Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 462 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Michael Button

Episode Date: August 27, 2025

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Welcome back to the Joe Rogan Experience Review. I am Brandon Baddick, and I am joined, as always, by Adam Thorn. And we are discussing episode 2368 with Investigator of Ancient History, Michael Button, and I thought this is an awesome episode. It's really great to talk about ancient history and to learn some of the elements of our past, and maybe we don't know everything about ancient humans. And Adam, it's always great to be talking to you about this stuff. How did you feel about this episode?

Well, you know, we certainly don't know everything about our past. That is for sure and should not be disputed. Now, does it mean that these new ideas that these individuals bring up are correct? No, and I don't think they think so either, but they're willing to ask the question. I do like that he missed the button was in academia, studying ancient civilizations and, you know, liked a lot, believed a lot of what he was hearing, but there were just some issues with the timeline. he brings up an important point which which really is hard to dispute they found some bones there were like 320,000 years old or something homo sapiens it added a third to the timeline and we've also done that recently within the last 20 years added another like it went from

like 100,000 years to 200,000 which is 100% jump so saying that it's like well hold the phone here I think it's clear that we can't really know for sure how far we go back. And now when you're dealing with a timeline that large, there could be pockets of 10,000 years where some incredible technologies bloomed and then got destroyed. Right. A hundred percent. And it's insane that some of the things they found that, like, connects to ancient human humans. humans were around like 460,000 years ago, predating a lot of what we know. And I thought a great quote from this episode was that science advances one funeral at a time.

Because that's what happens. People make these claims and they say, this is how it is. And then, you know, they get debunked, but they hold on to. their theories and their evidence because that's their whole legacy you know so all these mysteries i think will like in the future we'll learn more about them and there will be explanations but for now i think we just got a we just got to wait for people to die yeah and then and then figure more of this out you know yeah it's true it's crazy it's crazy to think that And it's something I haven't really thought about that science is, like, so based in people's egos and, like, how they view their legacy and everything about them, you know, like their books, this is my work.

This is what defines me. I can't, I can't have this become obsolete, you know. Yeah, it kind of makes you think that, you know, as we move into the future, an AI is looking into ways to make us young forever, live forever. or now everyone's going to live, I don't know, 130, 150 years. Does it mean that old ideas get stuck for longer because people get stubborn like that? And then they get into that place of power and they just hold still on what they know. It's almost like, yeah, you want new politicians. You want younger politicians.

You want these generations to move through and have new ideas and try something different. I mean, you know, I'm so different than my parents' generation. There were so many elements where they're like, oh, that's just, that music's just rack it. That's annoying. Turn that off as I'm listening to like early 2000s trance or drum and bass or something that my parents hated. And then we get a new set of video games and they're like, you're all wasting your lives. And I'm like, yeah, but you wait till GTA6. It's going to be dope.

It's like things change. new generations have new ideas they think in different ways and other than just keeping the status quo moving the older powerful people they're not bringing a lot of innovation to the table it seems like not at all not at all and if there's anything good that will come out of AI it's the fact that it won't be like every new model it's like this contradicts this so i i have to die in my you know it's It's all going to bring this information, you know, forward and evolve it, and it's not going to hide anything. It's not going to contradict it. Like, it's all going to mess with and use new evidence and what's on the table, which I think is really exciting for the future when it comes to stuff like this, you know.

It's not going to be stubborn. Right, exactly. But some of the things that were discussed. go bleckley tepe i believe is the uh the ancient civilization that they found uh turkey go beckley tepe which is insane yeah i believe it's uh what was it it's like 13 or 14 000 years old yeah it's uh it's it's uh 12 000 years old okay it's like a a few thousand years before the fucking stone age which is in saying or it's uh stonehenge Stonehenge. I think it's like maybe five or 10,000.

Yeah. Like it's insane. It's way older than Stonehenge. It's insane because... Stonehenge might be closer to us than go Beckley-Tepi is the Stonehenge. Think about that. That's so insane. Well, you know that they say that Cleopatra is closer to the invention of the iPhone than the building of the pyramids.

