Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 472 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Lionel Richie

Episode Date: October 22, 2025

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Hey, guys, and welcome to another episode of the Joe Rogan Experience Review. This week, I got Pete in the stew. Brandon is in New York doing stand-up and stuff, which is cool. I'm jealous. Yeah. You needed a week off so he could focus on that. And I said, no worries. We got, we got Petey here.

That's just the kind of boss you are. That's it. I'm a good guy. I do my best. I do my best. You know, you got to give people flexibility, though. And you got to give people the opportunity, especially when, like, focus on something else for a minute, you know? It's the same vein.

It's not like this is hard to do, though. All right. Break my back. Yeah. It's not like, it's not like I'm like, oh, yeah, you don't have to come in the coal mine today. But it's still nice to not have to worry about it. I think you probably appreciated that. Anywho, enough about how great I am.

Yes. We are reviewing the Lionel Richie episode. Lionel Richie, the sole legend. All that long. He really needs no introduction. But I'm going to give him one anyway. He deserves it. He's the really, was he like the frontman of the Commodores or just one of the guys?

No, he was one of the guys. One of the guys, the Commodores was a big deal in the 70s. funk soul bangers like Brickhouse and timeless hits like Hello You know Wait was that him or I think that was him solo Oh was? Oh yeah solo was yeah And all night long was him solo as well

You're right Yeah right And yeah sold over 125 million albums Snagged four Grammys And co-wrote the charity anthem We Are the World Which was a big deal

It's a big deal You remember those I guess that was before A tiny even But No that was like the 80s They would like Raising a bunch of money

For stuff How many Co-wrote that Like 100 people 100 100 top Level singers in there Everyone wrote one word

He wrote Ah Well there you go There we go It wouldn't have made sense Otherwise You know what I mean Like we the world

Thank God for him Something's missing Something's not right I've got to nail this down. Something's not right. And, yeah, he's 75 years old, came on, and what a legend. He does look great still. He does.

I mean, of course, he's 75. He's had a lot of work. He's had some work. There's some nipping and some tucking going on. Smoothing. But I do think he had some great stories. He's lived in incredible life. He seems like, you know, quite a sweet guy.

And, you know, this book was, is one of those moments where you get to really kind of, you know, a lot of introspection and kind of going over at all. I'll read it. It's cool stuff. I love bands autobiographies. Biographies in general are pretty cool. A lot of times. I have kicks every now and again where I'll just bang through a bunch of autobiographies of people.

And they're surprisingly interesting. Yeah. The best one was Ozzie's, but this one might be rivaling that. No doubt. No doubt. Was Ozzie's really good? I liked it. I've read it twice.

I am amazed he remembers any of his life He had help He must have He had a ghostwriter He actually can't basically Read anything He's such bad dyslexia Oh true

And I would imagine his handwriting Would be real scribbling Sorry It might I mean I'm just saying God bless him God bless him God RIP

I miss him I was very sad Do you know that Brandon actually had to We couldn't even do a pod that day He was that... He was very upset. I like that about him.

Yep. He's a good man and a huge fan of Ozzy. Black Sabbath was incredible. The best. It took some of my friends down, man. There was a huge... I mean, the amounted text that I got when he was gone. Unreal.

Unreal. What a legend. But, yeah. So, let's start with the Commodals, right? Early Commodal... What do you know of them? Did you like any of their songs? I used to see them on TV, like, you know, those late-night

by the album. of, by this like album it has a hundreds of artists on it kind of thing. Yep. Blips of him. They're always in sync dancing around, which I thought was awesome and singing.

Hard to do. Yep. Yeah. Sharp dressed. Yeah, they were a talented bunch. They showed up and you know, they had a few good songs.

I think they were trying to find their voice in their own way, though. And it really wasn't until Lionel, like, did his solo leap that when it really stood out that, like, he was the player. Right, he was the big talent there. And it makes sense when he was saying that, that, yeah, it was all of a sudden the reason he had to leave the band is because he was just outshining them. You know, he would get to interviews. They didn't even want to talk to anyone else but him. It's pushed the mic right over everybody, right to him.

