Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 471 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Duncan Trussell

Episode Date: October 17, 2025

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What's up, Sean? How's it going? Thanks for inviting me. Yep. It's going to get, buddy. And we are reviewing Duncan Trussell, a fan favorite. I love Duncan. He's the best.

The episodes with Joe with Duncan are always legendary. And I feel like they talk about, like, kind of the most pressing stuff relevant at the moment. Always. And in the best way, too. And the outfits are hilarious. Yeah, what are they priests this time? They're priests, yeah. They used to be furries, also AI robots, also, like, astronauts.

And I like the one where Duncan dressed up in a gilly suit. I can't remember which one that one was. But that was a couple years ago. Those were good. They were medieval doctors once, like plague-era doctors. I like that. And I feel like Duncan's a regular guest, but he's, they break it up enough that it's like once every like a couple years or something like that. And so it's like, I'm sure that they talk outside of the podcast a bunch and catch up.

But at least for listeners, it feels like they're kind of catching up on what's going on in the world. For sure. For sure. I want to start with a little clip from that episode and, yeah, we'll delve right into it. Why don't they release that fucking list, huh? I don't mean to divert this to the Epstein list. I just meant to ask you, isn't it weird? It's a little odd.

What's going on? What's, I keep thinking what could be in that list? What's in there? What bit of information is in there? Well, here's the thing, like the list is. Exactly. What is in there? I mean, you certainly, they'll straight into the defense on this.

I mean, that was quite funny. I, yeah, I think we all kind of, a lot of people know what's in the list. Like, but I think, yeah, it's, it's people in the government. It's people that, a lot of celebrities, it's, you know, foreign government, people. And I think a lot of it, like, I kind of, I don't know all the facts, but it seems a lot like he was some sort of agent for Israel, like, part of the Mossad. Because, like, this guy kind of came out of nowhere. A lot of people have said that, like, his connections to, like, the business world are, like, bullshit and like he he just like popped up and all of these people know him and all this stuff but

yeah the massive pushback against releasing the list is absolutely the most infuriating thing as a as a citizen like did you did you watch the interview with the fbi i patel the latest one in congress it was a couple weeks ago yeah i saw some of them yeah just insane it's like this dude before he gets uh before trump's elected he's like they need to release the list they need to release And then he is literally in the position to release the list. And he's like, I'm releasing as much as I'm allowed to and like all this stuff and just total bullshit. It just shows that there's like other, to me, it shows that other people run things.

Yeah. All of this is just like, they're just characters, actors put into place to do kind of some stuff. But they're just the people that are there. And they ultimately there's a bigger game at play, you know. And people don't want to believe it. They want to be like, oh, that's conspiracy. I'm like, do you really think the president runs everything?

Honestly. The guy that just comes in for four years. Because if he did or her, then he could destabilize the whole country, right? Yeah. They're not going to let that happen. They've got a massive machine running, and they don't need anything getting in the way of that. And it's just going to keep on ticking. And that's why...

Also, the Epstein thing seems like the most genius blackmail plan of all time. Oh, it makes total sense. think what Duncan was saying is spot on that some of these massive donors are wrapped up in that they're the people you would want to wrap up and it's like hey don't release that list I will cut all of your funding forever yeah and what you know if you're in that position that's a pretty tough one to you know because you could just ignore it and life goes on you know your your normal life in Congress or wherever just life goes on but yeah it is crazy that all of those Republicans voted against it and all of the other Democrats voted to release it and then it's like wait a second

how can any of those Republicans live with themselves you literally are protecting pedophiles there's no other answer there it's the same like how are they justifying that it yeah it's the same thing in the FBI you know and then they try and play it off and all this wordsmith stuff and like the interview uh with fbi is hilarious because there's like a congressperson from somewhere in uh california and he's like asking him good questions like he's like on his shit i you could tell he was probably like a lawyer at some point like he knows how to drill somebody um but then he just starts going after him personally he's like you're a terrible representative what you've done for your state is terrible and it's like that's not helping the conversation

at all like just answer the fucking questions You know, it's just, it's, it's so annoying. But it's a defensive strategy. Yeah. It's like throw the person off, you know? Yeah. It's like when little kids are like, yeah, but you're fat. Yeah, it's like, I don't.

