Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 459 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Mike Baker

Episode Date: August 14, 2025

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You're listening to the Joe Rogan Experience Review. What a bizarre thing we've created. Now with your host, Adam Thorne. This might either be the worst podcast. Eight, two, one, go. Enjoy the show. Welcome back to the Joe Rogan Experience Review. We have a pretty juicy episode here.

I'm, of course, joined by Adam, and we will be covering episode 2,355. The Mike Baker appearance. he is making his what 500th appearance on this podcast at the least uh and uh and there's a lot to talk about man and i just want to say before we would jump into this the comments on this episode are just amazing we got to hit the comments we got to hit those comments are great the top comment almost 9000 likes mike baker once again changing the batteries for the bugs he put in joe's studio i think that's very accurate especially with the context of what's in this episode.

Like the contents, it's insane. The topics they cover, the responses by Mike Baker. And I just want to say this, man, it's like if I have a lot of questions about conspiracies, about the government, I feel like the last person I'm going to ask or the last group of people I'm going to ask are the feds, you know, and that's what this feels like. And that's what I feel like all this shit has been with Cash Patel, all these appearances. It's like it just feels like it's propaganda, some of these. And we can totally get into some of this Epstein stuff and his, what he's saying with,

it's like a Chinese asset and a lot of this fence sitting. And his kid, you know, of course makes a, his kid obviously has to get a shout out. Yes. For every episode he's on, you know, Bugsy, whatever the fuck his name is. But Adam, what are your general thoughts on this episode? Well, I mean, I have to say it's Mike Baker at his usual, his best. He knows how to modulate well.

I have to give him credit because, as always, he's one of the first. He's one of the kind of OG legit guess. that Rogan ever got on, especially from something like the CIA, which is amazing. You know, so I always give him kind of the benefit of the doubt, but also he, I have to say, he's never bringing on something that is an absolute game changer. And I feel like he's in a place to do it. Maybe he doesn't know, but I would like him to speculate a little bit more. It's like the only conspiracy that he really cares about is MLK.

And even that one, he's just kind of, you know, almost been backpedaling from recently. He's definitely, you know, a corporate man still. But. And when he's backpedaling on conspiracies from like 50 whatever years ago, it's like he's obviously going to keep his shit shut for modern stuff oh 100% you know and that's that's also something I want to touch upon his his FBI you know or CIA I mean status where it's like former CIA that's what everyone's saying it's he's former CIA in quotations I would put because I do totally believe he has connections and he's still working with certain people

yeah I don't think you ever really retire from that job And like he said, he's still going back there and, you know, he's got a show coming out about the museum that they have. I mean, he's still playing the game. I don't know if it's like, oh, they're going to cut off my retirement or, you know, I've like retired in shame or whatever. But I don't know, dude. I think he's been on Rogan enough to where he should get brave and he should start. really coming out with his own, separate to the agency, but his own feelings on this stuff and be like, you know what, this seems fucked.

And I think on this podcast, since a lot of it was talking about Epstein, he could be braver because it wasn't directly about the CIA. It's mostly about the administration and the FBI. And you can only imagine that the CIA and the FBI have a bit of a rivalry. So he may have a bit of extra rope to kind of throw some shit that way. I'm not sure. Yeah, I'm not really sure either. And it's all speculation at this point.

But he definitely answered the Epstein stuff way better than cash did, in my opinion. But there was a lot of fence sitting. there was a lot of fence sitting with about everything brought up where he's like I see why you know there's some issues but I also understand this perspective well it's just bad messaging Trump's dealing with all this stuff but I understand this point of view too like there was really no clear hey this is what's up right this is what needs to be done this is what's going on yeah it's like yeah who you know who knows anyway you know

bugsy fucking got his first direction it's like who like who fucking cares you know wasn't that hilarious the misdirect dude the misdirect I love it it's so true wasn't that fucking hilarious what was it um

yeah I wrote it down Joe starts criticizing Trump with like you know yeah it was supposed to be this whole no war thing and drain the swamp and then what's going and then Mike Baker's phone rings and then he's like yeah so

bugsies you know and then they move on that was it was almost like wow the bugs are fully juiced well he even didn't even say my phone is definitely on vibrate he's like it's on look i did the thing here and it's i don't know dude it's almost as bad as his cough where joe had to be like dude what the fuck is going on over there you're okay you're fucking this up yeah the CIA's listening it sounds like well you know he I was asked by Rogan, you know, did they ever tell you anything about coming on?

And he ums and Oz and, you know, over explains, which is always, you know, a bit of a sign of somebody being coached potentially, you know. I don't know for sure. Yeah, he's like, oh, no, they don't. I mean, they would never, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, okay, just say yes or no.

