Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 448 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Oz Pearlman

Episode Date: June 8, 2025

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One go enjoy the show Hey guys and welcome to another episode of the JRE review This week I'm joined by Nick Nick is back from lesser-known operators. What's up, Nick? I'm joined by neck neck is back from lesser known operators what's up nick. Just hang out in the basement man ready to give some pearls of wisdom here yeah the all the pearl mints of wisdom. That's right this week we are talking about all's power man all's is a mentalist and entertainer and endurance runner. Just a bit of an all-around extreme individual, I would say. And to even just say he's an endurance runner, when you can win four marathons in a row, that's something else right there.

I mean, it's one thing to run a marathon, but to win them? What is even going on there? I mean, it's not like he's 20. He got into it in right in the beginning. And that kind of was a theme for everything that he does. He has the ability to control his thoughts and how he, his mind is now, some of that comes with failure, like the first time he did that endurance race, he, his mind is. Now some of that comes with failure. Like the first time he did that endurance race,

he quit, you know. Right. But you need that setback. You need that setback in your mental game to drive you forward. And so he just started refining it. And yeah, running a marathon's hard. Walking a marathon's hard.

Yeah. It's just a long time of focus because everything starts to hurt after a while. But if you can overcome that in your mind or you can train yourself to where your mind just gives up because your body is way stronger than your mind, your mind will always quit. Like unless you are hurt, actually injured, hurt, your mind is what's gonna hold you back, not your body. You are way stronger than you think you are. You know, this is interesting that you say this, because this is why whenever I think of like,

special forces training, right? The hell week thing that, you know, I've only ever watched shows about, and it's like this extreme endurance stuff where they keep you awake you just got to keep pushing and pushing it's like I've done physical things that I've felt are hard right it but it's relative to me whether it was like some sports that I was doing maybe some jiu-jitsu lessons that you know

classes that were just hammering me and honestly, there's a breaking point for me real quick But what's interesting about it is it just gets to a point where I really think that I'm injured Like I can't tell myself to like I'm just like well, I'm not gonna actually injure myself Now there probably is no injury there I'm just being a bitch and I'm pushing out and I can't continue because it's painful. But I just honestly cannot even fathom the mindset of people that are like, like when he did 150 miles, it must feel like your feet and legs are broken, that you've blown your kneecaps out and yet you just keep

going like do they actually not care about being injured or do they tell themselves that it's really not happening and just keep going I just don't even get the mindset in some of the things I've done and I'm not speaking for my colleagues or anything like that, but you get to a point in your mind where it's And it sounds cheesy like to say this right people will say failure is not an option. Well, it's not even a thing It's just I'm going to complete the task. That's the only way forward and or I'm gonna fucking die. I don't care how much it hurts. I don't care what I have to do

I'm going to get there and Perfect example When we go to a selection your feet get destroyed the most You start getting a blister and it's not going to get any better. So you're running thread through these blisters and you're in constant pain. So what are you going to do? You just have to deal with it. You have to say, I do not give a shit. Like this pain is not a joint. It's not a major, it's not cutting off circulation to my brain or anything. I it's just pain.

That's all it is. You know, like I said, the difference between hurt and injured and, but, but right, you have to put yourself in that situation in the past to recognize. I'm fine. Right. And if you don't consistent, yes, not even consistently consistently because some of the stuff I've done in the past, like it's long time ago. But but when a situation comes up, where I go, stop being a little bitch, you used to do this, I

can do it again. There's some discipline involved in there, right fall off with their training. But it's you have to be in control of your emotions. Yeah. No, I believe that it's because that's what I don't feel that I have when something physical that I'm doing is too hard. I immediately am psyching myself out. I'm telling myself I don't need to push this hard. I'm not doing this for any reason. So just like you said, you put the task ahead of yourself. The task is the finish. Yourself is second.

I'm not doing that in my mind. The task is just a thing I was doing. So already I'm quitting potentially as soon as it gets hard. And then that difference between pain and injury, like that surely must be just experience. And like you said, not even consistent, but just you've done it before, it hurt like this before,

and ultimately you were fine. See, I won't know the difference. I'll be like, ow, my knee really hurts. I think this is bad, I'm gonna stop. And then my knee is fine. my knee really hurts. I think this is bad. I'm gonna stop." And then my knee is fine. Yeah. Every time I tweak something in the gym, I find that if I just ignore it, it probably just goes away. But if I think about it, somehow it hurts worse. Really?