It's like unrelated. I don't care. Like, this guy's policies might suck. He might be one of the worst representatives ever. But he still asks good questions that I care about and I want them answered. Exactly. You know? He's not on trial right now.

You are. Yeah, exactly. Answer the questions. The fact that they don't have to answer them is the joke to me. yeah it's like they just get to sit there and be like yeah i can't talk about that i'm afraid it's like what they're like no we're just going to shut down the government you got to shut it down yeah we got to shut it down well let's start out i mean this episode everyone knows duncan needs no introduction um midnight gospel creator like the guy he's always on one of rogan's oldest

friends, mobs, AI, DNA, Epstein, COVID chaos. That's like the things they went over. Let's start with mob mentality. They got into that and they made some great points. I mean, Rogan did for sure. We were talking before the show about what's going on in California and how people are chasing down the ice people. There's a lot of pushback. People are getting upset you know and you know rogan made an interesting point about like how people just kind of join in like there's people kicking cars that would have never that ordinarily would never do it and it's like it feeds into this like primal energy you know i think what did he say exactly it's like ancient war patterns yeah i thought that was excellent and i think it's very true yeah no it definitely does and

it's heightened. I mean, it's, you know, like when you're a kid, you know, you take some teenager, they're like a normal person, you know, you sit down and talk with them, they're chill. But then you get like three or four of them that are about the same age that are all friends. And like, they're just absolutely nefarious. And like the shit that they'll get themselves into are crazy. And like, that's not to say that those kids are violent, but it's just like, yeah, people get together and emotions get intertwined and things get heated and like it just compounds and Compact. Oh, yeah. And then you have that with hundreds of people that are, like, fired up about something. You know, it's insane. Yeah. It can be crazy. I mean, with... And then there's a lot of people that take advantage of that, you know, like, there's a lot of people that take advantage of the riots and then, like, go out looting and all this shit. It's like, they just kind of detract from what people are protesting against. Right. They love the chaos. And, you know, there are violent protesters, of course, but... But we've also seen those agent provocateurs. that they are documented.

They show up to peaceful protest. They destabilize them. They cause trouble. They make it violent so the police can take action and then fuck up the whole thing. And that's like, that's a process. That's a whole angle. Or like straight up just fund the other side,

like fund the resistance. You know, that happens all the time. It's wild stuff, man. Yeah. I do want to say something, though. Did you notice Duncan was wearing a Palantir hat? Was he really? Yeah, the whole interview he's wearing a Palantir hat, which I'm hoping it's just a joke.

Like, I'm hoping that it's just a joke. But he did mention it one time because they briefly mentioned Peter Thiel, just said his name. And then he's like, yeah, shout out Palantir, my hat. But I was, I hope it's a joke. I hope it's a joke. Well, here's the thing. So Elephant Graveyard, I don't know if you know who that is, but it's like, comedy documentary style he does like these little shorts these videos that are like well edited

well put together he knows a lot about like the rogan sphere space he did a breakdown of a bunch of comedy specials including rogans and he just kind of shits on everybody right and within the rogan sphere thing he shit on duncan quite hard and it really affected duncan he was basically saying he's a sellout he's lost He's just, like, bought in with the billionaires, and Peter Thiel was the main example because he was, like, very defensive about him. Well, I heard also that he went to, like, one of his conventions about the Antichrist. Oh, yeah, the lectures. Yeah, he went to one of those lectures, which, like, again, maybe he's just, like, playing into it and being, you know, curious and whatever.

And I think, honestly, if anything, I hope to think that it's just an ironic thing to wear a Palantir hat during this entire conversation. I think he's fucking around. Yeah. I think he's pushing back at the elephant graveyard without mentioning elephant graveyard. Because, dude, they didn't bring up elephant graveyard for a reason. They don't want to give it more press than it needs. But it's, that video's had like 3 million views. It's a big video.

I haven't seen that one. And Duncan made a reaction video to it, like trying to defend himself and push back. And it was clunky. and odd and it just They usually are, yeah. Those YouTube Apology videos. Yeah. Well, it wasn't the apology. It was like defending this, I don't know.

