Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 454 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Bernie Sanders

Episode Date: July 7, 2025

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You're listening to the Joe Rogan Experience Review. What a bizarre thing we've created. Now with your host, Adam Thorn. Might either be the worst podcast or the best one of all time. One, go. Enjoy the show. Hey, guys, and welcome to another episode of the JRE Review. This is a fun one. This time, Bernie Sanders is back.

Great to see it. You know, people are always giving Rogan so much hell about never having Democrats on. It's like, you can't get more big D than Bernie Sanders. This week, I brought in my liberal specialist. Yeah. Good old Trev, what's up buddy? What's going on my man?

All right, there we go. You're having me You can even out all my my far-right ideas You're not that far right? You like to talk it up like you are. Mm-hmm. I definitely like to wind you up and Mutual friend Dave. That's that's fun for me. That's's fun. I also find joy in giving you a lot of shit. It's solid, right? It's a good time. It's a good time for everyone. We, we, we get, everyone gets a bit serious about this stuff and it's like, Hey, I think we're going to be okay. It's going to be okay.

Yeah, we'll probably be okay. All right. So Bernie has not been on since I think 2019. A lot's happened since then. Um, yeah. I mean, generally, what is your take on Bernie these days? Uh, well, I don't know. I don't, you know, I think that's one of the things that's appealing about Bernie is he's been pretty constant over his whole political career. You know,

he doesn't, hasn't changed his stances on a lot of things. He's Bernie, you know what you're going to get with him. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Um, and you know, Joe brought that up quite a bit. I mean, especially when they looked at his, what was it like 1970s arrest? Maybe older. I think it was like 68 or something like that. Yeah. It's just, or maybe even a little bit earlier. Freedom fighting out there and. Yeah. Getting arrested.

And that was for like civil rights protests, right? Yep. Yep. Yep. Yeah, that was a cool photo. Yeah. And you know, I know people give him a lot of like a hard time because he's made some money off his books and you know, a few other things, probably speaking engagements. It's hard for me to be mad at that, honestly. I mean, if people are going to pay you to

speak at places, I mean, you know, and I think that's reasonable. It's not done, you know, through unscrupulous means. It's just he's a position of power. He's well known. Yeah. And that's a really good point actually, because, you know, not every senator and congressperson can write a book that people are going to buy. Like there's a lot of Congress people, I can't, I could name five, maybe. And the fact that he can write a book and people wanna buy it, it's like good for him. And he has a message, he's trying to get some information out,

he makes some money from it, he can have some houses. Does it mean all of a sudden he can't like fight for the poor? Yeah. That doesn't seem to make sense. No, I agree. It's not like he's, you know, been taking advantage of insider trading on stock options. And that's, that's so many. Yeah.

That's the big bullshit thing. And it's perfectly legal. It's bullshit. Yeah, he did have some fairly large pharmaceutical company donors. And then also was in a position where he's like scrutinizing RFK. So that was a little but at the end of the day, he beats up on big pharma all the time, man. Yeah, so yeah, he's not all bad. I think I think when you compare him to a lot, I mean, you put him up against Nancy Pelosi, it's like, come on now. You can't even if you're talking about integrity, like, yeah, she has very little. I'm saying that on the record.

Well, you're here, folks. Breaking news. Breaking news. That is new for everyone. All right. So let's jump into it. I mean, I think that Rogan and Bernie get on well. I think they mostly agree. I think it's a good, he, Rogan definitely has a lot of respect for Bernie. I think he really does like him.

He would have voted for him. Yeah, no doubt. And he was, he was pretty vocal, probably more so than even Bernie about what the Democrats did to him, like switching it out. I mean, Rogan talked about that for a long time. And you know, Bernie's a decent politician. He didn't make a big, he's definitely upset about it, I'm sure, but he hasn't banged on about it forever. Fair play, credit to him, but he was screwed on that.

And you know, I think that this conversation just highlighted a lot of the, like liberal ideal ideals that Rogan has and still has. So, so much is thrown around now about him being like, you know, this being a right wing podcast and all the rest of it. It would like, after listening to the whole podcast to you, can you think of one concept or idea that they debated or discussed that they disagreed on? The... Like strongly? I think no. There's no strong disagreement, but I do think the

I think, no, there's no strong disagreement, but I do think the climate change one had some pushback, but it certainly didn't become an ugly debate. I think that Bernie was a little taken aback by it. I don't think he necessarily expected Rogan to kind of throw some different information at him. But I think all in all, it was very amicable. And I think it was a reasonable one too. I mean, Bernie was just on the roll, like, I think it's bad. This is a problem.

Scientists say this. And then Joe just opened it up. I mean, what was it? New York Times wrote that article that they looked at? Oh yeah, the one that they highlighted was Washington Post article. Washington Post. Okay, so yeah, it's not exactly like Breitbart, right?

No. And, you know, and I think that that conversation should go into the discussion and it often doesn't. Like there's definitely a lot of pressure to lean on the side of like, you just need to believe this is real. Like evolution, all the scientists think about it. And we're not going to even consider any other hot times because this is all our fault now. Yeah. And who knows? Maybe that's the best argument.

Maybe that is a good argument. I don't know. I don't really think Joe, I don't know. I don't think he really got the main point of the article that was in the Washington Post. I think, you know, what it did show, like the graph that they showed did show like those really big swings. I don't know if we want to go into this, but feel free to shut me off cut me off if you want

But that's fine. That's what they talked about It showed the like the one of the main points of the article was Like oh shit earth was a lot hotter than we thought at different times and the hotter for longer periods And then the graph, you know shows those big swings, right? there's they both agree that there's been a lot of climatic variability over Earth's life. But what they did say in there is like, you know, even though that there's been a cooling trend on in the Earth, like globally, and they'll just in the last couple hundred years, it's getting hotter at a faster rate than

we've seen in time. Anyway, that's one of the things. And then just, yeah. I mean, look, that was the biggest thing. Certainly something is happening right now. Right. But I think that what some of that article might suggest is there are better buffering systems and we're potentially more resilient than we think.

I mean, it could be changes as well. And now we're causing them. Whereas before it was whatever natural disasters, shifts in the planet, um, tilts and solar flares and asteroids. We, we evolved in a very cool period of earth's history, you know? And so we, we don't really know how, how we'll adapt to like the hottest periods in earth history. Good point.

