it's a UFO it's nothing. Hmm. Lasers. That'd be interesting but I wonder like can you a lot of the UFO sightings are like single objects like just one particular shape in the sky, you know, like, I don't know, I'm an

idiot on lasers, but like seems hard that lasers can like, are they all pointing in one direction and creating this shape or like how does that work with? I don't know, I think they intersect and then it kind of reacts with the air and like creates a plasma. Yeah. Like a heat signature, like some image. We call it like a pixel. So in a sense, if you can make one pixel, you can imagine you can make a bundle of pixels. Yeah.

I can see that. 1,000 pixels. I hope Amazon doesn't come up with this technology. We're going to have nothing but fucking ads in the sky all day. Just like, buy now. Subscribe. Dude, have you been watching Black Mirror recently? No.

Are they? I didn't know that they were still making that show. Yep. The new season. It's been going on for a while, then. The first episode, bit of a spoiler, but this person's brain gets damaged. So they clone it so that they can not be in a coma.

But you have to pay a subscription fee for it and stay within these cell towers. Otherwise you switch off and then occasionally they're playing ads through the person if you don't upgrade your plan. Oh geez. Dude. Yeah, that's scary. What's so weird about that show and why it's great writing great writing really cool stories but you just feel

weird afterwards is because it's so close to something you could imagine happening yeah you're like oh that could one day be like I know this isn't real but like I could see a scenario where we have this shit you know yeah that's that's what I like about science fiction movies you know like it's always cool the ones where it's like such a stretch, and it's just like, you know, just an imaginary story. But then the ones that are like, oh shit, we could really end up down this path, and that's not good.

Right. Those ones are always a little bit more interesting, because you're like imagining how that would work, and how that would go about happening. Yeah, it's like the book 1984 or Brave New World. Yeah, it's the same kind of shit. Like Ready Player One. Mm-hmm.

You're like, I could see this. But then every episode is just a different part of what's happening in society. And then they just go down all these different routes that are just weird as hell. Yeah, the Black Mirror episodes are good, but they always leave you like fucked up in the head after you finish one.

You're like, don't know what to do with yourself. Yeah, it's not like you're scared, like a horror movie. No, but it's just like you wake up from a weird dream, you know? Yeah. Just like, wow, that was fucking wild. It's definitely worth putting on some Seinfeld after a person. Yeah, yeah.

Just kind of break that tension. But yeah, he's not sold on the UAP stuff. I think Jamie and Joe talked about that. They're back and forth on it, too. Yeah, that's kind of how I feel a lot of times. They're in and out. Yeah, me too. I thought I was way more into it until

the times ran that Article saying they exist and the government knows about it Well, then I was all of a sudden very suspicious and I'm like, hmm. Yeah, maybe it is just the government Yeah, I feel like with a lot of Yeah, and I feel like with a lot of more of these like non-provable but kind of conspiratorial things is I feel like a lot of times whoever's in control or whoever's just trying to make money off of these stories just throw information around to try and confuse people and like put self-doubt in their minds and like, you know, just try and throw them off of Throw them out of out of touch because yeah If you just bombard someone with a bunch of different theories and a bunch of different information and they all seem

Somewhat plausible somewhat not plausible, you know, you just like I don't know what the fuck to believe anymore I feel like that's kind of happened. Yeah things especially UFOs nowadays It does seem like they're just adding doubt. Yeah. And the wackier story that they put in there, it's really easy to then dismiss somebody. It's like you've been gas-lit so much that you're like, dude, I'm telling you, there's someone outside my house

every day. And they were sending someone out there every day. And then they're like, oh, they're just making you look nuts, paranoid. I don't know. I don't know. So he talked about quantum vacuum energy in the nanotech. Yeah, this is where my brain was just like, all right,

you got me. You got me. It's like anybody ever asks you point blank, like how do you spell restaurant? And you're just like, fuck, you got me. I don't know. You just get stuck. Yeah.