It just didn't make a lot of sense. But listen, at the end of the day, I don't think Duncan's lost. I think he's great. I think he's the same great guy. And, you know, it's easy to demonize these billionaires and then you hang out with them and then you're a bad guy because you like don't think their pieces of shit.

It's like, hold on. People can also be billionaires and not necessarily be pieces of shit. I don't know for sure. I haven't hung out with any billionaires, but I've got a feeling that is reasonable to assume. I do think Peter Thiel is a piece of shit. He said some weird shit.

I think he's totally, like, of all the people to possibly be a lizard, he is up there. He's lizardy. He's definitely up there. Like, that interview where he's like, you would like to see the human race indoor, and he's like, well,

and it takes him like, minute to answer the question. It's like, bro, are you a human? Like, what the fuck? That was a bad look. And then, like, just what Palantir is doing is just completely opposite from anyone who is not a fan of war and a fan of peace and helping people in prosperity. Like, Palantir is doing the opposite of that right now. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And they're making billions. Not good. Yeah. Not good. But I think Duncan Trusel is a good dude. And I think that wearing the hat, if anything, was just ironic. I think so.

And honestly, though, like maybe, you know, if criticizing these groups is going to become a serious problem and people have to watch out, you know, maybe it's not a bad idea to be like, you know, yeah, I love Palantir. They're great. They're great people. I don't want them to harm me in any way, you know. Once the social credit school thing is in place and builds power, it will, it will just be something you have to succumb to in the same way as a regular credit school. Yeah. Like, if you want to be one of those people that are like, I don't like that system and their credit score system and it's too invasive and all the rest of it. Well, fine.

Never take out a loan ever. You can't have loans. Good luck. Build your own house then. Learn how to build a house. Yeah. Because you're going to have a credit score. Yeah.

But it'll be socially connected to you. But then the social one is like, unless you just want to go live in the woods, then you got to, you're going to have to play whatever game is. about to be done. And it will eventually be the same as the one that's in China and all the other places. All we can do is just push back, keep pushing back, slow it down, but good luck stopping that. Because the powers to be know how much super useful control they're going to gain over everybody once they have it. And why would they not go that direction? Yeah. And I think that... Freedom is hard work for them to give us. And I think on the U.S., You know, I think an easy way that you could see getting to that level of power would be, you know, you just continue this divide amongst the country.

And then it just gets violent and violent and violent. And then they're like, oh, we got to step in. We need this security. We need to make sure everyone's safe to stop all this violence that we actually encouraged. You know, we wanted everyone to be divisive and violent. But, you know, we're going to step in and put an end to that. And then, yeah, it's just control from there. Yeah.

what did you think of the interview they talked about Tucker and Sam Altman? Yeah, that's a weird one. I, again, Sam Altman, I don't really like. But yeah, it's hilarious. You know, you watch the whole thing, and towards the end, Sam's like getting really defensive.

And he's like, you know, this is this is not something that I'm comfortable talking about, you know, just out of respect for the families. And Tucker's like, I'm coming here on behalf of the families to ask these questions. So, yeah, he like, directly said that. Tucker doesn't fuck around

there. No, no. Wow. Yeah, it's pretty crazy, but yeah, Sam just completely backpedals, and then they go on and talk about Elon Musk, but the clip is crazy, and yeah, Tucker, like, is like, yeah, there's blood in multiple

rooms, there was signs of a struggle. He ordered takeout, like, he just got back from hanging out with his friends. Like, how is that a suicide? So what did he do he called out chat GPT data theft yeah he was he was talking about how uh they were stealing from artists and things like that okay yeah I mean doesn't look good for open AI no and the

Sam did say you accusing me like yeah feels like you're accusing me and then Tucker Tucker's like I'm just saying that the family is accusing you you know or he didn't say it like that but that's essentially he's like I'm representing the family and the family thinks that it was a murder he did say it just seems very suspicious to me it doesn't seem like a suicide yeah and you know Tucker's a good interviewer but uh yeah it was good to see and then you know you watch sam and most of his response he's not looking at Tucker he's looking at the ground and like you know you can just tell that he he you kind of struck a nerve with him yeah Yeah, well, but saying that also, I mean, you know, I mean, I think these super smart billionaires are, you know, a percentage autistic.

