Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 466 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Charlie Sheen

Episode Date: September 18, 2025

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You're listening to the Joe Rogan experience review. What a bizarre thing we've created. Now with your host, Adam Thorn. This might either be the worst podcast. Two, one. One, go. Enjoy the show. Hey, guys, and welcome to the episode.

Joined, as always, by Brandon, or as always, moving forward. Good to see you. Great being back. This was a fun episode, and I cannot wait to talk about it. Oh, it's going to be good. Good. Come on. The legend that is Charlie Sheen. I mean, dude, I grew up in the 80s. I was watching Platoon, Wall Street, you know, eventually two and a half men meltdowns. I mean, hot shots one, hot shots part do. Filarious. Those interviews post-firing are just some of the most legendary

tapes. I have tiger blood in me. Yeah. Yeah. That, You know, and what was great about this conversation with Joe is, like, Joe is the perfect guy to kind of not judge you and listen to what brought you to your, you know, semi meltdown, breakdown, whatever it is. And I like that Charlie was, he's pretty humble about it. He wasn't making excuses. He was like, yeah, did a lot of cocaine and testosterone. I mean, plus other drugs. I mean, it's going to get you that, dude. It will for sure.

Yeah, I really was surprised and they talk about this. And I'll just say this before we get into like the whole episode breakdown. But like how the hell have Joe and Charlie like never met until now? Like also the fact that this was the first time he was on the podcast because I saw the episode. And, you know, I was like, oh, you know, it's cool. I assume that was maybe his third, fourth appearance on the podcast. I was shocked they've never even met until now so it was cool it was really yeah yeah it was

awesome to see him together and I and I thought a great conversation I mean yeah it's interesting what he's doing he's got his kind of show that's come out um and I think that you know after the kind of rock bottom that he hit and the lunacy that he was you know back to winning and tiger blood and all the rest of it. How do you recover from that? Especially in the world of Hollywood. However, he just seems to know how to do it in his own wacky way. And people are giving him a lot of credit for sobering up now.

It's like, good job. Give him a chance. Yeah. And it really just goes to show if you're like humble about it and honest, people are going to see that. And everyone loves Charlie Sheen. The comments were just like everyone loves this guy. An actor who goes through shit like this,

it's so hit or miss when it comes to like reception, you know. But Charlie Sheen, man, like he's the man. He's he's an OG. Great guy. Yeah. Yeah. For sure, you got to put him in that category for, you know. I mean, he was like, he was like a minus list.

I don't know if it was like A-list, but he was always just kind of hovered around. And in between, he was definitely not a B-lister. Let's be fair, he was in some big-ish movies in the 80s, did some bangers in his own right in the 90s, huge TV show. I mean, two and a half men is kind of undeniable for how much money he was making. It's a great show, too. Yeah. He was in six seasons of that, he said. I believe on the podcast, yeah.

So, my, my grandfather loved that show. It's, it's great. I was watching it way too young, but it was just such a, such a good show. I also loved them. I do want to shout out this too. I loved them in a scary movie three. Did you ever see that? Yeah, he played on the farm.

Who? Well, he played Mel Gibson's pop because it was signs. They were making fun of signs. Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. great he's he's just like he's really like as a dramatic actor

a comedy actor just really solid and just like in conversation too like really chill guy yeah was that your sense of him overall like I mean look you don't party like that

if you're not cool to hang out with so clearly he is right right he went he went a little off the rails but it does sound like he's he's uh dude i'd say he blew up the whole fucking track a little off the rails no i just mean i just mean i just mean that going off the rails people can do it in all different ways right conier did it

in its own way people have done it mine lawrence did it in his way charlie's was so wilder nuts and he was saying the craziest types of things yet at the same time it kind of became a thing people was saying. I mean, back in the day, we were all saying winning and tiger blood. Like, it kind of didn't offend us as much as many people

do when they go off the rails. Well, I think it was like the whole kind of like it's like how you like seeing Ozzy fucked up Keith Richards, like all these musicians, I feel like it's that same kind of energy where it's like, dude,

he's awesome, he's crazy. where, you know, in reality, people should have been probably like, hey, I think he needs to, like, seek fucking help. People were kind of encouraging him, it seemed, when he was going through all this. That's what he was saying. Yeah. Yeah. He probably had, like, publicists around him.

