Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 458 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Danny Jones

Episode Date: July 25, 2025

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Welcome to the Joe Rogan Experience review. That was a little tribute to the legend, may he rest in peace, Ozzy Osbourne. How's that been for you, buddy? It's been rough, man. It's been a rough fucking 24 hours. Like a celebrity death hasn't affected like me more than this one. It really hasn't. Like this has just been rough.

Yeah. Feels like I lost a family member. Like it really does. Like he was the mascot of metal and he's gone. It's crazy, right? And you know, what's interesting about Ozzy is it seems like he had been kind of You know ill for a long time, right? He had his condition forever It always just seemed like he was just very frail He'd been like this but for some reason wasn't dying or getting worse.

And it's like, oh, I guess Ozzy just lives forever is like how my mind was. He'd just be that way. And I don't know, man, I think with that huge concert he just did, that was unbelievable, incredibly emotional and such a reception. I mean, it couldn't have, it kind of couldn't have gone in a better way, right? Hundred percent. Getting all four original members of Black Sabbath back together for one final show. It was such an amazing celebration for life. That final concert actually was like the highest grossing charity concert of all time now.

Is that right? So yeah, wow, really, really cool stuff. What a beautiful gift to leave the world before you truly amazing legacy. Such an amazing legacy. Huge fan. We love you, Ozzy. We miss you. Godspeed. Go eat all the bats in heaven. Yeah. You cannot kill rock and roll. All right. This week who we got? Danny Jones. Danny's an interesting guy. I've been watching his podcasts on and off for a couple of years. I don't want to say he came out of nowhere, but it's interesting his rise I mean, he's really just kind of carved his own

area of podcasting and You know big guests interesting discussions. He does a great job with it Obviously inspired by Rogan a big fan of Rogan, you know, not unusual for podcasters. He was saying it's quite surreal being on the show. I like those moments though. Yeah, but he seems so comfortable at the same time, you know, that's the thing, like when people say that, you're thinking, oh no, they're gonna probably stutter,

it's gonna be a rough show, they might be awkward, but it was like Joe was talking to himself in a mirror. At times. Right, yeah. Like what this episode felt like was like old Rogan meeting new Rogan. Yes. It really did. And there was so much old Jerry in this episode with all these topics.

It's like, wow, we're really checking off all the boxes here. If only they mentioned Bigfoot. I think that was the only one they didn't talk about. I can't believe it. We're gonna have to go back and find the Bigfoot bit. Right. Yeah, maybe for their like second episode, because I

know Joe invited him back on. Nice in the future. Yeah. So yeah, it was great. It was like, this is everything I like at a JRE, you know Mm-hmm, and I think it just does go to show like the power of this media and You know getting these having these discussions what people get out of it, you know the whole Kind of oh, it's not academic enough, it shouldn't be taken seriously yet. For some reason, whether those people like it or not, they're not the most listened to thing.

People in their masses aren't that interested with the most quote unquote academic conversations. They like to have just everyday Joes asking these questions. Yeah, and this I think was a really good example of just like a lot of questions asked. There was a lot of exploitation in this. Like it was just a really solid episode, I think. Yeah.

And yeah, it is a comedy podcast. You of course have like the Shane Gillis' Mark Normans on here, but this is what the fan base likes. You know, I see comments all the time being like, if I see a comedian on, I don't watch it. Yeah. That's a very common comment to see. And this is tailored exactly, like perfectly.

Exactly for the fan base, the core fan base. So that's what attracted me to this episode 100% and I loved how you put that because you know people do get selective with Which episodes they're gonna watch I there's plenty of people that literally will not Even touch the MMA ones. They just don't go near him. They're like, nah, I'm not even going to watch this. But then you get this type of a conversation on and it is it is what Rogan was made for.

Like these are the works. It applies to every bit of his audience. You know? Yeah, it would be interesting for him to release the downloads. Like just have numbers next, a little bit, maybe not like exact numbers, cause that can be, you know, somewhat his private information, but just to give you an idea, you know?

You know how iTunes does it next to the song or, and it has like more lines. The screams. Mm-hmm. It's just that just because I think in a way that would help listeners as well. You know, it's almost like watching the videos on YouTube and you scroll through the bar and it shows like the peaks. So you know that that's like a popular part.

It would kind of help when there's five episodes to look at for a week and you know, you're more of a casual You're like, okay, which one was good? Or just listen to us. We'll tell you I mean right and the views on YouTube tell me that story too because you can tell a Hundred percent when a comics on it's like sometimes they don't even break a million Yeah, and then you have something like this where it's like just blows up Oh, it really does dude, because it's like the Rogan effect isn't really as big as it used to be now It's true. So it's like not really a big deal of a comic comes on It's like, you know, you're the what two millionth comedian on the show. Yeah. Yeah

Well, yeah used to be when the audience was actually a lot smaller Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah used to be when the audience was actually a lot smaller The and somebody tracked this and did a really good YouTube video on it I can't remember if I can find it I'll put a link in the bio so you guys can watch it, but it basically is just a breakdown of how people's Instagrams grew after they went on Rogan and There was like a metric to like how much they would jump up you know you'd get like a hundred thousand followers or something well now his audience is so much bigger and that doesn't happen in the same way sometimes it does if they're directly discussing someone's Instagram and

referencing it and saying oh it's really good Those people often do see quite a big jump, but just for showing up, it's not anywhere as big. And I think it doesn't mean that, you know, there aren't millions and millions of people listening. It just means that because there's so many shows and we're used to it, and then you're onto the next show, that each individual doesn't kind of have time to stand out, if that makes sense.