So that might also just be a part of their process for thinking and communicating. It's also an uncomfortable thing to be asked about publicly. Oh, that would suck, dude. Yeah. I mean, listen, imagine if he has nothing to do with this. He did mean the best, even if it was super annoying to him that this individual was doing that. But this person was his friend. And now you're being accused of that.

Like, there's a lot of pressure on these billionaires for sure. They're under the microscope. They're constantly being accused of everything. You know, I'm sure everyone's trying to get at their money and sue them for all sorts of things. I doubt there's a billionaire out there that isn't constantly being sued by someone for some reason. Yeah. I'm sure that's just their existence. You know, that's the thing.

They got a lot of money. But talking about Tucker, I mean, you know, he's free from Foxxie. news. Obviously, they fired him, but he's bigger than ever, probably making more money than ever through podcasts and sponsorships and all the rest of it, endorsements. What does his security look like? Yeah, that's a good question. They kind of talked about that on the show. I mean, yeah, you have to think like that. Same thing with like Candice Owens after the whole Charlie Kirk thing. Like, she, yeah, she's like, nah, I'm not leaving the fucking house. Are you kidding me? Hell no. Yeah, you got to wonder. Yeah. I mean,

no yeah have any of these guys gone on and done speaking engagements or anything outside i don't know i don't know i mean there's still people out there like debating things and you know on college campuses doing that kind of stuff but they're not as popular um but yeah i mean i i think yeah people are we've just kind of realized that like we've just gotten to this crazy point of fucked up where people are getting publicly executed publicly assassinated for the opinions that that they hold and whether you agree with those opinions or not you know that's just not cool to kill people for having an opinion it's not cool dude yeah that is not cool at like we don't yeah because otherwise you don't have free speech you know well it's definitely going to scare people from saying things

i mean you don't have to kill too many people saying a certain thing before everyone's going to be like you know what i'm actually not that tied to this opinion yeah you know that's not the hill i'm going to die on. I mean, that's the ultimate propaganda, right? Assassination? Yeah. Wowza. What did you take of this whole Dolan's DNA theory thing? It's the first I've heard about it. The human engineering, not evolved. Remember they were talking about that? I think so. It was like a bunch of junk DNA, viral fossils, 8% of the genome is like really weird. Oh, like the creative creativity gene that they were talking? yeah something like that and it's like the pyramids hint to like ancient meddling you know whether

it's aliens time travelers something like this yeah or it's all fun to play with but yeah well i mean um i don't know i think i like the uh stone dap theory i know that that's kind of a weird kind of a tangent but you know that kind of suggests that there was a huge jump in our advancements at least you know psychologically i don't think that's a I think that's exactly along the same lines, and that's just as, just as, it's more reasonable than what Dolan's saying, and it is exactly that, some change. Yeah. But the real question there is, can psychedelics, even if it is giving you this other way of thinking,

can it change evolution? Like, can it cause some sort of rapid evolution? I mean, you would think that that could be. be tested in a laboratory, right? We take like fruit flies or something that, you know, has life cycles very quickly. And then we just dose a whole bunch of them. And then we see what happens. Like, are their brains changing shape? Or are they just high on mushrooms the whole time? And then they die. Yeah. I don't know if anyone's done that. But do it. Yeah, I don't know. they also talked about um they also talked about how like a they were talking about how

AI we were the theory of that like we were just kind of created to make this super intelligent thing like it was kind of in our destiny to make the super intelligent thing and then it like opens a portal and all that stuff I'm not sure I mean I could see that but I'm not quite sure I believe that one but Well, AI is a weird one, and I think it is taking us to like the singularity to the point of like, I mean, once you get a super intelligent AI connected to a quantum computer that's like running at full speed, it can just calculate everything ever thought of instantly. It's a god then. And then what happens? Do we just wipe ourselves out?

