Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 446 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Dr. Zahi Hawass

Episode Date: May 28, 2025

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This might either be the worst podcast or the best one of all time. Two, one, go. Enjoy the show. Hey ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Joe Rogan experience review. This week we are reviewing Dr. Hawass. My guest today is good old Peter. What's cracking? Oh, not too much. Glad to be here. Thank you for having me. Cheers. So let's start with the major controversy that has happened here. Rogan describes this as maybe the worst podcast he's ever had to do. He was patient, but certainly struggling to keep his patience on this one.

What were your thoughts? It seemed like he was talking to a brick wall. Bad, right? It was really weird from, I w I had, uh, I watched it and I actually may listen to it in pieces because I Was just like shouting at my headphones like what about the 80 ton bricks? He kept talking about these four ton bricks Those ones aren't very problematic the the ones that cause issues are the ones that are like 80 tons. How do they do that? Yeah.

That's not even to mention the ones that are, that comprise the base of the pyramid, which are, they don't even know how much that way. They have huge ranges for those base pieces. And those base pieces might be built upon a, might be the structure of a far older structure. Right. Which actually is how it works in Greece. You know that, right?

Oh yeah. Yeah, the Parthenon's built on those like hundreds of tons blocks. Yeah, which they think would place there way long before they made those, and they have no idea how that happened. So you're just like, okay. We're not saying it's aliens, but you know, if you don't research it and look at it, then how could that's Graham's thing? Just investigate it. But why is it so important for him to say we have all the answers? Do they think in the, you know, and we hear this from Graham, like, you know, archaeologists want to be able to tell you they know the answer so that we think that they know what they're talking about.

But why is it a problem just to say, hey, actually, we're the best at this and we still don't know? Isn't that reasonable? If he had come on this podcast and been like, all right, here's what I've researched. Here's what I've looked at. Also, realistically, there's some major unknown questions here, and I'm happy to explore them just like you are. It's it's like he came on with an agenda. For sure. It's like he came on with an agenda. For sure.

He definitely did. And it was to gatekeep and to keep his power structure intact. Dude, he lost so much credibility on this. I don't even think he realizes what he did. The whole, when he says, I'm a scientist and I look at the evidence, what's in front of me, completely lose. It's a, it's a contradiction because he's not looking at what's right in front of them. Let's evaluate this new evidence. Scientist, right? Yeah. Put it into the, put it into the picture. How much cooler would it be if he was like, what a mystery we are uncovering.

Incredible mysteries. This is going to keep us busy for decades. We don't know now or we really never knew. And that would lend credibility to him versus what he did. Yeah, yeah. Smoke a cigar really weird. I was about to say that too. He was cheaping on it like the last end of a high school school is blunt.

Like, yeah, come on. He has a mouth, actually his mouth and his whole demeanor is offensive to me. It was, it was a struggle and it was a shame. I was really hoping that he'd be more open about, you know, and I'm kind of hoping that it doesn't destroy, you know, Hancock's chances of getting back out there, you know. He's banned from the pyramids. No, he said he could. He was hanging out with this guy again. He's like, cool with him. So we'll see how long that lasts after this. But also, you know, he's like, come here,

we'll show you how to, I'm like, okay, maybe they can do it. But I don't think it's as simple as how you're describing. And he's like, it's in my book. Well, all right. Well, you should have brought it and you should have brought your computer, you wanker. Yeah. And you should have followed up with Jamie

with some pictures. Remember that part? If you were just listening to it, uh, you may have missed this, but at the point where he was like, yeah, well, follow up with, you know, photos and evidence and all the rest of it in, you know, a week from now. And Jamie just wrote a little thing.

He never gave us those pictures. I've never seen that in an episode ever. It was like pulling teeth from a toothless individual. Dude, it was game changer. You know, and if anything, it's made, like if he came on to like push a narrative, which was it was all just made regular by great stone nations and it's all reasonable and that's how it was done.

And the timeline is perfect. I couldn't believe in it less now That's what it did for me Yeah, yeah, I can vibe with that. Uh-huh. I'm like, oh shit the aliens did make it I Just like what is the big deal about saying humans have been here a lot longer than what we've first modern humans have been here for a long time and maybe a million years longer than we thought we were here for. Is there like is that terrible to look for the evidence for that? Like it's mind boggling to me.