Right. And that's, it's kind of standard, right? That's the type of thing that happened. You know, you could imagine that happened very much so with Justin Timberlake when he went solo. I was just thinking that. Yeah. I mean, he got so big with those albums. I remember when he came out with those, Justin Timberlake came out with those albums.

I mean, I didn't care at all about in sync. I was just like, oh, boy, man, gross. Right. And, you know, whatever, they had some, you know, boppity, poppity pops. But then when he came out with his, like, he's, like, he was. like real good, I was like, what? This is great. We jammed those for a while.

And it just changed in my mind as a person. I was like, legend, obviously. Like, he just soared. And the rest of them just kind of opened pizza shops that got fat, I think. I don't know. I'd have to Google it. I think someone might have died. I think someone went to space.

Yeah. Yeah. Typical. One lives underground. Typical stuff. Yeah. Just regular, rich boy bands. stuff. I think, oh, in fact, him and his wife live up here.

That's right. And I saw her the other day. Did you really? Jessica Beale, yes. Where did you see her? A local establishment, eatery. What? Yeah, she was just normal. Tossing her trash in the way. With the kids? No, just with her like, handlers, her helpers. Oh. Wait, what eatery? Farmer's daughter. Free shout out. No way. Yeah. That is in

Yeah, they live in town. You know, I mean, if you look at the Yellowstone Club, for example, there's, I mean, Ben Affleck, Matt Damon, there's a bunch of super rich people that have houses up there. But, you know, I think they're just moving now into town because they're like, we like it. Bozum's cool. And they, you know, people are thinking of raising kids and stuff. It's like, what's their alternative? Wherever.

I mean, I know Justin has ties to, I think, Knoxville. Yes. Or Nashville. He's from the southeast. Tennessee or something. He's a... But yeah, he's not going to raise him in L.A. And maybe he doesn't want to raise him in the South.

And there's just... You know, this is a cool, like, out-of-the-way place. So, if you got some money. Big Sky is way out of the way. That's it. That's it. But, yeah, so Lina went solo. Obviously made some massive hits.

Is Hello, the Deaf Girl one? Yes. Blind Girl. There we go. Sorry. Yeah, you don't want to be singing to a Deaf Girl, do you? That's not fair. She's like, what are they doing?

It's just, like, vibrating around her. Nah, not cool. He's, common or dance moves. Mm-hmm. Spinning. And what is the music video? He's, like, he's, like, creepily, like, following her around a school. She's, like, a really cute mixed race gal blind, making her way through college, going

in classes, doing stuff. And he's just, like, peeking around trash cans and stuff. He's through the little window in the door. Yeah. Hello? Is it me you're looking for? That's inappropriate. That is inappropriate.

And why do you need to be peeking? You could literally be stood right next to her. As long as your cologne's not too strong. I'm not breathing too hard. It's not going to know. It was a different time, Pete. I love that song, by the way. It's very good.

It was a different time, and you could do that. If you ever want to just really alienate everybody at a karaoke joint, just put that one on and give it your all. Really? Mm-hmm. Why? Nobody wants to hear that from me. Nobody.

Is it like a hard one to sing? it's no yeah it's got some range that you need yeah yeah yeah so you just ruined it yeah i'll never stop though i like the idea of doing that uh meatloaf song um i would do anything for love oh good one because it's like 12 minutes long total eclipse of the heart you need another person there and it just goes it just goes on and on it's a good one it has like 12 choruses in it excellent jam yes that's also a cool music video so kind of if you're not not having a good time in a karaoke and you want to ruin it for everyone else, just do that in the middle and everyone to leave.

Fun fact. This is probably way off topic, but there's a, in Southeast Asia, or the Philippines, they will shoot you if they don't like what you've been singing. They will shoot you? In fact, my way by Frank Sinatra is the number one song not to sing over there. To get shot, too. You'll get shot. Wow.

