Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 460 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Chadd Wright

Episode Date: August 8, 2025

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Starting point is 00:00:43 I'm feeling real religious. Well, I mean, you know, who's to say where a prayer goes? I mean, I think you've got to speak from the heart. And with it Joe Rogan, it's like, yeah, I think,
Starting point is 00:00:59 that would be a Joe Rogan prayer, and he seems to be getting more religious. What do you think? He is, yeah, and even admitted on, I forget if it was like a Protect Our Parks or just like a Shane Gillis episode that he's been going to church, he's been going to church recently. He said he just likes being surrounded by happy people. And this might be the like Don of of a pretty interesting arc for rogan because he was on the other end yeah oh forever very like you know what was that guy richard dock docking richard dawkins
Starting point is 00:01:42 richard dawkins the famous british atheist he was he was in that frame of thinking for a while especially in early j re now it's like crazy we had very like liberal atheist to rogan now we're getting a very conservative wholesome religious man and i find it to be a very interesting journey and as a listener it's just like so fucking funny to see this this transition yeah and this episode is like just such a a example of him getting into religion because like how much of this podcast was just talking about God and faith and sinning, like 80% of it, 75% of it. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, look, I think it's a testament to not pandering to your audience, but not disrespecting
Starting point is 00:02:42 them, even though a lot of them feel probably rejected or, you know, like he's done a 180 because people are so locked into their ideals. Fair enough. But also, you know, it's not like you're chasing the audience. He's following his path, which, to be fair, and give him some credit, it's got to be the most unusual path that a fucking human being has ever followed. So he's like, I can't make sense of this. I got thrown into this world.
Starting point is 00:03:16 Now I'm thinking maybe there's something there. like this is a guy that more people have listened to ever in the history of humankind for whatever reason and he's perfectly mockable in terms of the free kind of he's not coming out like a Jordan Peterson he's not trying to be a philosopher from the Greeks he's just talking and it just happens to be popular which he did not plan right he talks about it all the time however he still has the right to follow his journey and I don't think he panders to the audience he's not trying to upset people on purpose
Starting point is 00:04:00 he's just following what feels right as he gets older and you know am I getting more religious not necessarily but I don't I don't hate him for doing it I'm just like okay cool yeah keep doing that. I mean, he's much older than me. He has way more experience in life and infinite
Starting point is 00:04:26 opportunities with stuff. So I wasn't super surprised that he brought this guy on. And man, was this Chad Wright, a heavy religious episode. Like, I really can't think of another J.R.E. episode that was this heavily like pro religious and you look at the comments and it's people saying I cried 10 times during this episode. God is great. It's like it's crazy to see these comments in a Jerry episode. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's like, whoa, like what is this turned into? And I'm really excited to see where this goes from here because next week are we going to be talking about, you know, pastor dave on the show it's like i know what's what's the evolution right you know or is it one of those things where he you know rogan feels like he needs a a refresh or a break and he does another
Starting point is 00:05:28 protect our parks and they just talk about dicks for you know four hours and he's like all right i'm feeling and shit who knows yeah who knows but right we've got chad from the georgia mountains right hunting, fishing. Sounds like a bit of a rough childhood, I would say. Join the Navy post high school. Basically said that he was like never going to make it. He had a cyst on his heart. You know, not...
Starting point is 00:06:01 That's why they let him into the seals. They're like, we can't with the cyst. So he got it fucking removed. He got open heart surgery. Whoa. Just to become a Navy SEAL. Savage. insane you got a year to recover yeah insane like that's called motivation yeah that's determination
Starting point is 00:06:24 if that isn't i don't know what is it's it's a lot that's that's too much i would say i mean i never felt like i could get through a seal thing i had no assist and for him to be able to turn that around i I mean, look, that enough is a reason to come on the show, and then you add to that that, you know, he has this podcast, he's become religious, he throws that story down, but he speaks this honestly. I mean, honesty resonates with me always. I don't care what the story is. I don't care if you're Russian, you know, from Iraq, from wherever. You come on a podcast and you have a message and it's just your truth. It doesn't mean that I take on whatever you're thinking. But it resonates so much harder than if you're trying to sell me something, you know, if there's like an air of bullshit.