We'll just see. Yeah. We just. Unfortunately, because apparently we can't do anything about it. We got to get some air conditioning. Outside. Outside air conditioning units. Just a bucket of ice.

I don't want to minimize like the carbon problem either because like, yeah, that's an issue. But I've got a feeling just this technology, like when there's like a massive need for something, which maybe we're on the precipice for maybe it's like, oh, this really is this huge issue. Yeah, then I think we're going to develop like giant carbon scrubs. Yeah, probably. And, you know, I'm not saying, oh, it's okay that we just do what we're doing. But number one, we can't stop China. We're not going to be able to stop them. So they're going to do it anyway. Does that mean we should do it too? Maybe not. But we got to figure out that carbon issue. Yeah. I think they're also racing to find alternative modes of energy too. You know, I think that we should pull away from carbon and look at nuclear

energy, man. Oh, the fission thing. Or is it fusion? No, it's just like micro reactors. You know, the technology has changed a lot in the last 20, 30 years, 40 years. And, you know, you can build a smaller, safer reactor. You mean nuclear? Locally, yeah. Yeah.

I mean, hopefully we get to fusion. I don't know how far that's out. Right. But no, you're right about that. We'll talk about fusion in our own lives. What's actually going to help the nuclear thing because There was kind of this big trend for a while of like yeah Decommissioning them and not building new ones, which I never understood that seems like the opposite of environmentally friendly to me You know because obviously the more we make the safer they get the more efficient they are and the less waste

And as long as you don't have you know know, too many Chernobyl's, but again, that was from technology from the fifties. Well, it was, it was a gen one nuclear plant. We're on like gen four or five. Now they're far safer. Much, much safer. And you know, I think AI is going to be the savior there because these data centers can't power themselves. So Google is building a nuclear center.

I think Amazon is they've got permission themselves to do it and they're smaller. So a lot of tech is going to come from that. And I think that's very cool. I mean, look, dude, if they can power a submarine on a nuclear reactor, there's no reason they can't make small ones for like every city street. Right. I mean, really, unless they're just worried about people breaking into it and stealing stuff, I don't know.

But it seems like we already have the technology. They just won't let us use it. Somebody won't. Yeah, I guess sentiments probably vary quite a bit. I'm not sure. Who knows? Anyway. Anyway, yeah.

Yeah, I mean, look, Rogan and Bernie kind of got into it there. I think ultimately Joe is on the same page, though. We're doing something, and it doesn't hurt to like be mindful of it. And also, you know, Joe is often a bit of a skeptic to things as well, you know? It's not that he's playing a devil's advocate,

but he questioned things that generally people quote unquote aren't allowed to question. Like how dare you question this thing that everyone needs to believe. And he's like, maybe not. Yeah. Maybe, maybe not. And I think that's fun. A lot of people that criticize Rogan

and that his podcast say, this is misinformation. This is training a lot of people that are listening to start thinking in this way. I think those people have all lost the, the point of freedom of speech. Uh, to me, it just sounds like controlling a narrative, whether it's true or not. And it's like, that's not really how it works guys. I, yeah, I hear you. Yeah I think he's catching heat because he switched sides kind of, at least appeared to.

You know obviously when you listen to this podcast you hear how much of his ideas are liberal. You know, that you wouldn't hear coming out of anybody that's in Congress right now that's on the conservative side. Yeah. But I mean, because he's willing to talk to a Tucker and a Ben Shapiro and plenty of, you know, Republican commentators, because no other liberals are doing that, he immediately just gets thrown in this bath.

But I think all that does is highlight the state of what the liberals are doing. I agree. It's like, actually you guys are doing this service. You're not brave enough to have a conversation. I mean, look, you know I don't like Gavin Newsom. You know I am not a fan of that guy. Fair play to him though.

He's been doing a podcast where he has, you know, conservative commentators on. He actually has taken a bit of a step back from it because they've kind of been destroying some of his arguments, which is quite hilarious. But I think fair play to him and he's probably learned a lot from it. You know, it's like, oh yeah,

maybe I am making this state a bit wacky. Yeah. You know, but those are the conversations that people need to have. I agree. I agree. That's I mean, that's, that's clearly the biggest benefit of what Joe has started is just creating that space for open dialogue that we've lost. Right. Big media just dictating what we get to get to listen to. Sure. So and also like Bernie pointed out, it's not like a 30 second soundbite to like Bernie loved coming on and really having hours to just chat and go it's kind of a bum

and he had to get going. It sounded like he had an appointment because it was only a two hour pod. Yeah. Yeah. I was surprised. He definitely could have kept talking. He certainly had plenty of energy. He didn't take a pee break for an old guy. He was, he was ready to go. I think he would have talked for another hour. Easy. Yeah. That guy is just, you know, a huge brain and, uh, kind of frail old body. Let's be fair. Get to the gym, Bernie.

We're working out of it. What did you think about the declining pension discussion when he was talking about how things have changed? And that kind of did bring up the make America great again idea. Like I know the criticism of that early on was like, well, when was it better? Like, we've got all the technology now. I think Bernie pointed it out. It's like a family used to just have one working adult. The dad, the wife could stay at home, raise the kids, work in a Ford

factory, have a car and get a mortgage for a three bedroom home. That's how it was when I was a kid, you know I mean, yeah, and then they would retire and they have a pension Yeah, and that was enough to keep them going and Bernie was like all of that's been started in the 80s Under Reagan when we started to adopt trickle-down economics And it's like a lot of that pressures from Wall Street, right? Oh Yeah, sure. Definitely, definitely.

I mean, that's especially now BlackRock owns like every frickin company. Yeah, they like those three companies of what they say on like 90 percent of all large international companies. Terrifying. Something something

stupid. I forget what it was. Yeah, they're not bringing pensions back, are they? Wall Street, I think I wrote that down. What was it? Three Wall Street firms are majority stockholders in 95% of American corporations. Jesus.

It's crazy. Well, that's almost as- That's the real conspiracy, man. Yeah, but that's almost as terrifying a stat is when they said that like 75 percent of all advertising commercials, whatever for the cable news programs were from pharmaceutical companies. Yeah, this is like and that was like all through COVID. Really? Yeah, dude. Yeah, this is like and that was like all through COVID. Really?