But now that you said that about the phone, you're 100%, dude, I'm completely on board with that. That was suspicious, and they did try some misdirect. Rogan kind of brought it back. He was like, all right, right back to this. But, you know, because Rogan isn't being like a gotcha journalist, I don't want to say it's easy to misdirect, but he has to really hammer on a point, which does create some conflict. And I feel like Rogan's just at a point where he's not trying to do that. He's like, I'm bringing stuff to the audience, just like he did with Cash Patel.

And he goes, let's let the mob decide. It's kind of where I'm feeling he is. I totally know what you mean. And he mentions that in this episode specifically where he addresses the criticism he got with Cash Patel, where people are going, why didn't you push? And he was like, well, you know, I'm just going to let the comments and the people, people, you know, put two and two together because it's pretty obvious that, you know, everyone has their, their messages wrong.

Everyone, you know, has their stories mixed up because he was talking about, yeah, well, there's like three fractures in his neck or whatever, and that would be impossible by, you know, unless he was attacked or strangled or something. Because if he hung himself, it would be impossible for all those bones to break at once. But it's just a fucking mess. And then the footage, the two minutes of footage. And it's just like, I feel like Mike Baker, all he really said with all this stuff is like, yeah, it's bad messaging. You know, it's just the whole the bad messaging of the, it's like, yeah, well, like, you know, fucking no shit.

And it's bad messaging because I feel like certain people don't want certain things to be public. And, you know, not to jump the gun here with talking about the Epstein stuff in this. episode, but like he really was fenced sitting so hard on the Epstein stuff. And then he kept bringing it around to it's a Chinese asset.

And then they start talking about blackmail. And he's like, no, blackmail doesn't work. Dude, you're in the CIA. Are you fucking kidding me? Blackmail doesn't work? CIA has

experience with blackmail. Are you kidding me? Yeah. But it just, just seems like it's such a fucking like it's it's such a mess like no one has their stories straight everyone's just trying to misdirect and then bringing it back to like foreign you know intelligence and oh it's a chinese operation or it's a russia thing by the way obama let's obama you know don't think about yeah he even said that um the epstein stuff is distracting us from other things that are happening,

which was a real red flag for me. Yes. Yeah. That's when I was like, oh, he's compromised. That was the smoking gun for me. It's like, what are you trying to say is happening instead of this? Like, this is what everybody wanted to see. And we just supposed to go, all right, fine.

We trust your investment. investigative journalism, you know? We, like, I mean, they said that they had the list. They said that there are hundreds or if not thousands of hours of footage. We know all these people are on all these planes. And now there's nothing. I mean, at least be like, hey, yeah, it was Bill Gates. He did, he did the things.

It was him. Yeah, Tom Hanks fucked a kid. Yeah. Uninstall Microsoft now. Use Linux. You know, that's the guy. But they went from not even trickling us out some bullshit to saying there's nothing to see here. It is honestly, I feel like it's a sci-up to see how fucking gullible we are. Like, will we really stand for this? And maybe we will. Maybe a lot of us will. Maybe give us. some time like everything it just passes and then it washes away but it only encourages more of this bullshit in the future and joe rogan is playing this role of he wants his cake and he wants to eat it too you know where he doesn't want to question and make these people like no he wants to question and make these people like uncomfortable and get the truth out but at the same time he wants to be friends with all these people like he wants to build close connections he doesn't

want to make enemies but at the same time he wants the truth it's like you can't it's one or the other you know and he's playing in this in this middle territory where it's just like it's it just turns the show at times into a propaganda machine well it's either that he knows the best way for himself to get the information is to give the guest a good experience and then get a bit of behind the scenes that he doesn't air. We already know that happened with Bob Lazar. Bob Lazar, that was one of the biggest Rogan podcast of all time, Bob said on air, I'll talk to you about this afterwards.

And he talked to Rogan about some things that Rogan's never talked about. So to be fair to the ideology that Rogan created for his show, he's like, I just want to have interest in conversations. I never expected it to get popular. Therefore, and not that it's selfish, but it's about him getting the information. Now, I think he is open and would love to give us as much as he can. That's kind of like why he does the show and he gives us a lot. He gets these people in front of us. He talks to them. He gets in there. But if he's trying to get a whole of something that no one can talk about, then kind of let him do it, I think. I mean, it's a bummer as a viewer or a listener or a fan, but if it's, if, if the choice is

this, he that doesn't get it or he does, then let him get it. Because I feel like it's going to slip out on a future podcast. And maybe when he gets real old and he has an even bigger security staff, he's just like, okay, guys, I'm going to break this down. This is what I've learned over the years. Maybe it all comes out. I'm optimistic that that's going to happen. And just to build off of your point about the like, you know, after air conversations,

one that I would kill to be a fly on the wall for is the Paul Stammet's. I believe his name is, the mushroom guy. Oh, yeah. Have you seen that episode where he's like, this is an explosive area of conversation, and my life is at risk? Oh, for the... But he's talking about how...

