Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 473 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Andrew Schulz

Episode Date: October 28, 2025

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Now with your host, Adam Thorne. This might be the worst podcast. One, one of the best one a long time. One, go. Enjoy the show. Hey, guys, and welcome to another episode of the J.R.E. Review. Joining me today is Brandon back from his trip to New York City, doing some comedy. I'm back on the podcast.

it was awesome man um just a lot of hanging out got to go to the comedy seller did some like shows down there just such a fun city man brooklyn was cool manhattan east village it was just all awesome a lot of shows a lot of running around still hung over from the entire week yeah good work put it in i miss so much i miss so much on the rogan podcast i was seeing all these episodes pop up I'm like, oh, fuck. Yeah, lots happened, man. Yeah, I wish I could have covered that, yeah. And, you know, more controversy in the, the Rogan sphere and beyond, even in the comedy world.

And we're going to get into it today with the review of Andrew Schultz coming on. Good old Schultzie. Obviously, you know him from the flagrant empire, 3 million subs, 100 million plus views. I mean, I don't know what his brand is worth right now, but it must be tens plus millions. I mean, he's worth, he's worth a boatload. A quick update on the show. Actually getting a bit of a change to the format. We're going to bump up to two episodes a week consistently.

We do our favorite review of the week, as always, so that's pretty standard. And then we're going to lean into more of, commentary of the whole Rogan sphere in general. I'm sure you've seen videos online. There is so many of them now, the like elephant graveyard and so on, where they're just kind of like watching what's happening in the Rogan's universe and with other comedians and kind of what everybody's getting up to in the world of podcasting and the controversies that surround it all. And we're just going to kind of scoop around that and put our own voice to it and make sense of what's happening. It's super interesting. I don't know about you guys, but I've been addicted to it. I know

Brandon has and we want to talk about it. So we're going to be doing that. So look out for that. Yeah, well, for sure, man, at the end of this week. And just to build off what you're saying, I just want to say this whole Mark Merron thing is such a massive controversy in the comedy community where everyone's talking about it. I feel like if we talked about it on this episode, it would just take up the entire podcast. There is so much to cover. So I feel like it's a great idea where we just do these single episodes of just talking about these like conflicts because we're seeing a bit of a civil war in the Rogan sphere right now. So just to talk about, like, isolated incidents alone, I think is worth an entire podcast episode.

Yeah, I agree. Totally agree. Yep. So there we go. Yeah. What was the kind of feedback from this episode with Schultz? What are people saying on the interwebs? Right.

So allegedly, Schultz, the stand-up comedy as well, I've heard. Oh, he does. so on on YouTube on YouTube all right we're just like lighting this guy up I really had no idea what to expect because like it was a very casual conversation I enjoyed it quite a lot even like the pool talk and everything

there was a lot to enjoy on this episode I thought even though it did run a little long we're talking like three and a half hours here but let me just I'm just going to read them in order All right. I'm going to read like the first five comments on YouTube from like top voted down. Top vote. Andrew Schultz, the kind of guy that sits on the toilet with his legs crossed. No. Just like and we this pattern continues.

Schultz, the type of guy to spray cologne in the air and shimmy through the mist. Schultz is like the bad guy in a movie about gay chefs. Schultz is the type of guy who hears a loud noise and immediately asked if anyone else heard that this is all the comments are yeah

it's like what is going on man also this is one more I want to say that's like kind of funny Joe AI is terrifying also Joe you got to hear the say I music so yeah I'm looking at there's a Charlie Schultz

clip with on the Jerry Clips page and it's in its titled Shultz had an epiphany about Charlie Kirk and social media top comment Schultz is the kind of guy who wakes you up

to tell you he's going to bed and it's just it's so good yeah no one's taking this guy seriously it seems and on Spotify which that's where you get like a little more serious in the comments

and yeah it's like really the biggest thing I'm seeing in terms of a pattern on Spotify is that people are pissed about Joe's Charlie Kirk commentary because he's kind of like yeah Charlie was a little

controversial you know I wasn't really a fan of a lot of his statements and beliefs and people were really pissed because Joe brought up that quote where he's like yeah if like you know I'm flying

in the pilots a black woman I'm going to be a little nervous that's not exactly what the quote is I'm kind of just trying to remember it so don't take my word on it but that's pretty much like the lines of what it was of just like yeah I don't trust

a black woman pilot and apparently there was a lot more to it I feel like overall point he was just kind of saying it was like DEI right kind of like affirmative action just like if anyone is in a position

because they were just meeting a quota, I don't want that. You know, I always want the best version, but he just said it in a way that Joe didn't like it or a lot of people didn't like it. But Joe also acknowledges that, yeah, Charlie, you know, I get what you're trying to say, but you just could have said it better.