And that's only the building date that we give it. It's entirely possible. those pyramids are way older. That kind of blows your mind when you start thinking of timelines like that. And the big thing that really hit me and what, you know, Button was saying, is like there really wouldn't be anything left. So if a hundred thousand years ago, there was just this period of time where it was nice and sunny, no asteroids were hitting the planet, there was no ice ages, things could

grow and flourish. And for 10 to 15,000 years, we were just on a roll. And then boom, something hit us all, knocked our civilization down to almost nothing. And then, you know, 80,000 years goes by. What could even survive? What could we have even made? You know, we like to think there would be stuff left but unless that that civilization spent a ton of time trying to preserve it i mean literally the only thing they could do is go put a you know a welcome box up on the moon everything else would just degrade right and he was talking about how glass could potentially survive all these years but by the time you know another civilization finds it it's not going to fucking look like anything you know so it's crazy to look at all this stuff and yeah like glass um

also the whole thing with the wheel that's a whole other thing uh i think that to your point about the moon i think if anything if humanity ever does like a time capsule it has to be on the moon you know and it's like what do you even put there i guess you can put like just things of like pop culture but say like we die out and then another civilization finds us you look at the you know SD cards you look at all the like computers like what the fuck how do you how can you even figure out what the hell that even is it would have to be something similar to what um car sagan uh team put together for the voyager spacecraft it's a solid gold vinyl that is full of animal sounds human speaking um i think it has some kind of uh primary number stuff on it you know

things got a wiser album there you know if they were smart they'd do that but yeah backwards just just some classics um and it kind of makes sense right it's like even a slightly advanced civilization could probably figure out that that thing spins and then you just have a tiny piece of metal that reverberates. I mean, it was a good idea. It was a smart move. Obviously, you put any tapes up there, they degrade. I think there's engravings on it, too, that have some meaning.

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since the way those elements are put together, it's like they could probably communicate in a similar way, or at least show that, look, we were smart, are you smart too? Also, this is how we died, so watch out for that. Well, I also want to bring up the point of the possibility of ancient humans ended up becoming aliens. Like millions of years ago, it's an ancient civilization that evolved to the point where they created space travel and just left the planet and then everything they left behind crumbled down became nothing and that's what UFOs are the grays people believe that we're going to

evolve into something that looks like that you know big heads big eyes very skinny small so that's another possibility and that's something that people definitely believe in also the whole idea of like genetic engineering of us it's it's crazy there's a lot of lot of like possibilities of like like this even goes into the pyramids as well well do think about it in terms of timeline 300,000 years gives you a lot to play with it means that potentially a large civilization that is technologically advanced not like ours today but in its own way could exist survive for a time and then be destroyed and that can happen within that short gap. Now, let's look at the whole timeline of the planet. We're talking 160 million years ago.

There was like the T-Rex. And then whenever that asteroid came, I don't know, 150 million years ago, wiped out most of the life. Now we have 150 million years to work with. Just take one million years out of that whole group and some lizard organism just evolves into something that is not like us but can think and make technology and then either blows itself up or decides to leave the planet and then millions of years pass like there would be nothing left now obviously that seems like an absurd story it would make a great sci-fi movie if it was done well But with that timeline, it's like, yeah, it could. Look at what we've done in 10,000 years, or really even three.