I heard somebody say that once and I went, that's pretty true. What if I just, cause I know you, you know, if you hurt yourself, you really do, whether you want to admit it or not, you know, if you hurt yourself, cause you, it's just feels different. You're like, Ooh, something's wrong. But if, if you're just honest and you think about, is this pain worth it? Well, you know, probably, because then I'm done and I'm done. And it's cheesy, right?

But quitting is the only pain that lasts forever. Right, and I think that's the difference and what makes someone like Oz or Goggins or any of these like extreme achievers Is yeah, they probably are at times actually Really hurting themselves. I mean they already say Goggins knees are like completely destroyed His feet are always broken and But his mind never is

So think of all the other things that he's been able to achieve because of it. Oz has, I mean, he ran a marathon before he came in and talked to Rogan. Like that is crazy discipline. To get his phone calls done in the morning. Yeah, that was wild. Super productive, getting all this stuff done. He has five kids as well.

Five kids, he said. I'm like, immediately you're a very interesting person if you're doing that. I don't even need to know anything else. Then he starts to get into all this mentalism stuff. So what was he? He was on a cruise ship getting inspired by this magician, followed him around and then that was it. After that, just practicing magic, practicing mentalism. He, from listening to him, he has structured the way he talks, the way he interacts with people, even with Joe, because Joe is like leaning forward listening to him.

Yeah. And it's his cadence and the way he's putting out information. It almost hypes you up. Uh huh. If you want to be with what's this guy going to say next? Oh, he's saying this is so interesting, but it's just the cadence of how he's talking. Sure.

He's just, he's got it all, all the information. So I feel like comparison I think I was messaging you about this a couple weeks ago. comparison everybody says this comparison is the thief of joy. That's not fucking true. You being envious of other people is the thief of joy. Yep. If I didn't see other green berets, I would have never become one. I would have never aspired to do that by comparing. I want to be like them.

And he saw that with somebody else. It's like, I like what this guy's doing. I think that would make me happy. I'm going to go all in on that. And then you become obsessed. Yeah. And then it's a benefit. Positive.

I think if he wasn't pouring all of his energy into doing the things he's doing, he would be depressed. Like if he wasn't running 25 miles a day, and if he wasn't getting all of these things done and have five kids like five kids is stressful. You need to bring that stress into your life and be super productive. So I think that he has to be it this way and he has to he found something that he really likes and he's tailored his entire life around being exactly who he wants to be. Yeah, yeah, that's definitely what I was picking up on as well. And just like you said, I mean, Joe was Joe was just how he is. He was skeptical. He kind of didn't like some things. When he guessed his pin number, he was like, I don't care for this. Like he was getting almost slightly annoyed.

But over time, just kind of won over with each of these little pieces. And Joe was so engaged and kind of blown away. This is honestly one of the most enjoyable rogans I've gone through in a while. I really liked the conversation. He was telling a story and he said it several times through there, you know you don't do your best stuff upfront. Yeah, yeah. He had the best flash and he had that right at the end, right? He was given, it wasn't, you know, they were telling a story for the audience, but he was working Joe the whole episode just given him little breadcrumbs. Yeah, leading him on and leading him on and it was just this, this up. It was an upward trend, but it was ups and downs on an upward trend, right? And he just had him hooked the whole time. And by the time he got to the heads or tails and then opening the envelopes,

he had him hooked like a sinker because he couldn't explain the first thing he did. Exactly. How the fuck's he gonna explain the things at the end? Well, you know, you got it. And he, that's why he said, I go on these serious news programs and things like this. And he's just a master at his craft, at reading people, but I think there's a cynical side

to that because he sees stuff at such a level that he's cynical of other people that maybe are having real experiences and he goes, I can explain that, I can explain that. So there's kind of this loss of whimsy in your everyday life as well when you become that good. Do you think he's probably really good at spotting like bullshitters?

Because I bet there's so many little micro communications with somebody that's like making up stories or has some sort of agenda to kind of like manipulate you. And he would be able to see that right away. That'd probably be a good skill to have, but they would almost be sad because you'd notice it in like tons of people. And you'd be like, ah, what are you doing, dude?