Yeah, I agree totally. And also you have what, 10 hours of podcasting a week from Rogan alone. It's like people are gonna be selective. Yeah. It's not like it's like, oh, can't wait for the new episode, we're waiting for the new episode. It's like for the new episode It's like we have too much So much fucking content do people are gonna be selective, you know, yes, like I rather see this then like, you know some

Open mic or from like Jersey, you know for sure for sure And yeah talking about the amount of content that he makes it's like I Just can't believe he doesn't take his foot off the gas. He's so busy You know, he could easily find a way to make as much money just with like one a week And he talks about that on this episode too where he's like, you know He's talking about why he's so informed because he's like, it's my job. All I do all day is like, I'm either doing comedy or just researching shit or just looking into shit.

Right. He's like, this is all I do. When you're making this much money, when you're, he's like the second biggest podcast now, technically, right? Rogan. Yeah, I think, I think Kill Tony is number one now. Is that right?

I think so. Yeah, as of like last week. That's hilarious. I mean, bro, I used to go to the belly room of the comedy store when they couldn't even sell out 50 seats and go watch Kill Tony with the lights like flickering and like the whole setup was just like two people are sharing a mic, and now it's literally one of the biggest shows in the world. It's bananas.

A buddy of mine, Matt Devlin, who is a comic out there, he was on the first 10 episodes, because there would be times where there wouldn't be enough bucket pulls. So he would just go up. The first time I signed up great to get on it There was only 15 people on the list And I still didn't get fucking pulled which is bullshit This lady open mics to have longer lists

Well, they're this lady when we were signing up like jumped the line like jumped in front of me And it was really quite rude of her to do it. She just like, you've been to the comedy store, right? You seen like the kind of crazy people that hang out there. They literally have some like people that are there all the time that are actually nuts and never do any standup. And sometimes they sign up for the open mic.

They like carry a suitcase or they're just like some wacky character and they've just always been around. Anyway, this lady was in that group of people. Jumps in front of me, writes her name down. I then put mine in, we go to the show, she gets pulled. The worst minute you could ever imagine. There wasn't even a joke. And I was like, I've been practicing this

for like two weeks, I was so pissed off. Nah, it was fine. That fucking sucks You'll have to go to Austin and try again. Oh, yeah when there's like 9 million names Good luck. You got a better chance of winning the lottery Yeah, how many do you know how many people signed up when you recently got on kill Tony? I think it was like around 300 Wow, so you really weren't expecting to get up there. It was my first week there.

Yeah. Unreal dude. And I'm not gonna play the card of like, you know, I don't, you know, I wasn't expecting it pulled, you know, I was ready. Like I had my minute planned and everything, but I was like, I was eating a pizza. And I thought, like, I thought it

was over. Because it got to that night where people were starting like leaving him like, Oh, I guess that was like the last poll. And people were like, Yeah, that was probably it. And then they pull my name and I just dropped my pizza. I'm like, Holy fuck, you know, that's amazing. And then they call you in the back, you go in the back of the club you're going through like airport security there, you know pat you down and everything taking everything out of your pockets like one my Like walk it into oh great. The security in his club is like no other Joe's not messing around No, no wackadoos again in that club Yeah, isn't like some of the security like XMMA and shit.

Oh, yeah. No doubt. That club's a fucking fortress. You don't want to you don't want to fight any of Joe's security ever. Like this is this isn't just like getting kicked out of a regular bar. Like they're going to arm bar you. You're going to be safer breaking

into a government facility. Like seriously, that fucking place is a fortress. Yeah, it's so good, though. it really is my favorite club of all time it's I can talk about that all day obviously but let's get back to let's get back to Danny and and ancient structures the pyramids again those fucking scans underneath I can't get over this. I cannot get over this. Get in there. Find out Elon. Make a satellite that can scan down there.

We need answers. What I love about these scans and the possibility of these being real is what Rogan was saying where it's like, there's so many of these fucking gatekeepers out there. They're like, this is how it is. You know, here's my evidence where it's like there's so many of these fucking gatekeepers out there. They're like, this is how it is, you know, here's my evidence and it's the best evidence ever. You know, if this is like confirmed, it throws everything out the window. It really does of like how they were made, like so many, so many theories, like we will have to start

over and there's so many of those like pyramid elitist gatekeepers, like we were talking about earlier off air with the, like the worst guest ever on Rogan. Where he was like just such a fucking gatekeeper and he wasn't showing information. It's like, if this comes out, like, like he will be put in his fucking place. Cause we don't know, we don't't fucking know people like act like they know