Just trying to find a way. That's kind of how I was. I was like, fuck, I don't understand how these particles and waves and stuff. But I mean, it makes sense. The analogy he used of the Venn diagram between quantum mechanics and general relativity But I mean it makes sense the analogy he used of like the Venn diagram between quantum mechanics and General relativity and our understanding of physics and how they like intersect at some point like that makes sense to me

You know and I know everyone every time I've ever looked into anything with quantum mechanics There's always like this huge a strict of like We don't really know like we there's a lot of things that are going on and shit that we just don't understand. And so a lot of it becomes really hard to follow for that reason. Well, even the people that know the most about it often will say, we don't know.

Yeah, exactly. And that's how, like, one of the things that you can tell with someone who's really, really smart is that they're always able to admit when they're like, yeah, I don't know this, or that's a good question, or whatever it is. They'll obviously talk about what they do know, but they're very honest about, like,

we don't understand this. And so that's why I always believe them when they're like, we don't really fuck if I know. It's like, that's probably what someone would say who understands what's going on. It builds a lot of trust. Yeah. It makes you go, OK.

But then it makes it, yeah, it's like, what do you do with that information? How are we supposed to build off of not knowing? But it seems like the work that he's doing is kind of pushing that, like looking into quantum mechanics and trying to understand how we can extract energy out of it and things like that, I think is really interesting. But yeah, it's really early on, I feel.

Do you think that we're going to get to a point, especially with AI, to where they're building these nuclear power plants to power them. They're just loading them up with Nvidia chips, so making them as smart as they can. And do you think that all the new interventions and inventions and cutting edge physics would just come from these systems?

Probably. It's like we don't have to do the math anymore. We're just like, figure that out, go. Yeah. And it's like we don't have to do the math anymore. We just like figure that out, go. Yeah. And it's like there we go time travel. Yeah that would be cool. I think yeah I mean that would be the the end goal right is to have AI set up in a way that you know it's discovering things that we couldn't have even thought of and being at the forefront of creating new ideas you know that would be awesome and yeah hopefully hopefully we get to that point but yeah I think it can be used so like

help us with some of these things that we don't understand well supposedly it's coming up with new compounds which is wild oh yeah so it's like it understands say how ibuprofen works and then it knows the structure and it can like run its own simulated experiments to be like, Oh, if we change this compound or drug in this way, what will happen? So instead of testing it on a bunch of monkeys or mice or whatever we do, it just is able to kind of run through that really quickly. And that's got to be useful.

That's got to save a ton of time. Oh, yeah. And I think, too, like you brought this up earlier of, like, using Androids to assist us in things. Like, I think it's going to be a huge game changer when we have AI set up with automated manufacturing, and we can just build shit without having anyone there to do it.

It just does its own thing. I mean, even when you look at where 3D printing technology is, we can 3D print titanium now to build aircraft parts. Unreal. All of that shit, once that's automated, that's going to be a huge assistance to us. Yeah. Especially on a lot of these harder things, like building spacecrafts and stuff like that. And I think that in the future, when we're exploring other planets,

assume we get to that point, we're going to be hand in hand with AI, discovering new shit. Like I said, the automation of things. Because for us to travel to a new planet and be like oh we got To start mining and we got to have enough people to build buildings. You know, it's like We need to have robots be doing that shit. Mm-hmm. It's just gonna accelerate things. Yeah, and then there's yeah on earth Though there's that topic is always like oh well, you're just placing jobs and you know, that's a whole nother side tangent But yeah, ideally you would have some sort of system like that,

where we're working with them and they're creating things and helping us. And not only new discoveries, but like I was saying, the automation of building things for us. For sure. I mean, think of what they want to do with Mars, right? Elon already has that tunneling company, the boring company. And if it just drops those things on Mars, right? You know, Elon already has that tunneling company, the boring company. And if it just drops those things on Mars, and then, you know, the robots can like do stuff,

like build a dome, whatever the tunnel and things just go underground and build a giant network. And maybe there's a few people that need to go up there, just to kind of like maintain the robots or what they're doing. But that's way easier than sending like a small village. Yeah, and it's a lot less risk to humans. You know, if you can, like you said, if you can send a team of robots out there to like discover shit and bring you back information. I mean, that's how all those drones work and those rovers on Mars and stuff and satellites,

you know, it's not quite as automated. That's how all those drones work and those rovers on Mars and stuff and satellites. It's not quite as automated. The rovers are the satellites. We're kind of controlling that. It's the same idea. You have some robot out there collecting data for you, sending information back. You don't need somebody out there. This is so crap now though.

