Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 463 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Dave Smith

Episode Date: September 4, 2025

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You're listening to the Joe Rogan Experience Review. What a bizarre thing we've created. Now with your host, Adam Thorne. This might either be the worst podcast, one of the best one a long time. One, go. Enjoy the show. Hey, guys, and welcome to another episode of the J.R.E. Review. I'm Adam, joined this week and for most weeks, actually, really.

Good old Brandon. How you doing, bud? Doing all right, man. It's a nice fall afternoon here in Boston. Oh, fantastic. Beautiful day here in Bozeman, actually. We got Dave Smith up today, episode 2370 from the world of Rogan. You know, he libertarian Dave Smith, right? Politics, history, current events. Some of the key topics, U.S. foreign policy, Ukraine, Gaza conflicts, media bias, economic impacts of war and inflation, government over.

overreach, intelligence agencies. I mean, all coming from a comedian. Wild. This is where we're getting on news these days. And you know what? I can't hate on it. I trust it. I like that guy.

It's kind of rare that comics don't talk about politics. Right. They've been doing it for a long time, for sure. Full sure. Quick shout out to our patrons. Thank you guys so. much for plugging in, logging in, signing up, subscribing, and we got some good stuff coming your way.

Yeah, what do we think is... A lot of great stuff. Yeah, and to, you know, before we get into it, just want to say with the Patreon, every single episode we record here, the day of the recording, it goes to Patreon and not only do get early access, but you get the video format of each episode. So you can see how much of a hippie I look like. But yeah, so, you know, I feel like we should have a guest on this because I know we've talked about it in the past. But we should have reached out to Douglas Murray for this one.

Oh, we should have. He would have probably been like, you know, Adam, have you even been to Rogan Studio? Yeah. If you even... You can't even be talking about this podcast. If you even been to a Jersey Mikes, I'd be like, whoa. heavy yeah i guess you got to go there dude you got to go somewhere before you can even say anything about it exactly so i feel like if we want to keep doing this podcast we have to break into

rogan studio or something imagine imagine if douglas murray was interviewing like an astronomer and they're like have you even been to saturn he's like well no well discredited clearly Can't trust of that Have you even touched a black hole? Have you even been to the center of the universe? It's like, okay, all right. Well, I hate to say it because I do like Douglas. I've liked a lot of the stuff that he said.

I've liked other times he's come on Rogan. But when he came on with Dave Smith, I was just like, oh, dude, you just got rat. And that's Dave Smith, dude. That's just Dave Smith. I mean, he is on, he's on one right now. That's how we'd say in England. He's on one.

It's like people have been giving him a hard time about the fact that he's a comedian, you know, whatever, like, oh, are you even, you know, a specialist of this? Like, are you like, it's like, okay, you know, he's getting that massive hit back. But my God, you put him in front of anybody on any panel, and he just smashes it. he is so passionate about this stuff and not only that he's very compassionate like he really does care about the state of things yeah and if you listen to his podcast you can see a little more of that side of him and it's really cool to see and yeah like you look at lennie bruce carlin it's it's in the blood of comedians i guess even a lot of my fellow comics are very very political some I know only have political

material. So it just coincides because that's what comedy is. You observe the world and you pretty much roast it. And there is a shit ton to roast right now. It's so true. Oh, hold on real quick. I want to do a quick shout out. I totally forgot. And we talked about it before.

I want to do a shout out to our boy, Ed, over at the Jerry Companion, which is the best fan run Instagram for the Rogan sphere in the world. It's fantastic And Ed is going through some health issues

I'm going to put a link in the bio To his GoFundMe And I spoke to him the other day He's in good spirits He loves the positive feedback If you're listening to this You probably already follow him On Instagram

Keep those positive messages going in We're all praying for him And I say that I'm not even like a religious person But sometimes I'll throw out a prayer Because I don't know what else to do Love that guy So we're giving him

Our best Just an absolute legend We hope he recovers But going forward with the Dave Smith episode We're going to do something now here Where I'm going to get into the episode reception And it's something we're going to do going forward

We're going to have a little more structure Talking about the overview and general reception of the podcast So yeah, this is Dave's 16th appearance, which is crazy. Yeah, yeah. He's getting very popular on a rogue. Yes, yes. And, you know, on Spotify, the first 10 comments were pretty much requesting other guests,

which means that people liked it, you know. Yeah. The first one is always, when is Alex Jones coming on? And that is the top comment on every pod for the last last. Like, well, ever since Epstein list, I think. We got to get like an Eddie Bravo, Tim Dillon, Alex Jones episode really soon. Oh, my God. I would explode.