The bouncer has shot somebody. Look into that. If anybody's curious. Has, what is the best song that's least likely to get you shot? Chumbabwamba. Oh, hands down, Chumbabwamba. It's got to be.

I'll get knocked down. They're like, yeah, they're just shooting in the air. That's a fun time. Anyway, let's get back to good old line. I love the stories of MJ, Michael Jackson. One of the greatest ever to have graced the stage. Of course. The nickname Smelly.

Excellent. hilarious. Yeah. Made him stronger. I wonder why he got that. Well, because he would wear a lot of the same clothes. Okay. Because every time he sent his clothes off to get washed, because Michael was so famous,

people would steal his underwear in his clothes. Oh, yeah. Because they're probably worth a lot of money, or they just wanted to keep him. Yeah. And, of course, they're like all leather at that point, like leather vests and pants and stuff. I mean, it was probably his regular clothes, too. Oh, I see. I'm sure he didn't wear leather underwear.

That wouldn't be very comfortable. Rock stars. You never know. Diamond-encrusted underwear. You don't know why I'm wearing under here. At age 12. Well, my question there, though, was why not just give it to, like, someone that could just, like, anonymously take it to a dry cleaner?

Then you wouldn't know whose clothes it is. What does the bag say, Michael Jackson's underwear on it? That's what mine says. I mean, sure, it's going from the house, so there's a clue. But I feel like if Michael was like Yeah, they keep stealing my clothes You could quickly come up with a way To not have all your clothes stolen

I guess if you're that famous and wealthy You don't care how you smell Well, that's true The McCona Hay effect That's true And then that cute story about the people That gave him some shoes And they were too big

So Linen was like Just go to my closet Go get some stuff Find some proper shoes over there And he's put all this clothes on the floor Pick some stuff Just left him He's a kid

Little Mikey. He's just a kid, after all. Playing pranks on people. He was so cute back then. Yeah. Putting it, what do you say? Like itching powder? Oh, geez.

People's hair and their wigs, whatever. That would be terrible. Terrible. The worst. The worst. But, yeah, it was cool that he was, you know, kind of like a mentor, you know, to Michael. And, you know, also understood how difficult Michael's life was. I mean, whatever you think.

of Michael Jackson, you know, with all the allegations and scandals and things that happen. I heard the documentary is, like, pretty brutal. You know, if you're a big Michael Jackson fan, it's supposedly recommended not to watch it, you know, in that sense. But it's quite incriminating, I guess. But again, with anything, and documentaries can be spun in any way. That one is certainly spun in that direction. But at the same time, you know, it's undernomerate.

This person's childhood was kind of ripped away from them. And they went through quite an ordeal. Incredibly abusive father. Right. And pushed hard, working all the time, tons of pressure, just didn't have the chance to just go play on the swings, you know? I mean, what does that result in when you got hundreds of millions of dollars? You build a theme park, your own theme park. So you can just get away and be a kid for a day.

and hang out with other kids and, you know, try and regress. And every adult you've ever known wants something from you, no wonder he wanted to get away from them all. Yeah, that documentary was pretty hardcore. But then you look back at people who are alive now, famous kids, that are not quiet about the abuse that they suffered or have seen. Like one of the Corrie's, was it Feldman? He said they were really good friends back then and no weirdness.

McCulley Culkin was friends with him and he said no weirdness. Yeah. There was a cleaning lady who testified against Michael and then she came out as saying she was paid $30,000 to do so. Which sucks. Which is and she said he was she didn't see that stuff. She lied. Outrageous. Who to believe? Yeah.

But he's found not guilty. But imagine you know imagine the scenario that he was innocent, right? And this is just a scenario. I'm not trying to say he was or whatever. I don't know. But imagine he was. And he did love kids as much as he always said that he did. And it kind of looked like he did originally on the outside with theme parks and always hanging out with them and doing a lot with kids. And yeah, yeah.

And now you're known as the child molester. It's like, and you've got to live with that. You can't clean that off. You can't wash that off. No. And, you know, we find out he died because he literally has a doctor that works for him full time. He was an anesthesiologist that has to put him under anesthesia every night to go to sleep because he's so tormented he can't even sleep.

