Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 457 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Lukas Nelson

Episode Date: July 21, 2025

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Hey guys and welcome to another episode of the Joe Rogan Experience Review. This week we are reviewing Lucas Nelson. And joining me today is Mikey. What's up Mikey? What up? What up? Mikey's been podcasting in this studio for many years and this is the first Rogan that you've been on I can't believe it. Yeah, how have you not done more of these? I don't know cuz I was like little again maybe and probably didn't wasn't ready to listen to Rogan

That's reasonable bit older now. You could do it. Yeah Anyway, Lucas Nelson, dude, I didn't even know about this guy at all Really? Yeah, I only knew him cuz my dad's like talked about him before like Willie Nelson's son. That's all I knew Yeah, but then I listened to one of his songs. Do you know Willie Nelson much? Yes. Yeah, like it sounds exact same He does really does if he tries to uh-huh. He can sound the same. He's Willie Nelson is a legend, obviously. Yeah. And yeah, his son is super talented.

I've been listening to quite a bit of his music. Interesting guy, too. What was your kind of overall impression of him? He's very like, what do you call it? He has a very holistic grasp of the world and like his spot in it, you know? Sure. And I don't know, I feel like that was most of the podcast was him talking about like how like he fits in his spot and how he like makes a difference and then like when he dies like how he'll know that he like lived a life worth living. Right.

Which is interesting. Quite a lot of philosophy with this guy Oh, I was which was really interesting and it you know it kind of plays in to being a musician right? I mean are they much different than like a poet? Nothing yeah, and it's like what is the core of a lot of poetry. It's really philosophy Yeah, to some degree like a motion. Yeah, you know just clear observation of like what the heck is going philosophy. Yeah. To some degree. Like a motion act. Yeah, or just clear observation of what the heck is going on. Yeah. Yeah.

I think him specifically, too. When you talk about music and you talk about thoughts about the world and whatever, obviously it's not. I feel like rap music, pop music, there's genres that are not as in tune with the world. Sure. You mean when Katy Perry wants to sound like a philosopher, people find it quite difficult to listen to. Yeah.

Cause that's not what it's, that's not what she's supposed to be. She's supposed to be when you're like 3am driving home and you need to pick me up or you're going to fall asleep. I'm like, I was supposed to listen to the, I kiss the girl and I like it lady. Right. Like easy to tell me how to live my life. we should all live in harmony yeah but he we just know it legit yeah I knew how to do it and it was good it sounded legit for sure and it is interesting too I mean if you're Willie Nelson's son obviously a ton of advantages you know you growing up with a lot of money pretty easy to just become one of those rich kid douchebags.

Yeah. That really isn't doing much anything. Yeah. But there's, there was like a narrative in here that was about what can I do to where I don't need anything from my parents. I build my own thing. Obviously he took advantage of the connections and other things that it had, but yeah, he really sounded like he wanted to build something himself and not even so much from a place of just trying to like, fill his father's shoes type of thing. Like he understands,

like the great man that Willie is and like, yeah, how, how big he is or has been in American culture. But he just wants to kind of carve his own path, which is admirable. That was part of it. That was something that he literally said. Rogan said something about he started talking about how athletes, it must be hard for athletes,

or kids of athletes to grow up and play the same sports and be whatever and then the Lucas Nelson like he like took a time out and he was like he's like to me like that's not the point is not to achieve what he achieved it's just to like look back and feel like I did good with what I had yeah you know like he took a detour away from like reaching like surpassing dad type thing sure and he's like that's not what it is about for me yeah because that is a slippery slope to be in yeah you know to get into if you have a very successful father especially ones that

put a lot of pressure on you to also perform it's like often those men are stuck in a cycle of like I'll never be good enough energy and it's not good for your self-esteem and just Even your ability to carve your own path Yeah, you know and it sounds like his dad probably played a role like hey Just be your best at this or just do what you enjoy Yeah, and kind of took that pressure off which it's cool that he what did he say? How do he was? He was born his dad was like They like 60 yeah like 55 like that is cool

so I think that probably played a big part in that too because Like that is so different than most like rockstar kids. You know where their parents going through like crazy Partying stage as they're trying to raise you and then you're like man I mean, I don't even get interaction with my father Yeah, how am I supposed to know what I'm supposed to be right? Whereas his dad was like past his peak and is now just like calm and like it's okay. You do you yeah mature Yeah, I'm sure the 20 year old version of Willie Nelson would have still been a ton of fun, right? But but probably not as good of a dad, right? Maybe not. Yeah