Yeah, dude. You just like, okay, yeah, let's, you know, open our eyes a bit to that. That's, you know, that's something that I've said probably to you a long time is like, you know, for the most part, I think Americans actually agree on the topics, but you know, politics is more power, politicians are more powerful if they divide us and then we actually agree on more things than we disagree. Yeah, I think so. For sure. I think if people really sit down, I mean, it's going to come down to things like your kids health, you know, community, law and order, like a bunch of things, job security, you know, I mean,

all the fundamentals were like on honestly the same page about and then there's just these like peripheral elements. Stuff, a lot of it's just false narrative that to get a spun up so that they can control the news media narrative. But I think like, instead of it being left and right, it's really more of a class divide than anything, which is what Bernie really brings, like what he really pushes. You know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, things have changed now

with that pension situation. And also the big thing now is housing prices. It's like, if you didn't get in the housing market 10 years ago, you're really gonna struggle. Because at least 10 years ago, your house is appreciated. Like when did you buy your place? 18. 18.

How much has it gone up? You don't, just give me percentages. It's doubled. 100%. Yeah. Yeah. So now you have that. You could refinance, pull that money out, start a business. I mean, that's like a year. Where would I live? That's a year's wages. No, no, no. You would refinance your house. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So you just pull out the equity, your mortgage will go up. Hopefully the rates are good. So you just pull out the equity. Your mortgage will go up. Hopefully your, the rates are good. And then you've pulled some equity out. You could start a business.

You could do a lot of things with that money. Also sell it. And now you've got a bigger chunk to move into the much larger, more expensive housing market for someone that didn't have a house during that time and rented or did other things like I've done the the like Entry point is Really high unattainable. It's almost unattainable almost I mean most people buy a longshot

It is you've got to be make I mean Bozeman alone Dude in the city of Bozeman, like a three bedroom house that doesn't look like much of anything is a million dollars. What's a million dollar mortgage? You know, let's say you make 95,000 a year, which was great money, you know, five, six plus years ago, really good money. It was like as much as you needed to make.

And now it's like, oh, okay. Your mortgages, you know, the home you bought is more than 10 times, you know. What's 20%? You need 200 grand cash for the down payment? That used to be what houses cost. Yeah, 6,000 a month on a million dollar mortgage over 30 years. Mm-hmm 6,000 a month. Yeah a lot of money. Yeah, that's you're definitely

In the top 5% of earners across the country probably well, that's that's $90,000 more night about $90,000 with taxes taken out five percent of earners across the country probably. Well, that's that's ninety thousand dollars. Probably more. About ninety thousand dollars with taxes taken out comes to close to that, because that's seventy two thousand dollars a year. That you're paying out for for the mortgage. So even if you made ninety grand, you would have to spend one hundred percent of your income just to live in that house.

And what Bernie said, he figured out that his dad paid 18% towards their mortgage or rent. Right. Yeah. Whenever back in, whenever he was basically living expenses, he was saying is 18%. No, that was just what they paid for, for their, for their house. No, that's what I meant. Just for accommodation, 18%. So that much. And yeah, now it's not uncommon for it to be 50. Yeah. For people. And how we get out of that one, I, you know, I don't even think Bernie's ideals can figure that one out. I mean, I think the solution is going to be something like really cheap apartment housing that is being built

in just massive numbers. And then it's like everyone's living in a one bedroom but I think it's false scarcity I think that like if you read into it like those companies like BlackRock and wherever the other ones are we probably shouldn't say that on the air we might get somewhere but um they they've bought up a lot of they're buying up residential houses all across the country and creating, I think, false scarcity, scarcity to increase the cost. No doubt.

And they'll sell it, yep. And then, so there's gonna be a bubble on it, I bet you. Okay. But I mean, but it's not, they're not gonna go down in price. They've never done that other than in 2008 when that exploded. And it didn't do it everywhere as well it just it would be if there's a lot of houses on the market the cost is

gonna come down okay yeah I mean it yeah to come down some but it almost seems that it needs to come down like 50% and there's no chance it's gonna do that no I don't think so. No chance. So I can't remember. Yeah, I mean, during the 2008 crash, a lot of people across the country were underwater in their homes. Yeah. You know, so yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have a bunch of people I know happened to a buddy of mine from Ohio that just he was living in Vegas. That happened. And he basically just decided, well, I'm gonna stop paying the mortgage. And because it's gonna take them forever to evict me,

because there's so many people that they have to sort out, that he'd just have free rent basically, until they kick him out, knowing full well that because his house had like halved in value, he would never make his money back on it. And yeah, he just had to like just walk away from it. But he lived in there a year and a half without paying anything on it. So yeah, you know, I think that that Bernie and Joe kind of, you know, Joe didn't really disagree with them on the state of the housing market and the decrease in, you know, the purchasing

power of the middle class. But like, you know, they both they tied it to corporate corporate greed of those three companies that just are buying everything just just to buy it. Yeah. You know, and then then they're like, what else did they talk about? They talked about like, they said diffusion of responsibility where there's so many shell companies that you can't get like any good like customer service from them or accountability for many of the companies because they're like, oh, that's sorry, that's we're just being told that

by our shell company, partner, parent. So yeah, I mean, look, this is why you don't have, I mean, in a lot of ways, you don't get, have one person running companies anymore. It used to be like businesses were run by one person or a family. Now it's large companies that are mostly Wall Street conglomerates that are running all these. So there's no one person you can point at.

I think that's why it's so easy to just attack Zuckerberg or Bezos or Elon. Because if their companies do anything we don't like, it's their fault. It's like right on them. Who are you gonna point at? A BlackRock. I don't even know anyone that works there.

Not a company. Biggest company in the world. No, no. They probably don't want you to know. Secrets, secret stuff. Nancy Pelosi. Well, how are they going to, you know, with that though, and here's the problem with a lot of Bernie's ideals.

Like I love his philosophy. I love how caring he is. I really do. But I'm like, are we in, in the clouds a little bit. Like what are the solutions to these things? It's like, yeah, you highlight it, you talk about it. And then what are we supposed to do? Like I, there was one thing that I felt like was probably missing from the conversation is he didn't, he, he didn't have a lot of solutions for things. He had, He had some ideas that probably could be

worked through, brain-stomped. Give me some examples. Yeah, they're big problems, man. And yeah, I think there's options. You know, I think, like, you and I've talked about this for a long time, but what Bernie stressed in there and that Joe agreed with was they got to reform campaign finance. And that's like the root of so many of our problems across the country.