Incredible. Like the guy who was just tortured. Tortured is a good word. In his own mind, right? Yeah, by society. Mm-hmm. By the record execs. Right.

He was about to own all his music, I think, when he died. Really? Something like that happened. Brutal. Oh, didn't they also touch on... Same thing happened to, what's his name, Jimmy Hendricks. Oh, yeah, they did talk about Jimmy. Yeah.

Interesting stuff. He might have been killed. Yeah. Well, they, I think they found him dead. They blamed him on, like, not an acid overdose, but, like, he basically choked on his own vomit. Mm-hmm. And he supposedly was, like, real high on acid, right? You know, and maybe there was alcohol involved, that type of thing.

but that to me always seemed it's just like I don't know just that alone seems suspicious sure people die that way I think it's probably more likely if it's heroin for people to die like that you know pills and heroin would make you fall asleep like acid doesn't perks you up from what I understand right yeah and be drinking it's like yeah you can pass out and probably but I mean people pass out a lot I mean, I was in college. I knew a lot of people were just passing out from booze and it was never really

too huge of a concern. Maybe there was occasionally those like blackout kids you might want to roll to the side if they've been thrown up a lot. If they were on pills, for sure. I remember that was a big cause of death in my high school.

At least a couple of kids did die that way. Oh, they did? From drinking and pills. And was throwing up and dying? Okay. Perkissettes or oxy cottons or something. Yeah, so maybe it was some of that. But it, you know, it is suspicious that it was in line with rights to records and these sorts of things.

And they, you know, a lot of like gangster shady stuff going on back then. It's all ran by the box. And who knows what they're up to. When money's involved, when millions of dollars is involved in things, people will do horrible shit, dude. Loyalty goes right out of the window. I mean, you don't become an agent at all. like a like a talent agent at all because your life is filled with loyalty no that is not like if you're you know you have those friends and you're like he's just so loyal he's such a good

person he's so loyal those friends don't become agents and if they did they're not good they're not good of that job they'll quickly flunk out of it there's yeah they're definitely something else so yeah I did I don't really know but um yeah that's that was a that was a a sad one for sure. Strange 27 Club. I know. Who else was in that? Janice Joplin. Morrison. Jim Morrison.

Cochobane. Yeah. And all these people potentially are worth more to their record labels dead than alive. That's true. Well, certainly to Courtney Cox. She made a lot of money.

She might have been, she might have did it. She's worth, like, hundreds of millions. Have you ever seen any of the documentaries that talk about her, like, basically being responsible for, um... Can't recall them. Killing, like, indirectly or whatever? Pretty damning. Pretty gross and pretty damning. I think even, like, her dad thinks so.

Yeah. Like, some of it's ugly. Yeah, there's... She was not a nice woman. No. Didn't she go on to, like, form a band, like, called Garmin? garbage or something? I think she was already in one.

Okay. Yeah. Fitting name. She'd like get naked on stage and do all sorts of gross stuff, supposedly. I mean, look, I don't want to show her too hard, but... But yeah, I miss Kirk. You know, it's sad. All the greats.

He's a good man. He's a good man. But, you know, the life of a rock stars, it's not all... Like, you think, you know, you get to pick what you want to be when you come back, right? imagine if it was like blank slate you'll just get to exist you're just born into the universe and they go what do you want to be and you're like oh uh football player formula one driver the president um a dictator somewhere um maybe um just the most famous influencer or an actor maybe or a singer or a rock star even it's like i it kind of

it doesn't matter what you pick. Everything's going to come with challenges, and I think you'd be surprised at how many challenges, regardless of what you pick. Elvis didn't seem like he was having a great time towards the end. Yeah, well, that movie that they made about him certainly displayed that it was a lot of kind of sadness and pain for him.