But we're just we're fucking we're still figuring this out. We really are Yeah, and the more we discover the more questions it seems to like pop up Well, I think we've been bullshitting about the pyramids for a long time They've been basically each generation has tried to come up with a story and sometimes they build on top of it but it was just basically those things were there and We don't know how they were made and that so we came up with this story. That's like somewhat rational Oh, yeah, they just had the slaves and they chopped all the blocks and they dragged it up and there we go that's logic and then people start measuring things and calculating it out and thinking of like

well how would you move this and then they're like no no no no don't investigate that no that's enough don't just stop now like but this stone weighs a hundred and ten tons and it's on the ceiling. How did that happen? Oh, don't worry about it. You know? Yeah. But the problem is, if they find that something goes underneath them by like two miles, and it's spiraling this and that and all these different things, it's like good luck coming up with your dopey story for this. Exactly. And the possibilities what's down there? And also to add to your point, like those vases they were talking about, like how the fuck could they have made those like so precisely? You know, and spun it and then boom, there we go. The hardest granite pots you've ever seen in your life were carved to probably only hold water, yet with machine precision of like 0.1 freaking hair,

human hair length. It's like, I don't think so, bro. Perfectly symmetrical. You would need like laser tools to to do that today, right? I mean how the fuck they've been digging up like Viking pots in England You know from like a thousand years ago forever, and they're just shitty clay pots I'm sorry Vikings you guys were cool, but your pots were Average at best and we're supposed to believe that

3,000 years before then People could make way doper stuff. That was like why would you even choose to make something? Out of that material. It's just so hard to work with unless you were like we want this to literally last a billion years hard to work with unless you were like, we want this to literally last a billion years. You can't it's hard to even break those things, dude. Like we are the most advanced civilization, like the earth has ever seen. And the fact that we can't figure out ancient civilization shit is crazy. Yeah. And it must say like, there must be something else at play.

There must be something else that we, you know, and not to put my tinfoil hat on, but. There are other possibilities of some of these things, you know. Yeah, it's gotta be connected to something like, you know, the story, I believe, is just way wackier than we've been told. I mean, you know they have a bunch of giant pyramids

in China, right? And almost nobody knows about them because the Chinese government is, confiscates the land or has just always had it, doesn't let anyone in. No one can go close to them and they don't release any studies on it. They're just like literally a guarded thing.

Also the alleged like pyramids in the Arctic too. release any studies on it. They're just like literally a guarded thing. Also the alleged like pyramids in the Arctic too. There is so like the the iceberg on like ancient Egypt and the like just the pyramids as a concept is so deep. It runs so deep. And the deeper you go down that rabbit hole, you start to have to like accept certain possibilities, right? I've I kind of you know, I wouldn't be surprised if some outside forces You know lend their hand dude, you can just like it you can say it on the JRE Review yeah, it's like I was surprised if aliens did this shit, you know And we were we were bound to talk about this at some point. Of course we were We of course

This is what makes this episode feel like old rogue because we're already talking about Aliens making the pyramids the the only thing that was different is they want both smoke and weed during the episode Yeah, that was the one thing missing. Yeah, the one thing they're saying and they totally should into it. Maybe Danny's not into that. Maybe he's not. Weed in Bigfoot. Yeah. Do you think that it's probably a good move if they start scanning under other pyramids? Because they might, you might have better access to maybe the ones in South America, Mexico, you know? And it's reasonable to believe if there's weird stuff under the Egyptian ones, you know, there's a good chance there might be some of that shit under all of them.

That is true, but then like shady shit starts to happen where it's like, why am I not even allowed to like be in the, like, you know, even close to the the pyramids? Like there's all these government restrictions too. And I feel like they're happy you can't just walk into the pyramids No, and there must be some shit that we don't know like it's like it's like the same thing We're like it's illegal to like isn't it illegal like like go through Antarctica. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you have to yeah Yeah, like go through Antarctica? Oh yeah, yeah. Like you have to, yeah. You can't fly over it. Yeah.

Like why is that? It's never really been explained. If it's just like a, you know, if it's just ice. I think they, I think they have some lame excuse, like, oh, it's dangerous. And if you crash, like it's hard for us to come get you. It's like, we're flying over the ocean too, buddy. That's pretty dangerous.

Yeah. Like I'm not buying it. I agree 100%. And it's like there's things that, it's like Eddie Bravo, where it's like he just doesn't trust the government at all. And it's like, there's certain elements of that where I do agree where it's like, we just can't.

When it becomes like this level of, maybe there's aliens, maybe there's this involved, we can't trust that, like, the government will give people full access, and like, give us all the information we need, because this is like conspiracy territory here. Yeah, I mean, look, there's a lot of power in controlling information, right? And we already know the propaganda exists. We already know that the governments lie to their people and they do it for control, right? Also media bias, same thing.