I guess it would just depend on what the AI's motivation is. Like, what are we programming it to do, you know? And that's what worries me about the AI thing is not the concept of AI in itself as a, as an entity, but just the way that we're creating it, the companies that are creating it, the ways we're going about that. Like, we're just using it for weapons. We're using it to make money. And it's made by these people who are not trying to preserve the better, you know, not trying to preserve. our humanity. They're trying to just make money or, you know, invade countries. Like,

again, going back to the whole Palantir thing, like, you know, you have these companies like Palantir who are like bragging about how they're using AI overseas for weapons, like weapons, and they're creating all these drones and stuff. And we're just going to have AI fight our wars from now on. And so we're not even going to use real soldiers. And it's like, all right, cool. Yeah, we're just going to live in a world where, you know, one side has their own AI weapons and we have our own AI weapons and you know cool we're not using soldiers anymore but we're still just automatic things are just killing each other for for what reason for what purpose you know like that's that's what I disagree with I think that that's not helpful to society to use AI in that

way sure but they're gonna they're going to it's inevitable you know they already have so they have a new fighter jet I don't I can't remember which one it is but it's basically accompanied by like three drones so if It flies in a formation with three drones that support it battle-wise. And they can block shots and who knows what else they can do. But eventually even that fighter jet would just be AI. Because they've already done tests with planes using AI. And the AI in the current planes that we have beat all the fighter pilots.

Like instantly 100% of the time. So we take them out. We could actually make the planes move faster because now G4 isn't an issue. Yeah. Pilots won't pass out. And then what?

They're just fighting other AI drones exactly like you're saying. So what? We just wait, step back. We just watch them all blow each other up. Waste all our money on building fucking robots

that are going to destroy other robots. And then eventually our robots get so close to their humans that they go, okay, we're really sorry. And we're like, all right, don't do it again. Yeah. We come back.

back home yeah now that that scares me the most you know i think i'd like to imagine a world where you have this like a i entity that is good and actually is programmed to help humanity and not some evil nefarious way like thanos where he's like we got to kill half the people to preserve life or like some crazy shit like that but just like help us genuinely try and come up with solutions to fix our lives and like solve problems that are actually going to help people not fucking kill people you know yeah that's too much to ask yeah but the slippery slope to it is like there's you know they say it's like with technology the two things that they focus on first with any new technology or the driving force even behind it is war it was always like the reason we got

to the moon in 69 allegedly is that um all the rockets that the germans were making during World War II. And there were also massive advancements in medicine because of horrible experiments that they were doing as well, which is fucked up. So there's like, there's these leaps ahead that lead to these

cool things like better medicine and we're on the moon and we got satellites and all the rest of it, but at what cost, you know? Then also they're like, they apply all the top, like the top technology, you know? Let's look at the internet, for example. What

percentage of the internet is used for all the wonderful things the internet could be useful right reading and getting information and no it's like 40% Netflix it's like mean 60 per 55% porn yeah 5% actually looking shit up yeah the rest of it is chat GPT yeah yeah now and then yeah I mean you know speaking of AI and the internet have you ever heard the uh the death of the internet theory no it's So it's basically, you know, you get to the point where AI becomes so good and so indistinguishable from real videos that people who use the internet can't tell the difference between a real video and an AI, like, deep fake. And then so there's just no trust in anything on the internet. And that's just basically AI just takes over the whole internet.

Yeah, you just believe nothing. Yeah, you just can't, you just can't trust it anymore because there's so much fabricated shit that looks like. It's getting close. Looks like it's real. Yeah. Some of those videos are so good. Some of them are hilarious. Wait a minute.

You got to watch like a few times. And then somebody falls through the floor and you're like, okay, that's fine. Have you seen, I saw Jake Paul got, he had online and was really upset because people are making like deep fakes of him and like gay pry parades. I'm like doing all this crazy. It's so funny. Well, he did a real video response where he's talking, but he's like putting on makeup. And he's like, it's clearly me doing things I would never do.

and I think it's outrageous and I hope it stops but it was really and I'm like that's a legit response I like that because you can't be too but hurt

but you got to address it and yeah you know these influences know how to get fucking attention I'll tell you good work

yeah talking about AI actually the what is it called the optimus that robot that Tesla's making they have it now

where it can like run all the tasks in the house really yeah Like, I don't know if it can unload the dishwasher and, like, do the plates and things, but it can, like, pick up all the toys and your laptop and shit just hanging around. How much is it? I think they're supposedly going to be, like, no, they're, like, 25 to 30 grand. Wow.