Because though it's the wealthy people that have access to politicians, you can spend $160 million on a, on a, on a campaign and you'll get a top government post where you can get any investigations into your company canceled. Right. You know what I mean? Like that's, I can't get away with that shit because I don't have money. Sure. And so you got to reform the way that money influences politics in our country. And that's a strong, Bernie's always argued for that. Right. And so you got to reform the way that money influences politics in our country.

And that's a strong, Bernie's always argued for that. Right. So I'll give him credit for that. And I, I totally agree with that. And I did, I think Joe agreed with him. Yeah, no, I do too. You know, it's interesting though, that the Democrats had like over a billion dollars to spend and Trump spent less than 500 million. Is that right? Yeah, and walked all over it. So it's like, okay, that wasn't like billionaire donors or whatever, but that's a lot of money.

Some rich people gave the Democrats a lot of money and that didn't work. So it doesn't always just guarantee the win, which no, it doesn't. It kind of goes against the argument a little bit. No, it buys influence in Congress is what it does. It, whenever, whenever you donate like that, you got, you got a direct line to say, Hey, uh, if you, um, if you want to, let's, let's sell all of our public land and can you just add this one little parcel in southeastern Montana that I've always wanted to get since I gave you a hundred million dollars for your campaign.

Right. That's a good point. You know what? I'll just adjust the map there whenever I, before I submit this to Congress. Right. That's, that's how it happens. Yeah. Yeah.

No doubt. No doubt it's Yeah, that's I don't know how Because the problem is that's such a benefit to the politicians that who the heck is gonna set that system up Bernie Sanders, you know, there's others that support that agree with them on the left and the right, I think. Yeah, but is it one of those things that just sounds really good and they, no one's ever going to pull the trigger on it. It just seems to be getting worse every year.

It is going to take, it's going to take us changing the constitution or enough states adopting campaign finance reform laws and it just becoming a big enough issue to people. But yeah, I think it's, I think it's going to come down to the people. I think that we, the, we, the people need to just organize better because we just don't have the voice that we think we do people need to just organize better because we just don't have the voice that we think we do or used to. We do. Well we do we just are not using it. We don't use it. Yeah it's like if we really all started to get on the same page and we're like you know what we're not having this stop it. Yeah off with their

heads. Let's take them down. Yeah. Hopefully we never have to cross that bridge again. Yeah, let's, let's not, but it's, but they should be scared of us. I mean, last time we did, we whipped your guys' ass by the way. Oh, all that tea wasted. Come on. You know, that's interesting that that technically was a civil war. Did you know that? Yeah, technically it was. Yeah. So the actual civil war was the Civil War II.

Judgment Day. Judgment Day. Yeah. Anyway. All right. Never thought about that way because we always look at it from, you know, the dominant American perspective. Right. Like it was Americans versus British, right?

But it was like the separatists versus something else. I can't remember. It's the Patriots against the Redcoats. Kind of, but not, yeah, there was a lot of, it was, yeah, it was interesting. And it was probably the most important turning point in history. And I'm glad it happened and went that way.

We are British. So, yeah, boom. Yeah, but I'm a proud American too. So you are suck it. Britain. You lost your choice. That's it by choice. All right.

They jumped into Israel. Gaza. This is where I think Bernie is strong. I think this is where his moral character stands out. We saw it in the democratic election for mayor in New York recently. Did you see that debate where all of the guys except the Muslim dude, the one,

was like one of the first questions is like, where will you go when you're first elected? And they all like for some reason going to Israel. I'm like, okay. Pandering. I hate it, man. It was, it was one of the ugliest, stupidest things I've ever seen in a debate. So like, I couldn't believe it. I was just like, is this for real? Or is this a parody?

I haven't watched it. Oh, it was really... But yeah, that's what Joe said. Like, oh, I'm going to get there first. I'm going to get there first. Yeah. Oh my. OK. So someone's kissing their ass. And, you know...

He won, right? Mondani won. He did. He did win. And he was like, well, I'll go talk to him in New York. Like, like I will everyone else, which is probably what you want to hear from him. Honestly, I'm not saying I know anything about him, but that makes more sense. I don't need my mayor immediately leaving my state to go on vacation.

I'm like, chill out. Be pondering the different countries. Like, take it easy there, bro. But yeah, they, you know, he talked about the killing 50,000 children starving to death is just unacceptable anywhere, anytime. And this argument that they grew up to be terrorists, or they're just in the way, whatever it is, I'm like, they're fucking kids, dude. They're kids, dude. They're kids, you know, and I follow some some pages on Instagram that are hard to watch. But I do it because I know the news isn't showing it. And they're pulling people out of rubble. And it's sometimes kids. And it's like, yeah, I don't want to see that. It hurts. But you know what? I bet that kid doesn't want to go through that either. Right. And I have a 17 month old daughter and I look in her face every day and just see this beautiful little thing

that just has no idea what's going on is trusting the adults around them, around her to have like created a civil society that's safe so that she can explore and do all these things. And then these kids over there are just like, what the fuck did I do? And my arm got blown off. Who am I supposed to hate again? Like, what is happening?

I just wanna play. I wanna kick a ball around. It's tough dude. I think they're way past justifying completely leveling that place. Yeah I think they crossed the line when they started bombing indiscriminately for sure. Painful stuff. It is man, it's really bad. And you know and Bernie had that bill and he said we're going to cut off whatever it was, like supplies to Israel, I think, right? Some sort of funding if they keep stopping the blockades, you know, keeping these blockades and doing all that stuff. And you know, nobody signed it. Nobody nobody was into it nobody's signing that

like ten people yeah yeah cuz they didn't want to speak out against Israel that's what they said right yep wild well I think we're learning a lot of power in the Israeli group seems like because we're not doing this for other countries I don't know if we do this for England and England's supposed to be like the what do they call this special relationship or something that America and Britain has oh I don't know they have a term for it. It's like they're five eyes. We're like with the tight tight to

Yeah, I don't know. Maybe that's just something Hold on to because yeah to because we're slowly losing all our power. Yeah. Hey, we're still friends, right? Trump's like, sure, buddy. Yeah, I'll call you next week. I'm real busy.

Buy my crypto and we'll talk. Yeah. Yeah. I think that what they made that comparison on how much Democrats are bowled into their Israel supporting constituents. And then as soon as you talk out against them, that they primary you. I think that's the point they made. And then on the flip side, they were both.