Perfect example. Joe's job is to talk, right? All he does on a show is talk. All he does in the UFC is talk. He doesn't stand up, which is the ultimate talk in front of people telling jokes that you've made up out of your head or situational awareness or things like this, right? Observational humor. This guy has so many conversations with people. And then if you just shift your thinking a little bit and you're looking out for these things, then you're going to start noticing them.

And then, oh, shit, there's more behind the curtain. Well, why are they, you know, why they look this way? Why they do this? And then you're analyzing everything. Eventually, and there's only so many things a person can do, look down, look up, kind of tilt their head to the side. It's like that sign stealing documentary

for Michigan State or Michigan. There's only so many hand movements you can do on the sidelines. And if you memorize all of them and then starts figuring out what they all do, it's not an infinite list of actions people can take. So this guy's so dedicated to getting them all in this spreadsheet in his head and then every interaction he has with people he writes down.

So he's just reinforcing his memory. So he's appearing superhuman when he's just dedicated to what he's doing. Right. And I think it's because it's such an unusual pursuit. So few people do it that it really stands out as magic. But like if no one had ever played the game of soccer, right. And there were just for whatever reason, no balls that existed in the world. We had other sports, other things. And then all of a sudden someone comes along and they can, like, bounce the ball up

and down on their foot and do a few tricks. It would look like magic because we just never see it. It wouldn't have existed. And it's probably something similar to that. Like, for example, if a lot of people were mentalists, if this was like a huge profession, all of this shit would be way less impressive because it'd be like, Oh, my uncle can do that. It's not even, it's not even that clever. I think a lot of people are,

if you're really successful in your craft, business or well name the business but anything to deal with people and working deals and things like that I think a lot of people are they just don't know it like some people can just talk to people and get them to tell them whatever they want right I I had it I started in construction when I was a teenager. And that's where you look like construction workers are fucking talking shit all the time. And so you grew up in that and it's all these different ways of conversing.

Well, then I got into bartending when I got old enough and then you learn how to turn it into conversing with customers to try and pull money out of them. Yeah. And then I got in the military and then I learned to turn that into some leadership traits. So all of these things, all these people, I think all of this is in people. It's just, they don't, don't believe in themselves. Like everybody can run a marathon. They can't, everybody can do it.

But you get to the point you don't believe in yourself or you don't want to do it. And then you start putting yourself down and you're like, No, that's that's not me. Now, don't get me wrong, you cannot do everything like you can't be good at everything. You could try, but you're not going to get there. If you dedicate your life to a few things, you can get really, really good to where it seems like magic. But I think the skills that he's displaying

are in everybody, but you have to get to such a level of commitment that it seems wizardy, wizardry to normal people. Yeah, and I think that was a lot of his point with mentalism, is it takes so long to even get any decent results, and there's a lot of failure. Like, it did sound a lot to me like stand-up,

and there's a reason that a lot of people don't stick with stand-up. I mean, when I started out in 2016, there were a bunch of open micers that were just brand new as well and we start to get to know each other. You kind of stick with like wherever your level is because you're often performing with the same people kind of on your level right? Brand new is like a crapshoot. There are some people that are very dedicated but they are just garbage for ages but they're always there,

they're always consistent. Then you get people that are naturally really quite funny. Like they just kind of have the like the it thing. But they don't stick at it. They can't even get close to sticking at it. They can't be consistent. Their life's all over the place and then they just drop off. Like you could, you almost can never guess who is gonna make it to the next stage. After a while, once people start to get paid to be on shows, you've got a bit of a feeling like who's going to stick at it and be good. But you know, you've just got to fail so many times and it's so painful. There are just plenty of people that are not designed for that. And I think mentalism is that way.

Like imagine how many times he's not guessed the pin correctly and looked like a fool. Probably a ton. But keep practicing. But he even said that he would do that and the crowd would still love him. So he's failed so many times that he knows how to recover from failing Yeah, or hide us Yeah, yeah That's true skill right there when you can fail at what you're really good at and then still sell it as a success