I know, right? We got to, we'll have to do like a three-hour episode on that one. So on Spotify, you know, the top three are pretty much requesting other guests besides one being like finally a guest worth listening to. Yeah, yeah. Which, which I know people have feelings about a lot of the politics on this podcast, especially some of the Congress members and all these people pushing policies on the podcast. I've seen a lot of controversy on how people are ignoring the Epstein files. And this is just, it's just a straight up comic and let's just talk about some shit, you know. Top comment was about getting Ron Paul on the podcast on YouTube.

freeing America from the AIPAC, as well as a comment, I can confirm that Dave Smith has been there. Being obviously, you know, referring to the Douglas Murray. That's amazing. Bullshit. That might be my favorite. Yeah. And the biggest pushback on the whole episode has been Dave's opinion on Ukraine. And I really haven't been able to find, like, a single podcast.

positive comment on it and a lot of people are saying oh it's russian propaganda whatever but that's something we'll get into for sure but the general reception was pretty good real quick can we in our merch store have a t-shirt that just says Dave has all caps been there yeah can we just I'm happy I don't want to take from Dave okay that like I'm happy to just either give him all that money or we give it to charity but I think that t-shirt was sell and I want one yeah yeah i feel like if anything if there's anything he needs to touch or like douglas murray i know that's his whole thing like you know you have if you're an expert in it you have to like you know touch it or whatever he's definitely it seems like he's not an

expert in women at all by how fucking stressed out he is i think if he needs to touch anything it's a pussy to be honest dude it just it just makes me think what about like what about people that are specialists in dinosaurs and he's like where do you go from these arguments it's so bad like if you even met a Tyrannosaurus Rex is like no dude I dug up the bones

like shut up dude you need it's like you need to get laid and just have a joint be like you know what maybe I am overreacting a little bit yeah he needs some mushrooms but yeah literally like we're saying like have you even touched a black hole like what are you even you don't even know what you're fucking talking

about anyway uh but a lot of the reception was pretty positive on YouTube and Spotify it seemed like everybody who listened and enjoyed it except of course Reddit where everyone just goes to be critical and the most

what would they say yeah the most comments I saw about it were just you know how repetitive some of these Dave Smith's conversations are with Joe how people feel like they're whining about the same points over and over. A lot of people

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in American history currently, which Epstein, I'm not sure was even brought up at all. If I'm remembering correctly, but, you know, Nixon. Yeah. And the whole thing with oh, God, I'm blanking, Bob Woodward Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like that whole thing and it's like yeah what about like like it's like what year is this podcast from because it's like there's so much shit the world changes the the american politics seem to change like every

week so dramatically and it seems like there's so much to talk about where i kind of understand where people are coming from where it's like dude why are we talking about you know watergate and shit that's come up about Bob Woodward's past, you know, the whole thing with, yeah, he, you know, has background in military intelligence or whatever, and possibly Nixon was framed, which is crazy. Oh, yeah, crazy. I think about, and we'll definitely get into, but before we do, you know, Adam, how do you feel about this episode? Like, when you finished it, what was your reactions? And what are your thoughts? the same thing that I said to you

have a text. It was freaking me out. When you said back to me what part, I was like, I don't think you've listened to it yet because it was all the fucking parts. There were just so many moments. Look, I get what they're saying on Reddit. It's like, yeah, you're bringing up JFK again.

But it's the kind of, basically what they're doing is they're saying today we're being lied to. These countries keep lying to us. These, like, what we think is happening is actually bullshit and its propaganda. Let me explain how it was in the past, which we know it's true. Like, that's kind of it. I mean, the Watergate thing, what did they say? He was some sort of like intelligence guy that became a journalist and happened to have

that as his first story to like. Yeah, he was in military, like Bob Woodward before he was a journalist. He was in military intelligence. And he had top secret clearance. he wasn't like a fucking janitor yeah you know yeah and now he's like in his 20s and then puts out this groundbreaking story this this historic story the biggest scandal in american history up to that point i do think the epstein thing maybe he's just an absolute prodigy of you know journalism dude maybe he's just that good story number one biggest story of all time or let's throw out a weird conspiracy somebody totally said him up to be able to just get in there and do this like how fucked yeah and it makes me think

like what if that is true and like even watergate what if watergate Nixon was able to get in there everything and and the plan was executed perfectly and we just didn't know yeah and and all that info died with the people involved oh yeah I'm sure that happens all the things in government that all these scandals that were you know what was that quote we were talking about last time science and it's even brought up in this episode science dies with every funeral you know oh yeah i feel like you can you can put that context in everything it's like there's there must be scandals that we don't know about that will never find out about because they shredded the evidence and everyone involved died yeah and time does that

No. Time covers it up like a fucking dinosaur bone, dude. And then Douglas Murray comes in and he's like, well, have you even been there? Yeah. They shredded it, though, dude. They shredded it. It's all shredded. Talk to Nixon.

Did you even go back in time and talk to this? You even know who Alexander the Great is? You're like, oh, Douglas, sit down. Sit down. Doggy, doggy, doggy. Take some DMT. But I think that's why it's worth talking about these things. and maybe even doing it again and again

because it's like, hey, the stuff that we've actually found out about that we discovered was either an inside job or some propaganda bullshit or was just basically told to us in a way that was completely not real. There are only a few. I would imagine we catch less than 10% of these. So we should hit it up

because they're so good at covering these things up, whatever it is. It's like, hey, guys, not the first time they've lied to us. And these lies are egregious. And there is literally no limit to how egregious these lies can be. So be suspicious of what you're hearing. And that's a lot of the feel that I get from Dave Smith when he's on, you know? I could not agree more.