Starting point is 00:07:25 It's, there was just something true about this guy that I really liked. And to build upon what you're saying, I've listened to past episode. with Navy SEALs and people that, you know, were involved with the military and there's a lot of boasting and rightfully so, you know what I mean? But with him, there was so, like, it was so humble and he was so human and there was no level of ego at all with him. None of it, zero, you know, and he teaches these these training camps and he has a lot going for him and he does a lot um and to hear him just be so humbling about everything he's done in life where he has one of the most like badass fucking origin stories when it comes to like becoming a navy seal and how it's kind of like this like
Starting point is 00:08:26 kind of throw away thing long story but yeah i did this and that happened and that and where it was like just more of his spiritual journey that was the the focus point for him, I find to be really interesting. And I think that's why this guest stands out compared to every other guest that's been involved with the SEALs or any kind of military officer is this guy is coming from such a different and unique perspective. And for sure, religion has to do with it. Because when you get so heavily involved with religion, you kind of live and breathe it you know yeah but everything outside of that that was talked about there was so much humility and just it was just great it was really refreshing to hear
Starting point is 00:09:15 because it's like these are people too like he's just a dude at the end of the day and it's cool to like get that humanization of him of a navy seal like that you know yeah i would say it's the most kind of regular guy humanizing because look if you're a pro athlete or if you're like a top one percenter a big part of what gets you there is by trying to embody that message right you've got to be like I can do it even if you don't feel it right it's like those people that never quit which we were talking about before the podcast like just saying I've got this I'm going somewhere, I believe it. And then, this podcast is brought to you by Hymns.
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Starting point is 00:11:15 See website for details, restrictions and important safety information. You earn it like you did. Navy SEALs, let's be honest, top 1%, maybe less. Top 0.1%. Who knows? These guys are exceptional. He didn't seem to make a big deal about it at all. If anything, he was like, I was the last guy that should have made it. The last guy.
Starting point is 00:11:38 Well, you come at me with that energy. I'm going to listen to what you got to say. I want to be involved, you know? I want to hear this person out. Because you're right. So many of them, even at their best, right? Jocko, maybe it's unfair for Jocko because I think he's, I think he's a great guy. I think he represents this, that whole world.
Starting point is 00:12:02 But look at him. He's made of bricks. You look at the size of this human being and you're like, you can be as humble as you want, but you're three times the size of another human being. you were always meant to his jaw looks like he can eat rocks it's like he he was just meant to do this just eats jawbreakers for breakfast just smashes them down roll eggs and hey like rightfully so they should be able to boast you know it's like with everything they've done but at the same time like that ego can consume you a little bit and it can become your entire personality
Starting point is 00:12:47 of this on this but it's like who are you actually and and this podcast was just such a great example of like someone who's completely stripped ego and is just a dude you know like he's living such a nice life he's living in the mountains he's hunting squirrel i don't think i've ever wanted to try a raccoon more than after this episode he made it seem so appetized yeah throw it a crock pot it's like oh fuck maybe i want to try it you know and like squirrel and everything it's like it's it just seems so meditative where his life is um and it's so dude what was so funny i do want to bring this up literally the first five minutes he's like yeah man the city is just it's like it like burns my nose just being here you know and he's like yeah the
Starting point is 00:13:39 whole the people in austin it's like you know animals have better lives than them which is kind of like such a massive diss to austin he's like he's like rogan why don't you like leave yeah yeah he's like why are you here but it's such like honest observation and it's funny it's funny you're saying that because and you can speak to this you were right there you were right that i agree with him i agree with him though and a lot of the people feel the same way You know, we've talked about this off air, but, like, other comics have opened up about, like, yeah, Austin, you know, it's not for everybody. Right. You know, there's comics I know who a comic I knew got jumped by homeless guy in Austin.