And they're like, hey, you're trending right now. Keep it up. And that's a dangerous thing when you're smoking crack. Yeah. It's crack can send you down some crazy paths. As we know with Hunter Biden, you know, whole thing we we talked about but yeah man there's like footage of him drunk like at a McDonald's drive through there's so much great footage of him drunk but and like crazy but at

the same time what's cool is there's also amazing for like this podcast amazing footage of him just like being such a cool guy and down to earth and humble and honest and that's what I really really loved about this episode because he's like he's just like how he's reflecting on his life and everything he did and how he approaches these subjects are just really cool to see. And as a lot of people are saying in the comments, they're like, wow, man, as someone who like is recovering, this was really great to hear. So just cool, cool stuff. Yeah. I mean, look, anytime someone can really take a step back and be humble in a sense of like not making excuses for themselves, just being real. That's what I felt like we would get it.

I mean, Joe brought it up. He grew up on the set of Apocalypse now, right, with his dad. Martin Sheen and Brando, 1979. It's like he was so young. He's surrounded by these powerhouse actors doing their thing. And like all actors to some degree are wacky. So he's picking up on all this, you know, eventually landed Red Dawn in, oh, my You know, it's 1984, Platoon 86, you know, as a teenager, dude, a fucking...

Crazy debut. Platoon is such a legendary movie, and he wasn't even 20. Insane. Yeah. Like that'll fuck you up. To get that success that early is so dangerous, especially as a teenager. Like, it's one thing when you're a kid, you know, and that's really dangerous as well. but like when you're like really getting into rebellion and trying substances and like really

branching out with alcohol now suddenly you have all this money it makes sense all the things that led to his complete destruction it the seeds were you know planted yeah yeah yeah i mean look martin sheens um uh work in platy apocalypse now i mean I mean, obviously Brando shined in that. But Martin had a powerful, powerful role in that movie. So for Charlie to go

into platoon and have the opportunity to do something very similar, you know, you start to think that your generations of incredible actors and that's got to be a shitload of pressure, dude.

And we're talking about like a top five movie ever, maybe. Is that fair to say? Oh, Apocalypse Now? Yeah. Oh, dude, it's on the list. Top 5, top 10. I would say platoons in the top 50 or 100.

Yeah. You got to put that in there. That movie, that movie's hard to watch sometimes. You know, some of those scenes are like, oh. Yeah. Yeah. A lot, like, a lot of the, like even Apocalypse Now, man, like there's some, I believe the scene where they kill the cow. It's been a while since I

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Let's say that. And I know that's like a minor thing, but it's like it just goes to like even the fake brutality and then you have like a real. It added to the darkness. Exactly. It had a different type of darkness in that movie for sure. Yeah. For sure.

But crazy legacy this guy had. Like seriously, what a fucking timeline. Mm-hmm. Like what a life. hitting rock bottom i know it was like valium alcohol crack coke and then he just started was it like 20 it was before covid i'm thinking like 2 000 geez because because i'm trying to think when i'm comparing i'm using um two and a half man as like a point of reference Yeah, yeah, that's how you know.

Are we talking like the 2010s? I think it was a bit later. Really? It's a, yeah. Are you sure? Yeah, because it was before, it was after his HIV diagnosis. Oh, yeah. And that was like 2015-ish.

Yeah, I think. And, you know, then he went off the rails. and um that was it yeah i mean we're quiet for a while it's pretty quiet yeah i feel like even like a lot of the quietness that came like after and everything it's like well deserved and it's needed for sure oh you know it's like after something like that you got to have to just like have some time to yourself it was just like something i do want to talk about with this like episode is like it was just really cool hearing things like how he's like yeah i'd fucking day drink and i'd have it with coffee and he's like there i'd love getting fucked up in the morning and then

my daughter would be like hey you have to drive me and he's like oh fuck all right i'm gonna call my friend and it's like damn no matter what no matter how fucking crazy this guy was never got a d ui amazing yeah like like was just no matter what was able to like really not risk family like not fuck up anything to that extent because like that's what it leads to. There's so many stories of like these crazy musicians and their kids and their kids talking about. Yeah, he would pick me up from school and he's shitfaced.