Like, as much as, like, a cheaper new car. Yeah. I guess, is that a cheap car? Mid-range car? For a new car, yeah. I mean, 25 grand, yeah, that'll get you a car for sure. Yeah, so it's about that. Maybe not a, I mean, that's like a pretty inexpensive new car, but like a good used car.

You can get a banging used car for 25K. But my thing is, like, if, you know, let's say there are uses for that. Like, let's say you own a farm and you're like, right, you know, fricking mow the lawn and go pick these vegetables and then get the eggs in and then do these different things. And you would have paid someone for the year to do all these little tasks pretty quickly it could start to pay for itself, especially. if you can get a payment plan on it, which I'm sure you can. Oh, of course. Because now you're breaking it down into whatever. It's like, how much is a full-time made?

I don't know. And also, it would take updates like Elon does with the Tesla cars. So it's always going to improve. You wait until they put in like it can now cook food update. And you're just like, you're at home and you're like, right, I want steak and eggs and I want this and I want these things. Shit, I forgot to download the Italian cuisine update. There we go. You just get home and you've got a sandwich.

And it's like really quickly, dude, that could start paying for itself. And I think a lot of people are going to want these things. It won't be long. I mean, you can send it to the grocery store. I live in walking distance to a nice grocery store. It could just walk over there and get some stuff, have some cash, bring it back. Yeah. I mean, I'm not saying I'm so lazy.

I can't go to the grocery store. we can focus on other things. That's the point of technology. It allows us to outsource a lot. Yeah. It will make some people lazy. It does. Yeah.

I mean, you know, with AI, you know, you always wonder, like, where are those people that do those jobs going to go, you know? But I think, like, if we can create, yeah, if we can create other options for people that are not, like, massively, you know, like, I was reading about, like Walmart and all this stuff and like all these big corporations they brag about how many jobs they've created and all this stuff and it's like you also displaced a lot of businesses that do

what Walmart now does and so all those people just moved to Walmart it's like you didn't create jobs you just moved them you just move them around and so you know I'm not really sure how that relates to AI but that is an important conversation is like you know you can't just implement this immediately and then kick all these people to the curb like how are they going to provide for themselves now you know things like delivery drivers stuff like that like but is the economy responsible for keeping people in work that don't have a skill anymore that's necessary and i don't mean to say that in a derogatory way i'm just saying imagine if you were um a copy writer, right? You literally wrote copies of pieces of paper, you know, and then they make

the, then they make the printing press. Yeah. No, it is, it's definitely inevitable. And like, there's always examples of that, you know, like when the internet came around, there was so many jobs that were displaced. And they got new jobs, you know, like, it does happen, but it also is a conversation that people need to, you know, talk about. Sure. Yeah. I mean, because otherwise, mass unemployment would be ugly. Yeah. It would be really. It would be really. really, really ugly. Just people just can't do anything. More homelessness, you know, all this stuff. Yeah.

Which we are seeing a lot more of. All right, let's end with COVID fallout. Well, the lockdowns, Vax mandates. It kind of fractured the psyche of a lot of people. Yeah. And, you know, we've talked about this, you know, nauseam forever. But I think it has. I think that, you know, when it was happening early on and, you know,

many of my friends were like super pro it like we got to do it all wash your hands and wash the boxes and wash the FedEx and wash the postman when he comes to the house spray him down it's like okay but also I think we need to live normal lives because this is going to mess people up especially kids that were in school getting locked away their social development yeah all the small businesses that got destroyed so many dude so many and then it's like okay and then also just paying people to do nothing because there was nothing that they could do and now they just have money to do nothing.

Yeah. I mean, as soon as you get that, it's like they basically made everyone a trust fund baby for like a little bit of time. Yeah. And once you get a taste of that... You got a bunch of money. And I know so many people that were my age

that got, what did they call it? What was the name of the PPE loans? Whatever it was. The money that they were giving out during COVID, I knew so many people that just blew it on stupid shit. like they got like a computer for gaming or like you know like some fucking you know technology that they didn't need or whatever it was like it it it just like you know I mean you think about how consumeristic our society is and then you just give people a bunch of

money it's oh dude are they really like yes it is important to give money to families so that they can feed themselves but also there was a lot of money given out to people that don't didn't fucking need it and just spent it on stupid shit it was chaos man It was chaos. And the worst part is, and they never talk about this, the people that didn't get it, they didn't qualify.