Starting point is 00:14:25 Oh, no. It's really, like, as Bill Burr said, like, they're Shutter Island homeless people. Yeah. You know, they're a little dangerous. And as much as I love Austin, like, there's a lot of parts of it that definitely. need to be a brood for sure. But it was so funny where like, you know, right out of the gate was like swinging at that. And, and it just, it just seemed like it was honest. No one was hiding anything. Everything was kind of up front. I think if anything like the religion stuff, Rogan was just
Starting point is 00:14:58 polite and just let them talk and wasn't trying to correct him a whole lot on everything. Right. But it just seemed like two dudes on the, on the porch, you know, sharing a, um, a cigar just talking about life, philosophy, religion, just, like, really interesting, you know? Yeah, I mean, like, he was, he was, the podcast itself, and usually when we review it, we just kind of go in order of, like, the talking points. But I feel like he was jumping around because he went from Navy SEAL to full-on religion and then just kind of circle back to these moments that were just weird for him, right? So I wanted to hit on the barracks haunting, the ghosts, in the barracks, which, you know, I think in a way was the beginning.
Starting point is 00:15:48 It wasn't just like his bad behavior, you know, because he was like, yeah, I was just living with these lesbians and being wild and being a lunatic and going to work. And then my gun went off and I was under review. I feel like the barracks was like really where it started to feel weird for him. And what is your take on that? Because it kind of makes me, and I know some special forces guys, like they come on the pod sometimes, and I love chatting with them. You get such an interesting insight. But I'm just like, it seems strange that they would get like,
Starting point is 00:16:28 I don't want to say superstitious, that's not really it, but like feel haunted, right? Because they're brave guys. They don't want to be like, oh, there was something weird in the toilets. I wouldn't imagine any of them would talk about this. And it was such a interesting point of the episode because when people talk about how they got religious, and he was going down that path, I was like, all right, it's going to be AA. That's what it's going to be. He's totally going to say AA.
Starting point is 00:16:57 I was not expecting this whatsoever. And it's interesting. and to your point yeah it's like these guys are ready to go to war they're ready to fight they're ready to kill but when it comes to like a ghost it's so
Starting point is 00:17:14 far from our understanding of the world that it's just it's fucking terrifying you know you can't see it you can't kill it who knows what its capabilities are and I've been in the situation where like I've been in a house and I hear footsteps and you look and you're like
Starting point is 00:17:31 oh yeah no one i'm home alone right now and it's fucking terrifying it's fucking terrifying it's it's in its like own realm of like fear yeah um but the idea of like getting the pastor on the phone going on speaker phone getting the olive oil and then it's gone the next day i think maybe i would have just been like you know it maybe i should go to church right that's insane that's literal like even what he's saying he's like whatever your beliefs are there was a cause and effect here and that has to mean something you know when it comes to this stuff for me i do believe the human mind's very powerful as well as like will power like will power like i think regardless of religion like when you will something to be um that is a lot of power on its own
Starting point is 00:18:27 and who has more like power like that than like a pastor than someone in religion so even if all of this stuff you know even like at an atheist angle if you're like a little more spiritual that is a possibility in my opinion but like i i can't say i wouldn't maybe have have been like i think i'm going to check out this religion thing a little more if that happened to me it's hard to put myself in that position, you know, and then the olive oil covering the whole fucking door the next day is crazy. And it's not that I, like, I believe, I fully believe him that this happened, because he's not someone that would like, that seems like who would lie about this shit, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, maybe there's a thing. It's like,
Starting point is 00:19:16 um, the power of belief in yourself, well, the power of belief in just, if you believe in yourself enough and then you see something weird, why wouldn't you then not dispute it, right? Right. I mean, what drove a guy that should have never been a Navy SEAL to the point of being a Navy SEAL? Maybe it's the same thing that's like gave him a belief in, I saw something weird, so I believe this.
Starting point is 00:19:53 and then who knows you kind of like spread that to the rest of the team start asking questions everybody's like yeah i did hear a weird knocking sound yesterday and then it just becomes its own i don't want to i don't want to diminish it right and say there was no ghost there or whatever but but that belief like our human creative mind is is like it's a powerful source dude very yeah okay So let me tell you one thing that happened to me when I was young. I went back to England after being in the U.S., and I was like 14, 15. And I went back for the summer to see my dad, who lived in England.
Starting point is 00:20:38 And I fell out with him and my stepmom, because we were not getting on at that time. I mean, I'm 15, dude. Imagine. Like, you're a pain in the ass of 15. So I stayed at my mom's friend's house, Tessa. I was called her aunt Tessa. She had this little cottage in this village. So I stayed out there.