And I get some of the criticism with this episode. but the history like humans are predictable you know the history tells the future right so studying all these scandals studying human history and old american politics can give us some insight on the mindset of people in office people who are trying to corrupt and might make us think certain ways and how to look at things in the future but at the same time to be devil's advocate you kind of have to have both, you know, and I feel like there, there was a little bit of a one-sided conversation where it was like, yeah, Nixon, you know, the 60s drug move, all this shit where it's like, what about today? Like, I'd love for them to kind of compare some of that stuff

to some of the bullshit happening today. And of course, you know, Ukraine, Gaza, all that shit is brought up for sure but there's so many parallels with this whole um mk ultra they talked about on this episode even watergate we've seen similar things today so it would have been nice to connect some of those but at the same time yeah for sure like like this bob woodward shit um people don't know that people think he was just some random journalist it's like no dude he was in military intelligence yeah so so it makes you like look at people today who just suddenly are on like our prodigies and it's like well let's look into their history a little more and I think that's what this teaches us

well I think it's crazy that the person that called out Woodward the hardest was Bill Murray because if there's any legend in American comedy like he he is his own you know obviously he's not like a stand-up but he has the dopest movies of all time he's an absolute hero american national treasure for sure new belushi well read that book and was like this is my friend that wasn't true therefore everything else this guy's wrote is bullshit and i've never believed someone so much in my life i don't know what it is about bill but i'm like he's not the guy to give me this information, yet I trust it 100%. I'm like totally discredited. I completely believe what he thinks about that guy. I'm like, no question. You think Nixon was a crook? Well, was Nixon a crook?

Dude, I think fucking all presidents are probably, you know? I'm not a crook. Yeah. You know, you kind of have to be to get to that point. For sure, but what I'm saying is the guy that wrote that book is also full of shit too. So he had an agenda. He knew something would sell. He was willing to just be like, right, this is the picture that I'm going to paint. And I don't give a fuck about facts. I'm just going to say whatever and people will believe me because I wrote a book about it.

Imagine the power that has to. And I can't imagine being in my 20s and you become a journalist and you write an article that makes a fucking president quit. Yeah. dude he was like the most what is that dude to you're one of the most popular presidents of all time insane insane man like like how what is that do to your ego that would that would make me oh i'm the greatest writer of all time oh i can do nothing wrong yeah yeah you're gonna go on a rampage that's so dangerous too much power yeah but interesting stuff with uh woodward

nixon you know war on drugs that whole bullshit um And I think we should talk about this, which is kind of a point that connects to that pretty nicely. But the whole weird scenes inside the canyon, the whole MK Ultra thing, the whole conspiracy that the doors, all these bands from the 60s were fueled by the FBI, CIA. There were government plants to spread drugs and tame the youth. I thought that was very interesting. That's something I actually have looked into a bit myself, as you can tell by. I look like I just crawl out of the 60s. I'm a big fan of these bands.

And of course, like people are saying, weird, the doors, the monkeys, America. Why do they have family in intelligence? Why do they have family in the FBI? How convenient, how weird. It's interesting stuff. What are we supposed to make from that? Like, what's your take on that? Like, what does it mean?

What is that connection? Is it random? It seems like less likely to be random because of the tight connection. But then also it's like, well, just because you had this ability, why would it also mean your kids could just actually make good music? And is there any control? Like, what is that fucking relationship? It's an interesting question. Yeah.

just because you're Luke Skylocker doesn't mean you're you're going to be Darth Vader you know it's like just because you're uh and I agree and I don't think there's a conspiracy behind it nobody is interesting it's interesting because it's lined up to make sense now the whole point would be like to diffuse like angry teenagers because it's like that was we're talking Vietnam we're talking protesting where it's like okay let's reprogram these teens you you have that angst to go revolt. You have that angst to go protest. Just go to a concert. Same, same thing. Same vents. Same vents. You know, and it's the whole, you know, it's redefining anti-war activism into psychedelic escapism. It does kind of make me think. Like, imagine Morrison growing up, right?

handsome guy. He grows up in this world. Dad, intelligence guy, obviously raising him, telling him, what's up this is how the world is this is what i've seen this is what i know like we're talking i'm not saying that he's like telling his kid classified shit but he's giving him a real good picture of like what's going on in the world at that time and morrison is like fuck all this i'm gonna do acid write weird songs go dance around the desert like i'm not i'm not trusting any of this shit that i've just heard he he was too crazy to be a plant He is not the person you, like, put this shit on his shoulders up. Because it's like, no, he's a, he's a reaction, he's a reaction to the information.