Yeah, I thought that's cool cuz I was like how many kids of celebrities is that really happened to yeah, especially Celebrities like Willie Nelson who are like known for you know Having a good time. I wonder how old his mom was I bet she was just like a smoking hot much younger probably willies just crushing it Like a 30 year old model Hippie model Yeah, it it was an interesting kind of little process that he talked through and and it sounds like sobriety and kind of a you know, would you say like spiritual journey has happened to him, too

I think that's where a lot of his wisdom has come from. Yeah. And, um, you know, he basically quit weed and alcohol during the pandemic, which Joe made the joke about, oh, really? That's where most people started. Yeah. Which, true. I think, I think plenty of people did, but leaning into just, well, he said occasionally does

mushrooms and you know, as an older person that is trying to find their path. So long as you don't have any previous psychological issues or tons of depression, there can be some advantages to leaning into those things. Yeah. And yeah, ultimately alcohol, it has a place for some people, but for most of the time, it's wasting your time and it's gonna throw you off what you're trying to do. If you're really trying to explore like,

who am I, where am I going? You know, what's my path? And weed's kind of the same, just makes you lazy. As you drink a non-alcoholic beer. Yeah, dude, non-alcoholic, see? This is responsible. How you know you're on the right path. I'm on the right path.

I'm just wasting money. So they're like $4 each. Flavored water. I did think the mushroom stuff was interesting, because I noticed that the last episode, like literally the one right before this Rogan did was with like a mushroom. Uh-huh. Yeah, I could totally tell that like he like wanted to talk about it because yeah Nelson would be talking about like

Overall spirituality and then Rogan was like and what about mushrooms because those things are good. Yeah, and it was just like It's it's often a thing with Rogan podcasts. It's like, because he's just having a conversation, he's going to bring up or relate things to the discussion that he was recently thinking about and talking about. So often these episodes kind of do roll into each other a little bit, which I think is great. Yeah. It's like, that's a very natural way of talking. Yeah it's just so many people are listening to him it you just notice it a lot more but I bet we all kind of do that you know.

Definitely definitely. Like half of my main conversations from yesterday with friends are probably gonna spill into stuff today. Be like have you thought about that? Yeah. It wasn't my idea at all. But yeah, Rogan often does that thing. That's cool. Yeah. And I also think that, I mean, we are talking a little bit before the podcast just about how there is a bit more of a trend for younger people to kind of move away from alcohol and weed. I don't know what they're going into. It seems like vaping is like.

Yeah, that's big in high school. Yeah, that seems like it has its own problems. But definitely, I think it's probably definitely worse. Well, for your lungs. Yeah. Yeah. But at least you can drive home without getting a DUI. True.

You're less likely to get in a fight because you'll be tired because of all the vaping. Yeah. I think the problem is just like, it's funny. It's like with vaping especially that I've noticed is like because there's not a lot of, like I've seen it, there's not a lot of side effects and stuff, right? Whereas like if you drink, you get drunk.

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besides the fact it causes cancer like 20 years later, then people just do it so much more. And it just gets to the point where it's like, what are we doing? Yeah. Well, it used to be like in the 80s and early 90s. It was like that with cigarettes Really people would just smoke all the time or like at work that people just took smoke breaks Yeah, it was like part of your day. Yeah, just go out do that get back to work. It's crazy It's like people couldn't take shot breaks

By the end of the day like I'm eight eight shots in I'm not doing any of this work people couldn't take shot breaks at work. That'd be sick though. By the end of the day, you're like, I'm eight shots in, I'm not doing any of this work, I hate my boss. Yeah. Who would spiral out of control real fast. Yeah. So kids surely can't take vapes to school? No, you can.