They I think it was in the 80s they found a fossilized modern human head skull encased in stone in Morocco and it was they were first thinking that it was oh just some paleo hominids that were not modern humans but then it turns out they had burned their flint to make it work better. You burn flint in order to realign the crystalline structure to make better stone tools. When you do that, you lock in new structure for these flint tools that allow for dating. It is older than 50,000 years, of course, because they're encased in rock. 30,000 years of course because they're encased in rock but this is just another example of

aberrant data on the edges of their data set that they kind of brush off and That is just not scientific. We got to get to the bottom of this you don't do it by just Gas lighting and gatekeeping. If I'm to use some terms. Yeah, yeah. Gatekeeping is a big problem. I don't care for that at all. You see in all areas of life, and I don't think there's a benefit for it. You know, it doesn't bring in new ideas. I think it brings in, you know,

stubborn ignorance in a way. And it just keeps you stuck. And it it's like what are we trying to do? What's the big deal? Let's bring some ideas into the mix and really explore them Yeah, I don't really understand what the word about it was being wrong You lose me you lose me when you do that. When I can clearly see through you. Let's get into some of the specifics of what he was talking about. I mean, when he jumped to, you know, oh, we did the research, I discovered everything. Like that's a red flag. That's a red flag. When you say I that much

about you having a team I can't imagine working with him I you would be a slave to him you just puffing on cigars and why do you take every other illuminated text or hieroglyphics as canon like everything he's talking about is set in stone literally but the all there's another hieroglyphic that talks about King Kings they go back 30,000 years right and though he's okay with the last ten but the but as before that it's all legend and fable and and not evidence that doesn't seem why would you take that bit and not that bit yeah also what about the hieroglyphic that

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Ends June 15th 2025 at 1159 p.m. Eastern Standard Time Like there's a top at the top in that temple at the top. Yeah Of I think it's a top of a plinth Yeah, that's Explain that there's a was yeah that what are what are those shapes? Because you draw a shape like that unless you saw a shape like that, which is kind of wild, really, you know?

I mean, it's not like there's inventions from 200 years. It's not like there's a train on one of them. It's almost like they're like, oh, we gonna we're gonna give you a message that you'll Like will be so clear to you at a certain point in time that you cannot deny it See if you can figure it out And I'm not throwing out the baby with the bathwater here I'm sure he's done a lot of great work and research and maybe his iteration of this is correct. I'm okay with accepting that if it's correct. That's fine. It just didn't. Let's look at

the other evidence. Exactly. Yeah I'm not saying what he the work he's doing is not good and at times you know I just. It just didn't sit well with me. Right. So think about it from like a Rogan podcast where he has like a political commentator on and you're just sensing that it's bullshit. It's like, it doesn't mean that he hasn't done good work at some point or her, but thank you. It's giving you, bit of a feel for like maybe this is

bullshit dude. And he would go back to his book a few times and Rogan even was like trying to be polite like doing a great job I think. And he was like, oh, the book, okay. Like it was just driving him nuts because dude, Rogan has done enough of these. He may be the podcast that has the most hours in podcasting of all time. I think he's, if there was a chart just for like the most hours ever talking to somebody, he might be winning that one too. It'd be close. Maybe there's some other psycho out there doing it, but you know, he's learning a lot every time.

And he's just like, his bullshit meter is not bad, right? It doesn't mean it's perfect, but you've got to assume that it's like better than a lot of people's. I would, that's one of the things that I would notice is Joe might not know the exact pronunciations or timelines of discovery for lots of this stuff, but he knows more about the pyramids and the Great Pyramid, probably specifically, than anybody you or I know. Oh, 100%, dude.

He was like, well, what about the 80 to 100 ton blocks below that? And it was never even talked about again. Yeah. They float them down the Nile. It's fine. He's like, they float them down the Nile. It's fine. Joe was like, it came from the mountains. He's like, no, no, it came from a stone quarry right next to the, and I'm like, yeah, maybe it is as simple as like, they just wait for the floods. They just float them down the river. But it also doesn't explain why the fuck they, why? Why put those blocks in the middle of that thing?