Bernie didn't say no. He agreed. I mean, this is clearly not a conspiracy or, you know, like, like, no suspicion. It's like this means to happen. What was it? It seems to happen that if you speak out against them, then they knock you out of your primary. No, he said that. Yeah, he said that you put yourself at risk. And Joe was like, yeah, because nobody wants to vote against Israel. And then the same thing happens on the right currently with if you don't get in line with

the president that you're going to get primaried. Right. Or traditionally, if you go against the Christian forces, the Christian forces, you know, the stricter Christian forces in this country. I mean, again, it's politics battling powers. And, you know, I don't know, just like super PACs, we should be suspicious of these powers. We should be suspicious of these people that, you know, wield so much control over our government. You know, and campaign finance would fix that. Yeah, they probably don't have, but they probably find other ways to get their leverage. Right. I mean, they're not messing around.

They've been doing this for a long time. They know how to. Yeah. If we, if we allow laws and loopholes to be written into it. And yeah, of course. Sneaky. But you got to try. You got to try and fix it. And that is the cause of a lot of things. What do you think about his, his talk on healthcare and child services, like being, you know, this is always that topic, that debate. Um, I think it makes sense. I think we're the richest country in the world by far.

We can afford to be able to figure this out. We can't figure it out. You know, we can figure it out. You know? We can. I feel like, well, what was that like Sweden or something? Denmark, who was that country that has basically a trillion dollar fund from oil? Yep.

I mean, can America not put together like a $10 trillion fund and we just literally pull from the interest to pay for healthcare? Yeah, definitely. I mean, sure, printing that money would boost up the interest rates, I mean, for a minute, but we've got good buffer systems. I mean, we printed a fucking trillion dollars over COVID. We definitely could do it, man. There's a lot of different ways, I think, that people have talked about over the years. They referenced Finland or whoever it was that had that fund. But as soon as you do that and you socialize medicine, right? That's what we're talking about. Then you, you take that money out of that, like the, the huge revenues that the medical industry and the insurance industry gets, right? They're just making money hand over fist and you're gonna be cut into that. That's why it's so challenging. Yeah. So what you're saying is the medical industry should not be trusted. That's what it sounds like. Sounds like that you're saying they're crooked.

I think that industry, large industries should be regulated. Yes. Right. Which is what you're saying. A hundred percent. Yeah. I believe in regulating industry for sure. Filthy bastards. I mean, yeah, dude, that recent fraud that they uncovered, did you hear about this? Where it was like all these companies and shell companies and they're making all these Medicare claims. One company ordered a billion catheters

and even some of the charges were being passed to people and making them pay. Yeah, some like old guy in America. This is just recent. This was a couple of days ago. Oh yeah, I'll send you the article on it. This is like a big kind of, I guess it was, you know, people in the White House, they've just like

uncovered this massive medical fraud system. A bunch of doctors are going down and all these different companies that have just been completely just raping the insurance systems. And, well, so sad, dude. It's like how the... Look, we all like money. How do you justify that? Like, you're a straight-up criminal. You're a crook.

Like, you know it. You know? And it's like even, oh, you're living straight up criminal. You're a crook. You know it. You know? And it's like even, oh you're living in your house and you tell everyone, oh yeah I'm the executive of whatever of this big medical company. Oh really nice, wow. Okay John, well thanks for coming to the barbecue. They're going home knowing that they're a piece of shit. For sure.

Right. They can just tell. They're not sleeping well. Yeah. Wondering why he's drinking so much whiskey at the barbecue. He's hiding from something. Yep. As he like crying himself and his like Lambo on his way home. Yelling at his kids.

He's all by himself. He has no friends at all. Yeah, dude. I mean, well, look, one way the left is always talking about and Bernie is taxing the super rich, you know, they talk about that, having them pay whatever this fair share would couple of words means. I'm like, okay, he said you on your billionth dollar, you paid 90 cents. That's his idea.

Oh, like 90. Oh, 90 cents for every dollar on your billionth dollar and everything every dollar passed your billionth dollar every dollar past your 999 million dollar You attack tax 90 cents Right if you make a billion dollars in a year your billion dollar you paid 90 cents to the government and then every dollar after that You get 10 cents on the government and then every dollar after that you get 10 cents on the dollar huh you get to keep 10 cents so basically what you're saying is a 90 tax rate once you've made a billion for all that money beyond a billion you got to pay 90 of it yeah yeah and that would pay

for the the health our health care system it it would pay for, you know, you'd be able to supplement like school programs, be able to, I mean, that's, I mean, assuming that they put it in that, in the right places, you know, assuming, systems that aren't set up like, you know, like what was discovered during Doge, which is like the Department of Education, like 40% of it was just going to like administrative roles and not to, you know, like going to the schools. It just became this like real bloated, you know, bureaucracy. And yeah, I think there's two things at play. It's like, how much are you, it's like a container,

like how much are you pouring in and how much are you letting out? It's like, if it's just a straight pipe, it doesn't matter how much you pour in, it's just gonna all get wasted. Like it's going nowhere. You've got to be able to collect some, make it work. You know, you have to put a halt to the as much of the waste as you can before you start dumping money into it.

How much waste do you think we've identified in the last six months? I think more than, yeah, I think more than we ever have before and I still think a ton of it is still gone. You know, it's still unaccounted for. I mean, listen, when it comes to the Pentagon, they're never gonna find those trillions of dollars that they can't account for.

Like there's just no paper trail for it. Because they went to some freaking Skunk Works operation and you know what I mean? It's because whatever documents we had on it were made to go away because we'd been using it for surreptitious means for decades. Yeah, we're reverse engineering alien spacecraft, dude. That's expensive.

Hopefully. I hope it's not all wasted. It's just like a bunch of it's not wasted it's just a bunch of people the Pentagon going on vacations like damn it come on yeah start working on the UFOs well we covered the climate change thing for the most part and then there were free universities. That was a big one. I mean, Europe has it. I think that would be huge. The student debt cycle is just crazy.

It's just a nightmare. These kids are getting out of college. They owe 150,000, and they still will not make enough money to ever buy a house. So it's like, what are we doing to the next generation just for an education? It seems crazy. And to be fair, kids that go to college aren't necessarily

all that much better in the workplace anyway for most jobs, I would say. I think it depends. I think it depends. I mean, you're you're pursuing a higher degree for a reason. Yeah, because they won't give you a license to be a therapist, a mental health therapist, until you have a master's degree.

I think there's a lot of degrees that don't lead to high well-paying jobs, for sure. Yeah. Did I miss your point? to high well paying jobs for sure. Yeah. Did I miss your point? No, I mean, yeah. I mean, if there's gatekeepers designed to not let you do the thing that you're trying to do. For example, if you become, let's say you're really handy woodworker, right?