A hundred percent, a hundred percent. That's why I don't buy a lot of this shit because it's like, you realize, it's like, you know, you realize how fucking crazy these people are. Jim Morrison, who's like, who thinks he's, like, possessed by a Native American soul. Like, you think he's going to be like, yeah, I'm a fucking, you know. plants. I'm wearing a wire. If that that dude would crack so fast under pressure, but then you have like, oh, well,

27 club. What if it was a ritual, whatever, whatever bullshit is connected to that. But I think it's interesting. And it's a book I do want to read. It's fun. The dead, there's a big connection there which they didn't bring up where a lot of people think the dead were FBI

plants or like CIA plants. Because fun fact, just since we're on the subject and like I know a bunch about the dead their sound engineer was one of the first people to individually mass produce LSD hundreds of thousands of LSD you know like they were touring uh giving out like just handing out massive quantities of LSD and you were you know thinking it's like oh the whole mK ultra plan and the whole thing with LSD and mind control um yeah that's why interesting and the guy also had connections to intelligence what very interesting very interesting stuff so you never know it's just really really interesting and i don't think it's real i don't think it's actually the government controlling people and let's just fuel drugs to the people through you know a jam band but it's weird how the dude who did it

like this random guy was making fucking thousands of of tabs of acid to just hand out on uh on tour and pretty much started the the psychedelic movement and the whole acid phase of yeah american youth just individually you know that's that's why it's interesting but yeah cool stuff really cool stuff what did you think about all the russia gate shit they were talking about So Obama, like, trying to frame Trump. And the timing on this stuff did look like a little bit of a distraction from, like, it's the recent allegations towards Obama about what he did with Russia again. I was like, it's kind of convenient timing right after the Epstein list to try and, you know,

as soon as the Epstein stuff blew up in Trump's face, I knew they were looking for a distraction immediately. now there also could be something to it like they're trying to frame Trump he obviously has been hammered in every direction you know I mean that's pretty fucking clear like you can you can sit there all day and be like he deserves all those federal you know felony charges he got and it's like based on a bunch of different payments it just seems like dumb I'm like if they found out he killed someone I'd be like yeah that is fucking super outrageous. I'm not saying that he shouldn't be hammered for breaking the law, but we know

these politicians never are. They're all doing it. How Nancy Pelosi is not in jail for something, I have no idea, but it's like, no, they shouldn't be above the law, but also they are. They constantly are. So there was a clear indication that people have focused on this person to hammer him. how he keeps surviving is like love him or hate him it's like that shit's impressive and yeah like i agree man and my whole view on that is just like like you're saying it's like i'm going to let the water and the the dust settle on this one right you know i'm going to wait for some more information to come out because the fucking epstein files is all i'm giving a shit about right now of course ukraine all this other international stuff of course is on my radar yep but like

you know and obama too it's like let's not forget the dude wore like a tan suit and everyone's like fucking commie oh you know it's like every everyone had yeah uh you know the their phase of ridicule and criticism trump especially out of everybody like everyone was throwing pitchforks at him but i don't know man it's like there's bigger fish to fry of course um i don't think this should be swept under the rug at all i don't think this should be forgotten at all but it's like dude fucking like the epstein case is the biggest american scandal and we don't even know the scale of it like obama this Obama that yeah fucking he was bombing weddings that fucking sucks there's a lot of shady things he

was doing but shouldn't we find out if we are inadvertently just being run by billionaire pedophiles that seems like a big question that should be answered yeah and it does feel like distraction the timing is really suspicious yeah it i don't know how i feel about it i don't know how i feel I think we got to just let the dust settle. Let the dust settle, dude. We can't make our minds up on this. All right. Big thing for Dave always.

Israel, Palestine, conflict, Gaza, crisis. Like, my goodness, dude. We're talking massively polarizing. What it seems like to me is people are pretty fucking upset with Israel right now. Multiple countries are coming out and being like, no, no, no. I think it's highlighted that the U.S. is like deeply, to some degree controlled by Israel because I think that that

100% like we definitely would have taken a step back but there seems to be a clear line that no one can criticize this even Trump's not brave enough to do it and the fucking devastation over there think what you want about a people but those are there's a bunch of kids there dude kids stuck in rubble

I watched the saddest thing ever. And I know they're throwing some propaganda out there. I know there, you know, there are videos that have been doctored to show that they're, like, starving. But it also is happening. So, you know, everyone loves propaganda. Why would they not be doing it? Hamas would be doing it. The Palestinians want you to, like, give a shit about what they're going through.

But the video I watched, dude. And bear in mind, I have a year and a half. old daughter who like that's a whole new thing where you're like oh my god i got to keep this thing alive she even gets a cold i feel terrible this building crumbled collapsed so there was like the wire frame that like holds you know it's like in the concrete that was open exposed and this guy's two year old was stuck behind it and because two other buildings around just got bombed there wasn't enough people to like all machinery or whatever to come in and like help he couldn't do it he sat there for hours with the lid of a water bottle feeding because that's the only thing you can reach

through and i'm not gonna tell you how it ended because it's too sad but jesus can you for and i'm like all right yes in a war you can always pick like the saddest story and feel bad about it but i'm just like this is fucking happening there a lot And then you hear the details of the blockade and, you know, one of their statesmen says stuff like no grain of wheat will get in. It's like, how can you fucking do that and live with yourself at all? War crimes. Yeah, fucking war crimes. A hundred percent.