It's like, we kind of assume the historical record is like, oh well at least that's Fact in history yet again with Graham Hancock and those guys have shown that maybe it's different You know and and that brings us to the next check mark of this episode the moon landing, you know like Warner von Braun Yeah, Nazis Like, Warner von Braun? Yeah, Nazis. Nazis operation paperclip? Like, if you're talking about, like,

government fucking cover-ups and shady shit. Dude, how dirty is that that they took a guy that basically had a missile factory in Germany and would hang the, what was it, five slowest working

Jewish people each day to scare the shit out of everyone and then they bring him to America and make him like basically a hero for NASA. Head of NASA, yeah. Dude, war crimes. However, he gets us to the moon, allegedly, and that's like, you know, the most important thing we can be doing for whatever reason now joe's been back and forth on the moon thing i don't think i've ever believed we didn't get there but i like it all it is the reason i the reason i can't be on board with that fully is because I'm just too dumb to know all the things that

I can't corroborate anything. I can't measure a fucking Van Ellen belt. I don't know anything about radiation shielding and how much a person can deal with or how a camera works in space or X, Y, and Z. Y & Z, but I do like asking the questions, you know because to me I'm like, huh that Kind of doesn't add up one thing that's always got me is they have their spacesuits, right? And they have the backpack a big block thing that I assume is batteries and a fucking heater and an air conditioning unit, right? It's got to be something like that because the temperature of the moon you can Google that and I believe it to be true it gets like really fucking hot when the sun's on it and Really cold when it's not and I'm like

how Like we don't like when people go to the Arctic or climb up Everest They don't have like heat heaters in their clothes. Like we don't really have that type of thing. I mean, maybe they had something similar, but how do you navigate those extreme temperatures and stay alive? It just, that question to me is-

I don't know. Like it's just a lot. Some of these topics make me feel like a fucking idiot because like the radiation belt you were talking about. And I believe, I'm not sure if they talked about it on this episode where I think Russia sent a fucking like dog or something. And then it died like two weeks later.

Yeah, just zapped it to death. Supposedly the radiation for a short period of time outside of the earth is very, very strong and it just can wipe out any life that's not massively shielded. And it doesn't sound like the ships that we, you know, all the Apollo missions had that type of shield and they must have had some. But I mean it wasn't like a foot of lead around the outside of this thing. Like they wouldn't have even got that off the ground. Yeah, and it's just like also the footage, the footage.

Like I just it's it doesn't look real. It's too fucking good. It doesn't look fucking real. Yeah, it's like how the fuck did they get like the camera and the flag and the shadows and then Stanley Kubrick's like whole Conspiracy behind it. There's there's so many breadcrumbs Where it's like I kind of agree with what Joe says about it where it's like he's like, yeah, I do think we went But I'm not sure if the footage is real

Yeah, there's elements that are definitely bullshit for sure sure, and I think that's reasonable to say. Just watching the footage of that car, that little buggy they took up there, they're literally peeling out on the moon, doing donuts, and I'm like, get the fuck out of here. Is that real? We really did this. We real like driving a golf cart yeah yeah it's ridiculous it's so it's so cartoony and silly i just can't believe that we don't have a

freaking telescope that can just look on the moon supposedly there were some satellite images because china has a satellite around the moon now and they've brought back some images that show the Apollo spots and some of the shit that we left behind. So I'm like, okay, well, there's stuff up there. I mean, we definitely sent stuff. It helps. Yeah, I'll have to look at that because it's like, we could have also like, to look at it both ways,

we could have also just sent some shit out there to be like just in case you know people look Let's just have like some fucking shit. Yeah, we were there anyway. Well. It's gonna be real tough to It once we can get people back there to I mean they could look at that and be like oh There's no footprints like this stuff was just dropped. Like we could do a definite investigation because nothing's going to be covered up or blown away. They say a footprint will last like a million years. Like it was, I understand what was going on with like the Cold War and everything, but it's like, yeah, you do that.

You fake it. Someone's bound to go there anyway. Someone's bound to make a telescope that will be able to see the location, you know? Right. But it's like... It's kind of like if they, let's say, the tinfoil hats are on. It was bullshit. You can't get through the Van Allen belt. It's like the, you know, Von Braun knew that it was impossible ever, or at least for like thousands of years. It was like,

there's no way we're going to be able to build a ship that can do any of this for a long time. Well, let's fake it. Say we did it knowing full well, no other country is going to be able to get there because we can't do it All you can do is just satellites. That's it. And it's just like fuck it, you know future generations They'll just have to we'll just they'll just all figure it out together though Yeah, and by then everyone would be dead It won't matter to be a hug Whatever will have lived our whole life, you know, a great, great grandkids

figure it out. And they're like, God, these guys were idiots. They were all like an asshole. Strict us. Yeah, that would have been like that would be like the biggest like fucking thing ever. If they if that was faked, how crazy would that like if that was public knowledge, that would change everything. That would be such a ripple effect of like for the world. Well, they made a good point that Around that same time, you know, there was a bunch of massive government lies taking place and

It's like oh the government's willing to lie about all these different things I can't remember what it was like MKUltra and like CIA, Iran coup stuff and you know, it was like, you know how we got into Vietnam and then etc etc right? It's like all these lies are going on and why not with a bigger one? and why not with a bigger one? Or at least lie in elements of it. It's like the only option we have is to believe all of it's true, right? And it's like, well, maybe some of it is not. And can we ask that question

without people just calling us wackos? I like asking questions. I like these. And the government was on record of lying so much at that time. And the interviews so much, the FBI. Yeah. To the interviews with the astronauts when they got back was really odd. Really? Oh, they look so defeated.