It's a huge amount. So you give something a million years to do something. What are they at the end of that? They're half-cyborg supercomputer, AI, quantum computing interdimensional time travelers. Right. exactly and you look at our past and there were points where there wasn't a ton of humans you know i believe there was like a volcano that almost made us extinct like there was like 2,000 of us left um and it's like yeah randall colson has he has some sort of story like that

i don't know if it was like ice age stuff or something like something yeah something in that ballpark yeah right but it makes you think like you know you know you know know what if that's happened to another intelligent species yeah also we find dinosaur remains all the time we discover new species new ancient extinct species all the time you know yeah yeah but also look at it this way let's say that the really smart civilization got wiped out there was a famine there was a disease there was something that came i mean we already saw this happen in south america with the aztecs once the spanish got over there just wiped everybody out. 90% of them dead by smallpox. So not impossible that could happen at a different time to

another civilization, especially if they're all tightly packed in together and sharing resources. And then they're gone. So there's these incredible structures left and all these nomadic tribes everywhere else in the planet that maybe some of them migrate into this area where it's like, oh, what are these pyramids? What are these crazy buildings? Well, they don't know how any of that works how long before they just mess with them for a bit you know it's like we we don't need many generations of gaps in our written intelligence for us to basically be cave people again yeah yeah it's it's really like it's that quote where it's like you know if there's a world war three world war four is going to be fought with like sticks and stones yeah you know where it's like we can we can go

right back to the stone age, you know, it is possible. Now, you look at, uh, go black lake Tempe. Um, and it's so interesting because scientists believe that we were like just hunter gathers. Like there was no way we can do anything fucking close to something like that. Yeah. But like, it changes everything. It really does because why was that created? You know, is it the first civilization ever um why why did why was there this many people living together because we were like just kind of like little tribes in caves we were doing wall art and everything a lot of people believe that it was like a religious thing yeah because they were like there's evidence of like sacrifices and then what they did is they opened it up to the public so they

they dug more around the site to build this like canopy over it and do doing more digging they found like almost these homes that were built so it's like shit people were like living around here yeah and it's crazy to think that and and potentially religion is what sparked our desire to become a civilization to all like you know center around like one thing well there's there's some interesting things going on with the site too now it's like somebody owns it or there's like a some kind of control going on where they're not excavating much of it anymore and they've just kind of put a hold on it and I don't know all the politics around that but something there is a little suspicious um but exactly like going back to that

it's like all right we say that's the oldest thing we found period right that's the oldest thing we found however it's not like it was a piece of crap it's really really well made. It's like beautifully constructed. So they've obviously practiced, right? They didn't come up with this in one generation. That kind of stonework needs to be taught over a long time. And there had to have been stuff before. It's like the pyramids are amazing and they're super old. They weren't the first freaking giant thing that we built. No chance. We built some really crummy pyramids before. We had to be. had to learn a lot about what makes them work before we get the ones that we have now that it just lasted for thousands of years. Yeah, like scientists believed that we were just like killing, fucking, and eating. And that was it at this time. These pillars are like 20 tons each.

Yeah, it's nuts. That's nothing a couple of monkeys could do. No. Like, this is real shit. Yeah, these aren't hunt again. It rewrites a lot of history. Yeah. These are people that had specialized skills.

You know, they had a diversity of responsibilities. Some people were obviously getting the food. Some people were probably growing the food. Some people were creating, you know, the ability for these stone workers to probably work full-time on this thing, more than likely. I mean, you could say they were chipping away at it in the evening, but that would be multiple lifetimes. It's just like, it doesn't really work. Exactly.

Exactly. And to think like, you know, the species was that intelligent where they're like, all right, let's just like continue this over generations. Like, let's just like that we were, apparently we were supposed to be fucking crazy. Like it was, it was so, we were so feral and dangerous. There was no way we would like have traditions like, like, like, when it comes, ups to like you know like building structures of like let's just carry this every generation could work on it a little more like we we never we were like from what i've been taught in school

at least it's just like animals you know we're just hunting shit we were just like killing each other like there was like it was just very feral and ape like yeah we had but apparently not we had clubs we had we had like the little kind of bed pants thing, kilt, and then we went Uga-Buga and we lived in caves and we had those sexy leopard togas, you know? Yeah, they look hot. It's like very

flint-stansy and I'm just like yeah, I'm not buying it. I mean I might buy that a hundred thousand years ago maybe a bit longer. I don't know. I'd be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised if we had even quite developed