We're driving down the highway and he's like, you know, swerving in and out of lanes where Charlie was fucking insane, man. Like the, the benches he was on were unreal and still was able to like, you know, preserve that side of him is really cool and very rare in these blacking out in Vegas and waking up to paramedics and going you know what I should go to sobriety you should start this it's like one of those but you're right I mean look he did have some divorces quite a few so I'm sure that the substances kind of bled in to that like life, no doubt.

But at the same time, yeah. I mean, he's still connected with his kids. He still is connected with his family. His brother, shout out to Emilio Estafaz. How do he say it? Estabance. Estabazz. I would like him.

Played Billy the Kid in Young Guns. One of my favorite kind of older school movies, love those. And, you know, so that says a lot, right? He didn't cut people off. Even the guy that was directing, all produced, two and a half men had him back on later, which is kind of a big deal, honestly. You know, it's like, look, you can get pretty frustrated with people in your life that have substance abuse problems.

But there is a point, if they're not on top of that, actually huge assholes, to where you're like, ah, this was the drugs. right and it's nice to see that you don't have to you don't have to cut them off completely yeah and um getting into this episode there was so many topics that worked like the the fucking jfk assassination you know the oj verdict uh the the CIA Charles Manson's shit which I did not expect them to talk about whatsoever uh-huh I was really I was like, okay, we're going to talk about recovery, substance abuse, but this really got like, really turned into a conspiracy podcast pretty quick.

Yeah. All the, all the hot topics, like even which, you know, and we'll get into the, the Charlie Kirk stuff, but like so, so much conspiracy and how did you feel about that element? I mean, it made sense. Like, you do enough drugs. You're going to be thinking about conspiracies more than you're planned on thinking about them. I mean, I would just say that across the board. Like, you know, the good ones, the bad ones, you know, I throw mushrooms in the category of the good ones.

I throw cocaine and crack in the category of the bad or slightly worse ones. And maybe not slightly, maybe just worse. but like there's levels to which ones right however you do enough of any of them in any order you really start to ask yourself some interesting questions that lead you down some rabbit holes and no doubt both of these two together were tuned in for that i think for the majority of the time they did very different drugs but it kind of it kind of brings up some stuff i mean JFK assassination of course you know

just the hundreds of hours spent watching documentaries I mean Joe has been obsessed with that forever always will be yeah he talks about the book Best Evidence which

I'm not sure if he was it on this podcast he talks about reading that book and he like bombs Oh it's like a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, yeah, we can roll that up like a dozen times though. Yeah, I'm probably mixing a couple episodes at once, but like where he just reads it all in one sitting and he like loses his fucking minds. Why would you read that before you go on stage? I mean, look, I know a lot of things

happen before you go on stage and he was probably quite a lot younger, but the fact that he decided to read that book, I mean, that's going to spin you out, dude. Yeah, it's like, holy shit, what else is the whole world a fucking lie? And you're just sat in that for like how many hours like that that you know breaking down evidence

the being convinced slowly that yeah this guy the CIA killed them all this shit's bullshit. It's like fuck what else is fake? What else is it real? What else were we lied about?

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And sitting with that and like asking all these questions over and over in your head, I can't imagine what that would do to me. If I'm like going on stage and it's like, all right, time to be funny. I just want to be on stage and be like, we got to do something. We got to fucking overthrow the government. I don't know. I would change my whole act up. If I knew that I was,

I could not even do my 10 minutes or whatever it is because I'm not in the right headspace. I would just have to talk about whatever I'm thinking. Yeah. Even if it bombed. At least you would give yourself a chance to go on a, like a bill better rant potentially. Yeah.