And it's like, it's just so fucking depressing, dude. You're not supposed to starve your prisoners of war to death. Like, I know other countries have done it and they've been awful, but there's like, you know, the Geneva Convention. there's like more modern tactics to be like all right you're a prisoner

but you will get some snacks and then they do this I don't get some cheese it's or something it reminds me

of like a Bill Hicks thing you know I'm not sure if you ever saw that Bill Hicks special where he's talking about like I think it was like

the war in Iraq and he's like it's not a war you know because a war is when two sides are fighting right you know

where this is like the whole fucking you know genocide thing argument it's it's a fucking mess dude and the more i look into this it's like dude i just want to fucking rewatch the karate kid movies or something like this is just too depressing yeah yeah yeah to look at and talk about because it's so we're not even making good movies anymore

to distract us dude it's like yeah dude the 1980s you would get like ghostbusters predator like term and you would have so much positive distraction now they can't even make a fucking good movie so all we have to do is look at this depressing shit i'm like like fuck like dude i'm i'm watching fantastic four and i'm just thinking fuck the knelk boys are humanizing israel you know it's like it just doesn't end i can't there's no escapism anymore dude that was a dumb interview those guys are bless them you know what was the the fucking funniest part of that i i don't i i don't think i watch the whole thing but when they're like mcdonald's a burger king and he's like burger king and they're like dude

that's probably your worst take ever yeah worst take ever yeah dude there's no you don't have any worse decisions than picking between McDonald's and burger he's just a dude man he's just you know he eats fast food

like the rest of us the dude is a fucking demon he is the devil it's not good it's the devil it's not good dude I don't think that he is good I will say also So there are ties with Epstein when we're talking to Israel. It's just, it's depressing.

And time will tell. I'm afraid that fucking, there's going to be a crater and there won't be a genocide anymore when everyone's dead. And everyone's like, yeah, whatever, you know, it happened. Oh, I guess we can move on. It's just, I hate this world we're living. Are we supposed to just be cool with this, though? Once they flatline that place and turn it into a fucking country club, like, are we just supposed to be like, oh, yeah, that's cool?

I'm like, wait a second, I think that we're supposed to talk about this and be pretty upset. Like, I don't know. I'm not behind it. I'm not getting behind this. I'm not like, that's all right. It's hard because we can talk about it. we want but there's nothing we can do we can like the people protesting it's like they don't give a fuck true they don't give a fuck he doesn't give a shit no then you know it's but we do have a

podcast that like thousands of thousands of people listen to so maybe maybe that is something we can do yeah go yeah two idiots discussing the most complicated thing in the world and going like I don't like it. I don't care for this. Yeah, yeah, I know, right. It's like, remember when this podcast was about talking about monkeys getting stoned, you know? Oh, let's go back to that. You know, I don't want to take anything away from Dave's episode.

Like, I'm glad that he came on. But also, this is what I have always loved about Rogan is like really quickly after this. We will have like a Bigfoot episode and we can all just take a break. remember his show really was for entertainment these are the actual good distractions if they're not making good movies anymore it's like this is why people lean towards podcasts however rogan just accidentally got is massively popular as a human being has ever done so he gets into the mix because honestly he is making changes whether you like it or not he can do it There's a good argument to say that a big part of why Trump got elected is that podcast.

I believe it. And that has massive power. 55 million views, I think. And that's YouTube. That's just YouTube. It was a million a day. It was growing by more than a million a day until YouTube changed something in their freaking algorithm. And then that's when Elon went, oh yeah, motherfuckers.

and put it up on x and joe did the same and it ended up with like 200 million views i'm like oh my god insane insane yeah that's some ins for free marketing there's nothing like that there's nothing like that there's nothing but but yeah i also want to talk about the whole thing of like and this is right off the bat and since we're just like talking about joe and the whole rise of this podcast. They had this whole debate about, you know, we're just comics. Don't take us seriously.

I kind of wish more comedians like just were like held their opinions higher and were more responsible about their views. You don't have to like, like, you know, you don't have to be an expert or whatever bullshit Douglas Murray was saying. But also like, if you're wrong, you don't have to, you can just be like, yeah, man, I fucked up. I got some information wrong instead of just to be like, I'm my. comic i don't know shit i'm a comedian who gives a fuck it's like i don't know man like i think

you should be proud of your opinions and shit i'm not sure how you feel about that dude totally though and i think that listen like there's something to be said by if people listen to what you say right and i'm even talking about the fucking kim kibadashians and like people that i actually think are you know dare i say fucking donuts like they're just got nothing to add but god bless them if people are listening to you there's a reason it doesn't make you right it doesn't make you anything other than probably somehow more interesting than other people and if you have an opinion on something what is free speech it's like what because we're just a couple of dummies that you you know that you do stand up i used to do it

we really don't have a resume to like justify any opinions on anything if a lot of people are listening, we can't have thoughts about stuff. I mean, you know, it's like you don't have to listen. Turn it off then. Like,

but then you get someone like Dave Smith talking about things, who's like massively articulate, obviously reads a lot, gets into it. I mean, dude, I think Tim Dillon's takes on shit, even though he breaks it up masterfully with like the wackiest comments