language a very long time ago, which really opens you up to, to, I mean, because there's a lot of things that you, we're trying to tell each other. I don't think it would take that long to make enough noises to where you're really able to develop something complicated. Maybe not. Maybe if it's like everyone's born with just grunting noises, you know, these like areas of our brain that develop with language just don't kind of expand. They're not like fed to. You know, they have found that with those like feral children that kind of grew up in the woods or whatever or raised by wolves like these random stories throughout history if they don't learn language like the way we

speak it or most places do by a certain age those areas of the brain don't develop you can then yeah you can teach them individual words later in life but they can't really put sentences together it's it's like there's there's a period of time where you have to learn certain things to develop it fully in the future interesting now you know talking about uh gobekli tepe which i feel like i've pronounced three different times yeah you're getting better you're getting better though yeah over time you know figure it out astronomer um no we're not doing okay sorry sorry sorry, the pyramids. That's a whole other thing of like

the fucking massive structures. It's stuff we've been studying forever. We don't, we still have no fucking clue. Apparently they're tombs. But there's evidence that like, you know, these big ass fucking things for like a tomb. Well, you know. If they didn't find a body in it though,

how we're sure it's a, there is like a coffin structure thing in there. But it's empty. or what do they say that it was just raided that's why there's nothing left yeah and there's like i think i mean that's possible about how like maybe there's even other ancient civilizations who like also came across it was like let's just fuck with it you know and like that's why there might be some of these like carvings in it it's where it's like yeah it's like you know five thousand years later some like tribe came across and it's like let's just fuck with it you know and this is for all

the ancient structures but with the pyramids like you can't miss those you know it makes sense that they were like raided or something happened yeah but there's there's evidence that like you know well maybe not evidence i should say theories that like it was like an anti-gravity thing it was a power plant it's like it's like a base of lost tech that exists the pyramids were used for farming that's another one i've seen yeah so there's there's many things it also could have just been a totally like a propaganda thing of a king going look at this shit i made i'm i had all these people make this shit look how good i am yeah you'll never see anything like this again this is my power you know so it could be that because that's a classic ancient ruler or and current modern

ruler thing of like let's just build big shit it really is like show off to people so that's another possibility. But usually it's just like a statue. Right. You know? I mean, this is monumental and very old. You know, you would have just thought that somebody more modern would have also done something similar if it was, was it like, oh, we can't do it now or no one was ever that powerful again? I don't believe that could be true. It's like, how would people get less powerful? You would imagine they would just be bigger structures, but we haven't built any, even close. Yeah, and they can't last, you know. But I think, like, even, even no building was bigger than taller than the pyramids until

they made, I think, like the Eiffel Tower, dude. Like, how did that take us like 4,000 years? Exactly, exactly. And that's like a frame, you know, that's not like this big complex, it's not like, you, I guess you could like, you know, it's more of a scaffolding, yeah, yeah, fancy scaffolding. Exactly, exactly. It would fall down in 50 years if nobody maintained that. All right. Where the pyramid, it's like, you know, even what, what Michael was talking about on the episode where it's like New York's gone in 100,000 years.

Nothing left. Nothing, no, fucking nothing left. Nothing. Not even one brick on top of another brick. Yeah. And even today, like, neighborhoods and everything, you got trees growing through the fucking sidewalk. Like, even shit that's maintained today, it's like a constant battle between nature. Yeah.

Goes to show if we're gone, it's like where there's, the traces are going away almost entirely. Well, Joe brings us up just in Detroit. I mean, once all the car factories and the automotive stuff shut down, people moved out of that, the houses we just kind of left, you know, there's like trees growing through. That's like 40 years, 50 years, 60 years, nothing. Now, now what do you think about this? The, like, wheel that was found in Russia, allegedly.

from 300 million years ago. Wait, what? Oh, because it's like in that rock? Yeah, in the rock there was, it looks exactly

like a wagon wheel. Let me pull it up. It looks exactly like a wagon wheel. They talk about it and it was in a coal mine 900 meters

underground. It's from 300 million years ago and it like I'm looking at this thing right now and people are like yeah it could be like a natural you know and things like we'll have a natural formation and it looks like you know a cell phone or it looks like this or whatever that looks like like that's a perfect circle it looks like a chariot wheel yeah yeah like so here's what's fucked up it's from 300 million years ago.