A Philly rant, but about the CIA. Yeah. That'd be crazy. Yeah. But yeah, man, Like the JFK stuff was cool. A lot of insightful stuff.

It's just so hard because there's so much evidence out there. And it's hard to keep track of like all these like, oh, the autopsy and, you know, back into the left. Let's just take a second. Let's take a second because I think this is important, one for our audience and also two for us. Like, and bear in mind, it's only what we think today. and you know Brandon and I are both dummies so we're doing our best but

what is like if if somebody gave you a big pile of chips from the casino and you've got a few options in front of you did it go down the way that they said was it you know um I don't know

Russians was it an inside job CIA like where like and not to get you in trouble and you don't have to answer this because people get killed for their opinions. We're not going to, but where are you sliding your chips? And I'm happy to go first if

you're concerned about this. So I'm thinking it was probably you know, if I was, I'm thinking like maybe Peter Thiel with a time machine went in there. Like honestly, man, if I was to put my like, if I was to put money on it, I'd say the CIA.

I really would. Because every time I look into this more. It's like, oh, like even this podcast, it's like a couple things that we're talking about where it's like, all right, I'm going to look into it a little bit. And after doing research, I'm like, that's not good. And it's, and it's the certain things that cause you to want to go down that rabbit hole. And there's so many elements, man, of this, where it's like the witnesses, like one dies in their car with the, with the car on and they like suffocated because I guess they were in their garage and kept the car running it's like how the fuck does that happen like why do all these witnesses die in weird mysterious ways um the back into the left the autopsy

with the the reconstructing his face it's just weird there's so many weird elements to this conspiracy uh i would say the CIA did it i know i'm not sure what the whole deal is with the i know right now there's the whole JFK files. I'm not sure if they were put out already or if part of it were. I know it's like highly redacted. Highly redacted. Oh, really? Yeah.

Yeah. It was like 150 pages of like Sharpies. It's like you killed five Sharpies and then putting out these files, you know. I kind of feel like when they do that, it's like they're disrespecting us. so bad. It like took that long to get it and it's just like one word, another word, another word, just lots of lines so that are black. It's like what, why even, why even give us, what are you really giving us? Just letting us know that there's a lot of information we can't have and there's a lot of pages with black lines on it. That was like when they did the like

Epstein files phase one and had all those influencers go to the White House. I mean, why not then just release the Epstein files and it just has a heading Epstein files and then 900 black lines and they're like, well, we released it. We just had to take a bit of information out.

It's technically in the public. You can't, you can't be like, well, they didn't give us something. It's so bullshit. It's that, like the element of drip feeding. that's happening in our government with just like sometimes such bullshit like it's sometimes i feel like i'm a cow in one of those factory farms but but the the guy that runs the farm comes over and it sometimes rubs your head

and it's like hey you're just one of us you've got rights you can vote on whether we take all your milk or slaughter half. But it's like, we do it. We do it together. You guys are great. And then they just walk you off, milk you, and then kill you. And then you realize, oh, I had no choice, but to eat your shitty food that you gave us, do everything that you told us to do, and then we just get slaughtered.

I mean, that's a bit of a dark analogy. But it fits. I don't really know how much real freedom we have or what our rights really work into. I mean, me neither, man. Like, I really have no idea. This whole, like, and we'll get into it with the whole Charlie Kirk thing because it's talked about, like Joe finds out live on the podcast that he shot. But the amount of conspiracy buzzing around that right now, it's because,

our government so fucking like, you know, blatantly lies to our face. So no shit everyone questions everything. No one knows what's real anymore. And it's the fault of our government because they're, they don't care anymore. They're like, yeah, we're bullshit. So what? Right. Go fucking, you know, stop complaining.

That's how it feels, man. It's like, this is why everybody is questioning everything because of these Epstein files because of the JFK stuff, the Martin Luther King files, which, like, it's all just shit. It's all shit that's never going to come out. And I just feel like the country is more divided than ever. No one trusts anybody. Cash Patel, dude, you see him on TV being like, Charlie Kirk, I will see you in Valala. Who is?