And he's just saying, yeah, just don't hire someone just because of their race, hire them because of their qualification. that's what like the big argument is but it's just more of the delivery of it and joe is looking with those types of deliveries that yeah you can't you have to be shit yeah every word has to be very calculated with a statement like that like even how it's delivered isn't really the best but yeah people are really pissed at rogan for uh his commentary on kirk so that was interesting that was really interesting to see well because huge following man yeah rogan we're talking like

this very right wing platform where there's a lot of people on like of course it's very libertarian too um it's it's it's kind of a bipartisan podcast it is kind of turning into that lately but it's mainly right wing and and that's no surprise you know what rogan show Rogan show. Yeah. It's more conservative, if anything. And we're seeing the whole Rogan sphere start to pivot a little bit, in my opinion. You look at Schultz, you know, it's so interesting that Schultz is like, yeah, these grifters, these people pivoting, these comics pivoting, it's like, dude, like you had Trump on, you had like all these like really like big right wing figures on. Now you're having Zoron on and you're glazing him.

the whole podcast and you're pretty much endorsing him and you're like yeah i agree with you you're right it's like that's how that's an insane flip like for anybody for for anyone to like be like i'm a trump guy and then to be like i'm a zoron guy you couldn't flip flop harder from from spectrum to spectrum you know so it's like rogan rogan is always like Bernie and you know was pro Bernie when Bernie had a chance to run before Hillary kind of did that whole bambooslan and kicked him out.

So bullshit. But, you know, he also endorsed Trump. So he's like, you know, he liked both of those people. Not necessarily at the same time, but you know, again, they're podcasters, right? They're not

cable news. They're not required to pick a side. So, yeah, I think it's interesting that they, that they're going, going. And I, you know, and I also think they're going these different directions now because of that energy with Trump, that like wave against him right now because of the Epstein files, because of these other things that he's doing that are losing trust on his end. And guys like Schultz and Rogan are partially responsible for getting him elected. Dealing with my finances feels so impossible and it feels so annoying trying to keep track of everything, especially with all the Joe Rogan kettlebells I've been buying. I just wish there was a way to save money and deal with all these overdraft fees.

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J-R-E-R. That's get-soul.com promo code J-R-E-R for 30% off. So they're like, yeah, maybe we should talk to the other side a little bit, give them more a chance. I mean, both of these two have huge platforms. Exactly. And everything you're saying is the crux of this whole. issue. Like Schultz saying all this shit about Santino, Santino's problem is exactly what you're saying, where it's like, dude, these, we, like, we keep it right here. We are just a silly podcast. We're comics. We're not news guys. Like, he was even, that's, that's where his criticism of Schultz started, where he's like, dude, they're having, like, you mean, on? I mean, Schultz. Santino criticizing Schultz. Oh, what did Santino say about Schultz?

Where he was criticizing Flagrant for having like Bernie on. He's like, dude, what are these guys doing? We're comics, we're comedians. We're not news guys. And that was this whole issue. And I'm pretty sure Schultz saw that. And that's where this big back and forth is coming from. Because he's like, oh fuck we'll fuck this guy then and then santino has marron on and then shultz is like okay extra fuck this guy right it's it's yeah yeah and we're seeing like it's crazy that we're seeing such big comics like go at each other like this where it's like you said this on your podcast and i'm going to say this on on joe's podcast and it's becoming like this really weird drama to follow because it's like

who said what were a little out of control I think yeah it's totally unnecessary it's like guys guys guys guys you're the jesters don't forget that you know I know in your own way you become like the kings just because of how popular and powerful and wealthy you get but also tried to remember

that it's it was all about being a jester so chill out yeah and it's such a funny thing to like see all the the drama being addressed nowadays because I feel like there's so many lines of drama to follow in the comedy community in the Rogan sphere Saudi Arabia for example which is addressed during this episode where he's defending Saudi Arabia he's like yeah there's a list who cares I just go to my fans he's like they're chill they're whatever freedom of speech is there even Dave Chappelle said Isn't this crazy? Dave Chappelle said that freedom of speech is better in Saudi Arabia than the U.S.