Lizard dinosaur wheel? What did they have cause? You think lizard people? Like the king lizard guy? They were only lizards back then. I don't even think they had mammals 300 million years ago.

They had a couple crustaceans, I guess. Yeah, some fish. But the king, yeah, king lobster thing. But it's crazy to think, like, and maybe if there's like another civilization. First mammals appear. 225 million years ago. So yeah, there were no

mammoths then. And that's too, like, this is 300 million. It's like some sort of, 300 million. Yeah, what do you make of this? I mean, is it just something that we're like, oh, we just got to throw that out because it's going to completely

fuck up our timeline. It's something where it's like, let's just put a fucking like, let's just put a bookmark on it. just put a tack in it. It is very round. And just circle back in a few years. Because like...

Did they ever dig it up? Is it just a fossil of something then? I don't think they ever dug it up. Because it's also like it's not 100 meters underground. And it's like on the fucking ceiling of the mine. So... Yeah. I feel like there's not enough...

You're already down that. Money that would have to go into like getting that. Because you have to... You want to preserve the whole thing. Sure. Yeah, you don't want to fuck it up before we got some better technology for sure. And that's going to be a while, but like imagine the, like, if they're like, holy fuck, this is like petrified wood. Imagine they just dig the other side's just connected to a car and we're like, oh, no. Or what if it's, what if it's metal? What if it, what if we're maybe not even a metal, but like something not from this world.

Oh, yeah, like a super cool alloy. like a drone or something you know how we were talking about how you know we're possibly going to send a drone to a planet that seems to have water uh-huh and it's just going to crash there but we're just going to send it there so it can take a picture what if it's the reverse thing yeah where it's an alien race that sense a fucking thing here took a picture and just crashed and here it is and it looks like a wagon wood but it's like it just doesn't look natural it's like the perfect circle it's crazy yeah it's crazy to think that like what if we go extinct and like you know 400 million years there's like uh turtle people or whatever and they're you know 900

meters underground and they find like a uh uh like a la boo boo or whatever you know it's crazy to think like that if there was an ancient civilization like this is all that's left. Like, imagine it. So, so let's pretend like this is a real, this was an actual wagon wheel. Yeah. From like this lot, this million, many million years ago. It's like, isn't it insane that this is all that exists? Dude, I think that even that is a miracle. That's so long ago, nothing should exist. But it also kind of brings up a question that supports modern archaeology, which is like, well, if that can exist for that long, why haven't we found any other shit from half a million years ago from humans? It's like, ah, good point. Now what it?

So we're either dismissed this and that, or we say there could be something here since this survived. Where's the rest of the technology? You know, it's just like anything alien-related dude. It's like we got these little pieces and nothing is all that definitive. But it's enough to make you go crazy. It's enough to make you like question fucking everything.

Even so, this was another point brought up. A wooden structure found 460,000 100,000 years ago, which predates Homo sapiens. And the only reason why it was preserved

was because it was in a bog. They found it in a bog. And it's like a tool. But it's like it's not just a couple fucking sticks. It was like carved out to like Lincoln logs where it would like perfectly connect. Oh no way. And it's fucking

insane. Was it like a hammer? I guess something like that. I don't think it was like from what I saw I couldn't really tell. It could have been a hammer. Some kind of shovel. but digging tools something to farm with but again like they talk about just completely throws a wrench in everything we know it's like do we need to burn the fucking history books on ancient civilizations because looking at this shit it's like I don't know well here's the

thing like when I first started studying biology in college was like 2004 they've literally found, I think, two new entire kingdoms of evolutionary life since then, that they've added. So it's less about burning the book, but being open to change it. You know, it's okay that we don't know all the answers. We shouldn't. It's also okay that the academic professionals are the top of their field, hold onto ideas. You know, there's something about that because you don't want to be completely changing ideas instantly just because you found a 300 million year old looking wheel that might turn out to just be some weird crystal formation.