Starting point is 00:21:00 And she said, oh, my son, who was like 10 years older than me, who I knew, his name was Simon. Oh, he's probably coming back tonight to the cottage. So you can spend the weekend with him and that would be fun for you. Anyway, that night, it was a crazy storm. It was crazy, dude. It was like real heavy lightning. Like one of those like eerie lightning storms. And what was cool about this cottage also eerie is like all the doors were like doors you'd find in a barn.
Starting point is 00:21:34 They didn't like close all the way to the ground. You know, they had big gaps in. You could see the light underneath. It was just kind of like how the place was made. It was an old English house. And that night, I'm like going to bed. the first night. And I hear all this like walking around up the stairs, doors open, up the stairs, light moving under the door. And I'm like, oh, Simon must be here. I wasn't even worried about it.
Starting point is 00:22:02 It was in the middle of the storm. So I was just like, I felt a bit comforted because Simon was there. So I was like, all right, cool. And there was this one point where I couldn't sleep. I felt a bit kind of uncomfortable. And I went down stairs and the lights were all off. And the storm. was just going outside and I swear to this day I saw someone at the end of the table and my feeling was that it was Simon and I was like oh Simon you're here why are you in the dark and he didn't say anything and I was like okay well I'm going to bed because I was young so I went to bed I didn't really think anything of it I just like actually was more comforted and went to sleep in the morning
Starting point is 00:22:49 test calls I go down answer the phone I'm like hey and I'm like oh no I felt a lot better after the storm because Simon was here and she goes
Starting point is 00:23:00 Simon is not there he's still in Oxford he's the other side of the country dude I got a chill instantly you know when you your hair goes up but it's goosebumps dude but like in a way
Starting point is 00:23:16 to where I left the house and I left all my shit inside. I ran away like a little scared baby because I was terrified after that because my mind was so sure. Now, the same as him, though, it's like, yeah, there was a lot of feeling. When I really think back on it, it was a long time ago, I don't really know if I saw anything clear. Maybe I was just tired. Maybe I just woke up in the middle of a storm, you know, and I just didn't. pay attention to what was going on, but there was an energy behind it. And honestly, if I was
Starting point is 00:23:56 religious, I didn't have like a religious person to talk to. But if I was, yeah, I would have, I would have sprayed olive oil over the whole outside of that place, dude. I didn't go back. I did not go back. I told my dad, I was like, I'm not going back there. I'm sorry. I'm sorry we had a fight I don't want to go that like like it's and you start to like you're saying you start to try to like piece things together in your mind because it's like there's no explanation it's like I must be seeing things right because I'm sure I was a kid I swore I saw shadowy figures I saw shadows moving in the house that you know no one's there and it's like now I think I probably was seeing something right but I've had a couple of
Starting point is 00:24:44 times where I was house sitting and the dogs are just barking at this one corner for no reason or like in the middle of the night like the dog will jump up and start barking at like the ceiling or like just something ran and that would keep happening and it was like both it wasn't like just the one dog it was like the whole house all the animals would focus on this one point like they'd look down a hallway and shit there was a time I was in college where I was like you know I had old old dorm top floor red lights are on we're listening to this band called electric wizard they're like a very evil doom metal band we locked the door all right we heard the door knob like move jiggle and then the door fucking opened the we went out no one was on the floor not a single person was on that floor it was locked from the inside
Starting point is 00:25:44 So to have opened, someone would have had to open it from the inside. We put the lights on, we shut the music off, you know, we're playing like spirit in the sky and like religious stuff. We're like, fuck this, man, you know, praise Jesus and stuff. It's like there's shit that like that that you just can't explain. And you want to think like that you're going crazy or, oh, I must have just thought something. Or maybe there was a draft in the, but it's like, you, it's just. I think there's a lot of things in this world that we just can't, like, can't comprehend or understand.
Starting point is 00:26:20 Yeah. And that's where religion plays into that. And there's many religions that have their own takes on these things we're talking about. But it makes a lot of sense for him to explore this. And like he's saying, what do you say? Like, the day after he, like, fully accepted it, he had no appetite anymore for, like, any of these cravings of porn, of drinking. Like, all this stuff went away.