What the fuck? That's our guy. Yeah. And he looks like he's on Coke. his eyes are bulging he looks ever since he was on Rogan he looks insane it's like I just don't trust anybody

I mean he looked a bit insane before but at least he before he was seen as a wild man he was seen as the type of person that couldn't be like just completely swallowed by the swamp and then indoctrinated into

well this is what politics looks like and then he goes on Rogan he's like there's nothing in them I would release it if I have it. And I'm like, bro, zero percent of the people believe you. That's what I would say. I would say zero percent. And the people that are behind you going, no, no, no, he's doing a good job.

They're probably on the list. That's why they are saying it. Exactly. I'm just throwing that out of there. Sorry, cash. Dude, I'm telling you, though, I did have a lot of faith. I thought he was a wild man. I thought he was willing to mix it up.

I thought he was braver than he was. And look, I'm not saying I'm that brave. I don't want to do that job. I'm sure if I got in, I would make a lot of, you know, I would say a lot of things. I'd be like, oh, I'm going to do this and this. And then I would meet some very scary people and I would shut the fuck up. I get it. However, I still want to believe that some of these people that are like trying to do this pursuit

and get in these positions are brave enough to stand up. And I think the last person we saw even attempted is Charlie Kirk and it's going to put a lot of people off because we just saw what happened. And I don't want to be conspiracy too much, but it does not seem.

And I'm only saying this because I spoke to a couple of Green Berets, snipers, and a dude on the SWAT team. and you know I mean I have to outsource some of that to them because I don't know how any of it works and they were like doesn't add up dude it doesn't

and all we can really do right now is just sit and wait for more information especially on the shooter because I feel like every fucking day it's different you know one day he was a trans furry next day he's a neo-Nazi it's like I think we just need

to sit and wait for more information because he's also right now and he's in custody he's not saying shit people are saying he's like not working with anybody he's keeping his mouth shut who knows it's it's so weird this whole thing is so weird it's also sad if those types of theories are true yeah and then these poor kids right that are like the one that shot trump okay so we can believe the kid they shot Trump just shot Trump did it on his own no connections there was no investigation that released anything to anyone he was just a guy that did it they killed him and that's the end of it it's like who did he work with who did he train with did he have a team how did he find the roof like it was the lamest it's almost like they were just like yeah we don't tell you

stuff anymore. His shit was scrubbed. No evidence of a past on the internet. Like Yeah. House professionally cleaned. No, no silverware.

So we got to believe somebody that eats with their hands, eat soup with their hands was able to shoot the president. He's outside eating grass. Yeah. Just eating grass, dude. Only Taco Bell.

just shit with that sloped roof he took the phrase touch grass a little too literally you know fucking yeah i don't know dude it doesn't add up to me but again you know i don't know about how any of this stuff works

but i will tell you what feels right to me is to have extensive investigations that are somewhat logical and you know I mean, at least they did it with the 9-11 commission. And I don't think there's like one engineer on the planet that believed anything that they wrote in there.

Yeah, it's, you know what I mean? But it was like a thousand pages. They at least had like a huge document that no one would ever read. Yeah. Yeah. That's the point, you know? Like let's just, even with the JFK thing, it's like the whole, it's like, let's just make like a 4,000 word document about this thing.

No one's going to read that shit. And we'll just put it out. We made it public. All right, move on, you know. It happens everywhere, you know. And yeah, it's, and that's, that's the problem, Adam. You're using your brain when it comes to this kind of thinking. Because our fucking, like, dude, we didn't even catch the shooter.

His parents turned him in. And then Cash Tells, like, we got him. No, you didn't. He got him. You fucking idiot. Like, you're like, did you get him? Well, did he just woke up to you? It's not quite the same thing.

Who got who? Yeah. It seems like, yeah, it's fucking, I don't know. Seems like if anyone's got anybody, it's Epstein has cash, Patel by the balls. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's video of him. I don't know. I don't know what to think, man.