Really? Which is insane to say, Tim Dillon, for example, got booted for something he said on a podcast about the slavery that happens in Saudi Arabia, a joke about their slavery. So I wouldn't say so They've also killed journalists They've tortured journalists I don't know It doesn't seem like they would have excellent Freedom of Speech laws I wouldn't imagine

I mean certainly Not I mean America is It has pretty good versions Of freedom of speech You'll be hard You'd be hard pressed to beat that I think Compared to Saudi

Yeah, of course So Schultz did go over He went over with Who else went over? Louis, did Louie go? Louis, Santino Bobby Bobby Lee Chappelle

Chappelle Here's a big one Here's the most memorable one Bill Burr, dude Billy Blood Money Yeah, that's interesting What about Whitney Cummings?

Whitney Cummings, yep Wow, she's not even funny. Blesa. Hey, Davidson. Oh, yeah, P-Wen. Which is the funniest. Because, yeah, there was all that 9-11 controversy. That died.

Which is the funniest debt, you know. And Schultz said something on Flegre, and he's like, dude, it's not the government paying us. It's like a private organization. It's 100% the government. It's 100% the government. Oh, they paid them? That paid them. Yes.

Yeah, no doubt. Yeah. So it's, it's, weird. It's such a interesting time in comedy. Do you think they tried to get Rogan? He never mentioned anything. No, he didn't get invited. You don't think so? I don't think so.

He would have said. He would have said so. Do you think he feels left out? I think a little bit. Yeah. I think a lot of people are a little I don't think he would have gone because he doesn't exactly need the money. It's like they couldn't have afforded him anyway.

But but yeah, I think and he might have felt a bit left out. Shane's the dog. Shane's the man. You hear about what happened with him where they just kept offering

Yeah, he literally had to tell them stop doubling it because eventually you will give me enough money and I like, good for him, you know. So, I mean,

he can just print money right now though so he's not worried about that. Yeah, so he doesn't really need it, but there's a lot of comics on here, like, close to that level that also, I feel like, like Louis C.K. Did he really need that? Yeah, probably know. I mean, it does seem strange for them, honestly. I mean, it would have been a really good opportunity for them to, like, take a bit of a stand, you know. However, saying that, it also, for them, you know, it's like, do it once. See what the backlash is like. See if you can

survive it and who knows maybe every year now they have a comedy festival there where they get paid this much i mean it's definitely a greedy grab i have to say but also you know like many of the comedians that are talking shit about it you know a lot of them are doing it because they weren't invited yeah and just like me i wasn't invited nobody paid me so it's easy for me to say oh yeah well i wouldn't have gone or that's bullshit that they went yeah like i'm saying all this shit but if they emailed me and they're like hey here's five grand if you want to host i'm on there you'd go for a free hotel and all you can eat buffet yeah i'd go for a free guest spot no i don't know man it's uh it's it's interesting and it's just like like i'm saying it's

interesting times in the Rogan's fear and comedy in general because it feels like there's a civil war almost. Yeah. And something's something's happening for sure. And I mean, I don't think, I don't believe that this is because of Schultz's whole thing of, oh, kill Tony and Rogan can't get you as much money or fame anymore. Do you think that's the reason why a lot of people are starting to, you know, backtrack and backpedal and turn on the Rogan sphere, because that was his big point with this. No, I mean, Rogan and Kill Tony can still make you super famous for sure. I think it's just that they got, I bet that it is probably a little clicky in that green room.

And for good reason, like Rogan's made it that way kind of like through safety and his enjoyment. You know, it's like his club and he kind of wants it that way. it's probably a small select little crowd whereas other green rooms and other bigger clubs it's probably more free flowing with like whoever's performing and so on you know who they're picking to go there it's like it's a bit different because a comic now owns the club

so if people don't really get on well with that comic they're not going to that club therefore they probably will talk shit about that club so inherently is going to be set up to be not liked by some of them already, right? Which is a disadvantage. It also became incredibly popular right away. That creates hate. Feel a chill outside?