Yeah, well, you know Joe said about comedy they you get like the first minute not even you get the first joke Comedy they you get like the first minute not even you get the first joke Especially when you're new and if that bombs you've got to be up there. Maybe for five more minutes. You don't get to walk off so Good luck and do your best and to get anything after that is some of the greatest learning potential you can have for that profession be like the the recovery is, you're in a hole, dude. You're in a hole at that point. Just now was successful at any level and I'll go back to like the military and the qualification course, right? I was talking to a buddy of mine who is a cadre at the schoolhouse and he goes, man, you know, we're talking about

attitude going through the course and everybody had a different reason or way they succeeded but we were talking about students and he goes, man, if these students would come up to me and ask me a question about like a like a they needed to go to somebody's wedding or something like that it was right there 50% chance that they were gonna not make it through the course and then sure enough a few weeks later they'd see these people drop off because they're not dedicated fully to graduating and not every time but just he would it was the more students would have problems or even ask for stuff the more they would drop off and like right he's Oz is at the top of his craft who who else do you

know that is at the top of that game you mean you've ever even heard of of mentalism? Yeah, there was a well, I think that potentially what's his name, Blaine. They is a David Blaine. Yeah, I think maybe him. There's a guy called Darren Brown, British guy. Does like a lot of psychology mind stuff that's like really impressive. But yeah, very few, very few people.

Yeah. And maybe they call themselves fortune tellers or mediums because they're preying on people to for profit and things like that. No doubt. Potentially. There's been snake oil salesmen as far back as you can remember. Yeah, there's a lot of them on Instagram these days too. Buy my protein says the liver king. Like, all right, that guy. You know, one thing in this too that kind of, I don't know, it kind of changed my mind

and it's a bit of a bummer because do you remember the telepathy tapes? Had that lady on, Rogan did, and the telepathy tapes are like a series of podcasts about autistic kids that have shown that they almost have like mind reading skills, right? Though there's a lot of skepticism around it because of the way it could be done and who the person is that they're interacting with and blah blah blah. And

when he said, look I loved it, it was super interesting, you know, I wanted to believe in it, it's very cool. But when I saw a lot of what how they were doing it, he was like, oh this is like similar stuff to what I do. Like there is some sort of communication that is going back and forth. He's not entirely sure what it is, but he's, and he's not saying that it, maybe it is still some kind of telepathy,

but he would be able to tell if he was there, he thinks. And, and it kind of, it kind of ruined it for me now. I'm like, ah, shit, maybe it is not real. Now, that's just one person who is seeing things at a level you'll never get to, to where he sees so much. That's if you're in the trades, right? And you're a good carpenter, like really good. And you walk into a house and you just immediately see all the things that are wrong with it.

That's how you're going to look at, because this guy's curious, right? He's curious about how are they doing that to try and make himself better at his craft, right? I mean when he sees something like that, he's not looking at as Whether it's entertainment or scientific value. He's coming at the lens of I have all this experience in this area and That's what's pushing my opinion forward. How can I do that? Or how can I learn something from that? Where a normal person is not there.

Oh wow, that's really cool. So is that good? Is that bad? I don't know. Maybe it takes some of the fun out of life and discovering new things because you just can't shut your mind off? I don't know. Yeah, I get what you're saying. It's like when you're watching magic, you don't want that one

guy in the audience that can like debunk every trick because it ruins it for everyone. But if you're trying to run a scientific process to say, is someone telepathic? Or are they getting this information another way? That's, I think, when it's useful, right? The same as the carpenter. It's like, if I buy a house, I might look at it and be like, this house looks great, but I'm still gonna bring an inspector in,

because before I plunk down a mortgage of $500,000 or whatever the heck the house is worth, I need to know if it's actually built properly or not. I just won't have the skills to like figure it out. So that makes sense. Outsourcing. Exactly. We're outsourcing him to figure out if telepathy is real. I mean Rogan said he might need to set this up I think it would be great if they could get him in there and You know work with some of these kids and it just find out it doesn't mean that they're not exceptional They're still able to do like a really unusual thing

There's gonna be no no benefit in his life for that. Like, half of the internet is going to hate you so hard for picking on these kids. That might be true. Yeah, that might. So there's, if he really thinks about it, there's gonna be no benefit in that for him. It's only going to be hate. You know, the internet, the comment section as well as I do, and the hate mail, and people will come after you if you attack a less abled portion of the population. Or a perceived less abled portion of the population. True, but I don't even know if the autistic kids themselves are claiming that they are telepathic.