You can? They let you? Well, I mean, we don't have like, we don't have like security guards and stuff at our schools Oh, so it's something you can do yeah Well, you just put in your backpack But they look like some of them just look like a like an actual writing pen or like just a little like Charger charging port like you know a white box. Yeah, just like that the kids like sneaking it in class, too Yes, the price so at the back class you just like turn

I can just see like kids like turn their back and then you just like see like a faint little something something you smell Oh, you like smell fruit. No, what is that strawberries crazy? How often it happens? It's really weird ridiculous. Yeah. Well Kids need something to do. He was leaning into Some of the classic books like Eckhart Tolle, The Power of Now, getting into like Buddhist stuff, like kind of reading through all that. Have you explored any of those kind of self-help books? I mean, you're a young kid. No, I don't know about, I didn't know about any of that. Yeah. Sounds interesting though. Paranow is an interesting book again very kind of philosophical. It's all about

Like really working on not thinking about the future constantly or the past Like often the past is full of regrets and shame and the future can also just be like this Overplanning kind of panic of where you're going and it's like hey Just focus on what you're doing in that moment. And it's an interesting kind of philosophy. I read it when I was maybe like 23 or 24, fairly young. And it didn't really stick with me that well. I found it interesting, but I think where I was, developmentally, it just wasn't for me then. I probably should go

back and take a look at it now it's kind of like that with some of those books though it's like where are you currently you know what are you thinking about what's going on in your world because you can fly through a book and then you're like I don't know what I really got out of that at all yeah but it sounded like interesting I've read books like that. I feel like sports-centered books, but that are a lot about being in the moment, you know, not because you can't.

Don't worry about what you can't control, that kind of stuff. Don't worry about, I mean, it is a lot about don't worry about the past and the mistakes you did make. And don't overanalyze and be anxious for the future. And just do what you do. Trust yourself or whatever. Yeah, yeah. So I've read books like that.

And they are cool. I mean, for a high level athlete, and I'm sure really anyone very successful that has a performance element like he does with music, it's like getting your head in the game. having that gear to switch into. Like the sports psychology element is a huge part of it, I'm sure. I would see it a little bit even in Jiu Jitsu because we would get guys that were just killers on the mats. Like all the time they could just beat everybody. They were just so good good and then they choked every time they went to tournaments and then in

reverse we would have guys that were just kind of lazy on the mats they would show up but you know you knew they were pretty good but they were often quite lazy and fuck around and then they would get to a tournament and just dominate like they just had that like performance element switch on yeah And it so it kind of highlights is not just is clear cut is like train a lot. You'll be great Yeah, it's like obviously that but you've got to be able to put yourself in that place like high pressure moments Not everyone can do it right? Yeah, it's hard to prepare yourself. You know who AJ Brown is football player, okay for the Eagles

There's like a really good receiver But he like reads this like mind book on the sideline every time like before he goes in and you just like see him Sitting on the end of the bench reading a book Nice and like most dudes are either like looking at film on like the tablet things or just like bullshitting with their friends You know, but he's just like reading It's probably what works for and he's like one of the best receivers in the NFL. And he's just like huge, like very physically, you know, he's pretty fast, but he like plays aggressively

and physically. And then he sits there and he's just like real peaceful. Just reading his book, getting centered. He has a little daughter and he like brings her to practice. And he just like sits like crisscross applesauce with her in the yard he just like sits there as she like runs around he just like looks around. Nice. He is such a yeah mentally just like hmm yeah you know and then he reads his book and all of a sudden he goes on the field and he just lays dudes out and it's like something about that book I

don't know. I kind of wonder is he ever been interviewed and talked about what it is about that book that helps him surely Probably yeah, it went like viral last year cuz they're like, what is he? Reading and I think it is just like a mindful like center yourself Forget about the outside stuff and just go do what you do. Mm-hmm. You know, yeah Well, a lot of it is that like ego struggle and they talked about it on on the show a little bit some kind of like Little bits of mental health and like what the ego struggle and they talked about it on on the show a little bit some kind of like little bits of mental Health and like what the ego struggle is like everyone has an ego