I really don't. And I mean, look, let's kind of get to the meat of the pod, right? There was a lot that was said. I don't want to take all the attention away from Charlie, but there was a big moment. And it was a bigger moment than when Elon said on the Cash Patel podcast, which I think Elon knew that Cash was on and knows Rogan. So he timed that perfectly.

And he was like, Trump won't release the Epstein. because he's on it. Bam. Rogan has to ask that question and Cash just flops like a baby. God bless him. But on this one, they're in the middle of the interview.

They went for a piss. It's, I think, two hours, what did I say? Two hours, 50? 2.30, I think. 2.30, maybe 50 seconds. Something like that. 2.30.

Yeah, they went for. a piss and they came back and there was real shock and i will say that rogan did say he only met him once i'm so bummed that charlie didn't go on rogan um especially now obviously but rogan was really shook up by that and it was i thought i thought what charlie said was was awesome too i mean it was great reflection on like you should not be killed for speaking your truth you know yeah for your opinions is mad as people go i would say anyone listening that is like charlie kirk sucks i get it all right i don't agree with everything he said go back and watch some of his videos though he would really engage with people he rarely like lost his temper

talking to people and he kept it very calm and he'd be like well why explain this and let me explain what i think and i mean holy shit can we have more conversations like that but they're like no he doesn't agree with me so therefore he should be quiet or be killed that's fucking insane don't think like that please it's bad I really enjoy having conversations. I have one today for like an hour with somebody that is like so different than me, so different. And we had a wonderful conversation. And I brought up some points.

I wasn't trying to be like too edgy. So I wasn't really pushing it. But I was patient to listen. And you know what? I appreciate their angle. And they weren't getting shitty with me. So I was like, let's have a chat. Yeah.

I talked to them again. I would. I got no problem. I have plenty of friends on both sides of the political spectrum, you know, it's like we're both on the, like we're all human. It's not us versus them, you know, we have to, we have to accept that we're all people and move forward. It's like there used to be a time where there could be someone who's a Republican or a liberal and you're at a bar with them and you can just share a drink and be like, so what, I don't get your side. So can you, you want to just talk about your point of view and you could just shoot the shit about. it and just like talk about it instead of like this whole fucking like well you're fucking wrong because of this shit and that shit it's like we're as a society so divided in where that's like in the past now it's like it's all us versus them which i don't want to get i don't want to get like nationalistic but i think i think that having like let's take sports games

sports teams sports games like I clear but let's take that for example right if you're like a Phillies guy like you've got your teams

and then that you're annoyed with the Ohio guys or whatever the fucking beef is with the different teams um you know I get that energy I get it it's fun you're like

supporting your state your team you're not like you don't need to get aggressive against someone else but you meet some fillies guys at the bar and they're your team guys you're immediately going to be able to hit it off you got the same shirt on you're in there right and it's not about in and out crowd stuff but it's like that's what happens and there's a way to do it well but i think that like you were saying you've got the left and the right arguing amongst each other but at the end of the day they can both stop and be like, well, but we love America. It's dope. We live here. This place is awesome. You know, we, we have our things that we're combating over. Right now, it feels like the left

all want to move to Europe or Canada and be like, yeah, it's going to be great over there. Fuck the right. There, nightmare. And then the right is just like, I don't even know what's going on. It's like, hey, you guys are all Americans. It's okay to be like, let's be pro. America, and I will say low-key, figure out who's running the country, and is it America? Just throwing that other. Well, there's a great, you know, there's that phrase that's saying divide and conquer, you know. Yeah. And it seems like it's at play now.