Seems like a shitload of unnecessary work when you're building the rest of the pyramids with like two ton blocks. Those two ton blocks are like the filler pieces supporting the structure. Those two ton blocks are like the filler pieces supporting the structure and that that structure like Clearly is not a tomb It is not a tomb if the tomb is a tomb the king sarcophagus is like seven feet tall, right? And it specifically weighs or to be generally weighs like 30 tons of

carved diorite And that diorite is almost And you almost can't scratch it with the diamond. It's that hard, right? And and the old kingdom didn't have iron they had they they think they cut these stones with silica imbued ropes copper tools That's it. It's just literally impossible. There's two kinds of hieroglyphics. There's the kind that are in the diorite etched a few millimeters into the diorite and they are just like the hieroglyphics of the Old Kingdom. And then the old kingdoms are scratched in and painted They are not and when they tried and there's also this clear

after the fact Scratching on the diorite, which is just a thumbnails mark on those things of hieroglyphics. They could barely scratch that stuff The whole thing was not addressed and I guess it's just it's a I'm getting worked up over here about it. I need to I need to take a take a take a drink of this. Let's take five. Let's take five. No, I think you're right, man. I here's the thing, right? It's like two things could have happened on this. He

could have come on been open minded. have come on, been open-minded. It would have persuaded me. It's way easier to believe that the actual narrative could be real. If you really think about it, it's fun to jump into conspiracies. But if you just take everything at face value, It takes a lot less energy and there sometimes is a reasonable story behind it. And in order to create that narrative, it doesn't hurt to be open to other ideas, right?

If you just address it like, yeah, you know, it does seem unusual that they could place all those blocks and the, you know, hundred ton blocks or whatever, the 10 ton blocks, like the bigger ones were, you know, kind of odd to put in those places. Also, we don't fully understand their construction methods. He came in like he was fucking there, dude.

Right. And I'm like, he's my research, my book. I was like, all right, this motherfucker wants to sell a book. That's number one. He should have brought one. He should have brought one for Joe and Jamie. Maybe it's not very good, dude. How could it be? And they're like, is it online? Can we look on? He goes, why would I put online? It's in my book. Like that's the dude it

just from a standpoint of book selling. This was the worst book selling attempt of any guess that ever went on Rogan. I would say and I've reviewed a lot. You have? Yeah, personally. Yeah, I did it. Yeah, you have yeah person yeah I did it yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah whether you like it or not I'm like probably the foremost reviewer of oh gee I'm just getting to work that about the wasp some more dude let's go just there's so much more to it let me leave the scroll down here We're I'm jumping over all over the place We're not in a rush

We're gonna get to the bottom of this dude. We're gonna get to the bottom Find out why? Like what do you think the motivation is to be gatekeeping like this? I think it has something to do with his position. His also is tied to the land. He did say that the people that constructed the pyramids, the pyramids were the genetic forebears of the people that,

so the people that made it are related to the people that are there now. Right. I think that has a lot to do with his pride and ego, a lot of a lot of ego. I want to ask him why, why after the Great Pyramid, which is the oldest, if I'm correct, if I'm not, I'm sorry, but every pyramid after that is worse. Right. Way, way worse. Yeah, that's interesting. The Great Pyramid is mathematically perfect.

It's geographically perfect. It aligns with the stars, at least it did 12,000 years ago. And I think a lot of it has to do with his ties to the land and his position as the gatekeeper. I'm sure he goes to all the best parties. Yeah, and it does sound like he's been in the echo chamber, like people are kissing his ass, you know, everything he says is gospel. You know everything he says his gospel Because I mean he shouted over Joe for like two plus hours Joe did a really good job about like just kind of like

Glancing over at Jamie and like oh my goodness, dude. You know what this is done. You don't fuck with Joe Rogan Let me tell you that much he is gonna have on the whoever the scientists are that like discovered the structures underneath. He's gonna have them on. He's probably gonna text Elon and be like, can you make satellites that can just so he's gonna get to the bottom of this himself. This is annoyed Joe. I guarantee it. And he's in a position where he's always been a curious guy. And he's like, you know what? I'm going to find out what the fuck is going on over there. And I hope he does.