What kind of mushroom... Yeah, it's like the everyday mushrooms that you get in the store. It's the ones with, like, the brown gray top. Not the white ones, the other ones. Yeah. And it was like just talking about the benefits of it. I believe her or something like that. No, they were poisonous.

Oh, really? Yeah, they were poisedness. I'll have to also look back at that, but that just was something that reminds me of that. And it's like, wow, that's something I would fucking care. Portobella. Portobella, yes. Portobella mushrooms. Basically, they have, like, high levels of toxins, according to him.

And there's big mushroom out there, like big tobacco. And they put pressure on him enough. to scare the shit out of him, and he never went further. Dude, I'm not going to lie, I have backed off at times from buying those mushrooms just because I remember that episode. Also, it's not that effective because other times I bought them and I just eat them and they're delicious. But I don't know.

I don't feel like he's nuts, you know? I don't feel like he's just making up bullshit. There's something there. yeah well that's something that's really genuine because he's not like you know dancing around the question he's straight up being like hey like i could die from answering this question so i'm just not going to well and imagine if like other guests did shit like that like mike baker you know or cash patel where he's like i just i cannot answer that i'm sorry like you would just like the credibility would would start to you know come out of these episodes

and some of these answers because it's like, oh, he's, he's genuine and he knows he can't give us things instead of just being like, yeah, you know, I fucking, I hunt elk and I'm smoking a cigar, and yeah, we're on the same page, you know, or we're, you know, discussing Cash Patel here, but yeah, like even Mike Baker when he was talking about Cash Patel, it's like, yeah, man, I don't know, it's weird. It's weird that he said that, you know, and it wasn't real, like, criticism. I don't know. It's just, it was real interesting how everyone's answering this Epstein stuff. It's all like different levels of mind games.

Yeah. Well, look. Where, yeah. Mike is, he's still like interfacing with a lot of these people that are putting him in good positions for TV shows. He's got to keep his credibility. He doesn't want to lose it. He doesn't want to be seen as like the Joe Rogan, you know, conspiracy guy, so he steps away from it to think that Cash Patel in his current position

couldn't have positive influence over something the Mike's doing. I mean, hey, they're all trying to buy their next jet skis. I get it. You know? How much of an influence do you think the CIA had on him being on the episode and like pushing certain topics or certain narratives? I don't know. I'm inclined to believe. him when he says that they don't push me to do things, you know? I think there might be like a bit of a briefing potentially, but I think it's like a post briefing. I think that if he comes on an episode and pushes some boundaries, they might have a chat with him, but then it's almost kind of legit because they do have rules. And like he said, I think they do trust him to not go too

far, which is a lot of what we're talking about. He doesn't. He doesn't push envelopes, you know? It's like, it's fair enough that he's on. He has the credibility. He has really interesting opinions on a lot of stuff. You know, he knows a great deal about how the world works, you know, in the kind of like darker realm and how the cogs are turning. But at the same time yeah he's not willing to throw out a crazy idea at all especially anything that pushes back against what the CIA is yeah and i found a lot of his topics like really interesting too like regardless i feel like maybe people are going into it and being like well he has to uncover everything you know i do enjoy a lot of the elements of just like two guys just shooting the shit

on this um and some of his opinions on the whole like Obama, Russian thing where I do see where he's coming from where he's like, yeah, it's just not going to happen where the truth's never going to come out. There's too many layers. And like, that's so true, especially with a lot of the things going on now. And like insight like that, I do find really interesting because it's like fuck. Like he is right. And being like a former CIA or former quotations, it makes sense because unless something

is just so in the open and so obviously corrupt or guilty, you know, it's not, nothing's happening, you know, and we see that in time and time again. But hearing him just say that and that coming out of his mouth was like just really reassuring how fucked everything is. Yeah. I mean, what kind of raise semi-barrels with me is a bit of a bit of gaslighting that I felt like he was doing when he was speculating that maybe the Epstein intelligence. ties suggests that there may be like Russian and Chinese intelligence involved and honestly that seemed like it was deflecting from possible like CIA and Mossad involvement and I'm like why why Chinese and Russian like how does this play into this it's always China or Russia you

know that is the easy to blame him press the press either or button if there's a problem and Mike doesn't, Mike doesn't care for either of them, right? Oh, yeah. Oh, for sure. Yeah. And I just feel like instead of just like lying or saying some bullshit, just don't just like move on or just don't answer it or find some way around it. But it's just like I really hate that shit where it's like so obvious. Like it's like what you're saying.