Yeah. Hostages. They like you. You have to read this or cut your head off. And then, you know, it just seemed odd. Like you would think they'd be jumping up and down, celebrating, just every, there's so many pieces that just don't make a lot of sense. And if that was true and they didn't actually go and then had to have that lie on their shoulders

while also being held as like not just American heroes, but like a world hero. Like let's be fair, Armstrong is like one of the most famous people that will ever live for that moment. And if it was bullshit, what the weight that he must have been carrying. Well it's also like that's why it's a tough conspiracy theory for a lot of people. Cause it's like, if there's lizard people, it's like, yeah,

we should look into this. That's bad. You know? But it's like with the moon landing, it sets us back if it's true. Yeah. If it's like true that we didn't go. Dude, it might be really scary. It's such a patriotic thing for the country. Like it's so, it's one of the, like, it's, it's such a patriotic thing for America. Yeah. Well's so patriotic. It's one of the, like, it's such a patriotic thing for America.

Yeah. Well, I think for the world, honestly. Oh yeah, for mankind, you know, as the quote goes. Exactly. It like really is, it's like one of those hopeful things. Like, okay, there's been war, there's been this, there's been all this awful stuff. But look, we got to the moon, guys, and we

hopped around and did donuts in a little buggy, and then we fucking came back and no one died, and that's how good we are. What do you guys think? Very smooth. Yep, so smooth. Nothing went wrong. Yeah, this massive, massive thing we did, it was, it went so smooth. Easy. When it comes to teachers though, you know, but it's crazy. It's so, so fucking crazy.

I think it's fun to play with. I like these conversations coming up again and again. I like new ideas behind it, you know, new explorations. I heard recently that they had an AI that could detect fake and altered pictures. And it had like almost a hundred percent skill set for doing this. It was like, just nailed everything.

If there was anything altered. They ran all the NASA pictures through for the moon landing and every single one of them came back according to this computer system as fate and It was it was it was a Google AI and supposedly right after that happened. They like took it down They like holy shit. Yeah. Yeah, there was some pressure behind it. They were like, well, I guess it's fake Yeah, well it means that they pressure behind it. They were like, Well, I guess it's fake. Well, it means that they were doctored somehow, right? That something was done and the system picked it up.

But my point to this is, as even our own technology expands, right? You like now the everyday person like me and you, we can delve into an investigation like this and actually do some really good work with it. Because we just use AI to look up all the information, to run some math for us, to hypothetically blah blah blah this simulation. It could this be possible if X, Y, and Z is true?

And AI will come back and give you an answer that's logical. And if shit doesn't start adding up, we're like, oh yeah, that's not, could a human survive with this much radiation for this distance at all that type of stuff? And yeah, unless Yeah, we also have to keep in mind though that like when things are digitally altered, it doesn't mean they're fake too. It might be like some kind of smudge they're editing out, you know.

An alien. So yeah, some alien waving, you know. There's many elements to it, you know. Yeah. It's like hard. That's why a lot of like, I've looked into a lot of like Loch Ness Monster, Lake Champlain stuff where there's like footage of the fucking thing.

Excellent. And people don't know because they don't have the original picture to scan. You know, it's because it's a digital remake, you can't really know. Right. And it's, it's a sensitive technology. Yeah, it can scan it and know what's fake. But it's like, again, like, unless it's looking at like the original fucking photograph, you know, coming out of the Polaroid or whatever. Sure. Like, it's hard to it's hard to make a good determination. But that's what makes it even like trickier. Well, that's actually a good point, because it's it's another element of the moon landing conspiracy that kind of leans into it so the broadcast networks had to film a

giant screen projecting What was happening on the moon? So it's like a copy of a copy When cameras were shitty and everything was black and white anyway So it's almost like that's how you would want to set it up to Make it so it was really difficult to kind of corroborate right, but that's what could be setting the AI off, you know that it's a copy of a copy of a copy

setting the AI off, you know, that it's a copy of a copy of a copy. Right, right. You know, we're like things start to like lose resolution and stuff. And like it's that that is a possibility. There's there's many ways you can look at this. That's what makes this such an interesting topic, though, is there's so many fucking angles to look at this. People just get so mad. A massive event. It's like one of humanity's's biggest achievements and it could be fake. Like it's just such an insane thing. So wild. To even play with that idea is just so fun that I don't think there's anything wrong with it at all. And yeah, I do want to bring up going forward and some of these things that were talked about is the 44

Interceptor missiles we have and talks about if we go to nuclear war with North Korea We're gonna have to fly them over Russia. Uh-huh So if if it happens we have like 10 minutes to call Putin be like, hey, hey man, the fucking nukes heading your way They're not for you. Please don't fucking nuke the country. Like, it's crazy. Yeah. Think that. Like how delicate and then they send everything off and then we have to like empty the silos and like the whole world can be nuked if there's like one little miscommunication. Yeah. And it

just takes North Korea like dropping something, you know. Dude, I think that when somebody does try something dumb like that, even with their neighboring country, right? Let's say it's North Korea, has a shitty old clunky nuke, they manage to fire it off into South Korea, and it does damage to a city, but it's small enough to where it's like we can deal with it. I think the only rule then needs to be flatline the country. Like we got to make an example to the world.

