Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 450 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Ken Burns

Episode Date: June 21, 2025

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Hey guys and welcome to another episode of the JRE review. Joining me today is Peter back on the scene. A good day, Adam. There we go. Welcome. I'm here. Glad you're here. We are reviewing Ken Burns, the documentarian. Wow. What a guest.

He's a legend among his craft there. I think casuals don't even realize. I've heard that. They don't even know. They don't even know who this guy is. Yeah. Legend. So yeah, what did you know about Ken Burns

before this podcast? He works for PBS almost exclusively. I grew up on some of his more kid-friendly ones, but he's kind of known for a really sleepy vibe with his work. Yeah. A lot of sad Irish music. Uh-huh.

He he he he he he. Uh-huh. Your favorite kind of music, by the way. I love it. I mean Netflix has done a lot for documentaries, right? Right. It's like before that it was PBS and they just weren't that many you would ever see. And since the streaming services,

they kind of like lent into it. There was some interest. But the downside of that is you start getting those ones that are just knocked out right away. Yeah. You know, they're quickly produced they're high Vis it's almost like a social media and then everything's debunked on it and it's like yeah being a vegan isn't that healthy after watching whatever two forks or whatever that one was so

Yeah, the information is just kind of all over the place, but what you can guarantee with Ken, even though it's not like the most thrilling thing maybe you've ever seen, is the information is like heavily vetted. Right. Yeah, he goes out of his way, him and his team, to not, as he says, put his thumb on the scale. Am I coming in too hot? No, it's good.

Yeah, he's, um, so... I mean for Ken Burns, yeah, already. You gotta be slower, you gotta speak more gently and we're gonna need some Irish music. Some flogging Molly in the background potentially. Well, he, I guess that's why they stand the test of time. And why he's been widely regarded as the best American documentarian, that's a big deal. It's he loves his country. Mm-hmm and you could you don't know where he stands with today's facts or politics like Geist right politics And that's why there's like for one stand the test of time and also are so

Saught after with like maybe the person that wants all that fiery Opinionated stuff. Yeah, so this stuff is facts, right as far as he can as far as they can be ever be a fact He's looking for those truths And he's such a good storyteller, too. I Mean, it's not the first time I've heard the story of his father. He said it multiple times. It's clearly something that he's locked into and knows how to describe. He must have a lot of speaking engagements and it's kind of like the beginning of his his little elevator speech for introducing himself and where his passion comes from. But

introducing himself and where his passion comes from, but you know, that story of his father, who didn't express a lot of emotion, like many people of that generation, especially men. A lot of our fathers, yeah. Mm-hmm, grandfathers, whatever. And, um, you know, his wife, you know, well, Ken's mom, his father's wife died, you know, well Ken's mom his father's wife died You know was had cancer most of his life and even through all that hardship and pain his dad didn't show any emotion but took him to a movie and They're watching it and he's just able to release. Yeah, he's able to cry and that was when Ken said, you know what?

That's that's what it's about. That's what I decided that telling a story could transcend people's fixed abilities to show emotion. Yeah. Let the story come through and tell it and tug on the heartstrings and where you can even get a crusty Vietnam vet or Korean vet to open up yeah and shed some tears I think his mom died when

he was 11 I know imagine how soon dude I think I was pretty 11 when my grandmother died and that was the first person that was close to me that I knew my first experience with death and she was sick it person that was close to me that I knew, my first experience with death. And she was sick, all just very slow, you know, my whole life, and I mean physically, it wasn't like Joe Biden's slow, but she just couldn't move well. Bedridden almost?

No, just hobbling around, walking stick, and you know, it was just, and she was, when I was born born she was 60 It's all no 58 She wasn't like that old but she was just always kind of decrepit. So she had a hard life What was a lot of kids was it kids or was like the country of the air? I don't know You know, she grew up very poor. Probably nutrition was bad.

You know, people were sick. Spitting rocks out of the beans kind of thing. Dude, her, my grandmother's father, my great-grandfather, used to go pick snails off the wall, like at the end of their garden, and boil them up. Because they had no money for food. In England or in France That's a delicacy in England. That's just what you do to survive. Yeah, it's just something that really poor people did

They didn't have any garlic butter. They just boil it up and had a cabbage But yeah, she had a tough life, right? But my point is that was my first experience with it and it was devastating. But of course I still have my parents. Imagine that being one of your parents at that age. Now all of a sudden you don't have a mother. It's something else. And some people's moms gone for too long. Yeah.