We're not fucking stupid with this shit. And look at the comments, you know, all the comments. There wasn't one that was like, you know, that was a nice. fun, insightful conversation. I learned so much. All the comments were critical. People are out for blood, baby. They are not any, any like downplaying of anything right now is just getting destroyed. And, you know, even if that's the wrong attitude or the wrong direction to take, I respect it because it reflects the frustration in front of everybody. You know what I mean? yeah yeah and i think the cash patel thing was the you know yeah it was like building up over time

but that was like that became the the thing where everyone's like all right we need to fucking be on top of this like people are obviously lying because that was such an obvious like wow way to just and even joe's talking about it how the guest is compromised oh yeah he doesn't like he doesn't trust cash at all yeah he won't be back gone he's not coming back on it's crazy because like you know someone like that you know like the the the status that guy has and for joe to completely like be critical about him like what a week or two later i don't think that's ever happened on the podcast i mean other than that like someone that big no true you know i mean the the closest thing to my mind is that egyptian

um pyramid guy that yeah but joe was just like fuck that guy but you're right yeah you're right this is like the director of the FBI right like this is this isn't a fucking like you know here's the thing here's the thing I feel like these guys had a good path for top podcast access for a long time okay whether it was Trump whether it was JD Vance whether it was um cash Tulsi, and now I think that they have mostly burnt those bridges, honestly. I mean, Trump could always get on whatever he wants, but whether people are going, whether it's going to win favor or not, I don't know at this point. I think everyone's suspicious while they're up to.

I hate to bring up Andrew Schultz, but he literally, like, the past few episodes has just been completely bashing like the the current administration where before he was a massive Trump guy at Trump on and all these people on and now he's like he's he's so against it dude but that's all these not the only one there's like there's massive MAGA reporters that are like the equivalent of Fox News but even more MAGA immediately flipped I mean it's I mean it's I mean The fact that podcasters would go back and forth is not that much of a surprise to me. I mean, their loyalty is the comedy and what's interesting, right? They're called bullshit, wherever they see it, you know.

But when you see people that their whole identity is the politics behind this, and they know the momentum that they need, meaning Maga's in, we believe in MAGA, we got to support this. Yet also they're like, you know what? I don't like this. I don't even care. Forget it. They suck. Get them out.

And cheers the bad friends for just keeping it fucking real. Legendary. Legendary. One of my favorite podcast. Yeah. Same man. Of all the time. Even Andrew, he said on our recent episode, he's like, we were the only fucking ones who just stay out of all this bullshit.

And now everyone's backpedaling. And it's like, yeah, we're just comics. We're just funny guys. We don't fucking know any of this. this shit. So we're just going to stay out of it. And I had amend them for that. Yeah. But the thing is with Rogan, he's always had a political podcast. There's always been a drive for conspiracy in finding the truth. So it makes sense. It makes sense he's having all these people on. But an issue arises when it just becomes a platform for people to just kind of spew

their misinformation and for him to kind of just nod along. And I think, now he's kind of realizing that people are doing this and people are coming on to his podcast just to like, you know, spread propaganda. And I don't think he's having any more of it. No. I think he's going to make people stand by their word more. And, you know, I think about how he could potentially do it. And an interesting process could be that he's like, all right, what is your platform?

what are you doing can i have you on in six months to like hit those points and at least see if you stood by it like he could be the sounding board of accountability and also enjoy it you know you know how he has a diversion anytime someone's like hey joe you should run for president he's like fuck off i'm not doing it like fair play to him no why would he do that however he is going to interview him he wants access to them right if he just says no to any politicians i think that's a bad move because it's a good sounding board you know for them to play out their ideas but if he had a process where he's like right i've seen this before i've seen people say something and then flip it and it's one thing to come on this pod and say all the right things and gain a lot of positive traction which

Trump definitely did when he came on. I mean, Trump was arguably won him the election, honestly. It was, I would say it's Trump's greatest performance. And I don't want to take anything away from him as being a character or whatever, but he, he did all the right things to make people believe that this is who's in front of him. and I think it's reasonable for for Rogan to be able to be like all right come back on you're the president now I just want to hold your feet to the fire not to upset you but because really no one else can you're the most powerful politician in the world arguably and what's going on here and yeah is

is it it does the list exist is it a democrat hoax Is it real, but is it like, what the fuck? Yeah. Oh, there's so many messages. There's so many people spreading all these different things, you know, even J.D. Vance and Tim Dillon went to dinner recently. And J.D. Vance is like, yeah, it's all just like commercial pornography. And then someone's saying there's no footage. It's like, what the fuck? Dude, did you, did you see Tim's response?

To what exactly? Because there's. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he, he is not standing for it at all. He is like, that sounds like some huge bullshit. Administration, I've been heavily implicated. I'm not going to name names. And so, but you nailed it.

When you brought up Netanyahu, so let me, if you've got time here. I have to, we have all the time in the world. I just want to add when Bondi said we have 10,000 hours of video. She said we have 10,000 hours of video. I had dinner last week with the. vice president. He told me that that was commercial pornography. They do not have videos of any powerful person in a compromising position. That's the party line that they're going with. If that's the case, why would Pam Bondi call it evidence? Why would she say it's evidence? She's not an

idiot. She's the attorney general. Why would she say she has files on her desk if not None of these implicated anybody. It just feels like they're, they're covering something for sure. They are covering something for sure. And, you know, honestly, I love that Tim is, dare I say, brave enough. Like, you could say, oh, he's a comedian, whatever. No, he got, he was allowed to go to that dinner. J.D. Vance is meeting up with him.