This is a massive no-no. Yeah, like you can't be fucking with world politics like that. No, like it's such a dangerous that like when we're talking about like nuclear weapons, it's such a dangerous potential. And like for miscommunications to like imagine that like with Russia like having 10 fucking minutes to clear it up with them that like we're not going to nuke you. Yeah, it's in. There must be there must be something where there's like a burner phone.

Putin has it all times. No doubt that the president could just call him up. Yeah, it's like, oh, shit, that's the nuke phone, you know. Uh huh. It's like it has to be something. Yeah. Instead of like he gets a thing on his Apple watch or something. Like there has to be some kind of thing that, you know, that doesn't lead to these miscommunications. Yeah, well, you know, they've had what they call the red phone for a long time, which is supposed to be literally a red phone, like on Batman, that goes from our president's

to Putin's office. Yeah. And, you know, but at the same time, it's like, okay, so North Korea fires the nuke, because they're being idiots. All our shit goes off immediately because that's how it's set up. Then we've got to go wake Trump up. He's 80 years old. How long does it take to get grandpa out of bed?

Like, let's be honest, no disrespect to Trump, but it's like, you know, the middle of a night and it's all go. And he's like, ah, shit, give me a diet Coke. And now he's got to pull it together and in 10 minutes call Putin. Yeah, and you know Trump's gonna hit that button, you know, but he's not, he's not fucking around.

No, he'd flatline everybody before before America yeah he's fucking slamming that button right away he's just hitting every button he's hitting both that and the coke button at the same time you know it look we laugh about it but it is a fucking terrifying idea that on top of everything else we got to think about, there's also the chance that we ourselves can blow ourselves up and more and more countries, I don't want to say all the time, but you know, it's like more countries eventually are getting nukes than not having nukes. It's not like anyone's given their nukes up. Unless our bombers go in there and stop all of that being made.

But lots of countries have nukes now. Yeah, and they're all just like fearing the unknown, you know, and they don't wanna be, like they wanna be able to defend themselves and stuff. And they're like, oh, America must have all these nukes. Russia must have all this like weaponry. Like we have to like have like fucking nukes and missiles and shit and everyone's just weaponizing right now.

Yeah. Which is terrifying. I mean, look, the concepts like that or where miscommunications can happen. They were talking about that submarine that misfired, I believe. Oh yeah. That American submarine and then Russia was like, what the fuck are you going to war with us? And it was like cleared up right away, I believe.

But that's like crazy, crazy. That has happened, you know, and it still could. We were literally that close to it ending. And it's kind of always happening. Though to be honest, when I sit back and think and I try to always just be a hopeful person, like even with these geniuses that come on and say AI is going to destroy us, and I believe they are much smarter than me and know a lot more, right? So they, therefore they should be more right than I am. I just have this feeling that, like, we'll be all

right. We're going to be all right. Everything's going to be alright. We're gonna be alright. Everything's gonna be good. We're making it a useful full tool in the same way I've just got a good feeling that we are gonna continue to avoid nuclear war. You know, we're just gonna figure it out. I do believe in aliens and maybe not the most controversial thing ever said on this podcast, but I think that like they give a shit and they don't want to see humanity fucking erased. Right. Yes. I think I think we do have a bit of a safety net. Right. Like that kind of like guardian angels.

Yeah, like there's been like, you know, some evidence that they've disarmed missiles and other things. So you never know, you never know. There's a lot of alien shit about, you know, the tall whites and grays and everything and how a lot of them are trying to keep the peace of the world.

Yeah. And I'm not sure if if like if that's true and there are aliens and they're observing us that like, yeah, they'll watch the lion eat the fucking zebra occasionally, but they're not going to let the population go away. Sure. That's kind of how I look at it. And maybe I'm too deep into the conspiracy hole there. But it feels like a safety net that like, I don't think we're alone. And I do think someone would come in, something would step in, whatever, whatever you believe in spiritual, extraterrestrial, I think something would step in, whatever you believe in, spiritual, extraterrestrial, I think something would step in.

Yeah. From letting the fucking world like implode on itself. Well, in the words of the great man, Joe Rogan himself, it's entirely possible. Yes. It just, yeah. It fucking is, man. I mean, look, this kind of thinking too

kind of gets into that whole simulation theory stuff that they talked about. It's like James Webb telescope, the early galaxies that they've discovered that shouldn't have been formed. Does that mean that the universe is older than what we thought it to be? Dark matters place? Is it like

basically data in a sense? And this whole idea, and this one's real wacky to me, this whole idea which is kind of backed up by like the quantum mechanics theories of how if something isn't observed, it kind of doesn't exist. So therefore, in a sense, before there was any consciousness, and let's say the only consciousness is Earth, which would ruin your alien theory, but let's just say it for this, then before consciousness, was the universe even here? If nothing can observe it, does it exist? I mean, that's basically what they're saying to be true. Yeah, it's like it's like that saying, like if a tree fell,

you know, right. It's it's really interesting. And even them talking about dark matter and like how matter can only exist with how with with consciousness it's a two-way thing yeah and it's just it's it's something where i just have to like just fucking puff the joint yeah i guess man you're like i gotta get to the bottom just so crazy this is this is like this is insane you know because because if like if that's true like you're right it and we are kind of the center of everything but it but it also you know there could be other like alien life and stuff that's

that's consciousness as well doesn't have to be intelligent yeah well let's say could be a planet in the dinosaur prehistoric era. Yeah. Oh, you know, but still, there's still still much of it in a universe before any life anywhere could have evolved.