You're a great like cabinet finisher. You can just like finish cabinets and make it look nice. You don't need a qualification for that. You show up, you can cut all the things and then they hire you. This is why people hire the Amish. They're great at this, right? It's like, I could have sat down before I went to my master's program and people are like, oh, he's a really good listener and he's very empathetic and he understands where I'm coming from and he makes me feel seen and I like talking to them. Therefore I'm playing the role of a therapist

Yeah, it's like yeah, but you can't do that because you don't have this certificate Right now I'll tell you right now what I learned in that program Right now I'll tell you right now what I learned in that program. Yeah, some stuff, some stuff, dude. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's not it's no surprise that I don't know anyone that failed out of that program. And there's been a range of IQs in there that I've seen. No failures. So what is really happening there?

You know? Yeah. And I have a bit of a bias to it because I liked chemistry and organic chemistry and classes that are really difficult to take a lot of thinking and even kids that work hard fail those classes. And there's the this a lot of these systems are just gatekeepers and that is exactly what this expensive university bullshit is all about. What did he, Joe said something like that, what he said, we all believe that there should be free public education, most people believe that the university system should be funded. He says you want to make America great again, make less losers. Yes, I agree.

And you do that by not stacking the deck against him by, you know, loading him up with healthcare bills, right? Because that's the number one source of bankruptcy in our country and college degrees, man. Well, I mean, how do you dig out from that? I mean, just to kind of like sum up a lot about what was said, free universities, free healthcare, stop people working 50, 60 hours a week and give people healthier food, like the regulations that RFK is putting in,

which literally we have had nothing like that before that stood out at all. Those are fundamentals that would change everything. And here's the thing with the universities, they have such massive like endowment money, like Harvard has like, I think it's like a trillion or it's many, many hundreds of billions of dollars. Okay, invested away. I have to look it up. But it really pissed Trump off. And

that's why he put that's why he's been like going to war with them. But the point is, from the interest of that alone, every student that goes there could have free education. That, and they wouldn't remove like, um, diversity, equity, and inclusion language from, um, from their, you know, from their philosophy. Oh, DEI stuff is stupid. I know. Well, that's why it's going after them. What's that? Are you a fan of DEI stuff?

I'm, I'm a fan of being inclusive with of people. You know, I think that there is probably a lot of different ideas of what DEI means. And especially there's a lot of propaganda associated with it. So you'd have to tell me how you define it for me to agree with you, but I do think that you know as a as a modern industrial country we should That's that is built on progressive ideals that we Can afford to be inclusive?

Yeah, like if it's like another Disney movie where they're like, oh, we need to have a black princess here. You're like, easy, Tiger. Who gives a fuck? Yeah, exactly. It's like, go watch it if you want to. Yeah, but like don't. Make a big deal about it.

It's ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, I think what it is, is it talks about inclusion, but I think what some of this stuff highlights is like it's kind of the opposite. It's actually exclusive to other people. And that's where it gets slippery.

It's like, it just gets kind of politicized. I think the LGBT stuff happened a bit like that too. And then it's getting pulled in all different directions. And it's like, hey, we're just trying we're just trying to bring them into the fold. So everyone has a better life. It doesn't mean kick out the people that were already there. Right. It's like that.

That's the opposite of what it is. And do you think that was happening? I potentially, yeah, I think so for sure. I mean, I never, I didn't, I never really heard that argument. That's not an argument. I mean, I never I didn't I never really heard that Argument that cited argument. I mean, I think that is the implication I grew through there. I just never heard of really good examples of where that's happened. Yeah, I think it's mostly like most people don't care Most people around the country don't care what you do what you go by what you want to be called, whatever but Just want to be treated like everybody else.

All right, so I think it became an issue because it was convenient politically. Yeah, no doubt. It's something that brought people up. I was looking up Harvard and it's 53 billion they have. 53 billion dollar. That's crazy, dude. That's a huge amount of money.

It's massive. That would make you one of the richest individual people in the country. What is that fund for? It's just their endowment. It's like from all of the value and you know, they get a lot of donations and they're just like building this massive wealth pot,

which they can do with whatever they want. But they're also charging these students 200 grand a degree. They're private private company, man. True. You know what I mean? We don't. Yeah, it is a company, but I feel like universities need to be a different thing. Okay. I would agree with you. It doesn't, that seems problematic. Yeah, it is. And I'm not saying make them all run and control by the state. But like, it's, it's a clear

line from we're creating the next generation of the people in our country. Why would we want to bog them down before they're even like 22? Yeah, with some it just it doesn't make sense. That's like the opposite. Like the real education is don't go to college and learn a trade. Is it? I didn't you do that? Because I'm too lazy to do a trade. No I think I would have liked if I wasn't so old. I mean I was 40 when I was like all right I need to make a career change and go do something else.

If I was younger I think I would love to learn like a crafted skill and then own a business and go do that. I think I would have. They're making a killing. I think I would have- They're making a killing. I think I would have loved that. I mean, like a plumber or an HVAC guy, a person worth their salt, man, they're, they can pull down six figures. Oh yeah.

Yeah. Air conditioning repair guys, they make, they can make a bunch of money. I mean, especially up here in Bozeman, we have a lot of work building going on at the Yellowstone Club and up in Big Sky, big money, big houses. Like we're talking tens of millions of dollars.

And these people that are having this stuff built, they're so wealthy. They're like, I want this built now. I want it built fast. There's like whole teams up there. They're charging big money. They get paid to drive up there and back from Bozeman which is like an hour a lot of them live down here and they're paying a lot of money for people to do like trim and cement work and you know concrete and you know you know

build all those those big houses of all the rich Californians that are moving into Montana basically yeah basically. And you know what, like there's a shortage of tradespeople and they, they touched on this a little bit in the podcast and Joe I think says, why don't we pay for that? And Bernie's like, absolutely right. We should subsidize industries. We should subsidize the education and training for industries where we have lacking people. I love that.