Honestly. Yeah, they're really early on. It is insane the level of engineering that is required to actually put it on the other planet. To leave Earth's atmosphere, line it up, go into Mars's atmosphere and gravity, and have it land successfully is fucking phenomenal. Mind blown. Yeah.

But yeah, I don't know. I mean, what are they doing? Sniffing rocks and shit? They're just driving around real slow with their solar panels and then just plodding along, taking pictures, occasionally picking a rock up, having a look at it, drilling into it. The pictures are crazy. Yeah, it'd be funny if it's just like some aliens pet at this point It's just being programmed by some alien on Mars. I think I

Think that they have not found anything up there other than just rocks and stuff I don't think that they're keeping from us some grand conspiracy To where I think they would be pumped to show us. Yeah. Like NASA would be like check, I mean they'd probably have a meeting before they released it. Maybe there is a government agency that can be like you can't tell them this. But if they just came across like a skull.

Yeah, that'd be pretty mind blowing. Well because at the end of the day they're're looking for funding. And funding comes from interest. Yeah. And possibilities. Yeah. People used to be pumped about all the space stuff. Now it's like people go on a space... Can you name any astronauts recently?

Katy Perry. I was just going to say. Damn it. But like generally, nobody cares. What were the names of the two poor bastards that were stuck in the? Yeah, God bless him though. That's rough. Oh The bones had to have Elon go out there and save him bro. Yeah, he didn't get any credit for that. Yeah, everyone everyone's Suspicious of him right now

Yeah, but I mean, you need to be doing the space stuff. It's the same thing as we're not investing in nuclear energy as much as we should. There's not a profit motive to come out of that, at least right now. Everything comes from oil and gas and stuff. But it is, yeah, if we're trying to plan for of that, at least right now. Everything comes from oil and gas and stuff. But it is, yeah, if we're trying to plan for the future, we need to be doing this shit.

And that's what I love about all of the scientists and space people is they plan decades ahead. They're like, like I was saying earlier, it's like, we're not going to figure this out in our lifetimes, but we need to be setting things up so that people can pick up the pieces in the future and keep working on this stuff. And that's the way you need to be setting things up so that people can pick up the pieces in the future and keep working on this stuff. And that's the way you need to do it, because, yeah, it's

not going to happen overnight. You just got to take little steps and keep moving in the right direction. Well, it's what they did with the Voyager spacecraft. Voyager 1 and 2, they was sent out in the 70s. I think it was like 86, yeah. With nuclear propulsion, which is badass. And somehow, I don't know how it works.

Do they really have that? Yep. Wow. I don't know if it's like nuclear reactors. It might be like radiation decay, but it's a power source. So it's like a chunk of plutonium that is like, you know, uranium or whatever they use. So yeah, they really thought ahead.

And they planned it out to be like, right, this is a 30-year project or a 50-year project or whatever it is. There's still people monitoring that. I'm pretty sure they've turned off most of the non-essential components right now. They're like fairly end of life. But I'm pretty sure it's still sending some data

Yeah, and like all the things that they develop, you know, like the new James Webb telescope all that stuff is now and stuff Yeah, it's like planned for the future and also the modularity of it too Like it's meant to be upgraded over time so you can replace things as to new technology comes out You know, you can upgrade it. Right, make it better. Yeah. Because that was the problem with the Hubble, right? They just ran out of, with that type of technology, they were like, we can't make this any better.