Like evolution takes some time. So there's a big bang. There's a lot of light. There's tons of matter firing through space. Nothing solidified and gone solid. I mean, right then there's no life. There's tons of matter firing through space. Nothing's solidified and gone solid. I mean, right then there's no life. There's no consciousness.

Like that's pretty reasonable to accept. Therefore, if nothing can observe it or even interact with it with consciousness, does it even exist? Yeah, and then where does consciousness come from? You know? Yeah, what a weird thing. Like, like where, how did that start then?

If matter can't exist without it, then, then like, it's, it's, it makes my brain hurt. I know, I know. It's so, it's so hard. I mean, the weirdest thing is like, right, we're, we're just made up of atoms from the periodic table. We're the same as a rock or a house or a tree or anything. We're just pieces in a different order. And somehow we can therefore experience ourselves and other things. So it's like we're obviously a small part of the universe experiencing itself.

You're sounding like Bill Hicks there. Too much, we said. Yeah, so weird. I'm like experiences itself, you know, it's it's literally you know, in the head there, truly. You know, it's literally a Bill Hicks quote to it. It's yeah. And they talk about them too. Like this was just the ultimate. This is especially the the topics were bouncing between right now. the people are already looking at it as a god. And maybe that's like, we create like God, because like what's the highest level

artificial intelligence could ascend to? You know? Well, if you heard Rogan's newest theory, and a lot of people miss this because it was on the last MMA podcast. I often will skip those only just because of time. I do like a lot of them and and they often have some good bits in. I can't remember the guest. Anyway, he was talking about this graphic novel that he was making that was really

interesting. I was like, oh this it's kind of cool sometimes to learn about how interesting some of these fighters are, right? But Joe had this theory where he was like, maybe AI is Jesus. Like, when it becomes its own level of sentient, because think of the myth, the story. It's like Jesus will return. And we assume just, he just lands here, like all the lunatics around the world that think they're Jesus and try and start a cult, but maybe it comes in a different way. I mean, yeah, it's a wacky stoner kind of style. But it's, yeah, it's crazy to think like humanity killed him, but humanity also later brings him back, you know, it's like through the form of AI, it's just crazy. It's crazy to think about that shit.

Yeah. And Rogan even talks about on this episode, like he sees us merging with AI. He's like, that's what it's gonna turn into. And even it's crazy, the studies where chat GBT is like eroding critical thinking. And that study where people just like at the end of the study, people were just copy and pasting for their essays. Well they've known this for

a while that Google has definitely been making people stupider because instead of like back in the day you would have to go to a bookshelf and pull out a fucking encyclopedia and look up the thing and by doing that that whole process which is longer and involves reading and actually sorting through what you're looking for, your attention is much higher. But now we can just be like, hey, chatGBT, what's the name of the thing that does the other thing? And it's boom, there's the answer and you already forgot it and that's it. You already see it with driving. I used to know how to get to a lot of places or I would figure it out I had a much better sense of direction. I could read an old map now

I just follow the line on my phone and Sometimes I'm like, oh how what is that road or how do I get over there? When waves crashes, I'm fucked right? Well in a new city Yeah for sure, 100%. If the internet goes down, all of a sudden, none of us can go anywhere. Yeah, it's just, where does this path lead civilization? Oh, it was, it was Corey Sandhagen.

So if anybody wants to go back and listen to that MMA one even if you're not an MMA fan Though they do talk about fighting quite a lot, but it's they get into some pretty cool Philosophical shit on that one. It's I'll check that shit out because yeah some of the MMA stuff I'll like skim through you know, but that's I'll definitely Visit that that's the thing with Rogan show is like these pieces of gold Like you never know where they're gonna pop up. So yeah. Yeah and like Also, we have to mention this they they did talk about Diddy and Epstein. We gotta cover that We have to end on that we end on that. Yeah. All right, we'll end on that. Yeah, we'll end on that

but Yeah, just like also how Christ used to mean drugs. Uh huh. And that was mentioned, which was crazy to me. I had no idea. But that's so insane. Yeah. That's such an insane piece of information. And I've looked into that a little more since. And it's like, wow. Well, when you think of taking mushrooms, it's like, kind of lines up. Like, huh?