Yeah, you know you need it it protects you there's a reason it exists and we've named it but also it can get out of control Yeah, you can get way ahead of yourself Stop believing in something that it's just not true and then all of a sudden if it doesn't line up with reality and that is just not true and then all of a sudden if it doesn't line up with reality um and also if you're just like constantly talking about yourself i mean it's the most annoying thing that you hear from people yeah you're like please shut up no one cares you're not that good relax and kind of putting that in perspective i think it has a lot of advantages. One, people don't think you're as much of a douchebag, for sure. Two, it also keeps you more honest with your capabilities. Because if you think or keep thinking you can do things that realistically you can't, you're going to put yourself in a bad spot pretty quickly.

Yeah, you know. Yeah. And that kind of runs over and over You got to be careful that for sure It's a tough thing to reflect on though. It really is sometimes it takes some of your friends Just kind of you know knocking you down a peg or two to be like, oh, yeah I was getting getting a bit ahead of myself, right, right But you know That's often what you don't get when you're very famous. You just get yes-men around.

You get people that keep pumping you up. And then you become real strange. And then it's up to you to do what he was doing. You have to reflect and be like, okay, I'm actually a normal dude. Just trying to live my life. Or you get what you're saying where you like, don't check yourself and then you're nutso. Yeah, and I, he didn't really discuss that and he didn't really need to, but I guarantee part of this journey is he either became a bit of a douchebag for a while and you know, there's some catalyst that had him take the moment and be like, I really need to reflect on who I am. I mean, maybe he just chose to do it.

Maybe he was just that kind of wise and surrounded by deep thinkers. And he was just like, I think now's the time, I wanna be really good at this. Though in my experience when people do that, it's usually because they've done a couple of years of just being a bit of a dick. That's what it sounded like to me was that he was he had something that happened and then he didn't need to say it like he didn't need to say oh I was like this and now I realized I'm just a guy. Right. You could just hear it in his tone that he was just like this is me. He's like I got really drunk and

crashed into a tree and I was like I need to figure out my way. You know it, you know what happened. It was something in there. It definitely was. Yeah, often when people come on Rogan, there is a bit of, I don't want to say like performance element, but people want to really lay down something that either makes them seem quite deep or just be more than what they were brought on for. Like if you're brought on because you're like the new influencer or you're some sort of scientist or whatever it is, in his case, a musician, and then they come on, but they also have this like deep philosophy. Sometimes it doesn't sound very genuine.

Yeah. It's like they're trying a little hard to sound a bit too smart or whatever He all of his stuff was quite smooth. Yeah, it was like he really related it to what he was doing What what his journey was about? Yeah and tied it back to the intro that Rogan gave which was he was playing at McConaughey's charity thing which fair play to McConaughey, that sounds dope, and he crushed it. And he's like that good. Yeah. And Rogan was surprised. Yeah. I didn't know you were that good. Like, awesome. Yeah. And he's like, well, how I got there is these are the stages. And it's worked for me. You know, they talked a bit about, and I, a lot of people are talking about this

right now, just kind of like the state of media at the moment, kind of like the biases, the bullshit, like I guess, you know, you're a younger guy, you just finished high school. It's like, you're probably not paying too much attention to the news most of the time, but you're hearing things What what did your thoughts and like guys your age thoughts on? What is going on with media what to believe what to listen to I think it's very well like Social media has become a huge thing right that it's like I can't not watch the news because it's just always there sure