He's seen as an ally. They're all playing a game. this is a big game of chess, and they are trying to persuade these podcasters, which, let's be fair, the mainstream media is always like, that's not media, that's not journalism, they're a joke. But let me tell you this, you're not going to be able to buy one of these guys. And we already know the Wall Street Journal, the Post, any of these, you can buy them. You can just buy the whole paper if you want to. But good luck buying 10.

Yeah. Yeah. And that says something. And how crazy is that? It sure does. And how crazy is that, you know, getting dinner with J.D. Vance. And then two days later, like, doing a show with Alex Jones. It's like, what the fuck state of the world?

Amazing. And his journalism in right now. It's like, what the fuck is going on? But just so entertaining. Like, this is such, regardless what you think about all this bullshit, all these cover-ups, I do have to admit, this is such an entertaining time in history. because it's like crazy the stakes are so fucking high yeah for some like we can find out that the most powerful people in the world are pedophiles and contributed to a child sex trafficking

islands like this is fucking crazy dude this is like a basement conspiracy theory and now it's like mainstream discussion yeah it's like dr seuss has had a nightmare and started right he writing new kinds of books and you're just like wait what's going on on an island back to the island though gis lane what do you what do you make of what the charges are for this person like it makes no sense so there's nothing on the list nothing happened it's a bunch of child porn on epstein's computer i mean why is she in jail for 20 years then yeah that's that's that's the whole thing that's like crazy serving time and now you know trump even mentioned yeah i can pardon her if i want you know and now i believe she was moved to a uh a prison in texas a few days

ago oh she's getting like manicures and massages she's in her she's doing yoga she's at a spot it's like what the fuck and and i i read things that arguably she was more involved in the business side of all this then geoffrey so i don't know i just i don't know anymore i really have no fucking clue what's going on but what would the business side be if there's nothing on the list dude what is she what is she ordering pizza yeah yeah she's drinking the blood of children at this opra you know child sacrifice orgy who the fuck knows anymore yeah i have no fucking but everyone gets a free card an Oprah event so it's totally worth it you get a pentagram you get a you get a panegram you get a witch's head I just I don't fucking know man it's crazy and like even this shit yeah

like I think it'd be coolest to smoke a cigar with Mike Baker but when he says shit like yeah I'm not a big conspiracy guy I'm not really a big conspiracy guy dude the CIA invented the term conspiracy they are they are that like it's just it's it's it's a fucking i feel like doing this it's like i'm pretty sure it stands for conspiracy investigation association right like that's what people don't know they don't know they give it a different name yeah but it's just it's insulting and it's just so entertaining and it feels like a lot of this shit feels like an episode of south park which, you know, I do just want to bring up how fucking awesome that episode was.

Please God. Did you watch? Oh, my God. And they brought it up at the beginning of the episode, too. If anyone has not seen this, stop what you're, turn this podcast off immediately. Go watch it. I have given like five people my Paramount Plus login just because they're like, I can't watch yet and I'm like forget it here's the login you have to see this zero people have said that

that wasn't one of the funniest things they've ever seen in their life I was dying dude I haven't laughed that hard for so long I think the nation needed this I think the world needed this I think they're heroes I loved it everyone did except Trump except Trump was the only guy that was like mother fuckers which was the point you know but but it's it's just so nice to like you know that's the whole thing with like people being like comedy is illegal make comedy legal again where it's like this was some fucking edgy comedy there were slurs in it there it was just fucking balls to the wall and libs loved it uh republicans loved it like it's like this is fucking great and it's like we

finally found something to come together on yeah i think i think honestly the maga report side was more behind this episode than anybody they're the most they're the most crazy is that they're the most hurt they were the most invested they feel shit on and they have a huge platform and they have gone berserk and you are right sir i will say that the nation has come together stronger during that episode of south park than anything else in the last dare i say decade dare i say it I'm saying it right now on the end. Nothing more than Trump's dick with googly eyes. That's what did it.

Who knew? Who knew that would be the thing? I'll tell you. I'll tell you who knew it. Two of the greatest comedic minds of the last thousand years. I mean... Dude, the balls. The balls.

Unbelievable. You know, what was it? 1.5 billion that's like and it was a 50 episode deal three million an episode wow and they're just and and they're just fucking playing chicken and you know what you know what i would say i would say that the studio got a good deal that's how good they are i don't even know if you can really put a price on this what what other tv series is like right and what other tv series is like right and what other TV series is like when an episode drops every single fucking news outlet is talking about a nonstop dude you know do you think a simpsons is ever come up in a press briefing no i mean

yeah yeah good good luck family guy right and and and everyone tried to do trump family guy tried to do trump uh simpsons tried this was fucking great and all the the republicans were like fuck it's it's It's propaganda, it's bullshit. This was fucking funny. This was comedy. It was. This was true comedy. It was.