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and it's clearly pissing off other comedians because Tony for one isn't the best stand up when you're looking at like if you look at the top 20 guys and gals that do stand up comedy Tony's probably not in that list is he

no his stand-up specials aren't that strong he is a good comedian for sure, but he doesn't hit those top points. However, he's making more money than almost any of them now because of Kill Tony. So people are going to be haters. And the Kill Tony show, when you look at it, even though it is funny, it's not really like all stand-up comedy in a sense. It's more like a talk show. Like a game show. Exactly. It's more like that. So it's a different thing and I think people are just kind of hating on it because it's different and it makes so much money and it's this. Yeah, like, I know what you mean and it's also like the, like how they are

as comics. Like Tony Hinchcliff, for example, you look at his first special one shot, which he tried to scrub off the internet and it's not good, you know, it's rough. He took it off for a reason It got re-uploaded to YouTube, check it out. And it's, yeah, like, I'm not saying Tony's a bad stand-up. I know he has a special coming out on Netflix very soon. And I bet it's going to be great, you know? But this one-shot special was not it, was very bad. I couldn't even get through it, man.

It was like, it's one thing where you're watching it and it's just not hitting. It's another thing when you're, it's like painful to watch where you're going, oof, you know, where he's like messing up lines. He's like having to correct the joke and go back. Oh, I met this. I meant this. And he's like stuttering and stuff. It was like really like hard to watch. I guess I've not seen that. Send me a link to that. I'll send you a link. Yeah. But but it's like

Julie, it's not as bad as Gringo a puppy. Holy. I don't know. Goodness was that. That was rough. That should go in the Hall of Fame. The Comedy Hall of Fame. for what not to do. I mean... But with Gringo Poppy, it's like,

it's a fun thing to watch. It's like watching a movie that's so bad, it's almost like fun. Oh, yeah. You know, where one shot is, it's like,

it's cringy. You know? Oh. I'll send you the link to it. But, uh, yeah, so you have Tony and Rogan

who are the nucleus of this scene. of the Rogan sphere and they're saying best scene in the world comedy mecca and Rogan says that even when it has Bobby Leon you got to move here this is the best scene ever

best scene best comedy scene in the world and I think comics are kind of pissed and kind of annoyed that they're hearing this when it really just centers around the mothership and we're seeing comics there aren't other big clubs there right I mean there's just there's the Vulcan

and creak in the cave or whatever Vulcan isn't really a comedy club though it's like more of just a venue okay you know what I mean it's more like it's there's like mothership

black rabbit creek in the cave velvita room and there's one more that are like notorious but some of these clubs are like really tiny like really really tiny are they where you look at new york dude comedy seller new york comedy club and there's several there's like the east village new york comedy club there's the you know upper manhette there's

the the comic strip live danger fields it's like there are so many dude there it's like it's not like if one if if the mothership took off into space the next day the scene would be like 2% of what it used to be nothing yeah i mean and i think you're right i it almost does seem like because doesn't doesn't um redband own partially own a club there what's this yeah uh sunset strip yeah you're right i totally forgot about that one have you have you been to that one i have yeah what's that like very high ceilings that's like the running joke there the ceilings are just really high uh it's a cool room it's a cool room it's it's really it just feels like another room of the the mothership though

okay so it's like an open mic up spot pretty much yeah they do showcases it's like no one's doing specials there sure you know it's like there's it's more of like just a showcase for kill Tony sometimes gotcha okay that's really it you know but yeah that's definitely what's missing it's almost like the mothership needs to get so big

and I don't know if it already has to where it opens like a secondary club just called something else that's like other up-and-comers but they haven't quite got there a bit more stage time you know almost a bit of a training ground like a club training ground for like people to make it to the mothership but then it adds to the scene you just can't have a scene that's just the mothership you know it's like the comedy store the la scene wouldn't have been the comedy scene and if it was just the comedy store.

It's like you had the laugh factory and then you had the ice house and then there were just, you know, there were a bunch of other venues around there that made... Improv. The improv, yeah, big one, of course. Yep.