You know and I think most of us are Like in a spot where we can look at it and be like, okay Like there's like 90% of the stuff you see is definitely not real just because everything you see Contradicts itself. So it's like okay, so something's got to be fake, you know, right? But I don't I mean I don't really know I just know that there's like the two or you know There's a competing sides that are now At ends with each other and so they just spread whatever they can and turn whatever narrative they can onto its head to like Make it seem worse than it is. Mm-hmm, but it's

It's very I don't know. It's difficult especially especially for a young person to actually know what is going on outside of just what people say. I feel like that's my only thing is watching interviews of people say things is the only first person source that I can take from. So then I get my own ideas about how people are and how whatever, politics, whatever the news in general is and it's just like I Don't know. I wish there was more of a

unbiased Analysis the way I could listen to me like okay, this was that that's why he said it. Yeah, because there's not It's tough to find it. It sounds like there's a lot of skepticism right now with which is different because When I was younger, obviously we didn't have social because when I was younger obviously we didn't have social media when I was your age maybe we had myspace but people weren't really using it for like a lot of news and stories and you know so we had cable news and it was usually you would just watch the side that your

parents believed in whether they were liberal or Republican, and whatever you hear, you're just going to go, oh, that's the news, so this must have happened. Whereas now, we're just, it seems like because of how much more information we can have, how you can have the same story delivered in a different way, from a completely different standpoint, you're like, wait a second, that's the same story. Right. And it's saying the complete opposite thing. It's trying to make me feel the complete opposite thing. Yeah. What's true. Yeah. And I don't know where that leaves like this new generation to be like, how do we, how we show we're informed? Yeah. It's just a lot of bias and propaganda.

And no story is just the way it is. Yeah. I think I'm like right. And all my friends in my whole circle is definitely right at the point where it's about to be like that. Right now, we see the two sides. And I think most of us are just like, huh.

But then don't take anything, because they don't have anything to take. Half my friends are like 17, half are 18. So half of them didn't, you know, are not even like caring or voting or anything, you know. Right. But like, I feel like in a couple of years or like if you ask like a 22 year old person, like then they would be like, I don't know, because they are are trying like actively putting an effort to figure out what's going on Sure. And they just have no idea. Yeah, I think that's true. Yeah, I mean You know it I did notice in college people started to Like just want to be because it's like you're in college

So you're like informing yourself and becoming more of an adult feeling like more of an adult and then you want to get a clearer picture of like, what is happening everywhere? And sometimes that's actually kind of like the peak of your like, let's say political activism. That's why they have all those protests that call it, like kids are getting excited about these points and jumping on board and following their friends

and just trying to figure out where they fit in. And there is a real kind of utopian, liberal energy that happens at universities for the most part. It's like, yeah, we can help everyone and we can't do it all and we should have healthcare for everyone and it's because you're a kid in college and you're broke so that of course

that's a direction you go. Yes, please. You want a bunch of free stuff. And yeah, you jump on board and it's like how to know who to follow and when and what the real focus should be is difficult. It's real difficult. I'm becoming more of a skeptic honestly With news of the news. Yeah, I'm just like I don't know. Maybe that's true. Yeah

Like maybe yeah, I didn't see it Which is a little bit ignorant because you do have to outsource some of this stuff I can't go to Iraq and do my own research, you know, I have to believe some of the stories I'm hearing. Yeah. But, yeah, you have to take something. That happened to me today. I was looking at Instagram and there was like this post and I literally, maybe for like the first time ever, saw like, like my brain just like saw the ways in which they're trying to convince me of something. It was about like the Yellowstone, how there's like animals, you know, whatever,

right? And there's like, there's animals like migrating or something. And the post is like the little details, like it had like that ominous music, you know? Yeah, yeah. It was like, oh, but, but, but it doesn't make sense with the numbers. And all the comments are like, oh, the super volcano is going to blow up in two days. And I'm just like, part of me was like, oh, like, oh, oh no But then I was like now like the music Like this post is trying so hard to make me feel scared that I that it's definitely just not real Yeah, because if it was real they wouldn't be they wouldn't put scary music over it. You know they would just straight-up go Two days. Oh, no. Yeah, this is happening. Yes leave. Yes. It was very straightforward

producing like a miniature horror movie trailer. Yeah, trying to get emotions. Like if it was real they wouldn't have to elicit emotions. You would just have them. So I was just like huh. And then I made me think of like how many like shows and clips have I watched where that's happening and I didn't notice and I was like oh no. Sure. Because they're totally like totally was because they don't just give it to you You know them they are doing it as a way to make you like home, right? If it's real they wouldn't do that. Have you ever watched the the trailers where they change the music?