Strong moms out there. Yeah. Strong moms. God bless them. God bless them. But yeah, interesting. Talks a lot about kind of living in New Hampshire connected to, you know, he kind of connects that to his influence and his perspective on life and storytelling and just kind of

like trauma growing up. And it goes a lot into the Civil War. It's very fascinated about that. But really also the Revolutionary War seems like the thing that captured his attention the most. A big part of it, what happened right there where he's living now and has always lived. Right. I kind of maybe that's one of his choices

about not moving to LA or New York, even though he was offered incredible positions early on. He said, I'd like to finish my first documentary first. He said I could take this job equivalent of $800,000 a year. He turned it down in order to fulfill his future that he thought he had. Yeah. And it paid off. Paid off. Yeah. Bit paid off. Paid off. Yeah bit of a gamble. I mean good work. We

wouldn't have known it if he took that whatever film job he was offered. Mm-hmm. But now we got a whole treasure trove of knowledge. His Lewis and Clark is my favorite one. Yeah. I've seen that a couple times. Nice. What a story. That's that pertains. Crazy dude. Yeah. Like what? An adventure. Who would ever even think that would be worth it? What did they expect to achieve from that, other than slowly die? Some sort of weird East Western illness.

Bear attack. There were still people who were practicing cannibalism as a way of life out here, especially in this part of the world. Really uh-huh Montana cannibals yeah dang you don't fact check me or maybe do Google it but it was I think the Nez Pierce were known for it quite a bit maybe the crow as well a lot of folks had hard times a lot of enemies when you you get an enemy, what do you do? Eat them. You're not gonna waste it. Can't waste that stuff. And they traveled into that knowingly. And like they saw a prairie dog and it blew their mind, a prairie dog. Yeah. Like what is that? A little ground rodent. Mm-hmm. And then they also, from

that one, formed some long-lasting allegiances and love for the native folks in this land. How did they navigate that stuff and the waters and the people? They only had one period of time where they were shot with arrows. In the whole expedition, there was only one aggression. Not bad. And it was just a testing of their strength, essentially.

And they came through it, maybe they traded some horses or something. But they also relied heavily upon the Native Americans while they're cruising out here. This podcast is brought to you by Hydro. Warm weather hits and suddenly I'm juggling vacations, visitors, and zero routine. Hydro brings me back to that structure so I can get quick, efficient workouts that keep me feeling grounded no matter what my calendar looks like. Hydro is kind of my secret weapon

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She was a huge part of the stuff we remember about that. I wonder how you even initiate that. Do you just walk in with your hands up high and you're like, hey, let's be cool. I got some trinkets you can have. Axis beads and pots. And then the whole time, the whole village, at least all the guys are just staring you like they want to kill you and to well You know rightly so right you're like a stranger you look way different It's like why would they trust you and then there was just this process of like hey

We're we're cool. We're just traveling. We're just taking a peek. The great chief in the east wants to know what's going on over here. Wow. Wants to talk to your chief. Yeah. I think from then on, there was a pretty constant stream of Western Native Americans coming to check out the east and say, let's see what this chief's all about.

Huh. So there were some allegiances, alliances made maybe. I think lasting ones because guess what we have some of the most land dedicated to native populations in the world still here. Right. The reservations we have here like him or hate him they're give their their sovereign territory. That's right yeah. I'm going up to one actually next week. We're going up to Fort Peck. Do a bit of gambling, no doubt. There's no casinos that I know of.

Why would you even go? Well, there's a theatre. We're going to go watch some plays. And look, it's not my idea, bro. That's my sister-in-law. She does it. I go to support. I'm a supportive person. It's you know that whole area. There's a huge lake up there for pack. So it's like I think it's like northwest Montana don't quote me pretty sure it's that way and It's you know, it's a beautiful place the lakes huge the area it's like all owned by you know, the natives they kind of rent it for the theater area and Is there some venues there for some place?

They have a yeah like a really old theater. I Like that. Yeah, cool. It's definitely haunted. I don't believe in ghosts But when I was in there was like there might be one some there's some native witches up here mind No, I think just like actors that died in there like 50 years ago You know What else would make a good ghost it other than an actor that died because they love the attention Yeah Yeah, sad Victorian mums

Hi on my list of what will haunt something. Yeah young Victorian girls in like little white dresses. Mm-hmm. Yeah at the end of a hallway That's the how they do it clip clopping laughing bouncing a ball definitely And then Only for some reason like one person in the movie season. That That's a big part of it. Gotcha. Because the rest of the movie Everyone else has to say that person is crazy. Do you think Ken Burns has a favorite haunted movie scary movie? Yeah it 100% he's scared of clowns. I saw it in his eyes. Yeah. Yeah the twinkle. Yeah. He's a