and then goes silly immediately, I think there's a lot of beautiful poetic truth behind the shit that he talks about yeah i agree i agree and there's so many great comics who have political commentary and it's more than just a bit you know it's like these are real opinions you're sharing and it's like yeah like you know hold them high like stand up to them like i don't know it's it's just i've seen that a lot lately where comics will like say some like really controversial shit that's like not a joke or some shit that's like you know people might disagree with and then they'll just crack under pressure and be like yeah it's a bit i'm a comic who gives a fuck

but i don't know i think i think people should be a little more proud and like confident with their opinions but anyway well i think dave is i think he's just defending his very i think he's just defending his point and then you know rogan does it a lot by being like listen don't listen to me, I'm just a comic. I mean, he's doing it because that's an important, humble state that he should keep. Because what's the alternative? He comes out and he's like, I am the guy. Listen to me. It's like, all right, the cult of Rogan, like, easy. It's just not his style. He's like, yeah, you're right, 100%. But at the same time, like, the Rogan podcast, like the Joe Rogan experience is one of the most influential platforms right now like we're talking about it elected a fucking president a podcast elected a president yeah you know pretty pretty influential so there's it's it's a tough because because Rogan's battling this thing where he's even talking about I don't know how I got here this this whole thing this whole situation I'm in I just I thought it'd be fun to get fucked up with comics and now here I am

right so it's i don't like if i was in his position i don't know how the hell i would i would handle this but yeah i wouldn't be able to even begin to navigate it like he can the pressure would be insane i would just crack especially when cnn came after him for ivermectin and all the rest of it i mean i would have just quit and gone and lived in the woods the fact that he weathered that storm and honestly came out the back of it like it was really clear after that that good luck taking down rogan like good luck it's just it's not going to happen and it made cnn look like massive dickheads well yeah which is easy to do at this point it's so easy

fucking idiots now we have to talk about 9-11 yeah one of my favorite things that we have to yeah we have to talk about 9-11 a massive part of this episode um as uh yeah

what are we thinking inside job I was gonna try a big norm McDonald joke yeah that's the whole like I don't think back of the day they're like you know I'm not sure if you saw what was that? documentary loose change

that was like one of the first like 9-11 is fake documentaries um were like old skinny guy yeah yeah the old skinny guy that did it yeah they've made a bunch of those can't melt steel beams you know all that bullshit well dude like look three like steel what is it like external steel construction buildings

that are like the toughest ones, right? They're the toughest. Only three have ever come down. They were all owned by the same guy. And they came down on the same day. And it's like, all right. There was a really compelling Instagram I saw today just randomly popped up.

And it talked about this legendary fireman that got up to the floors, like to get an elevator for a bit, then eventually got to the 78th floor, and he went in and he were at the point of impact. there's two main fires in here and we can put them both out and then one minute later the entire building collapsed damn it's stuff like that is worth look that's not that's just a report

they heard him on the radio people wrote it down you know he's like a legend in his in his world he's done this for 20 plus years he knows what he's looking at and there we go you don't need to bring in conspiracy theorists you don't need to bring in structural engineers you've got a guy that's like boots on the ground in the middle of it and he's like we can handle both these fires

it's not a big deal and then boom yeah I hate to say but it is one of the the most enjoyable conspiracy theories because the iceberg goes so deep with that dude like that like you're saying George Bush his approval rating went up fucking insanely high after it the whole speech

you know I hear you it was like it was free reign to invade any way you want in the world the Patriot Act as well I mean yeah the like the Patriot Act it was like all like it was like wow this really this sucked and this killed a lot of people

but for the government like was just do whatever the fuck right it was almost like it was it was almost like a a Star Wars fucking Palpatine you know pay the fucking people to attack me so I get full power

to do whatever I want it was like there's some parallel that that's a very nerdy example no but that's what I mean it's like it is very true and you know yeah you can also to like ground this a little bit, you can also go back and be like, that would be really fucking complicated to pull off. If they fucked up any part of this, that would be massively destructive. Like, even the idea that in the future, someone could figure out that this was bullshit. I mean, who the fuck would believe in any government institution after that? That's the

type of thing that on mass, Americans would be like, we're not paying taxes anymore. Like, there's one smoking gun. They find out one thing. It makes it real clear that somebody, it was an inside job or whatever. It's like everyone just takes a step back and goes, you're fired. Goodbye government. Like, whatever you're doing is bullshit. If Nixon can't break into a fucking office building and get away with it, there's no way Bush could, like, there's no way you could pull this off.

This is arguably harder than the- moon landing if it wasn't if it was done it wasn't bush that did it he was just told that it was happening like whatever would have done it is a whole different group now it's a group that that is on a whole new level now i don't know if those groups exist i kind of don't want to believe they do i want to believe that we're like very very flawed bad at keeping secrets and it actually would be that difficult, but I don't know, dude, there's like real energy that we're reverse engineering fucking UFOs. If you're going to take that on, which honestly, each year becomes, seems more and more genuine, I'm like, who knows what people are willing to do

and capable of pulling off? Alex Jones predicted this as well. There's a lot of things about 9-11 that are like, uh-oh, that's weird. But at the same time, it's like, you know, the whole like money conspiracy and everything where you fold it and it's uh and it's like the twin towers burning yeah you know there's that great nick mullin joke where someone's like it's a conspiracy he's like it's actually origami um and he's talking about how it's how it's like you know it's not like the government's going to be like all right we we have masked this conspiracy now we got to we got to make the clues well so the justice department time so yeah the justice department teamed up with Mad Magazine, and we're going to make some origami shit.