So it's literally like a horror movie trailer, but they put like hilarious It's not at all yeah, it goes so much into How they position you to think about whatever you're watching, right? Yeah, I saw the Super volcano shit the other day and it was just showing one of those, you know earthquake graphs Seismic deal and it's like oh, it's looking all crazy. It's going a while that hasn't done this for a while I'm like, I don't what am I supposed to do with this? Literally, there is no I can you can do nothing if it blows up

I'm pretty sure like everyone the whole world is dead. So like what's even the point? It's pretty bad for a while Yeah, but it's 40,000 years over. It's Somewhat due date though. Who knows how good we are at measuring that. Yeah. So if it goes off every 400,000 years, it's 10%, I guess, over. I mean, that is a lot. That's something. Kind of.

Yeah. But also- 1% is a long time. Right, right. And it's easy to be that far off if they're even predicting it right in the first place. Yeah, we're just gonna talking about outsourcing things. You just have to hope that in the next like 30-40 years we come up with really good systems for predicting it. Because right now we're just not that good at it.

But hopefully someone like Elon put some money in that, you know, know uses satellites to just scan the area I mean, it's gonna be a bad day. We should probably keep an eye on that one alright But I thought it was a lot of problems I think it isn't like the whole like US is like like the whole like Western US is like a fireball and then the whole US is covered in ash and The rest of the world is like goes under like an Arctic freeze because the yeah supposedly it is like world changing Yeah, if it is like world changing if it does like a full eruption.

But there could be lots of versions of it. There could be smaller ones. I mean, but the full blowout is like Wyoming and Montana are destroyed. They're just like completely molten under, you know, 300 degree ash that just wrecks everything. And then the whole rest of North America is just under a blanket of cloud.

While we're all breathing in definitely carcinogenic ash, which would be real bad. And I mean, pretty much if the US comes to a standstill, the rest of the world's gonna be in real trouble real quick. So it's a bad day. But to add to that, it's also kind of a bullshit post Because it's like a post that came out of nowhere and they're like, hey, have you thought about nuclear war recently? Let's get scared. Yeah

Why why does it do that to me? Why I don't know. What are they game? Yeah, it's a Thursday. They're selling don't freak us out That's what happens. Do you have tick- Don't freak us out. That's what happens. Do you have TikTok? I don't. That's what happens on TikTok. It'll be a post. Because there's a thing called TikTok Shop, where they sell these absolute bullshit gizmo things.

They're so stupid. Excellent. But it'll be a post. And it'll definitely be like you're trying to get you to be like, whoa, whoa, whoa. And then at the end, it cuts to this random dude who's like, luckily, I had my Bluetooth speaker that saved me from the wolves So we had connection yes like this literally plate piece of plastic

that's like three bucks and yet save this man from a Catastrophe that no never heard of yeah, I saw one with this new mosquito Gadget that was like supposed to be able to trap all the mosquitoes, but it starts with people just being overwhelmed by mosquitoes, of course, and then talking about all the diseases that come with it and the problems with that. And then they're like, all you need to do is get this, this scientist made this and you just plug it in. I was like, that actually sounds great. And I don't live in a place

where I'm riddled with mosquitoes but I was like let me just look at it. I googled it and they were like this piece of crap doesn't work at all. It does nothing. They're just selling tons of them by scaring the hell out of you on a TikTok. There's like a suburban mom in Pennsylvania who hears about those diseases in Africa and she's like oh my god and buys like 50 of them I need to protect my family for 1999 screwed yeah she plugs it in it doesn't work shorts out burns her house down she's like shit I was doing my best and moves to Africa because she has no money in America and then she gets bit by a mosquito and it's like it's like it was meant to be yeah Yeah. Yeah. See, he talked a little bit about like some of his big musical influences. Obviously, like you were saying before the part or earlier, like he sounds a lot like his dad,