I saw in his eyes. Yeah. Yeah, the twinkle. Yeah. He's a Delicate little gentleman, isn't he? He is he appears as like a delicate gentleman, but if he has a massive intellect Oh, yeah He's a thinker the way smarter than me. Oh, come on out of this realm. I know couldn't even begin Imagine how many books he's read millions Yep, millions sure. Yeah, how many books have been read millions. Yeah millions sure Yeah, how many books have been written half of you read a half of those? Yes. Yeah Imagine

He looks he looks like my gay aunt. I'm just gonna put it out there throw it out there I mean bless him sweetheart. I like his bangs. It was really cool. Actually just watching Rogan kind of interact You know Rogan's a fan He has been he loves those types of things. He always talks about him and Just to be able to sit there with him. It's like This really was a big guest Like a big guess for Rogan, but you got to think right now. There's very few it's getting to the point where he's got a very few people just kind of like blow Rogan's mind, right and

You know, it's just great when you see them. Come on Bill Murray was like that for him. He was star-struck. Oh, yeah. He didn't know what to do. He's like, holy shit I'm in front of Bill Murray. So where he's like, I have no idea who you are. You're Joe He's like who's Joe pointing at Jamie. He just points at the dog. Is that Joe? No, that's what is a podcast. Roland, we have time. He's like, we got time, dude. Yeah, you can tell any weird story you please tell whatever weird story you tell them all and spend an hour doing it. I've listened to that one again. It's very good. It's very very good.

You know, I'd never thought of the Revolutionary War as a civil war. And the way that he put it, that was really interesting. So it was the separatists versus the loyalists. Yeah. So all people that were American, or were they considered British colonists? They were Rhode Islanders, they were New Hampshireites, they were Delawareans, they were 13 separate

colonies as opposed to the colony in Australia, which is, you know, if you were a prostitute or a bread thief or a murderer or a tax evader, you would, you had the choice to go to the new colonies in America or the other colonies in, in Australia. So easy, easy choice. Yeah. You were going to Connecticut every time every time. I'm going to try to find the tallest, cutest native American. I don't want to fight a kangaroo from my dog No, I mean I've seen that video a thousand times and every time I watch it I'm like that guy is way tougher than me. I don't have a left hook. I'd be like

Sorry Fido sorry Fido Was he trying to drown it in the stream or something? I don't know they just like hold the dogs They're good at doing it and then like rip him with their bottom feet. Yeah, and that guy was not having it crack Yeah, my old dog. I would fight for but this one I got here in the studio. I might give it up Why you just haven't known it that long? I think you built that connection. I think so Yeah, well to be killed by a kangaroo over a dog seems like a dumb idea Not gonna lie, you know, I might try to get take back control and Choke it out. What? Yeah, I tried to arm drag and just take back control on that zero chance I really don't think I could yeah

You've seen those ripped ones look like they're taking testosterone Just jam your hand in his pouch Steal his wallet feel around get out of there. It's gooey in there. It'd be a mess Look for a Joey. I don't think the males have a pouch, but oh, sorry How do you know as a male that sexist? We're a man maybe the females are actually the best of killing dogs. Sorry everybody It was I assumed it's gender does it make it worse if he punched the female kangaroo? Kills it, a joey comes out, now he has to raise a kangaroo. He's just there with a little milk bottle. It's just a beautiful

story. Hopping around. We kind of went left on this one, but sure enough. Back to America. Well, so the tea party kind of kicked it off, right? Or the tea, dumping the tea, the tea party kind of kicked it off, right? Or the tea dump in the tea, right? Yeah. That's very famous. And it was interesting to hear that they dressed as natives and it was thought by some to just be like, Oh, they did this to blame them. Right. But really it was because the outfits were so crude that it was clearly not native people, but they're saying, hey, we are this now. We're not British anymore.

We're not paying your damn taxes. And- It was to symbolize an allegiance to a new place. We are a new thing. Wasn't it like a 4% tax? It was not a tax. There was anything on anybody, no problem. Yeah, but they still didn't like it.

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bold move Bold move and what was it tons of tea as well? I think I don't know how much it was But it was quite a bit a whole ship's load. Yeah, I Wonder if you jumped in there and be nice nice little salty salty tea. It's like a kombucha But yeah, it's amazing to think of that is like what really spurred it And going back to George Washington and how much of a hero he is, you know There's been a lot of legends over the years and you know, we often put them on pedestal Yeah, you know whether it's Napoleon or Alexander the. And you know, we often put them on pedestal.