They got stuck in some sort of, you know, um, position where, for whatever reason, they didn't fill out the right form or they weren't on the right thing. And there was literally no one you could get a hold of. And I know that for sure in California,

because I tried getting a whole of people, and it was impossible. Yeah. You could never get through to talk to a human being. And then you find out something like 30 billion, dollars is unaccounted for out of this whole process and it's just like also and this is the one part of COVID that that really grinds my gears it was like the biggest movement of wealth to the yeah exactly rich like the billionaires like their wealth went like three four times

yeah and they started changing a bunch of rules like do you know in uh in 2020 20, the federal reserve changed their reserve requirements. So essentially, you know, whenever you print out $100, you have to hold $10 to like back it up. They changed that in 2020 to now it's 0%. So all the money that they print out, they don't have to hold any of it. They can just print out as much as they want without having to back up any of it. And they just changed that in 2020. Like just super under the carpet. No one knew about it. What? Yeah. No, you can look it up. So what does that mean that is just going to be like, insane inflation, then no one can keep up with. Yeah, it's not backed up at all. Our money is not backed up.

And even then, it was like 10%. It's like, yeah. It is weird that since we went from the gold standard in the 70s, like 71 or whatever, and you look at the rate of like the cost of goods and interest and like how much money people got paid and how much a house was, like people could pay for a house in like a year or something like that with their wages. And then it went from the gold standard to whatever they do now, like the Federal Reserve just not backing up anything. And the graph just goes straight up. Yeah. And now like half the things that you could buy back then, you know, you could have like,

you could have a factory job, your wife could stay at home, raising the kids, and you'd have insurance, so you'd have medical, you'd have a car, maybe two, you'd have a house that you paid for, you'd have all the little pieces, and you'd have food, and you'd have things. And it would be like, yeah, and you weren't considered rich. You would just live in life in America. Normal middle class, yeah. To do that today, what do you need? 200 grand?

Yeah, it's insane. No, and then... I mean, almost no one's has, like, a housewife, like a mother at home just raising the kids. Single income households are so rare nowadays. I mean, you've got to be an absolute boss to be able to create something like that. Yeah. It's hard to do. do it is no and then you know you look at like how much money we've spent on war and all this

stuff like we've spent like 10 trillion dollars in the middle east in the 2000s and like that that doesn't help our fucking inflation like that's not coming from taxpayer money they're just printing that off yeah but it's here's the problem this is why a system like that is so addictive as soon as you create it and everybody even if you know it's bad but you need some money it's like imagine being at home and you're in charge of everything and you've been working hard and you get all the money, you know, you're earning and you're like, okay, I'm doing this and I'm investing and I'm cutting back and I'm slashing costs and I'm working on my budget and now I want to do these things but I can't quite do it. And there's this machine behind you that you can just

push a button and all the money comes out. Yeah. And you don't have to pay the price for the result of that happening. Everyone else in society has to pay that price. Yeah. That's, you're going to push the button. Eventually. That's just human nature and that's just taking advantage of human nature. Yeah. And it's, it's terrible. And there's just been the slow pushes to make things worse and worse and worse. And yeah, now it's insane. Like, you know, I bought, speaking of inflation, I bought two pounds of chicken thighs and a pound of like deli turkey. the other day, it was $23 fucking dollars. Really?

I was like, are you kidding me? I thought chicken thighs were like the cheapest thing you go by. It was like, it was like five bucks a pound, so that was like $10. And then the turkey tie, the turkey breast was also like the deli kind was like, yeah, $13 a pound. I was like, what the fuck is this? That is a lot. Yeah, it's insane. Dude.

But yeah, no, you look at the cost of living versus income and it's just not even close to proportional. They are just on two completely different levels. I mean, and they used to be pretty close. It used to be reasonable. It did. And I mean, Bozeman's like the best example that highlights how impossible the situation is. I mean, you buy a small three bedroom downtown that's like run down and not modern at all million dollars. Yeah.