There is the pyramid. There's shafts that they just label ventilation tunnels and they send a rover down it. Shafts that they just label ventilation tunnels and they said they send a rover down it there's these things that I'm they these cool robots go in there they cut a hole and they go in and Before you know it it's blocked by a weird door. It's not a ventilation chamber if it's blocked No, what was it for? There's no answer to this stuff. What do you think? Throw out a theory. Jeez. Like, okay. Cheese is for cheese. I said, geez.

It would have been, would have been a cool theory though. Cheese making plants. There's a professor I've listened to and follow his work named Robert Garland. And he is an ancient historian. And he talks about the great pyramids. And he talks about how that because they're there in the Old Kingdom, which is not that long ago, compared to the. As old as the thinks is, this thinks is like what, like they've decided 15000 years old from Robert shock's work. Yeah Yeah

dirt El Medina dirt El Medina, I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly is a dedicated work camp of high-level craftsmen and I didn't hear that mentioned once I Didn't hear that mentioned one time. That's Just some stuff that you probably didn't have a hand in unearthing. So if it doesn't fit into his purview of his world, then he just throws it out. These guys weren't the ancients that... I'm going to say, I think they were created long ago through Robert Shock's work about the erosion of the Sphinx and how the Sphinx probably had a lion's head instead of a Pharaoh's head so they recrafted it and

repurposed it. There's just so many questions. Yeah and he did not fill me with confidence, I'll tell you that much. You know? It was like, let's assume everything he said was correct. He was the worst ambassador to deliver that message. Oh, that's perfect, actually. Right? Totally. So again, baby bathwater.

Like, I'm sure he's doing some stuff. But I don't think he is the best ambassador for this. And it doesn't hurt to throw like, okay, so Egypt Cairo, the legacy of what the pyramids are, I mean, to be fair, the pyramids weren't there. That's just a desert kind of place. You know, it's like whatever. I don't know. Egypt's economy isn't great. It's kind of volatile.

You don't necessarily want to go over there on vacation. Sometimes I would say that it's dangerous. If it didn't have the pyramids and the other things, I don't know what the appeal would be So if you want to spruce that place up and make it really inviting how about create some exciting mystery around it I

Think it would be massively impelling if they just went. Oh, you know what? We think that it could have been. Oh, here's this new technology, satellite tomography, right? A new tool. Come check it out. There's like 600 feet of chambers underneath that we haven't looked at. Like, come explore with us. Add it to their museum. Also, how are those granite pots cut that are perfect? And they're like, oh yeah, they just chipped away at them. All right, dude. Good luck. They're more accurate than a potter's wheel.

Like, you can't spin a pot more perfect than these objects. Yeah. I love it when Rogan had that engineer on. I don't know if you remember this one yet, dude. It was so good. And he was just like, well, people basically would bring things to me, different types of technology,

and it would just be like a pot or a thing. And they'd be like, reverse injured knee of this. Like figure out how it was made. And it's very complicated to do. You could imagine that somebody would get very good at reverse engineering some things, you know, they could get good at it. And it just accidentally led him into examining some of these this ancient pottery. And he's like, the precision is unmatchable.

Like we could do it today, but we would need computers. We would need so many things like the. The resources necessary to do it. And they're like, oh, yeah yeah they just collected water in this or Kept the beats in there they they would put onion soup and beer in these perfect vessels Yeah, that is still perfect because when you cut it out of that stuff No matter how it was stored For two plus thousand years. It doesn't even have a chip in it.

You could throw it out of a plane probably and it would just bounce. Some of them are broken and some of them, their lips are cracked or their handles. Oh, there's some of those, yeah. There's many that are intact. But dude, think about it. Any that are intact. do you think about it any that are intact any with that much time? It's like yeah, what this isn't like a wooden table none of those made it bro Everything in the Old Kingdom was made out of an alabaster Which is a very soft stone like marble right?

So I think the marble is very closely related to it. So you can cut that out with a key. You could just Calve. Whittle that thing down, yeah. The, one more thing about the diorite vessels, what the engineer was talking about was, yeah, we can make this,

but we have to spin this blade this fast and the progression rate is going to be evident and slower than what we see on the diorite. So the diorite was cut with a slower circular saw maybe or lathe and the progression was faster. So the evidence of the tool marks are bigger. What we can do is we can make very fine cuts spinning at a high rate of speed with a slow progression where they had a slow rate of speed and a fast progression. It just blew his mind. Right. He's like, we can't do this. Yeah. And he didn't really have an answer for it either.