It's back. It's back, baby. You know, and they've been saying that for a long time. Like, I watched Tropic Thunder the other day, right? At the studio. It was, the wife was out of town. I had a bit of space. I just had an evening.

I wanted to watch one of those classic, ridiculous. And I mean, everyone's in Tropic Thunder, dude. If you haven't watched that for a while, go back. Enjoy. Jack Black, Ben Stiller. Tom Cruise steals the show and everyone is amazing. Robert Downey is a legend in that. But, you know, you're watching it and you're like, they can't do this today. But who's to say when South Park just steps up and goes, oh, yeah, hold my beer.

Watch this. Masterpiece. If they, yeah, and it's like, that's a great point because if they did that episode, say they made something. back in the day and this is like you know maybe it's not even a cartoon but they did the same criticism with regan you know when that whole thing was going on and it was same context everything people might look at that and be like you know no way you can do that today you know and this with with trump's dick and everything like and he's taking off all his clothes it's like it's crazy it's crazy and it's and it's on it's on fox it's on cnnbc it's on everywhere everywhere

social media everything everything and on i mdb this is crazy it's the it's tied in second place for the highest rated south park episode ever what's what's number one please tell me is the scientology episode i it's uh i think it's scotteterman oh that was good classic that's classic i was watching i was watching south park recently because of the the real quick the episode where uh cartman uh his mom tries to like fucking make him behave so she she she calls uh caesar the dog whisperer to train him it's so good at south park's great there it's just what's it season 27 what fucking show but but like back to your point it's like they've had so many bangers so many amazing episodes like when he ate that ginger kid in the chili or

whatever there's like there's so many there are just the warcraft one too unbelievable warcraft was amazing there's just so many moments that are priceless to think that in their brand new season 27 seasons later they immediately jumped to the number two spot again I mean their timing is if they had done this three weeks before before any the Epstein stuff. There was so much like pro-Trump, pro-Maga, like all this energy that at best they could have won half the demographic, but not even. And then there would have been a lot of hate. It's almost like they, they just have their finger on the pole so hard. There's just no mess with them. They're like, hey, pay me one and a half billion. But also, we release whatever episode we

want as soon as we need to and they're just they're sitting on like a gold mine ready to explode date apparently they the like the episode came out or whatever or they started writing it like a day after the contract was signed no doubt and it's like so funny because it's like the white house made a statement and they're like yeah no one gives a fuck about south park it's like why did you know they get paid 1.5 billion the record breaking not a bigger deal has ever been signed oh yeah because they're not simpsons simsons aren't disney plus didn't disney plus paid them like what 10 bucks to be on their service this is 1.5 billion what other fucking media what was rogan paid for spotify it wasn't billion right no no no i mean listen that was and that was a record

breaking deal as well oh yeah biggest in podcasting ever his next year supposedly was like you know he kept it more hidden this time but it's like it was twice what it was for sure you know and even that hundred million dollar deal they think was closer to 200 but it still didn't touch you know listen dude when you get paid 1.5 billion and i don't want to sound like i work for the government but it clearly is because they're not important and nobody finds them funny and they're irrelevant and they're just paying them to just go do something else. So I think Trump had a point and his point sucked and nobody was going to believe him. The fact that you would even throw that down. I mean, why? Listen, there's a reason he backed off from Elon when Elon just threw out on Twitter that the

reason he's not releasing the files is because he's on him. And Trump really didn't say that much crazy shit towards Elon. It was surprising. Yeah. How interesting is that? He should have followed the same role with South Park, honestly. It's like there are certain forces you can't fight. You can't rebuttal this. And that's what everyone's saying. It's like Trump just needs to shut the fuck up about this because there's nothing he can say one point it's because that's the whole thing you're irrelevant 1.5 billion you know you can't you can't say anything just move on move on do you think that there's a path for him to regain trust there's only one way there's only one way and i don't think he likes it and it's just slap him on the table the fucking epstein list you that as joe said in this episode

specifically that is the line in the sand yeah and everyone everyone agrees everybody agrees that's what started this whole thing against him and all these podcasters that was the whole thing and and you know that was this whole selling thing you know i'm not sure if you've seen the videos where it's like people being like you know like jd vans and stuff being like all right who makes some noise if you want the the epstein files to be released and everyone's going and then he's saying you guys are still talking about Jeffrey Epstein that creep it's like it's it's like I thought we the whole thing was like draining the swamp you know and that is the deepest layer of it that is like the fucking core that is the bog that is the center of the swamp yeah that should be all all

everyone aim you know towards that that is when that shit gets out when all these people you know when justice gets done it's like people don't understand and like even Rogan's like yeah he's talking about the whole thing with cameras and he's like obviously they were fucking filming everything he was a fucking like creep