Trimoyal. Yeah, just, you know, those scenes where he just wanted to be like a good dad, and he was, like, separated from, his kid and the wife and you know it's difficult it's painful different time he did marry he did court a 14 year old yeah not not a great move is that legal then was that down southeast potentially was it well was that like alabana he's from memphis right Memphis that's right so Tennessee could you do that then we're gonna have to Google it let's Google it give it a

Goog. Let's Google it and have a look. What about medication for kids? That was kind of a big topic for them. Medication, ADHD, medication for kids. I'd say that's a touchy subject. But what do they come into a consensus on? Did they meet in the middle somewhere?

No, it's bad. You know, it's a big pill. It's like kids. Well, it's kind of basically. And basically, Lionel's whole thing was, you know, if there's a very creative kid like he was, sat in a classroom being taught to be a factory worker, which is like the Prussian system of education that we have, it's like go to school at nine and listen to the bells and wait till three and sit at your desk and here's your homework and blah, blah, blah. Yeah, I think that was a Rothschild thing or a Rockefeller thing. Yeah, who knows. I'm not really sure.

But it's like to train you to be like a factory worker. Project clock, right? Exactly. And if you're a very like creative person, you're going to have a hard time. You're not going to want to sit still. You're going to be all over the place. That was you and I. And that's how you kind of diagnose partially ADHD stuff sometimes.

And then it's like, yeah, medicate them. Keep them still. So they're, you know, slightly methed up. And I'm not saying it's all bad. It's good for some kids. Some kids are bouncing off the walls. Some kids are really struggling to sit still And realistically

Lots of kids need to go to public school Because their parents work and they have no alternative So it's like I don't want them getting kicked out of school And I need them to finish And I need them to graduate And they need to learn some things And I hope they go to college So maybe this is the answer

However, you know If we're thinking in the big scheme things It would be far better to just separate the school and classes by the personalities of the kids. They can all still hang out at recess, but it's like, okay, we got some creatives here, we got some real thinkers here,

we got some introverts here. They can still occasionally mix in different classes that kind of don't require, like if you got a drama class, for example, you can have a mix of whatever. Exactly. Sports, whatever. Automotive class?

You know, public speaking or debate. class you can have a mix you know but if it's like math or science or you know English history it's just like maybe there's different ways it could be taught the different kids instead of going and hating your life at school failing over and over exactly like a bit more interactive maybe for like very energized kids that need him like move around then you could teach the math in that subject like say Carpentry or something like that's this math will apply this is how you apply it.

Some sort of applicable approach. And, you know, ultimately, somebody that's going to be very much a creative, just realize they're not going to, they don't need to get to calculus ever. They're not going to use it, teach in basic arithmetic, and stop it there. If you can add up and subtract, and almost no one's even doing that. Have you seen most people trying to figure out a tip at a restaurant? I watched one happened the other day. It's amazing.

I'm like, I just looked. sometimes. And I'm not trying to, like, belittle people that are not great of math. But realistically, all you do is double the first number, mostly, right? If it's $43, double the first number. It's $8.8. It's close to $20. If you want to be really accurate, you can kind of round it and add a bit. Move the decimal one, and that's 10%. Times it times that by two, that's 20%. But even saying all that to somebody that doesn't get it, is more, it's like a bunch of instructions. Right. Just saying double that first number and make it single digit dollars. I wish there was text classes in school. But it's pretty simple math.

And then still you see people all the time not getting it for whatever reason, you know. And it's like that's kind of the only math we're ever really doing. We're not adding anything up. Everything's added up for us. So teach them some other things that are useful. Yeah, like medical stuff. Or just whatever they're interested. Sharpening sticks with knives.

Right. Well, if they're into it, if they're into it, I think it's better, you know, and then, you know, it's just, it was just getting too easy for too long and it probably still is to give people these medications. And they are finding now that kids on this long, kids on this long term are actually shorter than their compatriots, two to three inches shorter than the other people. people that don't take these medications. Oh, it affects their height? It affects their growth, yes. Ooh, interesting. Because it does something molecularly to your cells.

Oh, it does? Yeah, it speeds up your metabolism on a cellular level and affects us. That makes sense. Yeah? That does make sense. I'm not a huge fan of it, I have to say. Do the research, though? Don't listen to a couple chuckleheads.