It's the people that are watching them do this thing. You know, I'd almost be curious, you know, if people have really asked them what they think is happening. You know, a lot of it is they're saying they see it in their mind, right? That's what the telepathy tapes would say. So I don't think it takes anything away from them potentially even in a negative light just to say hey These kids have an amazing set of sensory Capabilities they're able to pick up on the slightest changes and then they can turn that into accurate information I mean, well, that's almost cooler than telepathy So maybe there's a spin on this.

You are coming at that point from a reasonable and objective point of view. Yeah, the Internet's never going to do that. I'm sure that that's not going to be the case on the Internet. You're probably right. You're probably right. But I don't know. It was still interesting to me and it's and it's made me a little

skeptical. So now I want't know. It was still interesting to me and it's and it's made me a little skeptical. So now I want some answers But saying that what did you think about the fighter prediction bit? So he guessed the pin He did the fighter prediction He had Rogan just go through his Rolodex of fighters Rogan came up with 14 picked Amdus's silver to win and Then they he just kind of left it at that. The whole show just went on and you were like, OK, what was the point of that?

Breadcrumbs again, right now to get to that information. He has to set up the so the. The whole bit or episode was a setup to opening those episodes or those envelopes right? Yeah. So he already had a pre established unless it is actual magic. No, he says it's not. He says he's not. Maybe he's fucking lying. Maybe he's telepathic. And he's just passing it off as like I'm just a normal dude that just studied really hard. Maybe he does have actual magic. Who fucking knows? I don't know. I don't care. But I think he set all that up and led Joe to what he had in the envelope. Of course.

Somehow. It had to be that, right? With his skills. Or he spent years studying the amount the fighters that meant the number of times he said individual fighters names, who popped up the most. And then he took that information and goes, Okay, here is the fighter that I think or is at the top of the list over the last three years that he said, and then he influenced Joe into saying

that yeah somehow that subtly that we didn't even pick up on because I went I didn't even hear anything of him leading him in that way. So nothing surprises me when people do crazy stuff. I'm like that's fucking cool. But nothing surprises me, because if you're have you ever seen somebody deal a royal flush wearing a blindfold? Like just cutting the cards and then they'll deal the royal flush with a blindfold on. No. They can they.

Perceive the weight of the card based on the amount of ink on it. What? They've gotten so good at at feeling the different weights of the card based on the amount of ink on it. What? They've gotten so good at feeling the different weights of the cards that they can put them out there. So this guy is doing things that nobody's gonna see because he's worked at such a high level and he does his research. I everything he said he just so dedicated to these little things. He talked about the Joe burrow, um, set up, right? It's like he worked on that for two years.

Right. That's a fucking long time for a two minute bit. So I think this dude's just that crazy. I think so too. He worked to set Joe up for years on this bit. And he, when he got the chance he killed it Yeah, I mean look it's reasonable to assume that Picking that fighter was gonna be Anderson Silver. We all know Joe loves him, you know, he's done some wild things

He's done things that no one ever did in the octagon, you know, it's gonna be hard to ever do that again. You know, and, but then he was like, all right, how many would you say? And he's like a dozen, maybe two dozen. And then he was like, okay, we'll be more specific, get to an actual number. And I wonder if by like even just pointing his finger like this, or like raising it up, he's like, okay, half that number, two dozen,

and then add two, you know what I mean? It's like, it could be just like, if he can pull names out of people, surely he can put ideas in there, you would imagine. Yeah. I mean, imagine how lame the envelope would have been if he got any of those things wrong. But that's not the bit. Like he knew the outcome already.

So you know, it is lame, right? And we go back to failure. This dude failed so many times that he all of the training because Joe's biggest show in the world. Like how many people are more famous than Joe Rogan? Lionel Messi, Ronaldo, Donald Trump, maybe, maybe not even Donald Trump at this point. So you, he better have a shit together. That he was going to get the result that he wanted going onto that show. Because it's not like being on Rogan is the end all be all of your life, but that is the place to have the result.

Yeah. And he, he knew exactly what he was doing going into there. And now for, I don't even understand, I kind of know, like the dedication and the mental aspect of these things to be so good at something to just dedicate all of your free time while you're awake and while you're asleep to this thing. But you can't conceive that you have to be so obsessed that you're willing to and we go back to the pain you have to be so obsessed that you're willing to, and we go back to the pain, you have to be,

this is the only thing. Hitting that punchline of that bit on Rogan was a Super Bowl moment for this guy. Because the show went out to millions and millions of people all over the world. Yeah, and he nailed it, dude. Like I said, it wasn't just the cool things he did. He was super fucking interesting if he didn't do any mentalism stuff.