You know, whether it's Napoleon or Alexander the Great, you know, I mean, we don't really put Genghis Khan on a pedestal to be fair, but he conquered a lot of stuff. There is some revisionist stuff going on where, oh, he had a peaceful empire. Well, he had a peaceful empire because he created a wasteland. Yeah, yeah, they were all mass murderers that just

murdered a bunch of people. But what George was doing, and he, you know, didn't always make the best decisions. Like, he had some disastrous things, but just inspired people. And against all odds. This is what I love when Ken was saying, you know, what he thinks the most important moment in history is since Jesus Christ or whatever it was. He's like, it's the next thing was the Revolutionary War. It made America. Our first civil war. Right.

And that's weird too, right? So I wonder if there's ever going to be a time where we call the Civil War the second Civil War It's more like the state's rebellions Civil War 2. Yeah 2.0 part 2 rise of General Lee. Yeah, I Don't know I like the way he talks about That the leader of that What was his name Lee Lee? Yeah, yeah geez I forgot I can't believe I'm spacing on his name but he was like general general Lee Gaster and I forgot his name but I I like him for his allegiance to his causes I think he's a

Virginia man oh yeah it's like are you gonna join the north of the south? Well his family will fight for the south And I have to do this because Robert E Lee Robert E Lee, I'm sorry everybody that's okay Ulysses S Grant what a drunk big player They all had so many stonewall Jackson. I think that wasn't he from was he a little later? Did he fight before that? That's a strong name though Yeah, yeah, maybe that he was General Lee's key lieutenant. Okay. Yep. I Mean I'm pulling all this just out of my own Knowledge. Yeah, you know, I did not chat. She BT that right then

He just scratched his head and said the name and I was like all the Civil War books I've read I actually have read a couple. It's amazing how much shit you forget. It's super annoying I would love to just be able to pull that stuff up Ken does he can he pulls it right out? Oh, yeah, he knows what he's all his sayings like the one that attributed to Simon Clemens Mark Twain Uh-huh about we all say history repeats itself, but it never has. That one I liked.

History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes. Ooh. What a good one. That is good. That's not a bad one, is it? That's not bad. Are we repeating history a little bit with Iran here? Not to get too political, but it is relevant to the time It sounds like they're writing right now at least I Saw a great meme today where it was like an old

Israeli tablet That they were like this 2,500 year old Israeli tablet and they used AI to translate it and It the quote was, the translation was, Persia is two weeks away from having a nuclear weapon. The bombers in the United States at this moment. Well, listen, my werearms suspicious and I'm not trying to take sides, but you know, fool me once, shame on you.

Right. I can't get fooled again. You gave him a lead. I can't get fooled again. So, you know, Iraq, they were like, yeah, they got nukes, weapons of mass destruction. That was the big thing. And I was 100% for it. I was like, that can't be good. No, let's get rid of them. And then they go in there. And they're like, we found nothing. And they, and they have been saying this about Iran for a while now. Look, if you want to just put your trust in government intel, you know, I believe they know what's going on, but I don't know if they tell us what's going on. They tell us things to make us want to do what they want to do. Right. And I think they just want to go blow them up.

I wouldn't be surprised if 10 years from now. They're like actually they know they didn't have any They weren't even close And then I'm like how many times? Does this have to happen before we're like we got to stop listening to these guys We're quickly coming to a place in our country's history and in our world history where we're not Gonna be able to be fooled anymore thanks to the open form of X right I think has creating some very independent thinkers and you know it's gonna happen it's we're to the point where it's not again we have to think for ourselves and also let's just stop the war. Is there a peaceful alternative?

How can those folks get along anywhere? Right? I don't want to sound like a hippie, but like kids die Every time these things happen, right? That's all I ever think about yeah kids little kids Little kids that want to play with Legos that have no idea why all the quote unquote grownups are so mad at each other. You put any of these kids together from any country and they'd all have the best time on the playground. They would dig holes, climb trees. They would get little sticks and shoot each other with

guns. Rocks at a window. Right. Kid stuff. Yeah. It's silly. It's disgusting. And let's just put an end to it. Maybe Ken can help. He can. He needs to make a new documentary. Why War Sucks Big Time.

That's the name of it. Joe, if you're listening, go ahead and get him on. Encourage that. Fund that. Encourage it. Let's get it going. Let's get it started. The that, fund that. Encourage it, let's get it going. Let's get it started. The Civil War, dude.