I think nurses, doctors, tradesmen. I think that that is very true. Doctors should not get out of school owing like half a million dollars. It's going to change the way that they're a doctor for sure. It's going to change the way they have to pay that back. So they don't get the luxury of being like, I'm going to do some pro bono work, I'm going to do a summer in like this very poor area just to kind of help out these people. Like they can't do any of that stuff. It's heartbreaking. They're beholden to the to the big hospitals and industry and insurance industries. No doubt. Last thing

I want to touch on before we wrap this up. And I think Bernie made a good point talking about Trump's lawsuit and media intimidation. It was a wild one. Yeah. And, and here's the thing here. I think that because a lot of the mainstream media is left-leaning, that this is like a bit of a auto-correction, potentially. It's like, hey, start being more accurate

with your representation. I mean, you're still going to be a bit biased regardless. Who was the lawsuit against? There's been a few of them. I mean, CBS is one over the 60 minute segment. One of them. Yeah, that's the one you're talking about. They highlighted that. So they actually settled today. CBS did? Yeah. So their parent company Paramount settled for $16 million so that it wouldn't go to court.

For how many? 16. And Trump gets that? Yeah. I don't know how the damages pay out. Oh, gotcha. 16 is not very much. But Bernie brought up an interesting point.

Paramount is doing a merger right now. Is it, aren't they? That needs to be improved by the government. Needs to be improved by, uh, Trump's, uh, director of. Communication. I forget. Now I can't remember who it is. Who sees that agency now?

Anyway. Yeah. It has to be approved by Trump. And so they settled with him so that they could push this merger through. Yeah, that is definitely a conflict of interest for sure. Significant. Yeah, right. Yeah, you know. Though, like, I don't think that media should be able to like there has to be journalistic integrity, right?

You know, you have to like stand by your sources and you can't just make stuff up and you shouldn't be able to just change. Like if you've got your biased leaning on a story, then that's part of it because you work for a paper or a station that already has their ideology that you're all kind of discussing. But lying through your teeth on something

to make it look different, I think there is room to push back against that. I mean, media companies need to be more accurate in that sense. So you think that we should regulate media to hold them accountable for lying? The, yeah, if it's egregious, I mean, obviously there's- But should the government regulate?

Well, who else would be able to? Nobody. Right. It would have to be us. I was just asking. Yeah. I mean, I, and I think through, I think it would just be like through a lawsuit, there should just be standards like there probably already are that exist. It's like, Hey, okay. You said this, and then you said that you thought it went this way because of this information,

but these emails and these text messages show that you actually knew something else was happening. And that wasn't the case. And you kind of conspired to make it look like this. Yeah. The problem is you'd be at the whim of every change in administration to being corrected, right? To meet the expectation of whoever the current admin is. You know what I mean? That is true. That is true. And I think that's Bernie's point, right?

He's like, look, at the end of the day, it's a slippery slope. It sets a bad precedent, and he's not for it. Well, that's why we outlined freedom of speech in the constitution. Yeah. What is freedom of the press? Is that part of freedom of speech or is that the third amendment? I should probably know this. You should too. It wasn't an unlike your immigration test.

It was. Yeah. I read the pamphlet, memorized it and forgot it all. I knew it at one point, right? I think it is the third. It's the First Amendment. Oh, but that's freedom of speech. Freedom of the press is protected by the First Amendment, is the right to publish and share information, opinions and thoughts without censorship or restraint. The First

Amendment's free press and free speech clauses primarily limit government regulation of the press and private speech, not government regulation of government speech. Okay, there we go. So it's all wrapped up in the first one. What is the third then? What was I thinking? Prohibits the quarter. Or a copy of the Oh, it prohibits the quartering of so soldiers in private homes. Oh, yeah, that one's important. Super important, man. Got to have that one in there.

Yeah. Those lobster backs out of the number three pantry there. George. Yeah, right. Oh, bless. Well, right. Oh, bless. Well, yeah, that one that one. Ultimately, I was on Bernie's side for that. I do think that it

probably sets a bad precedent. And, you know, but I mean, look, but how do we address it? There is a problem. Trump is is just sick of the media and the way that they've lit him up. Imagine just being him.

I mean, also having to do those court cases and having all those felonies or whatever put on him. I mean, I'm surprised he's not wackier in office and just completely rampaging. Yeah, he got that position back. and he's like, actually like probably more chill than he was the first time around. I'm like, I thought this guy was going to be super pissed. Right. He was mostly just pissed that Israel and Iran, that was an hilarious little clip that was, I was like, Oh damn, I have never heard a president say

that shit. And it right. And it wasn't really egregious. I was kind of like, Yeah, well, I think I think we agree. I think most people do. No, yeah, it was not sued. It's a sign of the times and I'm okay with it. You know, I think it's don't know what the fuck they're doing. That is crazy Yeah, I like it. I loved it. We could Imagine if Obama would have said that God Republicans would have lost their fucking mind. Oh hell. Yeah, they would have yeah Passes tan suit dude, so talk about it, dude They gave him so much shit for that suit and it's suit, man. We'll still talk about it. Dude. They gave him so much shit for that suit.

And it's like, all right, we are really, is this all we got? This is all we got. This is all we got. Fucking suit. We're just making shit up at this point. Bless. That was a different time, dude.

Now it's like, it's all thrown out the window. We don't even have a chance to like point out something that Trump's doing because he's doing 10 times other bigger things that you're just like wait what What did you do? That's the strategy right total misdirection. Yep genius place like hey look over here Just taking diet cokes from the from the back of the canteen Trump doesn't have I don't think he has that level of strategic thinking,

but I do think the people that have made sure that he got in power do, right? They had project 2025 lined out for years and they're right on track with it, man. They're knocking it out. Yep, one page, one chapter at a time. There we go, making America great again. What are we gonna do?

Great, you know, I thought it was some people For some people yeah for some you know, I thought that's interesting for from joe the last Few like in the last couple months, you know, i've seen clips and listened to his cast and You know, there's he's definitely um Distanced, you know, had a countering opinion to, to Trump and things like Trump, the Trump administration at least is like with bombing Iran.

Like, you know, the whole, one of the biggest selling points for Trump was he was going to end the wars on day one, man. And here we are fucking picking a fight with the only nuclear power and in the middle east or the second one or potentially the only potentially yeah well the only muslim one yeah yeah don't it took them it took them what like not even six months and we're already bombing other countries well i mean to be honest to be honest, it was. What four bombs? I don't think that we're still doing it. And a bunch of Tomahawk missiles.

And very few people died, right, because it was just a nuclear spot. I was I thought I read somewhere that we kind of said, hey, we're going to drop bombs on Tuesday. That they had some sort of notice. Yeah, they cleared them out, cleared them out, which is quite interesting. That and all their fissile material. It took like, I'll get all the get all the nuclear material out of there.