or he can. He can sound just like him, which is awesome because his dad has a great sound. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. It's like, often you do kind of follow your idols. And what's wrong with that being your dad? Nothing. Like he's not ripping him off. He's writing his own stuff. But then also to have influences like Jimi Hendrix, of course, Legend, Stevie Ray Vaughan.

I mean, just some of these kind of, this broader view and also imagine growing up like this and Having the access to the musicians that he would have had yeah I mean he can literally just be like that can I get these guys number and they're like yeah You can go hang out with them jam with them. I mean to learn in that way. It's like What an incredible advantage. Yeah. You know, instead of just wasting your time, which he probably could have done. Yeah. I'm curious to know how his like childhood went. Cause he talked about

a little bit, but not that much. Well, the big thing was just how much his dad was gone when he was younger and how hard that was. Because a little kid doesn't give a shit that you're the most famous musician in the country and you've got a tour all the time. He just wants to spend time with his dad. And it was kind of a good story and you know it must have been age-appropriate. You can't say that to like a four-year-old. They're still not gonna understand. But his mom basically said, hey, what your dad does for this family is huge. And it makes him sad when you're sad and he leaves, like, it just gave him a different perspective to just kind of hold it together. But it also, you know, isn't like, oh, I'm sad and now I'm not allowed to express it was still his choice, right,

to not cry and not show that. But then I think he started to kind of understand it and embrace that and actually feel more supportive of it instead of leaning into the potential trauma of like, oh, my dad didn't care about me, he was never around. Often those things are a choice. Yeah, yeah, it's cool. Yeah, I like like that a lot the last thing they kind of went over which I felt was interesting because it's Rogan so he has to go over AI

UFOs yeah, I was thinking about that bring up Elon Musk again, and how he's gonna fix the Pollution filters and regenerative farming. It's like, what are your thoughts these days on, I mean, obviously the UFO stuff. It's been kind of wild in the last 10 years. Yeah, it's crazy. Are you just like, they must exist? What's going on with this?

Aliens or what? Well, just those fricking flying saucer things. I don't know if they're like, I don't know. I do think, I mean, aliens totally. I don't know if they're like. I don't know I do think I mean aliens totally exist They must they have to yeah Billion billion planets you know too many are like billion not billion like galaxies with trillions of planets in each one Yeah, they've got to be one we can't be the only one whether they're like flying around ships outside are so like I don't know about That that one's harder, but it is interesting that fighter pilots are talking about it.

It is a little weird. It's like, are they lying? Right. Are they really fucking it up so bad that they're like misinterpreting this thing? I mean, they're like the peak of the peak of training. Yeah. And they're designed to use all the sensors and radar and their vision just to kind of identify dangerous things they got to shoot down.

You would think these would be the best people. Well, was that the tic-tac part? Was that that? I was a little wondering about that. There's a tic-tac, and it went from outer space to the bottom of the ocean in like a second. And I was like, OK, that is interesting. But that could also just be like a glitch.

Yeah. Like a tick, like, you know? Supposedly, they have multiple different senses. I guess. Reading it. Yeah. So. Just something.

I don't know. I mean, it doesn't make any sense to me, really. It's hard to make sense of it. But at the same time, I'm just like, who even knows? Who knows? Nobody. And if they're doing it, it it's like is it even a problem I mean, it's interesting. Yeah, but I don't think it's gonna wreck us

Yeah, I honestly think we probably should care more about super volcanoes than then what aliens are doing, right? I mean if they're here now, they've probably been flying around for a while Yeah, and you know they don't seem to be messing with us too bad No, unless all the bad stuff is just aliens all the time. It's just them doing that flying around for a while. Yeah. And they don't seem to be messing with us too bad. No. Unless all the bad stuff is just aliens all the time. It's just them doing it. Yeah. Like I dropped my glass of water earlier today,

and it was totally not me. You were like aliens? Yeah, someone grabbed my hand. There we go. Well, sometimes I think about what aliens is actually crazy is like we know life forms as like carbon-based. You know, we know what forms as carbon-based, we know what makes us us.