Yeah, yeah, that's true. I mean, you know, talk to your doctor and all the rest of it. But ideally, just find other ways to creatively interact with your child. I mean, I think it's a gift for most kids, potentially. It just means that they are expressing themselves in a different way. They learn in a different way. And they have maybe very animated and energized about what they're doing. And they probably need a ton of stimulus.

So figure it out. You know? It's like, look, you can get a bunch of dogs as pets. some need to be walked a lot and some don't some have infinite energy and you better have a big field next to your house to let them run in and that's what you do if you keep them locked up in your house they're going to go nuts to tell your couch up oh yeah and it doesn't mean they're bad dogs what are you going to sedate them not cool not cool not cool yeah yeah moving on lionel talks a lot about his songwriting process you know and um you know he was around

all these great songwriters and he couldn't read or write music and he felt inadequate. He felt like he wasn't a real musician. And then he would meet these guys, these blues guys, whatever, soul guys and they'd be like, can you hum? Can you hum it? Can you tap it?

And then he realized it's like, oh it can come from this. It can come from anywhere, potentially. You know, I just have to believe in what I'm doing and just kind of let the creative thing unfold that way. He kept going back to

having a degree or academia as something that might have held him back. Right. From going forward creatively. Yeah. Quite a bit. Mm-hmm. Kept, he kept, he, what is it?

Called receiving? He was received, like, would listen to the silence of his own mind and just a song would come out of somewhere. Sure. He would just get it. Very cool to think about. The ether.

Drag it out. Mm. Or given it by, somebody else the muse the other side as it were yeah you've got to make space for that kind of creative thing i mean if you you can't force that type of creativity i can imagine probably not no that's not going to work all right it doesn't make sense that it would and um yeah i'm sure that was a long process to kind of lean into and work with and i'm sure it's a delicate dance to be able to make these hits and and kind of believe through this whole thing

What must be difficult is you'd be such a fan of music, if you're this type of artist. You'd like music that's similar to yours and artists like yours. You'd be following their career like you're following your own. And people would have a song and you'd be like, man, that's a good song and it's a hit. And you'd be like, God, I wish I'd wrote that. Right. And then all of a sudden, you're thinking of something, but it's like very close to theirs. And, you know, it's almost like as a comedian when you're listening to some good jokes

and you end up writing jokes that are similar and you're like, ah, that's too close. Too close to that. I'm kind of accidentally stealing this one. Whoops. I need to back off. I wonder if that happens a lot with songwriters and musicians. I mean, it overtly happens when they steal their samples or use their samples. Sure.

Sure. It makes sense that it would. He did talk about interviewing the greats. He knew it. He got to meet everybody. Everyone, dude. Al Green talked to that guy. He's like, he had some great stuff to say about him.

He gave Lionel great advice back in the early days. yeah that would that would be monumental what do they say they got a PhD in hustle oh yeah they were not academically trained at all most of them couldn't read music either but they knew how to do it through the grind right and their innate talents these guys are good oh yeah yeah well you don't you don't get in that room unless you are the best of what you're doing and he was just entering thinking that he needed all these extra skills until they said hey, you've got it. You've got it. You've just got to believe

that you've got it. And this is how we do it. Babba-da-boob. Babad-da-de-d-d-d-bo. That's a gold record right there. You got a gold. That's a gold. We are not musically inclined. No. That's why we podcasted. Oasis is...

I'm good with a cowbell. Give it with a cowbell. You hit it too hard. It's one thing you do. That is the feedback I get. I'm not going to lie. You're banging on with that thing too. Too much. Slow it down.

Caress it. I have no rhythm. I'm on the Congo drum, and I can make it sound nice, but I can't keep a beat. Oh. Yeah. It's my ADHD. It's not easy. It's not easy out there.