I think, yes, we have Trump. We have, you know, the, the. the cabinet everything else congress but i i do feel like there are bigger powers at play when it comes to this country and unfortunately like the victim to it is just society like we're fighting well they're thriving and they're the ones causing these problems they're the ones who don't give a shit it's just and we get and this could lead us into a whole conversation about these tech billionaires and you know we had we last episode we had the whole Peter Thiel conversation and Palantir and all that and Israel's effect

on on Trump and the country it's it's it's really really complex and this and we need to just like not even over the country or our Americans that definitely helps but just as people like it's like we're fucking it's we're not different species your political leanings don't mean shit like the having two parties was one of the worst things we could have done i really do think so like like like our founding fathers were even like um i forget who it was exactly but it was like hey this two party system it's it's it's gonna fucking be the downfall in the future and i think we're kind of seeing that because we're not we're not handling this as one side where it's such this us first them mentality and it's dangerous and his death is being

I do feel like if there were even just three parties that, yeah, we can still all argue amongst each other. Yeah. But then one leans with one and then goes back and forth. And then that's kind of like the way. I mean, that's how the parliamentary system works. It's like you can grab seats from other parties and then at least have the majority in some strange way and then kind of push back on government stuff. It's like, I don't think anyone in England is forgetting their English, right? It's like, we're, I'm not saying that they're more nationalistic than the Americans.

I think Americans are like really good at being nationalistic. You see flags, you see people real proud of being American, but there's also like this step away from it. And they're just like, well, you know, blaming your own country for everything that's happened. I mean, I'm not saying don't take responsibility for. fucked up shit that you do. You should. You should do that in your own life. Also, I, you know, just show some respect to where you live because I'm sure there's a lot of stuff that you enjoy. That's why you're here. Or fucking move to Canada. You can. You're allowed to. Yeah, just shut up and move. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, but there's also the story, you know, that is like,

if you don't like something stay and make some changes is well that's reasonable you can say to yourself you know what i don't like how it's going i'm going to stay here to make a difference but then god i hope you make a difference i think both options are really fair like either leaving or staying and making a difference i really do i think my issue and what i was saying earlier is just like like before charlie kirk's body even went cold both sides were using it for political reasons pushing certain agendas the left and right unfortunately and it's like like no one like of course a lot of people were able to just sit there and be like holy shit you know but it's like even joe says it when he finds out then he predicted this oh people are

going to be celebrating this stuff yeah and look at and yeah he couldn't have been any more right with that unfortunately i know it's like it's crazy you know it's we're seeing we're seeing terrible fucking things on both sides with this and just the fact that people are celebrating it is just I almost feel like Rogan's not going to do any more political podcast at all because that's that's a way to get whacked I think we're seeing a major shift in Joe's podcast and it's been happening ever so slightly and we've been talking about it where it's like he's having more tech guys on and now you know especially with the Tim Dillon episode, he's, he's kind of having that realization. And Tim's kind of like, you know, walking them to that realization of, hey, I think some

of these guys are using your platform, you know, for you to humanize them to the public. And for, you know, to not criticize them. And I think we're starting to see. And this is, I think, a major breakthrough, especially this event in like a new era of this podcast. and I'm excited to see what comes out of it. Yeah, me too. Me too.

Well, look, I got to wrap this up. I got to go to Portugal tomorrow and do a thousand other things before I leave. But, you know, God bless Charlie Sheen. I'm glad that he's cleaned up and doing what he's doing. It's kind of unfortunate that Charlie Cook thing happened during this episode, and we focused on that for a long time. But that's how these shows go. I mean, we're reviewing it.

We're just talking about the bits that stood out. You know, I'm not going to sit there for 10 minutes talking about two and a half men when the Charlie Cook thing happened, right? I'm going to talk about what makes sense to me. But anyway, I think before we wrap this up, I think we forgot to do this last time. We should rate the episode out of 10 since we are the review, you know? And I just want to say it's like a closing thought real quick. do really appreciate how you know charlie was i think a little nervous in the beginning and joe is just like really like great at like making it feel relaxed he was like i kept forgetting words he's like

it's all right man it's you know doesn't matter and it just was like a great conversation a great vibe i really like the conversation it felt natural a lot of interesting subjects the whole reaction to the death makes this one of the most historic episodes of this podcast for sure I think I'm going to give this a 8 out of 10 Oh damn nice I was going to say 6.5 but I like that I like that you're doing it yeah it was good I enjoyed it I mean look dude just having Charlie She and I'm as cool so

But all right guys thank you so much for listening We appreciate your Brandon as always pleasure And we will talk to you guys next time