and and perverted and he was saying yeah you know it makes sense because people just these high celebrity thing people just want to party with like hot chicks and stuff we got to remember these aren't just fucking hot chicks they're fucking like

they're like 12 year old girls Yeah. They're children. Flown in from like Eastern Europe and Russia, dude. Right. This isn't a ditty party. This is a fucking like child sex ring. And people that are in movies, millioners, all this stuff are involved. This is the fucking swamp. We see the swamp. We see it. And there's the fucking thing. You just have to lift to drain the whole thing. There's the plug right there. And you have your hand on it and you're not doing shit yeah that's what it feels like and i hate you know to because you know to to to kind of point

size because trump does align like joe is he does say he's a centrist but i feel like he's more of a conservative recently yeah i mean listen since covid um but try living in l.a with gavin newsom during covid it changes a man dude that would change it change me you know and i don't i don't i don't I've never voted Republican. I'm not saying I'm on their side, and I certainly don't like what Trump's doing with this Epstein stuff. But I was very frustrated with what was happening in my localized state. And it's not that localized.

It's like 10 times bigger than England. And being English, I'm allowed to be like, this is a big place. And this fuck is out of control. It was enough to swing us because we love that place, dude. A lot of people did. and they went wacky and yeah I think there's some PTSD

you know I don't want to I don't want to upplay it like it's not real trauma but it was it was pretty fucking upsetting for the people that live there so I get where

Rogan's coming from dude did I ever tell you I was in the comedy store the day before it closed no really so we went to stand up on the spot. Have you ever heard of that? Jeremiah Watkins. Yeah. Yeah. So I knew that group well and Brian got

me in. They'd sold tickets but he was like the manager guy that and I get in and it was it was kind of beautiful dude because Rogan just he just kind of stopped doing their suggestions and went into like an hour and a half of his feelings of what's happening, his thoughts on moving, where he thinks things will go if everything continues, that he didn't know if the store was going to close down or not, that these shutdowns didn't seem helpful to what was going on, even though we were all trying to figure it out, right, and people being like mostly overly cautious and all the rest of it. I have to say, I don't know where I'd put it. It wasn't really stand up. It wasn't really a TED talk, but it was...

It sounds like a very Bill Hicks, like, just, just, like, just like, just, I gotta just fucking talk about this. I would say this. It's, it's the most beautiful, private Rogan podcast that only 60 people got to hear and is now in the

ether and lost forever. And only for the audience members that were there. And it, he captured, he captured so much of what was happening. Like, His finger is on the pulse of where it's at. It doesn't mean that he has all the answers or knows what's going on,

but he's not missing a beat when it comes to this. And the fact that he made the changes he did right after the Spotify deal, too. Moving was huge. That was like basically a big red flag at Spotify. They had to have a meeting with him. Like, what are you doing moving from L.A.? where do you think you're going we just signed you he's like i got to do it from my family dude it was like bravery and and just like clear-headedness it helped me it wasn't long after

that i was like you know what fuck l i'm out and i love that place they handled covid so fucking poorly i have a few friends out there in bands and they were saying they were doing backyard shows 10 minutes later a fucking chopper circling that house dude we would do it in venice we would go to venice we had outdoor stuff we had people friends that would like set up a show we would learn the rules separate the tables cops are just coming and shut it down dude we could not do comedy it was impossible we were left to like zoom and you can imagine how good that shit was dude the zoom shows kill yourself i will never fucking miss in my life no brutal there's not an open mic

on Zoom. That was fucking hell. Dude, there's, there's no one that exists that thought that was a good idea after the fact. Disaster. Nobody. I love hearing about that that shit like going on now. Like, yeah, I'm doing the Zoom show. I'm like, what the, you know, you could go outside

again, right? It's like you're still doing fucking comedy on Zoom? Like, are you, like, there's nothing to gain out of that. It's just so crazy. They've always been going in wacky directions. I mean, that was you know, I had friends that went into they were just like actually good standups and they went fully into improv because they dated some girl and then nobody ever heard from them again it's like what a slippery slope where

are you going slippery is what are you doing terrible yeah it was a wild time and i think i think that's why a lot of the direction that he's taken also he's now in texas so there's pressures there you know he's being introduced to new things and he's like well this is fun you know well he's got the pressures of being the nucleus of a whole new comedy scene now you know the mothership he's running a club he's doing like four episodes of the fucking podcast he's doing spots all the time he's doing shows everywhere it's a lot of shit he's dealing with it really is and he's like I know he says all this shit about the mainstream media and everything

but like it's like hey man you're kind of turning into that like you like not to say you're on the same level of like misinformation and just all this bullshit but like people there's people are going

to you more than what we call today the mainstream media you know the mainstream media is taking notes from your podcast in terms of, like, how to gauge listeners. Yeah. I do feel like podcasting is getting to the point in our culture