Let's say he just talked about his running. He's such a good storyteller, so much, all the right energy, he was non-confrontational, he was open to things, he also had a lot of knowledge, he's also doing difficult shit. It's like Rogan audience is the perfect audience for a dude like this. Like he's absolutely nailed this. And I'm buying his book. I'm buying his book. Come in. Even if he's starting to do my show, now I'll just go listen. When we got to do an episode. I'll go listen to the Rogan episode and be like

he his pauses in between thoughts his guest is talking and he's right at the end of it with a Question he's already formulated what he wants to say and where he wants to bring the conversation and That's only reps. That's only practice. You get so good at something that it's second, it's not even like second major, it just is. You're just there, you're where you wanna be. You can't get any better. Yeah.

You know? And then you meet somebody that is at the top of their field, this very obscure field, and you get somebody that's so good at podcasting and interviewing and talking, and then you suck them in, well, that's complete control over your audience. Sure. And then you've got Joe's audience too, because if you if the audience sees Joe is in like leaning forward, listen to this guy. Now, I've got everybody I got millions of people. Yeah. Follow my hand.

So, yeah. Well, you know, when he texts Shane Gillis and the guy didn't know who it was, but then this, he was able to guess the name of, you know, Shane's first crush and then Shane replies, that's a witch kill him. Like very funny, but that's also like kind of the perfect comedy response. It's like people shouldn't be able to do this as far as we can tell. They shouldn't be able to and it's wild. And you can imagine that the insinuation of that joke is that they will use it for evil things, right?

It's kind of it. It's like he needs to be stopped. That's too much power. And it's kind of true. I can see that. Didn't they bring up the witches at one point? Yeah. Well, they were basically saying like,

could people do this in the past? And I wonder if they were the people accused of being witches, you know? Maybe. What are they called? Male witches? Warlocks? Wiccan? Warlock? I don't know. But yeah. Yeah. If... Yeah, people do stuff you can't explain, like that's magical. But then if

they do stuff that you can't explain, but you don't even know that they're doing it to you, that's beyond that. You're just manipulating people to get them to a result that you already want, a predetermined result that you're leading them to. So you can do it in interviews. You've seen in documentaries, police will lead innocent people to confessing to a crime they didn't do. Right. How that takes some skill you know and time and bending and breaking the rules to get innocent people to confess to crimes they didn't commit.

It wasn't that like the idea of making a murderer that documentary you have watched that I Did yeah, yeah that like that poor kid up here, right? that like young kid that just seemed pretty dumb bless him and Those cops just kind of like force that into him I'm not saying he didn't do it like the justice system you figure it out But it just the way that they set it up in that documentary definitely seemed to imply that the cops just put that shit in his head. Yeah, there wouldn't be a need for innocence project or foundations of the like, if that wasn't the thing, people get stuff in their head,

and they will do whatever it takes to get to the result that they want. That's for in the their virtuous in their justice or seeking of justice. No, they're just a dickhead, you know, like, you don't actually want the truth. You just want to wrap this up. Where I don't think this guy is using it in any malicious way. He's just using it, you know, to entertain, to quiet down, whatever he's got in his head. He has to perform at this level because it's so difficult. This is such a difficult thing.

You know, and as he said, you can eat it hard. Like the cost benefit ratio, if you succeed, it's very cool. If you fail, it's very uncool. So, he, well, it's, I don't know. I think it just seems like he's a master at what he's doing, his mental mental state and where he wants to be Yeah, I mean throw it in the coin toss like multiple outcomes the fact that Joe even asked for another coin then the Muhammad Ali

Miles Davis One was interesting. He kind of, it was interesting because he said Miles Davis first, but then he goes, no, there was another one though, right? So I don't know if it was like, that was part of it and made it more accurate, or he just somehow got someone else's like name into Joe's head.

I don't know. I couldn't figure that one out at all, but I don't know. That couldn't figure that one out at all, but I don't know that wouldn't have been my guess like ultimate Podcast guest like I guess you could assume it would be someone that's dead But I'm surprised he didn't say Hunter S Thompson You know, there's there's another dude that's like the psychedelic guy, what the hell's his name? Dennis McKenna? What was it, Dennis?