You know, it's like we got to take our time with it. We got to investigate it, you know, but be open to adjusting. I mean, a half a million year old tool, that's a big deal. That suggests a lot of things because it's not a one-off. For sure, for sure. And you're right. You're 100% right.

but it's also like it's like holy fuck did neanderthrals have like complex societies maybe like what did they like why not we think they're just like monkeys they're just animals mm-hmm and they just like hunting packs and they they've had spears they probably cool as hell dude they're probably cool as hell hanging out with that who knows maybe they were fucking it's like the old their own frat boys yeah you never know at this at this point you know all the homo sapian women were just like wanting to bang them all the time and the homo sapient men were like we need to get rid of these neanderthals they're too cool the strong yeah yeah the freaky fucking neanderthals yeah they can just do back flips like whenever they want to you're like god those guys are awesome

they got skateboards they're fucking streaming on twitch you know it's like but it's also like what if we just what if like they didn't go extinct what if we just interbred that that's what it looks like we did because we just completely interbred because like look at look at like even look at rogan you know 40% he's got he's got some traits of both sides he's probably high on the neonatal and that's no disrespect to him but you've seen him with those kettlebells you've seen him hammering those kettlebells yeah that's that's pure fucking yeah a strong shorter stocky fella which is you know strong forehead that's how you would describe him yeah that's that's the bill that invents fire you know i think that's how they modeled

the clingons honestly that's how they came up with the clings they were like you know what we're gonna do we're gonna that's why they're so strong yeah yeah man but it's just it's it's cool stuff and i just really love a lot of the like contradictions in ancient history that like this guy brings up and like lastly that's talked about on here is like the fucking mummy scans the the scan of a fucking mummy that has three fingers, three toes, a head that's really deformed. And in history, people have found ways, especially in Egypt to like morph their skulls and extend them and everything. Squish them.

But this is like a natural, like the three fingers, it's not like you look at it and you go, oh, they cut some fingers off. Like this is a hand structure that is not human whatsoever. they have like an extra ligament i believe in their fingers like an extra um uh like an extra bend huh did they take it's it's did they get dna from this thing see what it is no this this guy has it and it's it's one of those things where it's like this guy has it he's done all they've done is do scans of it and it's like yeah and and the scans are impressive because it's like you see the ligaments and everything and it's like that's something we're like if someone was going to fake this they would have to invest a lot of money like they're they're going

to put a lot of money into this hoax but you know who knows it could turn out to be cake or some bullshit you know well you know listen it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility if an alien race did come down during the time of like the Egyptians or an another ancient civilization and was like, here's a bit of technology. Also, we're going to leave this guy. He's going to be your king for a while. He's going to kind of clean stuff up because you guys aren't really great at running stuff. And then you'll bury him and put him in a big muslinium or something.

And then we just move on from there. And it's like they're ancient people. Why would they not? And how would they even pass that story down to us? It'd be almost impossible. It would turn into a weird religious story before you know it. And then it just kind of like disappears into the mess. Yeah.