Well, that's what we got. Yeah, well, we know Lionel, but he found his way with that. He talks a little bit about the surviving the kind of dark side of fame as well. I mean, we really just hit on Michael's dark side of fame. you know his two divorce burnout paparazzi's harassing the shit out of him i mean it was pretty brutal back in the 80s i can imagine uh obviously a lot of drugs you know you got to you got to balance that um parties crazy parties i'd imagine out of control yes men everywhere yep just always giving you exactly what you want all the time that can that can conflate and ego inflate and

you go yeah yeah and you know probably bad deals like he said that that like quarter of a million dollar deal that cost him a lot or yeah 300,000 his mom was like I can't believe it and he's like it only cost me that much to learn that lesson which actually is super wise thing to say right knowing that he can come back from it but I wonder who did that still got a sting when there's some greedy record exec yeah no doubt some like gangster style sign this Sign your soul away. Uh-huh. One of those.

Dance for me. And, uh, yeah. So, and, and, and, you know, what else with that? Oh, and his dad, remember? He said his dad was, like, very sick. So he was out there giving it his all playing. Yeah, his mom. And, oh, was it mom?

His mom was dying. Okay, that was it. Which record was it alone, alone album? Hello album? I forget which album it was. Yeah. But he's out there. And that, that, that.

must be a weird poll filling arenas selling out crazy records and then your mom's passing at the same time you just get off stage and call her and she's falling apart and you're 10 cities over you know 10 states over just wanting to be with her that you know your contract says that you have to do all these cities and all these tickets have been sold and all the money's on the line and they're not letting you off. No. All the people that are around that, because it's not just the singer that makes that money. No.

Everyone else makes that money. They're all suckling on that. Yeah. And they don't. You cancel a show. None of them get paid. So they don't care about your mom like Lionel does. And that's the end of it.

And in fact, they might end your career or end you seemingly might kill you. Yeah. Yeah. Might not be good. But, you know, now he's in a much different place. You know, he's on, what is it, American Idol, or the part, one of those, talent thing. I think it's American Idol now. And, you know, he's mentoring young talent and, you know, telling him things like, I hope you love people.

That's good advice for, like, dealing with the fame aspect of it. Gotcha. And kind of reflecting on his legacy and how he can inspire others and all the different lessons he has for kids and, you know. saying stay curious, stay kind, those sorts of things. He definitely comes across as a guy that you'd want as a dad or a friend, but you never really know who they are behind the scenes. I wonder how remember Nicole Ritchie, Paris Hulton's friend and cutie?

Right. That's his daughter, right? That's his daughter. Yeah. I wonder how he was to her as a father. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, she's a wild lady. Yeah. She grew up with every privilege.

Of course, yeah. Spoiled brat. That makes for a spoiled brat. That makes for a spoiled brat, but she seems to calm down as a mom. I think she's a mother now. Uh-huh. That's good. Good for them.

So he's a grandpa. Uh-huh. Yeah. And got into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2022. That's a big deal. He sure done that. Like in the 90s, he was. Probably, you know, they really make you work for that one.

Gotcha. They're making you work. And they really want you to be like super legendary. Take some time. He deserves it. Mm-hmm. When I was a kid, I would jam all night long, all day long.

That's a good song. All night long. Bung-ba-ding, bunk, bang-b-d-d-d-d-d-uh. That's fun time. That's a good song. That's a party. Oh, yeah. Everyone's having a good time.

You're going to have a party. You're going to have a great time. Yep, he's, you know, an American icon, a legend. And God bless him. I'm glad he's still around and doing his thing and inspiring people. And he's leaving a fantastic legacy. And it was cool to have him on. What an interesting.

guest for a Rogan episode. I enjoyed it. Left field. I really did. Yeah, yeah. I did not see that one coming. And just like Rogan said, when Lionel was asking him how you get people on the podcast or how you pick people, he said, just interesting people, I get to pick who I want. And when I saw, you know, his email, he was like, hell yeah, I'll have you on. That's, and it's definitely worth a listen. So if you guys haven't heard this one, check it out. It's worth it. And that's about it. Thanks, Pete.

And we will talk to you all next time. Later.