I mean, can they move that stuff, though? Yeah, sure. Oh, well, I doubt we would have told them then. That doesn't seem to make any sense. Unless it was just a show of force. Yeah. Huh? I mean, they gotta be able to move it eventually, right? Cause you got to be able to put payloads and bombs. So you can't keep it under a mountain. That's true. That's a good point. But I guess if they're still like,

you know, isn't it a big process of like, however they produce it. Yeah. The enrichment thing, which is like, you know, isn't it a big process of like, however they produce it? Yeah. The enrichment thing, which is like, isn't it some weird process like spinning it? Like, it's, you know, it's a, it takes a long time to kind of like process all that. And I don't think you can move it very easily if you're still in the process of making it. So that was the idea, right? It's like they're six weeks away or they're however many weeks away from potentially being able to move it.

And yeah, I'm speaking out of my ass. I don't know how that shit works. But anyway, we bombed the fuck out of them. I'm glad we didn't blow up a bunch of buildings though with a bunch of kids in, that makes me happy. And yes, I do have to say, it seems a little bit of hypocritical that Trump was like, I'm no war, but that seemed like a bit ish warlike. However, however, let's take a step back.

A bit, a bit ish. Let's give it, let's give it a year or two years and then be like, all right, is it worse there? Is there more destruction or is there a bit of calm? Like there could be a win there too. So, so give, give them some time. Now we're going to give them, just give them a little bit of a break and you know, if he has to throw, drop a couple more. I don't like it. I'm saying right now, bad, naughty, naughty, sir. Bad boy. However, don't know what the fuck you're doing. Let's see. You

don't know what the fuck you're doing. I, I, you know, I'm just, I'm willing to watch it and see like, okay, what did we get from this? You know, if ultimately it's just bad as well, which maybe it is probably is then yeah fucked up I Did Iran is a bad actor? and no like no like I folks I I'm oh I'm not a hundred percent opposed to what he did

I'm not I didn't vote for Trump on for that reason. You know, yeah, of course Of course, but yeah, I ran his Trump for that reason. Right. Yeah, of course. I didn't vote for him. Of course. But yeah, I'm not super opposed to it. Dude, in the 70s, it was like a pretty progressive place. They've been playing a bunch of videos of like what it was like people on the beaches, the women in dresses. And I mean, that government needs to be flipped out. Like the Western governments were pumping a bunch of money into it in the 70s. They were modernizing the city.

Like AT&T was set up there and they were like modernizing all their communications infrastructure. And then the revolution happened and you know, it turned into the country it is today. But the, the, where those, those facilities that they, that they have, they belong to the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. They direct sponsors of terror all across, all across the world. So, yeah, well, they just got blasted. They got, they got hammered. Did we send over like the whole operation sounded so like

imagine being on a pilot level Hollywood badass, though. Let's be fair. We're just talking like America. Fuck yeah. For a second. Yeah. Yeah. It was cooler than the Top Gun movie, which, by the way, that new movie was absolutely. It was dope. Well done. Yeah. Well done, Tom Cruise. Well done.

But yeah, they had six bombers. They had two going in the other direction just to throw them off. We had subs in place. We had Tomahawk missiles fired from the subs, blasting everything. We had those bunker busting bombs that can go through 200 meters of reinforced concrete. It doesn't make any sense to my brain. And we fired two of them. One first to get in there, and then there's another one to follow it up.

It was right out of Maverick. And none of them, none of these countries knew we were coming. That must have scared the shit out of everybody. Putin must be like, wait, what? They just did what? Did anyone pick this up? No one did.

No one picked this up. They just did what did anyone pick this up? No one did no one picked this up. Yeah like We just showed the world in one swoop that America is it means business, dude We could literally just fly in there and do that anywhere. No one can see our fucking planes, dude. It's crazy Yeah, I think that there's like if you have I think there's probably ways now. You don't know about it. You don't know, dude. That's stealth.

That's American stealth. Yeah, but it's stealth technology from like the 1960s. Maybe we made it better. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, I'm sure we have. I'm sure we're updating some stuff. It is kind of wild that we've had those stealth bombers since like the late 70s, right? Something like that.

I mean, that's when like the public found out about it. Was it, were they made so well, we just basically haven't needed to change at least how they look. It's like, oh, they nailed it. And then there's no improvement for like 50 years. I think they've had different prototypes that they've tried to design. And like I said, they, what, what we know about is they might've used something complete altogether different.

Oh, so like even the stealth bomber story could have been bullshit. It might've been a UFO type craft. No I'm saying it could have been another type of technology that we just didn't want to divulge and so we're gonna rely on our trusted B2 bomber. Oh that's clever. The government does that all the time. Yeah bit of misdirection I like it. Well there you go you sneaky sneaky government doing it again. Either way. It was cool It was cool. It was it was pretty sick They're gonna make a really cool movie out of that one day and you mentioned being the pilots on that dude. Oh

My god, they just are wrecked enemy territory just a wreck the whole time 36-hour flight just fucking playing Team America on repeat Right, Just getting themselves pumped up. CCR in between. Just yeah. Fortunate Son baby. Yeah. Do you know that some of the Black Hawk helicopters have a button that just plays Fortunate Son? It's a button. Oh really? Yeah you just push it and it plays that song. It's know, it's it's It's funny that it gets used that way because it's not really it's like an angel or song, right? Yeah

Yeah, it's a it's in it a war that was against the Vietnam War or a song against the Vietnam War But it's the most iconic Vietnam movie song. Yeah, it's like perfect. Yeah, there's some irony in that. Anyway, check out the Bernie Pod. Really interesting. I you know, Bernie's just he's an interesting character. I think he gets a lot of shit for

his ideas. People just hit him with like socialism. So he must suck. I think he raises some good points. I think I'm glad that he's in the dialogue. I'm glad that he stays in the dialogue. I'm glad that he stays in, that he doesn't fall for a lot of the pressures. And whether you agree with him or not,

I think that the way that he communicates and the respect that he has from other politicians, you know, it speaks a lot to just him as a person. And Joe has a lot of respect for him. That's undeniable. I think Hopefully we get him on again. I mean, he's pretty old. So we'll see how long he can stick around but yeah, I'd like another Bernie update and Yeah, anyway, thanks everyone for listening Trevor as always thanks for joining I enjoyed it and we will speak to you guys next time Take it easy.