Starting point is 00:26:44 And it's like, like, yeah, man, if that, if I was in that situation and I was battling all those demons that distracted me from my dream and then I battle literally my own personal demons, I beat my personal demons and a literal physical demon with one stroke that's like religion like that, I think I'm going to fucking commit, you know? If it was solved that fast for me, I think I would have committed if I was in his shoes. So, like, I understand. And for me, this is kind of a first because I've always been, you know, with religion. They were talking about, like, the mega pastors and, like, the colonization, the millions and millions of lives killed by religion. It's hard to, like, glorify it for sure. And the pedophilia they were talking about, but, like, something like this, I totally understand and respect. I really do.
Starting point is 00:27:41 And this is the first time where, like, I've heard someone like, this talk about their religious journey and be like that I actually find that real interesting and I'm happy for you yeah and also instead of thinking like you're brainwashed right you're fucking this for that but also I think an important aspect that we add to this is I don't think you and I are any more religious because of it right so these messages are not actually dangerous I feel like they're just hopeful in terms of for this individual it's like everyone is finding their own path out of some for example there are people on instagram or youtube that you and i could watch that like fill us full of hope and make us want to
Starting point is 00:28:28 get somewhere right and i'm like yeah this pumps me up i know i send you some stuff sometimes and you're just like you know i'll throw it out there i'm like this is good check this out i'm not trying to convert you to what the thing is i'm just like this pumps me up I get excited about this. And in the same way people send me stuff, there's sometimes I'm like, I don't know about that. But also, that seems like a pretty positive message. And that is an example of what he's saying in the religious terms that I actually appreciate.
Starting point is 00:29:01 Because I'm like, I feel more hopeful after this message. But also, like he said, I'm not going to change you with my words. He said that. I'm not going to change you. I'm not going to turn you into something else. I'm not even requiring it. I'm just explaining my journey. And he seems like in a much better place than he was,
Starting point is 00:29:27 which is like, do we not want that for people? Right. And that's why all these, you know, alcoholics and people who go through AA, like go to religion because it's like the easiest way to get through. And it's like so famous. You just redefine your demons, your alcoholism as sin. And then you read all the scripture and then figure it and then follow it and figure it out. You know, it's the oldest, literally the oldest way you can do it.
Starting point is 00:29:57 And people do it and succeed, you know. And that's why religion is so heavily tied to things like that. Because, you know, again, just redefine your issues as sin and then read this shit. And when it says, you got to do this. and sin is that and this is how you should treat it and then you do it and then you put it in practice and commit and turn it into a ritual and you're going to church and doing all this and the commitment's there and you start to kind of like transform yourself and become very spiritual it's going to change who you are entirely and you're you're almost reborn out of that issue
Starting point is 00:30:36 it's really interesting there must be some like serious psychology on like why religion is so good for for issues like that but you know maybe some people might be thinking well it's god bro you know at the end of the day it's like well it's fucking it's like you know our heavenly father of course it's it's his magic you know but i don't know it's something i just can't understand and hopefully will one day but yeah i mean it's interesting to ponder And look, man, I mean, it's hard to argue against when the majority of the whole world and all of existence is like gone towards religion. I mean, yeah, I guess you could be the crowd that I grew up with in England and like a lot of European countries, especially like Germany or like the more non-religious ones that are just like, yeah, this is the old way of thinking. and it's dumb, and now we believe in logic and democracy.
Starting point is 00:31:42 And I'm like, all right, easy. How about democracy and most of our political parties are pieces of shit too? So don't make that your new religion, because that's a lot of what I saw growing up in England from my non-religious family, which I was a part of. I mean, you know, and a lot of people in England have just kind of like, they're not really into the Church of England. They just do that thing. Politics became their new religion. And I'm like, I don't think you escape a religion.
Starting point is 00:32:23 You're just choosing something. Now, you may change the definition of it, maybe a bit. but it's like there's there's no doubt that like politics becomes religion for people there's a lot of similarities for sure a lot of similarities and uh we can even talk about these mega pastors that they were talking about too oh yeah and it's like they're they're practically politicians you know they're following the devotion they're telling them how to how to you should act who should be and that's their whole job what's that guy's name joel o's Um, are you talking about Kenneth Copeland?