It was just like, okay, that's what it looks like and I don't know. And. The baramates. The baramates. The baramates. The baramates. That's not how he says it.

Brrrr. Remember when he was correcting Joe on how to say his name? Zawas. Yeah, he was pretty hostile and Joe even said a few times he was like hey you don't need to argue with people that aren't here. I'm giving you the biggest platform in the world for as long as you want. Come in and be persuasive. And he was like, will you introduce me in Houston? Joe's like, no.

I mean, I would. He probably would if he had asked him a month earlier. I'm like, I don't know how popular you think you are, bro, but you need to slow your roll. how popular you think you are bro but you need to slow your roll huge ego I used to watch those unveiling the pyramid secrets live episodes on ABC oh they yeah they were fun they were fun but it never got anywhere now I was like okay let's know it was like Bigfoot it was like the Bigfoot show Let's take a peek ghost hunters remember ghost hunters. They're like, oh we saw an orb I'm like, I think it was a moth

That's a moth buster. It's a moth, dude Yeah They don't if they actually found anything good. They're not showing us. That's what that guy was telling me. Like that's what I was hearing from him. If they found something real good, they're like, we ain't telling no one. It's also probably sold to somebody in that, in the, in the obviously less than honest Egyptology industry. It's foundations are on grave robbing.

Yeah, that's a good point. The only iron they found was in, well, one of the only iron pieces they found was in King Tut's tomb, and it was a meteorite dagger that they melted down and made into a dagger. Other than that, copper, brass, gold, silver, electrum, no other metals. Hmm. You can't cut diorite with that stuff.

Yeah. What can you cut that with? Either the same thing or diamonds? You have to have like tungsten carbide, you have to have a diamond tip, you have... It's like a nine or an eight on the Mohs hardness scale, which is just... It's like a sapphire. Maybe a little less than a sapphire, maybe it's like a seven. Okay. It's incredibly hard. Yeah.

Unscratchable, nearly, with your hand, with a piece of copper, you can't scratch it. No shit. We could like throw those pots around all day. Nothing. There's another guy with the ponytail, I think is he a kiwi that comes on Rogan? Or an osse?

That talks about these pots quite a bit. I forget his name Sorry, sorry everybody. Um So a ponytail he's like a thicker guy well, he's a one of the die-right experts. Oh No shit. I'm gonna have to look that up. Oh, maybe we can find that and put it in there I'll look it up. We'll put it in the bio, put it in the bio link. But yeah, dude, I listen, I'm going to put, I'm going to put like four or five of my favorite YouTube videos in the bio.

If you've listened and you're just like, all right, well, but he's also the expert. I'm like, yeah, I get it. But also check these out and look at these questions and just see, see if something doesn't sit right with you. And it just seemed like he wanted to make, he's like, come, come to Egypt right now and, and I'll show you how these things are made you know I wish Rogan would honestly even though he probably feels like it's a waste of his time but like go

there and see if they can chop out a two ton block and how long it would take and how perfect it is like go take you know a tape measure and the perfect measurement machine and just see how accurate it is. It's like, hey, if they, if they can do it with primitive tools and do it quickly, maybe I'm back on board. I'm not saying that I'm not, but it, it's made me raise more questions, dude. It's made me more suspicious than Anything I've ever heard and I don't think that was Rogan's plan I think that he wanted to like just kind of find peace for himself like oh, maybe it was like this I Mean, he's the foremost Egyptologist It's he that's a big deal.

Yeah, I think it's a big deal, but it's no, it is for sure. Yeah, he did. Yeah, he didn't. He did not win us over and he's pushed us, pushed us away. It's another it's like, what are you hiding then? Or why are you afraid of the truth? Why don't we look at not the truth? Why are you afraid of potential new evidence? He didn't have anything to say about the

He didn't talk to the Italian team that did the tomography Mm-hmm not very he's not very he's he's listened to another guy who says says isn't he's like Just kind of dismissing all that new Potential evidence well if you if you watch the episode back, and I've watched it twice, he keeps saying he's not a scientist, even though he has the PhD or whatever. And then every now and again, he'd be like, I'm a scientist, Joe. Yeah.