I don't know if it's quite that high, but it's close. No, it absolutely is. Three bedroom is probably even more than that. You think so? Yeah, I mean, you know, yeah. And it's like how much, what is a mortgage on a million? million dollars at a current interest rate is it six grand a month no one does 15 year mortgages anymore it's all the 30 year ones you know and then you pay all this money and interest and

i think what's going to happen is they're going to start doing what they do in japan with those hundred year mortgages they have those it's literally a mortgage you can never fully pay off but it's like all rolled in when you sell it or when you die it's like then whoever inherits it continues paying that amount and i've seen some prices of houses in Japan and it's pretty reasonable they're pretty good 100 grand pretty good yeah you can get like a bang in house for like 150k yeah you got to kind of live out in the middle of somewhat no way yeah well also like you know moving to japan as an american is incredibly hard like my roommate is has aspirations of doing this he's like super into drawing and he's learning japanese and all this stuff

but it's it's a huge challenge just culturally as well like a lot of japanese people kind of ostracized outsiders So, but I mean, their culture is beautiful and their country's beautiful and they have a lot of things going for them. Real estate being one of them, you know, but even like, you know, here, a house is, you know, call it 500K. You know, back in the day, you could put 20% down on a house as a down payment. But nowadays, like, what, who has a hundred grand lying around just in cash to put down in a house? Yeah. That's incredible. Dude, that's insane.

A million dollar home? One of these three thousand dollars? Yeah. You got $200,000? You got $200 grand lying around? Yeah. My boss is, he's a boomer. He's like 70 or 68.

And I was at, we were talking about this with him. And he was like, yeah, my first house was like 50K. I was like, fuck you, man. Yeah. I'm jealous. Yeah, I think my parents was 32,000. English pounds, but still. They basically, they were like this.

They were unemployed. They were on what we call the doll, which is like welfare. Like they just get some money from the government. but it's like not much, enough to live on. And they gave them what they call council house, which is a lot like Section 8 housing. So it's just the council house areas. And they were people look down on those types of areas

because, you know, they kind of look a bit trashy sometimes. But I grew up in it. I liked it. It was cool. It's all I knew. I knew they were rich of people, but I liked all my friends in my neighborhood, and our house was fine.

And it was like a fairly small, three-bedroom, two-layer, but two levels but it worked we had room you know we were raising we had four to five boys in there at any given time and the parents and um eventually there was this program the way you could pay off the hat it was like some sort of like buy if you've lived in it a while type situation to where you could own it which was a super good deal and I think yeah they sold it back for like 30 and it's like real low interest they bought it with no jobs and owned a house in the early 90s late 80s early 90s this is how they could do that in england now it's like you can't buy a house here make it 150 grand a year yeah unless you're extremely lucky and saved for

years yeah no it's just ridiculous and you know as uh as a younger person i like Like, how the fuck am I supposed to afford a house? You know? Yeah. Move. Just save up. Just save up. It's like, bro, what?

Yeah. You got to hope that you get a bunch of inheritance. You're one of those kids. If you're not on that path, then you've got to move to a place that is just much cheaper to live. What I would recommend to people is young people today, honestly, if you've got freedom, is I would say get a skill

that gives you a good remote working job. Get a list of remote working jobs that are useful that hopefully won't be gobbled up by AI and learn how to do them, work yourself into that place

and then go find the cheapest places to live in the entire world and go there. Because then what you can do is live on... dude, if you could make $30,000 a year working completely remotely and then go live in a village in Thailand, or there's probably even cheaper places to go to.

It's like, yeah, it might not be your primary choice of where you want to be, but you'll figure out the culture, you'll figure out that adventure, and you'll be considered pretty rich. Yeah. And then you can do other projects, other things. Like, I don't see the point of just live in this rat race in the U.S. and struggling, like, unless you're massively driven and have some, you know, huge skill sets, it's... Yeah, it's a shame. I happen to love this country, actually. Me too. It's very beautiful.

But, yeah, no, I mean, I've thought about that, too. I've thought about definitely leaving the country. But it's, yeah, I mean, as someone who grew up here and, you know, I happen to love America, at least what would... what we used to stand for but well but also nothing's forever too yeah you're very young let's say you just did this until you're 30 then you could have an incredible adventure and probably learn some amazing skills to come back with and then do something else i think traveling is a good thing you know especially when you're young go out and experience the world go out and try new things a hundred percent yeah i love it well on that note let's end it thank you as always sean yeah check it our patreon

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