And they all had their place and they all had their unique value for like what they brought to the table. And their own little crews that used to just hang out at each one that made it special. Yeah, the comedy store did kind of of stand out just because it had a really good vibe and a good hang. But yeah, you need more

than one club. You need more than one club with like a pretty exclusive green room, right? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Now, I do want to kind of talk about some of the other things on this episode, especially the whole thing of Joe repeating, Elon's a fuckwit, where he's referring to that guy that criticized Elon because. Joe talks about seeing the Space X launch on this episode which looked so sick I'm not sure if you saw the footage that actually yeah I saw it on Jamie's

Instagram they were both there he rarely post anything so whenever he does I'm always like keen to be like oh what's Jamie up to it's usually golf but yeah this time Jamie's watching that launch what a cool thing to just be a part of though to be that so cool again Rogan just gets to freaking hang out in the you know whatever it's called the operations room or whatever and just

sit there with Elon it's like yeah it's fucking badass so awesome dude and it's crazy how you know how like big how large scale some of the stuff that SpaceX is doing grab a coffee and discover Vegas level excitement with bedmgm casino now introducing our hottest exclusive friends the One with Multi-Drop. Your favorite classic television show is being reimagined in your new favorite casino game featuring iconic images from the show. Spin our new exclusive because we are not on a break. Play Friends the One with Multidrop exclusively at BetMGM Casino. Want even more options? Pull up a seat and check out a wide variety of table games from Blackjack to poker. Or head over to the arcade for nostalgic casino thrills. Download the BetMGM Ontario app today. You don't want to

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well joe rogan sucks where you know we'll get more into this with the mark merrin episode but everything they talked about when it comes to the criticism of the Rogan sphere Mark Merrin's criticism to Rogan it just like boils down to oh Joe Rogan sucks and they never really take the criticism head on they don't address any of it you know and we see that again here

with not to bring it back to Schultz criticizing these comics who are pushing back on the Rogan sphere but they're just like yeah these comics are pushing back it's bullshit it's like they don't really dissect or look at why they don't discuss why that is and they don't really do any self-reflection here you know right and i feel like this is how joe tackles all criticism towards anything in his circle of oh it just sucks that's it it just sucks because it sucks and it's something i do kind of wish more comics did and i wish it's something that shultz did and it's something that shultz did and it's

of just like, oh, he's fucking ungrateful. He's a fucking snake. It's like, well, let's talk about why he's maybe doing this shit. Maybe like, and it's so crazy to hear also him talk about how like, like, it's crazy to see behind the curtain of all this of Schultz talking, like asking him about Santino and Joe's like, yeah, I talked to Santino about it. And he's like, let him just talk into the void and everything. it's it's i feel like a big thing just because it's it's dawned on me and i just want to say it

that i feel like none of these comics are like really addressing any of the points that are like the critical points made their way do you agree with that yeah and you know it's too easy to just be like all their haters right i know jo's got so big he doesn't want to read the comments and he stays a long way away from it and there's definitely something about that that that you should pay attention to because it is exhausting and it will crush your spirits and take your confidence

away. However, it's also good to take on some criticism, possibly through a filter, but make it a little bit constructive, but you do want to reflect on some things, you know, and asking that question, hey, why do people feel like this?

You know, why am I getting this video from elephant graveyard about my last stand-up special or about the Rogan's fear i don't think those are bad things to just kind of analyze because you know i'm sure rogan doesn't like the kind of commentary that came from that he doesn't want that to be the reputation of what's going around and a good way to stop that is to understand what it is where it's coming from and know it instead of just dismiss it as haters.

Because eventually you just get to a point where kind of Brandon Sharba is, where everyone just kind of leaves you. If everything's just like, oh, they're just all haters. And it's like, dude, you kind of have done like 10 things now that make you look like a

huge dick. Yeah, dude. Like his podcast with Chris Delia, too. Oh, dear. It's like really just like talk about a fall from grace from Chris Scalia. Oh yeah.

I'm a podcast with Schultz now. Dude, Chris. Chris was massive. Yeah. I mean, he was on top of the world until his scandal hit and now he's barely scraping

honestly. And, you know, teaming up with Brendan. I mean, no wonder Theo bopped out. And I think his timing was perfect because Theo's part just massive. And, you know, Brandon, Brandon talks about it like, they're still cool and he

had to do his thing and it's not a big deal. And, you know, but everyone knows what's really happening. And please, Rogan, have me on the, on the, on the, on the, at the mothership. Please, please have me at the mothership. That's what it feels like. Oh, like, like them defending the shit out of Rogan to all the time. That ship is sailed. Like, one, he's quick comedy and two never will he get a chance to perform at the mothership i mean brandon's not coming back to um stand up ever and to be honest i mean he's you look at his downloads for any of his shows other than even fighter and the kid but even that show is like basically dead yeah i mean there's almost nothing let what's the other one fat boy thick boy

Yeah, it's all so fucking bad. I mean, the shows, that's just him like ranting, right? And let me look at it. So it has 177 subscribers. And we go on a bit of a tangent here. 177 subscribers? A thousand. Okay.