Starting point is 00:33:04 That's like the big guy. That's the guy who's like worth 760 million. And he has that whole thing where he's like, I got to fly private because God told me. Oh, he looks like a, he looks like a demon. He looks like literally like Satan. Yeah. Like he literally looks like he's just missing the horns and he's not red. But he has everything else.
Starting point is 00:33:28 everything else I would say Joel Olstein I'm looking at a picture of him right now I don't care for his eyes they look they look not good in terms of like
Starting point is 00:33:42 I don't want to be too mean but like demonic maybe but he looks friendlier he looks kind of like a banker he could be a banker a different kind of evil yeah yeah but let's look at his net worth
Starting point is 00:33:57 I bet it's off the show What do you think he's crazy? I'm going to say... Throw it out of there. Come on. 300 mil. 100. 100 mil.
Starting point is 00:34:10 Lower. Well, it's... Yeah. It's tough to get over the 100 mil mark. But, yeah. Speak engagements. He commands fees of 100 to 200,000. Yeah, how old is he?
Starting point is 00:34:25 Yeah, Jesus was all about capitalism, you know? Oh, dude. Jesus's speaking engagements were big money back in the day, like 14 donkeys and I don't know what he charged, but big money. Signed Bibles, you know. Yeah, that's it. 62. Talking about people that signed Bibles. You sell personal wine glasses, you know.
Starting point is 00:34:50 I bought a Doug Stanhope signed Bible once at a comedy show that he put on. so Doug used to only ever stay in motels and then he would always go to Goodwill and buy suits in the local town and he would wear them and perform which is so beautifully Doug but he would also steal all the bibles from the motels and he would sign them and you could buy them and I bought one of those I still need to get my own when I saw it was during COVID And he didn't have like a merch stand or anything I want to get my hands on one eventually I'm not sure if you saw recently he was raiding some Bibles and he opened up a drawer and there was a fucking revolver what left their revolver like in that little side cubby oh je you know where you find the Bibles someone left their fucking gun and he's like holy shit you know it's he should have signed it and sold at the at the show but could sign the bullets you know but oh
Starting point is 00:36:01 Doug's great Doug's the best fucking awesome shout out to Doug and also it sounds like you and I go into a Doug show um eventually and you're getting a Bible we're gonna do it we're doing it for the pod I've drank with Doug too he's a great fucking guy oh no shit really that's fucking awesome I never told you yeah we did
Starting point is 00:36:20 shots in Worcester love that love that I did I did shots with Joey Diaz once Ari was there That's fucking sweet Yeah you told me Ari was real tired And he was not feeling it He was like fuck New Mexico
Starting point is 00:36:36 This place sucks I want to go I didn't push him I was like all right All good Thanks nice to me He shook my hand He was nice to me
Starting point is 00:36:44 But when we got to Joey I said Joey Is it weird if I buy you a shot And he goes No one's fucking Giving me offer me a shot tonight And I'm like What? Get over here.
Starting point is 00:36:58 And yeah, that was a good moment, dude. That was beautiful. Awesome. Yeah. Priceless memories. Anyway, I think that's it for this guy. But Chad was interesting, man. I mean, obviously Rogan's kind of leaning in that direction. Like you said, we'll see if the pod starts to get this spiritual aspect.
Starting point is 00:37:16 But I think Rogan's asking some questions. He's trying to figure it out. And to be fair, he's trying to figure it out through the lens of people that he seems to be connecting with, which often are special forces guys, you know, he's like, hey, you're a tough guy, you've seen it all, what made you go from not being religious at all to something else, what was your journey? Obviously, this guy's journey wasn't like psychedelic or anything that Rogan took, but I think he's just asking questions to try and make sense where he's at. I like that. Yeah, and I think Joe might be going through something and, you know,
Starting point is 00:37:56 with there's a lot of drama, you know, with politics and everything and all these religion guys, all these religious guys are like, hey, man, I'm happy. You know, I'm happy and it's easy. I don't know. This is all I do. And he's like, you know what? I have not tried this. And I think it's time. So, you know, maybe next month he'll have the Pope on. And we'll talk about that. I love that so much. Thank you, Brandon, as always. And pleasure. Everyone else, we'll talk to you guys next week. Love you.

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