It's a religious experience. Right. How to talk to God 101. Yeah, I just hung out with Christ, you know? So what do you make of this current, like, Diddy Epstein thing? And also the fact that it was the same judge, it was Come same judge. It was a commies daughter who was the Maxwell judge and did he's that sounds

that sounds like a fucking big old conflict of interest right there. But they're both just like, ah, it's not a big deal. It's done. It's like, did they cover their ass so well? And are these tapes so valuable that it's like well we have the tapes Thanks for collecting all this information for us You know and you're you're free to go it just well, you know Rogan was saying with if we're talking about like like even with like Epstein. It's like if we're talking about like like even with like Epstein it's like

Pam bond he's like I have all these fucking tapes and then cash fatels on the podcast and he's like there's no tapes Rogan Rogan was like, you know, what was I gonna do push back and I kind of wish he did Yeah, me too. Like it's like it's like what am I supposed to like, you know, it's like ask some hard shit You know, he's just gone off on him, dude. He should have just nailed him to the wall and be like, you're not leaving this room till we get some good answers. You probably can't say that to the FBI director. That might be, it might be very, you want to get like JFK'd, you know? But yeah, I think, I honestly think Joe probably regrets not pushing a little

harder, you know? Yeah. Well, it's like it's kind of a pattern I've seen recently, like even like Mark Zuckerberg and stuff. And like some of these things were like he should. He's criticized these people in the past of like some of the things they've done. And then they're on the podcast. And he's just like, you know, it's very like, you know, like easy questions under the anthrows. Listen, I hear that often. There's actually another review show called the No Rogan podcast.

And it's done by these guys that have a lot of experience podcasting. So it's like a well produced show. However, they're not fans of Rogan. It's like a diss, you know, and they just kind of pick everything apart, which is like, if you want to have a negative type show and attitude like that, you know, oh it's popular so that must mean it's okay. Fine, if you want to live like that, that's up to you. But, you know, they often criticize Rogan and say, oh, he doesn't push back, he

doesn't ask these hard questions. It's not really a gotcha show. It's a it really is not even technically an interview show. It's just two people getting to know each other. And it's not like Rogan has never pushed back against something that was really fucked up. And yeah, there are elements where he probably is a little bit politer to either more powerful or more famous people, you know. But there's not a lot to be gained often by like coming at somebody. And I think it probably would make other people less likely to go on the show. And Rogan just wants more access to conversations. That's that's really what he's looking for. Yeah, Joe Rogan, he isn't Howard Stern, you know, exactly. And his whole thing, and he's

talked about this many times, is he just wants to like have a conversation with with unique people. You know, he just wants to shoot the shit. He wants to talk about whatever elk, aliens, Bigfoot, whatever the fuck, you know, what they're doing, what their day to day life is, how they manage their crazy fucking managing a social media company, you know, running the country. Like it's more of like, like, how are you, though? You know, yeah, it's like you do all this of like like how are you though you know yeah it's like you do all this but like are you like what is your life like and that's like what i've really

gotten out of it you know yeah but and also he if you look at it take the zuckerberg podcast for example you know people are like oh he didn't really hit him too hard about like the fbi and the people are like, oh, he didn't really hit him too hard about like the FBI and the, um, you know, the censorship and these sorts of things. But, but he allowed Zuckerberg to explain his version of it. And we all made our decisions afterwards. We were all like, that's not, that's kind of lame. You know, you're saying you won't do it again. You did it the first time, bro. Not cool. But when Zuckerberg brought up that he's bow hunting, like he was hitting a lot of points that he knew Rogan would like. The jiu jitsu one's more legit

because he does train and he has been to tournaments. So it's like, all right, legit. Talking about bows and then Joe was like, what kind of release do you have? What kind of bow do you have? What kind of this and that? Or who set it up for you? And he just, Zuck just kind of bow do you have? What kind of this and that? Who set it up for you? And he just

Zuck just kind of stopped. He's like you weren't supposed to ask follow-up questions. I did not do enough research, but basically what Joe is doing there, he's like, oh you like this, but do you really know anything about it? Is it real? And that's Joe's version of gotcha in the sense of like, let's explore this. Let's see if you're actually, if you've got this. I just don't think there's a lot of advantage really to really hit people too hard in an interview. Yeah, and I think it's like Joe kind of setting up the guest for the audience, you know,

cause he knows the audience if they fucking, if the guy, you know, shows his hand, the audience is gonna fucking rip them apart. So I think that like Joe's just leaving it to the comments. 100%. 100%. That's the gallery, you know, that's the shooting gallery that he just opens up. He's like, all right, this is this guy. Go. What do you think? I mean, look, studio, and he's like, I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio

and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio

and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go to the studio and I'm going to go book the whole time. But Joe was respectful, really, you know, didn't call him out and say, I think you're full of shit and any of these things. He didn't need to. As soon as the pub was over, the online forums, the chats, the comments destroyed that guy. And it's like, there you go. That's how he's already looking like a fucking moron in front of everybody. Total. Yeah.

Yeah. Anyway, let's wrap it up for today. Thanks, Brandon, as always. Great to have you on. And yeah, Danny Jones, check it out. Can't wait for him. Absolute pleasure. Great.

Great episode. Yeah. Awesome. Loved it. We'll talk to you guys next week. Later. Later!