I was 170. I was about to say, dude. Yeah, yeah. So they're like, the subscriber number is, is reasonable. and, you know, one day ago, he did a recap of the Aspinall fight, 30,000, two weeks ago, 32,000, three weeks ago, 41,000, you know, but that's less downloads than this podcast gets, and this is Brendan Sharp, you know, which is the review show of a Rogan thing, you know, it's like, I don't know, and he has to edit this together and have a team and pay for a way. I'm like, how is he making money off this? yeah where this the literally the co-host is the producer you know right it's it's it's very crazy to see a lot of these podcasts like kind of go under like for example uh two bears one cave i'm not sure if you've been following the whole drama with them but they're trying to like

recruit only fans stars oh i haven't no are they are they collapsing or what yeah they're doing really bad and their plan now is that they want to start managing only fans models and Byrd has this idea of like having them on and interviewing them and then finding one that has no

career in sex work no career in porn or only fans and like just like turn them into something which is just kind of fucking weird yeah what are they doing just being like creepy old man now yeah and everyone feels that

like the comments are like dude this is like a little weird you know it's a little like because you're getting into pimp territory with that and it's like aren't aren't you guys supposed to be like funny like isn't the whole idea of like you know the podcast is like two comics and they just like try to riff and laugh yeah like what the fuck is this turning into what is happening what what's happened to the mama's house one is that still going strange i haven't i haven't even paid any attention to that i don't even know if they're still putting out episodes they must be right maybe not it's god yeah they have to be let me look yeah it's just crazy to and this kind of falls under i mean that's two million subscribers they have

that that's a shitload so let's see latest how long ago nine hours ago so it's a lot of that's a lot of that that pretty girl interviewing people. Yeah. They can have her on. So they have other people doing a lot of the things now. Oh, really? Six days ago, quarter of a million downloads, they got an episode. They had Oz Perlman that like psychic,

not psychic guy. Yeah, he's kind of psychic, right? And then, yeah, so they're not doing it a ton and they're kind of like sprinkling in two bears one cave within this whole mix getting some downloads kind of members only it's a lot of mish mashers stuff over there I'd have to look at social blade to see like

how really how like you know if it's going up or down in terms of listens and stuff but it kind of falls under this big umbrella of the Rogan spheres not killing it right now like even Theo we talked about it last time I was on the podcast of his whole mental breakdown on stage. Apparently, that's all because of Mark Merrin, which is fucking crazy. Yeah.

Which we'll get into the next episode when we cover this whole Mark Maron Joe Rogan beef. It's just interesting to see this Rogan sphere. I don't want to say collapse, but it's in a rough state right now. There's a bit of attention. Yeah, well, some things have been highlighted, and, you know, I think that comedians are going to start kind of showing openly where they choose to perform. And that might change. Who knows? Who knows what that really even does?

It's like he's still going to get solid comedians performing there, big names. You know, Harlan Williams is not going to stop going there. Shaw Chappelle will you know still go down there Pretty Where do you think Bill Burr's been down there before What do you think Bill is now

I think Bill's like Talk some shit about that club hasn't he I'm not sure man I don't think Joe and Bill have really talked I don't think they really even talk anymore They used to be tight though When was the last time he was on I think it was when Joe was doing the podcast

Out of like his toaster Right yeah you know yeah it was a while ago because yeah bill really turned on trump and republicans and elon and i think the big thing was when he was like really embracing luigi right that was like the real like okay now he's he's done with the rogans here and the whole covid thing there's a there's a lot that separated him from that comedy space yeah that i think he's just is so far removed from it now, politically. I think, right.

It is interesting, though, like picking your friends based on what they think about politics or, like, their particular views. It just doesn't seem all that necessary to do. It's like, do you either like the person or you don't? I mean, don't get me wrong. If they have, like, really far out their crazy view that's, like, full of hatred, like, yeah,

might be worth steering clear. But if it's just like some sort of ideology, it's just like, yeah, they're still your friend who really gives a shit. Are they funny? Like, do you enjoy their company? Do you have good conversations? Like, whatever. Was it this episode where they talk about how funny it was that when like Bill Burr roasted Joe during like the Trump election and he's like Little Rascals hat? I think it was. Oh, yeah, yeah. That was that. Or was that Schultz? That was... I don't think that was during the Trump election. Was it? That was like the first one.