It's like, it's so bullshit some of it. The fucking clues, that whole thing about the clues is like, all right, we've got a good conspiracy here, but now we've got to leave the clues is one of the funniest fucking parts of any conspiracy theory. It's like, we're trying to hide it. They're not leaving clues. They don't want to. We're looking too hard in the wrong places, folks.

Relax. Yeah, the whole idea of. the government teaming up with mad magazine i just i just fucking love that line but yeah there's a lot of just bullshit in it and yeah it would just be so hard to pull off i think like really truly it would be so hard to pull that shit off um it would be harder to i think it'd be easier to fake the moon landing probably yeah it's a big one dude it's a big one and it's wild but that tower seven just falling just yeah it's like i just it just it just Whoops.

Man, it doesn't make sense. None of that shit does. And then they found a fucking passport of one of the terrorists, like in the rubble. I'm like, what? The plane blew up in the building. Incinerated. Yeah, what did it fall out the site? That's a fucking super reasonable question to ask.

How in the fuck would it have floated down to the ground for some investigator to find it, too? It was like straight up an FBI agent. Oh, I found this. Wasn't even burnt. Yeah. No black box. Remember, no black box was found. Yeah.

Yeah. It's crazy, man. It's crazy because it's like it's just the perfect layup to like, you know, the war on terrorism. Oh, dude. In the Pentagon. It was like everyone to reunite, united. And it's like throw as much fucking money into the war as you want. Do whatever the fuck you want.

All right. We're going to spy on you too. Go for it. Do whatever the fuck you want. Keep us safe. I'm so scared. Red alert. Orange alert, green alert, blue.

Remember the Pentagon? No video. Basically didn't look like a plane at all. They barely found any plane parts. There's like scraps of metal on the lawn. And I'm like, just show the video. Why would you not want to show? Why would you take all of the footage?

And then somehow it's like a straight shot. along the ground that blows up on the building. It's like three images from a one megapixel camera on the most heavily guarded building probably in the world. And I'm like

I don't even get it. I'm like if you were going to fake something, wouldn't you at least get some sort of fucking animation put together for that? Yeah, it's weird and it was just kind of yeah it was more of the

idea of it happening than like because it's all it's like the twin towers 9-11 like it the pentagon it like it was crazy and the like what it represents and that being hit is like scary and it's like wow i thought we thought we were protected here but dude the only other thing they could have added is like somebody crashes into the white house you know what which allegedly that was what's going to happen but the um the passengers like hijacked the plane and it crashed in the field That was like the other plane. In that field that had also no plane parts for some reason. Yeah.

Yeah. And they're like, yeah, it just incinerated. Yeah, it was just like scraped along the ground and they're like, the plane's gone. It just is gone. I'm like, what? I mean, I'm too dumb to like figure that stuff out, of course. I don't know anything about how planes break up or whatever. But when they bring these experts on that know about like crashes or how buildings are made

how strong they are all of them are like yeah that doesn't make sense i don't know why that would happen yeah but whatever it's it's one of those things where it's such a tragedy where people are just like yeah i don't know but well they're almost mad at you for questioning it like you're like you're being rude or disrespecting the the poor fuckers that died and i'm like i don't think that's true i think that all the people that suffered and died during the whole thing would want the truth to come out instead of be like how day you question this those that was such a tragedy and we did everything we could to protect blah blah blah and I'm like well why does so much of it not fucking make any sense yeah you know it should seems like

it should it did for a long time I didn't question stuff until they started making those documentaries I was just mad at the Middle East yeah and then like like the war on terrorism costed a million lives total you know like like you're mad of soldiers and people killed and the crossfire like what happened after

9-11 the whole war on terrorism like the ripple effect what this snowballed into we still see today with TSA and like you were able to walk to the gate with family it was like this whole fun destination of travel now

yeah now now now it's like you know you know how many times I've been like pulled aside like they see me they're like oh yeah you're fucking going in the room I literally pull you over that there's zero chance you don't have some weird

in your pocket right now this guy this guy shoved the box cutter up his ass or something we gotta he's guilty or something but the fact that you can't even take like a certain amount of a liquid through is so annoying I'm like can I just

have a coffee and then walk through your x-ray machine please i can't bring my doctor pepper to chicago it's like what there's a bomb in it you're like what how many what i like i do i don't want to be a pain in the ass because they have a job and it's like whatever the job sucks it's like working at the dmv but sometimes and they don't make the rules but i just want to look at them and be like seriously. Dude, one time I was flying to Germany

and I was doing this like work thing I had to go to Latvia and I had a charcutary right that I got at Whole Foods because they have great cheeses so I just like

I knew that on the plane I you know a lot of those times those international flights are fairly empty so you might have a couple of tray tables in front of you

you could spread out on and I was like you know what I'm going to do it's a long ass flight 11 hours, whatever. I'm going to have like a charcutory line. I'm going to have the crackers and the jam and the cheeses and the meats and whatever. I just like treated myself.