where people are going towards that more than shit like CNN, Fox News, all that other stuff, stuff we would call mainstream media. And I think that's something a lot of podcasters have to start admitting. But what would you say changes there, right? it's like I speak to people about it and they're usually people that don't listen to a lot of Rogan and and I suggest things I'm like what would you think if he had a team of investigative journalists that could like fact check live on the air and also brought up talking points for him during the show and they're usually behind it and I'm like I sit back and think about it and I'm like yeah it would make

his show more factual, it would make it less like, you know, throwing shit at the wall and see what seems interesting. However, it would also become more like CNN and Fox News. And there's a reason people are not trusting that as much. So I really don't know what the answer is. Yeah, it seems dangerous that a dude that used to host Fear Factor is the guy. It's the guy. guy that everyone's listening to and he barely gets fact-checked by Jamie live on the air. But at the same point, no one has ever been listened to like this in the history of the world. And maybe that is the real question.

This is why I did this podcast to find out or to get an idea of why so many people listen to this individual just chat about whatever and it's only increased so i haven't figured it out brandon if you can help me out but i don't think overly producing his show is going to give us the answer and i'm thinking about it every day man and to be honest i don't have a fucking clue whatsoever and i agree that's the other end of it because it's like what i love about podcast is it's like you're kind of just a fly on the wall of just two people shooting the shit where when it becomes this like fucking big interview where you have like five people behind the scenes all looking shit up and it's like this like political debate thing it's like no it's kind of it's everything

rogan has talked about i just like interesting people and i just like getting to know them and just shooting the shit with them it's so yeah jamy like i'll be honest jamy has a lot of weight on his shoulders. Oh, dude. Because he didn't know what he was getting himself in for. Yeah. Rogan basically, Rogan came to him and said,

Hey, I need a sound guy. And Red Band's getting tired. And I'll pay you this much. And you'll just edit the shows. And now I think Fairplay to Jamie, he does a great job of staying out of the limelight. No interviews, no nothing. if anything, play some golf, barely post it, Instagram.

He's kind of off grid. He occasionally says something, but mostly stays out of it. It's like, I mean, he's in the middle of one of the biggest media storms potential of all time. And I don't know if he's ready to surf that wave. Yeah. And the, like, criticism Rogan has gotten for like, you got a fact check. You got to do this. got to look into this this all goes back to jamie where like you're saying it's like he's just

sitting there being like i'm just i'm like what the fuck have i got myself into yeah because that's joe's guy too he's not just going to be like okay i got to get some crack researcher on here to fact check me and stuff then it then it like kind of leaves the area of being like a like a podcast and it starts like you're saying becoming like a new show which is everything he doesn't want to be no and also it's it's it's weird it's a weird situation he's in. And that's a, these are really interesting points. Yeah. I mean, Jamie was never the investigative journalist. It was just that he was sat there, not editing sound or checking levels. So Rogan started to ask him, hey, will you Google that, Jamie? And then it just became that

pull it up, Jamie thing. And that was his new role. Like, yeah. Yeah. Zero. zero direction with like how much weight that would carry and let's be fair he's doing his best he's pulling it up I blame the internet if the answer doesn't come up that's well like good then can we really put it on Jamie also do your own research do you know like look like look into the shit yourself try if you're living your whole life based off this one talking point of Joe Rogan and you know Alex Jones and they're both fucked up like fucking look into it a little bit it's like and it makes me think like thank God Lee Syatt isn't you know the producer on this and like wasn't roped into all this and became a Jamie so true so true dude I think him and

Joey Diaz is a good fit but Jamie you know it seems like he is also a good fit for Joe and it did did it did work out way better than Brian but well there's there's a reason that Jamie can take a thousand milligram edibles and not even stay like feel high you know about this right Jamie Jamie is immune immune to edibles he can take an almost infinite amount and function whereas Joey's guy not so much and I think I think whatever that is not that it's a mindset maybe it's a genetic thing but whatever that is allows jimmy me to just stay weirdly functional and

neutral through this like chaos that has become the the power of Rogan. Which is perfect. Dude. Which is perfect.

He's perfect for it. You got to have someone fucking sober. We're running that show, you know? I love it. I love it so much. Thanks for joining me today, Brandon. And yeah, check out Mike Baker. I mean, you'll get into all sorts. I mean, it sent us off on all sorts of tangents, but there's a lot of energy behind

this. A lot of people are very frustrated about this direction and the Epstein stuff and how we're not getting good answers and nothing's closing it down. And yeah, there's a part of me that says hold their feet to the fire. I know we've still got a country to run, but if we can't hold the politicians responsible that say we're going to clean the swamp we're going to release the files

we're going to do X, Y and Z then I struggle to know who to trust next yeah don't tell me that shit when you're sitting on like a lily pad yeah like just fucking do it do it

the drains right there just just pull the plug pull it you know pull it dude well until next time appreciate you and we will talk to you next time. Later. See ya.