We're built to the same stuff, and then you touch your arm, and it's like, this is solid, whatever. And so people look out into space, and they go, okay, well, organisms that we know, we and other organisms like us could only live on these three planets, whatever, whatever, whatever.

But who is to say that there can't, that there's not life forms based on like other stuff? Yeah. You know? Yeah. Like, I don't know, some other random chemical, but you could literally, they could be built in such a way that we can't even see them. And like, hypothetically an alien could be sitting in this room, but because they're built of like nitrogen and oxygen to us they're just air. Yeah.

Or we can't even touch them. Or they, yeah, live in literally a different dimension. Yeah. They live in like the bottom of the, of like a rock and where you see the moon as a rock. But for all we know there's a middle of the moon is this like haven for these animals that we don't even know are there and we'll never know because we're not even the same life form as them. Yeah. It's crazy.

There's been a big discussion at NASA for a long time with the search for life because the way we do it is we're always looking for carbon based things or signs of oxygen or stuff that happens on this planet. Yeah. But then we find creatures on this planet called like extremophiles or just like really unusual designed creatures that live in a totally different way. So it begs the question, yeah, could they be put together in such a way they could live on way colder planets or way hotter planets or just like you're saying have a completely different set up altogether. They don't even need oxygen, they don't even see

like it's just like the possibilities are endless yeah further out you go and it's weird and I think we have to stay open to it because yeah it might beg the question that how we look for them is how we find them if we're only ever looking for stuff like we would expect to find on this planet we might be missing it all the time literally we might constantly be it all the time. Literally. We might constantly be, they just like sat next to our astronauts on the moon and we

have no idea. We're like, well that's a rock. That's not a thing. Right. And the rock's like, you're an idiot. Yeah. But they don't speak, they don't move, they don't know. So they're just like.

Yeah, just chilling. That would be crazy. Yeah. And I feel like when I talk about that stuff sometimes I'm like, okay, I sound dumb. But like that literally is, you know, it's a possibility. It's fun to ponder. It's cool to think about. Yeah. And I feel like when I talk about that stuff, sometimes I'm like, okay, I sound dumb, but like that literally is, you know, it's a possibility. It's fun to ponder. It's cool to think about. Yeah. I think it's cool. It's fun to ponder for sure. Yeah. And you know, I just can't wait. I mean, Elon is going to fly one of his rockets landed on

Mars 2027. He's going to put a bunch of those robots in that are like whatever they're called the optimus robots So they can walk around and do things which are way better than those little buggies that they've had up there the rovers a rover They take forever to do anything. Yeah, like these things are like humanoid shape they can do Yeah, tons of stuff. It's kind of weird You know, they can go to each of the strange structures that we found on Mars that we just like I'm not sure what is that? It looks weird looks like the base of a pyramid

Yeah, we're gonna be getting some cool answers real soon Yeah, as long as AI doesn't kill us right as long as these what are they called optimist? Optimist robots as long as they don't actually like turn into transformers and then are like Like that's what the transformers are called like why that's true why Elon Musk why you name it that because it's funny oh man it's funny until they attack us that is true then it's literally a movie but at least Optimus was on our side true could have named it yeah like the deceptive deceptive would have been bad yeah then it's like Elon Musk what are you doing who you working for yeah exactly

I think he's on our side He's pro human. I think right now. Yeah, I like him Pro-human anyway, that's about it for this podcast. Check out the whole Lucas Nelson interview and Yeah, check out his music. I thought he was cool. I hope he gets back on soon Thank you, Mike, you for joining me and we will talk to you guys next time later