Every time I learn about that, it was so brutal what happened here during that time. So many people died, dude. I think I had family on both sides. Imagine what the population of America would be if the Civil War didn't happen. Would it be like a billion people, do you think? I guess how many died, like 110,000, I think.

Let's Google it. I think it was, so exponentially extrapolating. Okay, hold on, let me just do this now. How many people died in the Civil War in the US? And if they hadn't, based on today's date and the average reproduction rate, what would the population of the United States be? That's really the best shit to do with AI stuff.

I swear to God, it's so good. That's complicated math. All right, let's see. Yeah, I can't figure that out. That would take so many calculators. All right, let's see what it comes up with. Hold on. It's thinking. I'm using Grok3, by the way. Using Grok3. Or Super Grok, maybe. It's called. I don't know. I don't know how much better it is. All right, what we got? I better get another Zen here.

That's gonna be two dollars two dollars I think they sponsored the pod now so this is the open advertisement here mmm oh hold on keep talking because it didn't didn't figure this out another one of Ken Burns's documentary that hit me hard was about the Great Depression those Terrible farming practices that has just scoured the land Dust bowls ruling the country wasn't that a great dust bowl. Mmm Either way it was it's like the grapes of wrath book, right? Right tough time. That's what my family lived through Unbelievable. What did they eat? What did anyone do? Well, just like dried up corn. That was it

that's why they're the hard image in that book was a Nursing mother feeding a starving guy from her breast, right? The crazy that's crazy. Yeah, that's the milk. I'm not even that hungry. I'll take a little bit. I Don't need a dust bowl All right, let's see, okay All right, it's not answering this the right way it just added the amount of people that died to the current population How many died? 748,000.

Oh, I was way off. That's huge. That's huge. That's more than anybody has ever died in any ever worse since. Probably times 10. It's saying, so the U S population would be 364.6 million compared to the current 345.4 million. Yeah, that's correct. So an increase of 19.2 million.

Okay, I guess that's right. I thought it might be way bigger, but I guess there was already a lot of people in the US then. War bad, no there wasn't that many. Ah, I think that math's wrong. I don't trust it. Come on, Gro Grock I pay for

you if there's any math nerds out there please help us out yeah send us an email give us figure that out a little bit of grace we will give you a hundred dollar visa gift card and a t-shirt a jre t-shirt I'll just type in later. You're not getting it. You're not allowed. No, that's against the rules. Okay. I can't be giving it to the team. It's a silly old guy. That's rude. This has to be open to everybody. It's gonna be a Chinese math nerd. He's gonna figure it out. Well, Ni Hao. Those guys are the best. They are the best. Incredible Chinese immigrant population in the United States. Awesome people.

We're big fans. We're big fans. Orange Chicken? General Tau's? Come on. People really liked this episode. They were pumped about it. I was reading the comments.

They were all about it. What was cool about it is people were like, oh, I need to check out more Ken Burns, or I'm going to go watch this documentary. And that's really great because he has such a fantastic backlog. And who knows, like maybe the newer generation has just kind of missed a lot of those, right? Because they didn't grow up with PBS, watch it as much, you know, they got YouTube and fucking Netflix and whatever but to be able to go back and just go through it all and also

Have the patience to do it because it comes at you at a different rate You got to be patient with the knowledge the Vietnam War was 16 10 hours or 16 hours was it huge So that way that's a study, that's a scholarly study. Yeah, that's like taking a class. And you end up with way more knowledge than it is a semester. Sure.

If you absorb it. Oh yeah, that's really cool. Can you just buy like the box sets of this stuff? I think at pbs.com you can watch almost everything they have. It's free? Org, pbs.org. Oh yeah, of course. You don't wanna go to the porn sites. No, no..xx free. Org pbs.org. Oh, yeah, of course. You don't want to go to the porn site.

No, no dot x x x. Stay away from those. It's a bit dry. Get out of there. Got him. It's outrageous. Well, look, I was a big fan of him. Really cool that Rogan had him on and definitely worth re-exploring, getting into some Ken Burns and just getting kind of up to date. I mean one thing I will say, this guy loves America. He appreciates what it is, you know, it's none of that nonsense like, oh America's the worst, I wish I could move to Canada. All right, relax. But he loves the place and really understands it, knows what it has done, how it changed the world. We got a good thing going on here.

I love the guy. Crazy experiment of democracy. It's amazing. It's partially based on Native American history, so let's go, boys. I can be prouder. Well, thank you all for listening. As always, Pete, pleasure. Thanks for being here and yeah check out the camburns. It's worth it.

We'll talk to you all next week.