Show me the, like, that, that is not a language barrier thing, Pete. That is just nonsense. That is basically Joe being like, I'm not the authority here. I'm just a comedian. And then giving himself an out, which is fun. I love that. I respect it. I think we have podcasters can do it because that's the only way to safely

explore something that is pushing the limits. But if you're the authority, if you're the top guy in Egypt, don't jump back between I'm not a scientist, I am one, I am, I'm not, I'm not. Because at no point does Joe go, I am the authority on this, unless you're talking about the UFC. He stays in his lane.

I don't understand why people get on Joe's case for just being a podcaster. And he's just talking to people. He got too popular, dude. That's what it is. You get that popular and people are mad that they're fucking nerds they listen to aren't as popular. I can't tell you how many times I've had conversations

with people that love CNN and they're just like, well, he's not a real journalist. I'm like, no, I don't think he thinks he is either. Well, you know, Don Lemon is. And I'm like, yeah, but he's also a clown and he says really just dumb shit. So actually your dumb shit is dumber when you say you're a real journalist than if a comedian is saying some things and it happens to sound a bit dumb. Whatever he says ends in a question mark.

He's not saying, declaring much. He's saying, well what about, what about, how did they raise this block that's 18 tons, 45 feet in the air? And you know, oh it was a mud construction and they brought it 500 miles away on a boat made out of reeds to here, wouldn't flood times. Yeah, it's he's just asking questions. Right. And Hwas was being a bit of a cunt. I love it. I have to agree. I mean, it's it's harsh to say, you know, but it just kind of is. It's how I felt about it.

And it was it was kind of a bummer because I I really wanted an opportunity for them to just like you know for him to just be a bit more open and it was completely closed off and. I don't know what the motivation for that is but either way it's worth listening to especially because Rogan said this might be the worst part he's ever done. And listen, when I say that, it doesn't mean it's not worth listening to. It just means that it was the most annoying fucking thing that he's ever had to sit through. And he's a patient dude. For sure. Three hours, five times a week with a bunch of different people.

And, you know, people have annoyed him here and there. Candice Owens got on his nerves about climate change. He's had, who was that dork that he brought on that was like, couldn't make his mind up about gender and was trying to defend it. I forget. I forgot the name of that guy Yeah, but you know I'm talking about I do know what I'm talking. Yeah anyway, also the member Is his name scribble or dibble? Oh Flint? Yeah, Flint dibble. I mean this guy has been described as the Egyptian version of Flint double like just a gatekeeper to archaeology and I mean, this guy has been described as the Egyptian version of Flint Devil.

Like just a gatekeeper to archaeology. And, you know, I think and this is what they were worried about. This is why the archaeologists are so defensive is because they don't want to lose their grip on people believing that they are the most knowledgeable. But I think that the motivation behind it is the fact that they know that they don't really have the answers for things. So they held onto it so tight that they basically became snake oil salesmen in a way. It's like, I just want the prestige, but I don't really know how anything works and They are losing confidence Damage the whole conversation. Yeah

Yeah, it's like politicians that won't apologize We do not trust you more you dorks Don't do it Because people aren't stupid dude don't do it because people aren't stupid dude you know people are not and we know when we're being fed bullshit and it just sounds a lot like it sounds like there's some bullshit going on absolutely well I say it's worth watching Pete obviously got riled up. I love that. Sorry, everybody. My goodness. And I had kind of similar feelings.

And if you look online, go to the bio of this. There's a bunch of videos I'm going to post right now from YouTubers that just kind of broke this down. And they're short. They're like 10 minutes. And it just kind of gives you an idea of like, I don't think anyone was sold on this. Nobody moved, like went away from this podcast being like, you know what, he had some really good points. And that was probably true. And now I'm sold on this whole process. It is

maybe the best example I've ever seen of how not to sell your idea to millions of people. Final thoughts, Pete. It's worth listening to because you'll never hear somebody talk for two and a half hours and say less. He said he didn't have much in the way of answers for Joe. I agree. I agree.

Go check it out. Look at the shit in the bio. It's going to be good. And Pete, as always, thank you and everybody else. I hope you enjoyed it. We'll talk to you next time. Adios.