And I feel like if that was to happen, if an alien comes down to ancient Egypt and is like, yeah, I'm going to like hang out for a little bit. That's cool. There would be an entire religion based off that shit. Immediately. Immediately. We should probably, a god is here. Literally our god is here. He's a sun god

We call him Mirage We're giving him a weird Like head shape He's way taller than everyone else And we draw him on this building a bunch of times And in the future They look at him and be like Ah, that probably doesn't mean anything

Yeah Yeah I wonder if he would like abuse his power and shit You know Just be like get me all this shit Like if I was if I just showed up On another planet And everyone's like

You're God I'd be like You know Get me a fucking You know Roll this shit roll these joints smash burger

yeah get me a smash burger set up this PS2 we're gonna build it in and out right exactly and it's like I feel like maybe an alien would have like showed up and he's like

oh sure fuck it I'll be your god whatever I don't care but that's the thing like I feel like if this happened there would be a lot more to it there would be a lot more

fucking like you know statue um engravings i i feel like they would center their whole society around a being like this it wouldn't just be like oh this little fucking guy we found in a tomb somewhere you know in like a gutter i i guess was an alien that lived amongst the people right so you don't believe in it you're not buying it that's what i'm hearing i don't think i'm buying it because it's reasonable like if they found this thing it would be like something that i would imagine would be like either

at the top of the pyramid or the bottom like it would center around the pyramid this this being this is not just a fucking thing that you bury in the backyard like a dog you know like this is an alien and like we're talking about this would be a god in ancient times they're not just gonna fucking you know and just put it in tomb uh b12 like they're not they're gonna fucking they're gonna fucking they're gonna to they're going to center their whole shit around it yeah no doubt it's just so hard to know i mean if it was happening all the time back then then maybe it just becomes normalized and it's like yep just bury another one of those alien kings yeah yeah it's like we're we're getting too many of these at this point we got to we got to figure out how to mass store these um now i just want to i bring up that was it was brought up in this podcast for a second but the quantum computer that went one second back in time, what do you even make out of that? I don't even know what it began. How do they know it did?

That's what I'm saying. Like, how do you, like, the computer was like, yo, I just went back in time. Like, how do you, how do you rate, how do you scale that? I mean, one second's not a lot, but I feel like if a computer did, it should immediately start trading stocks because one second might be enough to make a big difference i don't know what else you can do in one second but all right i have a new pitch i got a new pitch you know how your buddy has the thing where it's like a website that tracks nancy pelosi's stocks we make one that that tracks the quantum computer stocks nice and i think that's what we do because if this thing's going back in time it's probably going to be able to go forward

and it's going to know all the socks and whatever it invest in I think we got to follow that shit so I think for the future when that computer becomes an AI and it's doing all this fucking time traveling that's where I put my stocks into

that's got to be it yeah time traveling quantum computer AI mummies mummy aliens ancient civilizations wagon wheels I do I do hope though with all this

fun comfort conversations that there is some definitive conclusion of at least a few parts of this within my lifetime. I mean, finding aliens would be dope. I feel like we're close. I feel like a computer AI that's smarter than us is likely to happen in our lifetime. That'd be wild. I mean, we basically made another life form that's smarter than us.

It technically still exists. Like, whatever your definition of smarter is. Because, like, that's, even chat GPT is, like, super smart. Yeah, very smart. Yeah, it's super smart. It could out think me any day. It could beat me at, you know, an SAT. Well, yeah.

Yeah, I don't really even know how they are deciding if something is smart. It's like, how is this not smarter than us already? Maybe it doesn't have, like, elements of, like, imagination or critical thinking or whatever, but. But then what is your dad? definition of intelligence if it's just like yeah if it literally knows every fact in the world it's pretty fucking smart yeah but also is intelligence how you like perceive reality

and the world around you it's I don't know I think it's fucked if if it's in 10 years we got time traveling AI and aliens run around I don't know I'm just like make stuff better for everyone you know can we get back to the point where we can buy a house and you know everyone doesn't feel broke all the time like you know we get some health care going let's do some of that stuff

i think it's going to be a clear path to if we're doing it well or if we're just i don't know continuing to fuck it up but what if we get to the point where AI is so intelligent where we can just rely on that for government which is crazy and so dangerous and this is getting getting in like sky net territory here but like because like an AI like let's look at AI in 10 years it's like the shit we have now is going to be Neanderthals compared to the AI in 10 years oh sure they're going to be able to like be like okay this is the country this is society we've we've studied history we know everything that works so it doesn't we understand the economy we know everything that's happening

right now let's here's here's my idea and this is how you fix it now what would be interesting if there's a guy who pretty much studies AI's like tactics with with government in the world and how to make things affordable and how to like get the economy moving and just like study it and implement it himself um if there's someone who's like the messenger of AI like the guy who like sits down as like the president or whatever and goes okay this is what are our our AI gods are telling us we should do, so let's do it. All they need is like, you know, maybe like 5,000 sacrifices. We're like, done, throw them on the pyramid.