Yeah, they needed a new platform. And yeah, the web is like spotting planets everywhere that potentially could have life. Yeah. How long do you think before they have something that can scan so well that it can take like a full on reading of the atmosphere and be like, yep, there's organic molecules in there and there's life. It's like, that's how they, they have that now. That's how they,

that's how they do it now is they take scans using, it's not the visible light spectrum. It's all the other ones, like radiation and things like that. But yeah, you basically scan the atmosphere and you can tell what elements are in the atmosphere. And then that kind of tells you at what stage of life this planet is. So you can tell if there's like, I

don't know the exact elements. But if x, y, and z elements are in the atmosphere, that tell if there's like, I don't know the exact elements, but if X, Y, and Z elements are in the atmosphere, that means that there's organic life growing off putting those things in certain ways like that. That's how they're doing it. Generally, oxygen is a sign of, though they now have found this other way that oxygen can be created. I think they call it like dark oxygen or something. And it's like created from these rocks and heat under the ocean. I, I didn't read the whole article. Okay. Not gonna lie, but it was the, the reason I skimmed it is because generally that I think it was that that's

seen as like, Oh, there must be life if we see this. But now they found this other way oxygen can be created. So just because we find this on another planet, we can't 100% say for sure there's life over there. Yeah. And I think that's what a lot of the stages out there right now, it's still a question mark of like, yeah, this could could lead to life or this could be traces of life or, know the big one is water if you can find water on another planet like stable water that's like huge because that's how you build life is through like water and then you have organic bacteria and stuff that evolves and you know that's how it started on earth. You got to mix stuff up. Yeah. We're just trying to find like planets that are in evolutionary stages that are like similar or can't produce life. Yeah. Well, there's the one moon around maybe Saturn or Jupiter called, um, it's like a water planet, basically. Oh, yeah. So it's

frozen on the outside, but it's like Io. Io, yeah, that's one of Jupiter's moons. So that one is like one we really want to go to and drill into it, though we got to be careful because we don't want to take any stuff up there accidentally that is like amoebas or whatever just can live in space on the outside of this drilling thing. But again, it's a giant thing of water,

and it's got heat on the inside somehow, I think because it gets stretched by the gravity of Jupiter. And yeah, good chance. Yeah, it's really interesting. But yeah, I think there's a fair number of satellites that are just dedicated to Jupiter and its moons. Is that right? Yeah.

They're just orbiting all the time? They're just collecting data on this stuff. It's pretty interesting. They're mostly NASA, right? It's like all the countries don't have that time. I don't know who's doing that. I think it's like an international effort. But yeah, it's interesting. I think it's like an international offer.

Yeah, it's interesting. They've been around for a while because it takes a long time to get to Jupiter with our current technology. But yeah, it's really fascinating. And then Jupiter is interesting because its mass is so huge. Even though it's so far from the sun, it actually changes the orbit of the whole solar system because it's like offsetting the mass of the sun.

You know, it's like every object has a gravitational pull, whether it's small or large. However small the forces are, when you drop an apple, the apple is obviously falling towards the Earth, but the Earth is also very, very small falling towards the apple. And so Jupiter, because of its mass, is like messing with the rest of the solar system. It also attracts a lot of asteroids that would have otherwise, you know, come through the solar system and wreak havoc

on other planets. It like captures those. Also its magnetic field is fucking huge and that also helps out a lot with our solar system. What does that do? I think it's the same thing with the asteroids. It like protects us from certain... Rays? Rays of certain things, I think. I don't really know that much about that.

I think that there supposedly is just four or five like majorly unique things that our solar system has. The moon is a big part of it. They don't think that if it wasn't like exactly one four hundredth the size of the Sun and then at a distance now that's like will block the Sun. It's like the distance is from Earth, has some sort of equation that's like, relates it to Earth distance from the sun. And all of that is really useful. Obviously it makes the tides, you know, which is like, again, kind of mixing stuff up on the planet.

If you're looking at it as a giant Petri dish, like you got to mix it up. Then the Jupiter, like you said, can suck up all the asteroids, so otherwise we would have been pummeled to death. Yeah, I was watching a documentary about Jupiter and they tracked, I can't remember when it was, but it was many years ago, they tracked a massive asteroid that hit Jupiter. And it was insane because they like kind of knew it was gonna happen based on the math and then It like kind of changed trajectories somehow and then they were worried that they weren't gonna be able to see the impact

Because it was outside of where it was visible on Jupiter. It was like in the dark part But then again it changed it and you were able to see it But it was like these massive, you know how Jupiter has like the gas giant, it was like you could see on the surface, these massive craters, and there was like debris going way, way up in the atmosphere of Jupiter. It was pretty huge. So really?