They tried to take the jams off me because they were like four ounces and it was like 3.2 you're allowed or something similar. I don't remember the numbers. And I usually would just agree and be like, no worries. I'm like, listen. I spent like $85 on this cheese plate for this flight. If I don't have those jams with this cracker and these cheeses, the whole thing's fucked. Please find it in yourself to allow this extra.

I go, they're not going to blow up, which maybe I shouldn't have said because it was the TSA. This lady looked at me, she laughed, and she's like, I know, but we just got rules, but okay, you can take them. but to me that just highlighted like oh we live in we kind of live in a fucking wacky world right now yeah Adam you know you can suffocate someone with that jam right it's like

I was trying to think like of all the weapons I could bring on a plane jam is the worst one it might be the most useless the second 9-11 you know it was was you know the jam was was the main weapon. It's it's fucking bullshit. It's like TSA and there's so many like people who give you a hard time. And it's like yeah, I get it's a I get it's a shit job. But if you like fucking hate everybody because of it, why are you working here? You know, like there's there's a fine line between like your job sucks. I get it. I'm going to, you know, try to make this easy for you. But there's, you know, at the same time there's people where it's like, dude, why do you work here? It seems like you are in.

hell at this job. Yeah. Like you fucking hate everybody. You're making this harder for everybody else. It's just, I don't know, man. It's a,

it's a rough position. I can't imagine being in TSA, but yeah, why don't we just throw out? Why don't we just throw out like one airport that has like no security? You know, you can do it in Bozeman.

Do Bozeman Airport. No, nothing. You just walk through. Aalada airlines. Carry whatever you want. And then we just, hang out and see what happens and then we give it six months you know it'd be like sweden during

covid where they didn't do any of the lockdowns or fuck with anything and everyone lived and it was fine and we're like yeah we got to try some of those to be like hey can we take a step back or is it just like better and better x-ray machines until they're like scanning the inside of our bones to find out if we're smuggling heroin yeah it's like you go through tsa it's like Oh, you know, you have like colon cancer, right? It's like, what? Yeah, that's what the future's looking like. Yeah, they just print out a diagnosis for you.

They're like, you have high blood pressure and you're too fat. Like, oh, shit. You go through TSA, they're like, damn, you're still a virgin? Like, they know fucking everything about you. They're like, sir. Stop looking at my dick. I'm trying to go to Chicago. They're like, sir, you might be retarded.

You're like, man, these brain scans are good. Also, yeah, I am terrible at crosswords. Like Alex Jones. Yeah. well listen let's call it a day of this Dave Smith's right the episode oh yeah yeah we've forgot to do that last time dude honestly honestly I loved it it's for me and just because of what I love about Rogan stuff and don't get me wrong I wouldn't want these three times a week it would be exhausting but when it pops up I'm glad that someone like this Dave is brave enough

to say the shit that he does I think it's important to hear you know it's It's the uncomfortable truth that, you know, we don't get enough of. It's unfiltered. It's like probably more accurate than we get from the news. This, it's a fucking 8 out of 10 for me. Are we doing 8 out of 10? We're doing 10s, right? Well, dude, I'm going to be right there with you, 8 out of 10, 100%.

Everything I said, I think that one thing that holds us back is kind of like, you know, a bit of the criticism of what people are saying of like, I would have liked to see some modern topics and to hear about Epstein and more about the Trump administration and just everything else. But, yeah, I think it was great. Eight out of ten, solid, 9-11. You got some Ukraine stuff. You got some Israel. There was a bit of modern stuff there for sure.

But the Epstein stuff and some of like the other things in the current administration, you know, just completely being forgotten about in this episode. keep it from that 10 out of 10 but for sure extremely high rating banger of an episode really great stuff and it's funny because when you text to me this is like making me depressed I usually watch them like a day before we do the episode so I really had it fresh in my mind so I was like damn like you know yeah I'm like what part you know I got I got to squeeze it in watching it I got to squeeze it in where I can but look also It's important to say, like, you know, sometimes you get carried away and people often are not good at rating anything, right? We've got to be like, what's his name?

That guy that does the pizzas from Dave Portnoy. Yeah, we got to be a bit like that. Like, it's, you've got to be exceptional to get over eight because otherwise we're just like, oh, this was fun, everything's a 10. Like, tens are going to be rare. Nines are going to be way out there. And this eight comes with a caveat. Yeah. It's like for every Rogan listener, this might not be the angle of things that you enjoy, right? Yeah. It's like 10 out of 10 is like every, every topic is just, you know, it's funny. It's, there's a lot of insight.

It's like everything I want out of Rogan episode. Rogan himself hands me a joint from my phone, you know, like everything had the stars have to align. It's like Tim Dylan is back on cocaine and just rips through through. hours, or a Joey Diaz from 10 years ago, that that's the kind of thing that I'm going to hold the standard of. Like the Eddie Bravo, Alex Jones stuff like that's like, yeah. Wowza. Well, we'll see. Anyway, thank you, Brandon.

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