And they're like, oh, fuck, are we just doing it again? We're doing that again. I guess we're doing it, guys. All right. Everyone pick a straw. That's what the pyramid was. It was a big AI computer, but. No doubt.

Well, that's what that would answer why you would need a shitload of power and what it could do because they need a lot of power. I mean, yeah, I would like to think that if it was, it was smart enough to not destroy itself. So I'd like to find out what went on there. Yeah, I really hope, honestly, I'm a little pessimistic on finding out what the pyramids are even for at this point. Like, in my lifetime, I'm hoping these 3D scans, I think, are a good step in the right direction. Yeah, we got to do more of those. We just got to get people in there and just do a full, like, you know, Indiana Jones thing and just get people in there, figure it out, get some crystal skulls, find some cool artifacts, get the, the bazozo thing from Exodus, no, what is it? The Exorcist, that fucking thing, but who knows what's in, like, the depths of the pyramid?

Yeah, we got to get down there. Somebody needs to walk down that, like, spiral thing. yeah and who knows maybe there's just like a letter at the bottom it's like oh uh yeah so we were here forever you found the prize well done uh we're super old here's the story take you back up there good luck and then and there's some cool instructions on how to build some stuff that would be dope we get down there and i feel like well it'll just be like uh um it'll be like flint dibble or something yeah yeah it's ashton kutja and it's just an episode of punked yeah and you're like that this is elaborate this is elaborate but i think the show is back i like it that that's who i was

thinking of who uh that that's the guy i was thinking about this whole podcast went divil oh i believe that's his name oh yeah yeah yeah who's like fucking who just talk shit about rogan that he's like my fucking my theories are accurate and he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about I'm living rent free in his head. I'm like, he must be fucking, you know, shaking, watching this. Yeah. Like listening to this. He didn't represent himself great when he came on.

No. Yeah, I don't know what that's done for him moving forward, but it's probably, I don't know, probably a bunch of archaeologists got his back, got behind him on it. And there's just this whole, like, cycle of haters. and um whatever i mean they're going to exist if you put yourself in that category i promise it won't work out that great for you maybe that's what's so interesting about this field because there's so much debate yeah and the things they're debating are like so vastly different and really rewrite history and it makes you think fuck what is the answer like and and it's crazy

to think like the answer could be none of the theories no one could be right oh yeah I don't know. Maybe if there's another, like, investigator of ancient history, we can have Flint Dibble in the podcast. Let's get him on. Let's get him on. I think he'd be a great... And get his perspective as well. Well, look, I like Michael Barton. I want to check out more of his stuff. I love this rapid growth. Like, obviously, he's picking up a lot of steam online and with his YouTube channel and probably for good reason. I think it opens up a lot of interesting questions. And the more of these people get together, make a lot of money, making YouTube and work together.

Maybe, you know, that opens up some really cool investigations where we can kind of start to get to the bottom and some of these less investigated theories. I think there's something to it. And, yeah, I'm looking forward to him being on again. Me too. And I'm excited for the future in discovering ancient history and what it, like, tells us about our past.

Yeah, send someone down and figure that wheel out. Get down there. Did they block that thing up? Can we get back in there? It's in Russia. It's 900 meters underground. I say we take some edibles and figure it out ourselves. It might be the only way.

Yeah. That's a real science. All right, buddy. Well, thank you so much. And everyone listening. We appreciate you as always. And we will talk to you next time. Cheers.

See ya.