Yeah. That's cool. But it was crazy because we were able to see the whole thing. Well, it doesn't have any solid anything, right? It's just gas. Yeah. Now down to the middle which is probably under immense pressure there might be something more solid.

What do you think would happen to the asteroid? Would it smash up? I don't know I mean it apparently because of its size it had a massive damage to it but I mean Jupiter is so big it wasn't like it hurt the planet at all But yeah, I mean it was such a big impact that we could see it. No clearly. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah. Yeah Jupiter also has like I think it's and we're from like 40 to 60 moons. It's like a crazy amount Oh, whoa. Yeah, and it has rings has a small strip of rings not as big as Saturn obviously, but it does have rings Okay. Yeah, all right, which is just like dust, right? Yeah

asteroids and shit. Yeah, okay Yeah, I mean Dude it's wild stuff and it's really cool. I think it's inspiring I think it's one of those things that for all of our flaws, all of our wars, all of the bullshit, the fact that in a sense, if you think about it, it's the wars that brought us the space program, which is kind of ironic and sad in a way. But you know, advancements in those missile technologies made, you know, the Saturn five or whatever it was called. And then we go do something beautiful with it.

Yeah. And there probably is no greater moment for mankind than watching the moon landing stuff. Oh yeah. I'm sure people were super excited to be humans then it's like, Hey, if we can do this, what else can we do? Yeah. And especially in the US, because it was such a space race, it was such a huge accomplishment and sense of pride for a lot of Americans,

because it's like, we did it. We reached the moon before the Russians. Like, it was a huge national event. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, I mean, I think in general, like space travel, space travel is important because, you know, like I said, it's not about what we're doing now. It's about like what we can do in the future and setting ourselves up for, for the future of space travel. 100% and Dr. Harold White is doing that for us. Thank God for smart dudes like this.

And for like. Oh, I wanted to ask you a question. Do you remember in the podcast when he was talking, Joe was trying to ask him if there could be a secret group of scientists working on this advanced technology that we don't know about. Do you think that's possible?

Well, that's like the, shit, what the fuck is that guy's name? Bob Lazar stuff. Yeah. Yeah. It's like been reported that we are reverse engineering things that may have been given to us, kind of quote unquote gifts. And other countries have similar technologies

that they're trying to reverse engineer. And it's very interesting if that is true, why we would get given it, I don't know. Yeah, who knows? And I don't know what it means, but they are not telling us, dude. No chance. I will say like, despite all of the new UFO stuff and all

of the doubt that's been thrown around, the Bob Lazar story is one of the ones that I still believe. I still believe that, too. He seems super legit. They kind of sandbag in that documentary that he's supposed to be coming out with. They've been working on it for a while. I don't know why it's going so slow, but I'm excited for it. I think it's it's gonna be

They had one on Netflix Now or I don't know if it's still there, but I remember a while ago Yeah, there's a there's a Bob one there was there was one out there I saw that one that was a new one really delves in like they've made like not prototypes But like models of it all really and supposedly he kind of like walks you through like how his day would have been, what he was looking at and seeing. So really cool visuals. Yeah. I don't know where you go from there. I mean, look, these things are interesting,

but it's like, we're not getting more, um, actual evidence. It's just lots of stories and they're interesting. But it's like, can someone get a piece of something that is legit undeniable? Just one thing, yeah, please. One thing. Yeah.

That would be nice. Like an alien pencil sharpener. That's all we're asking. We're like, well, that's clearly aliens. Love it. Well, on that note, thank you Sean. Yeah, thanks for having me. I'm glad this didn't freak you out this time. This was a good one. Bit more fun. I was excited when you sent me this one. Yeah and good old Harold. Hopefully he comes up with some

dope ass propulsion stuff and You know what? It helps humanity. That would be nice. We'll find out. All right, thanks everyone. We'll talk to you next time. Bye. Bye.

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