Is that the one? There's two brothers. One's a mushroom guy, the other one is the philosopher, psychedelic guy. Anyway, those would have been my guesses, just knowing Rogan and what he's talked about but Muhammad Ali's a good Good guess too But just to put all your chips on that. I mean he had to get so many pieces correct it's

very interesting stuff to you I Don't know what that is. I if we knew everything that he knew it probably wouldn't be as crazy as we think it is. Yeah, we would have saw it all coming. We're like, oh, that makes sense. Complete control of your operational environment. Yeah. I wonder what like nefarious things you could do with it. Like would it be vast?

You know, would you be able to just like sell people anything, convince them to invest in every idea you have? Like, I wonder what the level of that could be potentially. Defrosting the elderly, getting lonely women to fall in love with you online and steal all their life savings. We know people do that shit. Yup.

If you don't give a fuck about people, you can really do some damage. And the general public doesn't think people are coming to them from a place of negativity. They want to assume. We really generally want to assume that people aren't out to hurt us. Because that sucks, right? If you're just always thinking everybody's out to get you, whether that's a lack of experience or just misplaced trust in people. You wanna think everybody's as good as you think you are.

Well, that's not even true. So people can play on that and get things from you that you don't want to give them because you have this predetermined trust of the general population. Yeah, or you at least wanna believe that the very kind people that you're talking to or people that sound very kind are the ones that should be at least trusted somewhat. So when they turn on you, because again,

it's all nefarious, like it's, it kind of shakes your world because you're like, wow, now I can't tell who is going to screw me over. I think that's why, you know, especially for teenagers that breakups, you know, that first love or someone cheats on you or those kinds of things like stay with people for so long.

They kind of really mess them up for a good amount of time because well one they haven't experienced it before but it but this is someone that they trusted so much and then a different outcome happened and it rocks your world. It's like it's hard to recover from those things. Well, the lack of experience there, the first time something happens to you, that's going to stand out the most. I really don't remember winning in sports in high school. I remember all of my losses though. Really? I remember, I more, I don't know more I don't know. I don't know.

Finally is the right word, but more steered in my memory is when I went to special forces selection and got medically dropped the first time. How shitty that felt because I got lumped in with all the people that quit. I couldn't bend my knee, but Hey, you got to go over and hang out with those people and listen to their excuses and things that hurt so bad that I didn't let anything like that happen. When I went back and then I went through the course, it was such a, it was such a painful experience for me that I used it to turn into a, a monster. Really?

I went back and absolutely dominated because I didn't want to feel like that ever again. Yeah. But I was obsessed with getting to my goal. I didn't care what the pain was. I didn't care what it took to get there. I didn't care if I had to sacrifice my friends, my family, everything else,

just to not feel that way again. We get back to being in control of your mental state. You are in control of your emotions, no matter how much you tell or other people tell you you're not. You choose whether to be an asshole or a good person or successful or a failure because, you know, they say, like, there's multiple people. No, you're one person.

The problem is choice. You have to choose what you want to do. You can choose to be an asshole. Or you can choose to be a nice person you are it's the same person. You're not a different body. You might act differently might met self medicate with booze you might like, you know, take your problems on other people, but you choose what to do with the experiences and the negative things that happen in your life. Like he ran this ultra marathon and, and fucking did terrible the first time quit on himself. And you could tell in the way he was talking about that, like that deeply affected him. Yeah. Before he came back and crushed it the second time. Well remember that guy too, that he spoke to and was like, you know You don't ever quit like he just kind of like threw him this little line

That he just took with him and next year was just like oh Just that guy had quit before. Yeah, and he knew and it affected his whole life where he Yeah, he knew. And it affected his whole life, where he probably doesn't even think of how well he's done on things. He only thinks about, I don't ever want to feel like that ever again. You don't ever quit. Because once you do, it's never going away. It's never going away.

And is it back to that thing? And this is kind of like the theme that I'm saying it's like you put the task above yourself and so few people do that yet I would say everybody wants success in their own way everyone wants to master something in their own way and maybe you can't do either unless you decide on a task that's bigger than you and until you do you never you never can master it because because of the sacrifice required to get that good yeah I don't know it has to be the most important thing and can you have a normal life and do that maybe if you're squared away enough and you can compartmentalize your life and and not torpedo your relationships with people and make it the only thing and start working in your

life, can it be successful? Sure. Was I able to do that? No, I, I made it my only focus in life. So yeah, the balance, the balance is tough, I'm sure you've got to have some really, you've got to have some people around you and in your life that really understand this pursuit that you're on and kind of allow for it, you know, all supported. Yeah, there's, and other people aren't going to understand either. But at the end of the day, at the end of your life, when you close your eyes for the last time, you are the only person that is there in your head. Did I do my best?

Did I do everything I could do? Am I happy with what I accomplished? And that should be driving your thoughts. and if it's this thing that you think will make you happy I guarantee you it probably isn't going to make you happy getting there is going to make you happy arriving is not right because nobody's happy when they arrive to where they think they want to be they would just want to keep going and it's all this path to get there that makes them happy all these things that they learn along the way. So there is no fucking destination.

The only thing the only destination in life is to fucking die. That's the only thing you're going you're working towards your entire life. It is just to be happy in the journey to get there. Yeah, the inescapable truth. We do all this. That's why it doesn't, doesn't bother me like at all. Like it's a, it's a known fact that one day it's all going to end. So I don't care. I, I, I don't, and that's it. That's a kind of a shitty way to look at it, but it just took so much like,

like why worry about it? You know, I just, I got other shit to worry about. Well, why don't you just worry about being happy? A lot of bad, I ruined my life getting to that point, um, to get those experiences. So not everybody's going to be there at the same time. There's people that are farther ahead of me in their perspective of what life is. And there's people way behind me. But I go back to there's only one person in my head making me feel good or making me feel bad and that's me.

Nobody else is there. We surround ourselves with people that we like and our friends. But when you lay down, there's only one voice in your head and that's the one you gotta be happy with. Yeah, I think in a lot of ways that is like, kind of even in relationship to this podcast, like what is a mentalist? It's one thing to guess all these things,

but it's exactly what you said at the beginning, like control over your emotions. And he talked about it, he said he was like, I feel like a sniper sometimes. Like I can control my breathing. And even if I feel scared, it's like my body is not showing it. Nothing in there is.

Like this guy definitely has a very positive attitude. He's very grateful, thankful. Like, and yeah, obviously he's quite famous now. He makes, I'm sure really good money at those corporate things. Like there are things that are working well for him but I'm sure his attitude early on was a lot like this too and honing that in and believing in just kind of the good and not being negative and skeptical and

Down on yourself and then also finding that task that's bigger than you. I mean, even if you have to be like a bit of a psycho like he is, that's probably a more fulfilling pursuit than fricking making excuses, you know? Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. The... I don't know. He seems to have found what makes him happy. And it sounds like it anyway. Or from the flip side of it, it could all be an act. He's miserable. And he's just putting on a show as an act, right? He is just a comedian. He is just this act up on stage, giving this false sense because you don't really know people. No, you don't.

Everybody has something else going on behind the scenes. So I'm sure there's more to the story. Yeah, everyone has some darkness in there, some way. It's just like what you're doing with it, the way you put it. That's not my opinion. He seems pretty genuine. It seems like he's just out having a good time

doing exactly what he wants to do. But I could be wrong. I liked him a lot. I think that he's awesome. I hope that he comes back on. I am interested by his book. I don't know what I can get out of it, but it, you know, I read like those type of self-help books

anyway, you know, like Learn a Habit or The War of Art, those types of things, like they just kind of are inspiring. I don't always know what I get out of them, but it's like, I feel productive doing it and I'm curious to kind of see what he has to say in there. And yeah, I hope he's back on. It was just a good episode. He'd be a great person to bring on every now and again. And like he said, every time he's trying to up the ante, I would like him to come on and it be like bigger and better things each time. And just like you said, this show, this platform, Rogan's podcast is the place for him to show

off his craft because he already, yeah, he already planted the seed for the next time he comes on. He's got something locked in the safe a bit. He couldn't work in. Yeah. That's even, locked in the safe a bit he couldn't work in. Yeah, genius. That's even that's even second level. He got him hooked for the second time. Joe's gonna want to get in that safe. He wants to know what he's gonna want to know. Eventually, he's gonna be like, what the fuck's in that? What is in that? I gotta know. Hey, get this guy back on. Love it. All right, Nick.

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