That was like the Trump versus Hillary. Hillary. Oh, that's right. The comedy store. Yeah, they had everyone together. And then Joe asked Bill if eating elk. made him more aggressive and he's like no joe you dumbass i mean yeah bill's so good at just putting people in in their place and they were laughing about that and joe seems to really think highly of

him maybe it's bill who's made the decision to like separate himself not joe we'll never know we'll probably find out in the future you know yeah probably i think joe's probably open to keeping conversations with most people especially in the comedy world. I don't think that he's looking to hold too many grudges. I mean, possibly now with Marin, and obviously we'll get into that a lot more in the next episode. But yeah, that's the first time that I've heard him really speak out. And it seems clear that it's because he really didn't like how that went down with Theo, you know. Which is ridiculous, dude. Like, We'll get into that, but it's just, it's crazy, man.

It's such a crazy time in comedy, no matter who you are. If you're an open micer, if you're a massive comedian with a platform. And they even talk about that a little more on this podcast about like, where do new comedians go? That was like a big topic on this. Yeah, that's a good point. I wanted to get your, I wanted to get your feedback on this. You know, I've been out of the game now for, you know, I haven't performed anything for five and a half years, which is sad to say. That's how long it's been.

And I mean, my last show was in Venice. And I think it was like April of 2020. And then during that show, the cops came and ended it, even though we had all the, it was outside. We had all the spacing, like they said. I don't think that we had testing, but that wasn't one of the requirements. They just came and said, sorry, something else changed with the way that they tell us how to do things, and now it's got to stop. It wasn't like a George Carlin incident or you were just speaking too much truth, and they were like, we got to shut you. No, it was just a lineup of probably 10 open micas, you know, I say open micas, people that have also put on some shows and been paid, you know, to do shows before.

there was some pretty decent up-and-coming comics there and we got through like maybe five of them i think i was like third to go up it was averagely okay mostly everyone was just riffing on covid shit honestly because it was just really wild down there in venice and then yeah they just came along somebody one of the neighbors must have complained and then it was done and i never got another chance so yeah my point is and question to you is with how everything's changed and you know what what the scene is like now how do people do it what are the differences yeah so i've been doing comedy just about like like a month ago now at four years four years i've been doing stand-up and you know

I've opened and performed with like Annie Letterman Rich Voss I've been doing a lot of shows in Boston at like Laugh Boston Knicks the comedy studio shameless plug I guess but

I've been on Kill Tony I've been on Kill Tony that's a big one I guess you've done a lot in four years you have done a lot for a comedian in four years for sure I've done a lot and I've seen a lot of comics fellow comedians who've started with me like Skyrocket pocket and I've also seen like mostly comics that I started when I did like just fucking

not improve get on zero shows not do anything and it's all a social media game now that's what it is it's not a path anymore it's 800 forks in the road that's what it is right It's blow up through crowdwork, blow up through clips, and then get booked that way, be a social media influencer, and then get your audience that way, get on Kill Tony, and then instantly be a headliner, or just be so undeniably funny that clubs have to book you, clubs put you up, but it doesn't necessarily get you a big fan base. it's so weird now there's no real path anymore and i kind of fucking hate that i i do hate the state of comedy i i don't like that it's just you just figure it out on your own do whatever you want it's not get on the tonne show get on this get on that there's a big thing now get a don't tell special that's a that's a big thing going around but i don't know i i feel like kill tony isn't really like people are calling and rogan people are saying that's the carson that's the letterman

of today and i kind of just don't like that comparison they're they're way different they're definitely their own things yeah kill tony can make careers but i was talking with a few comics about this couple days ago actually where his friend was a golden ticket winner and he's like yeah there's just so many golden ticket winners now. It just doesn't really mean anything anymore. Or Hans Kim, you know, or like anyone who got a golden, or no, he was, he became a regular, but anyone who got a golden ticket, it was like fucking massive, like in the beginning. It's a big deal for a while, yeah.

Like, like, yeah, yeah, it was mad. And now it's just kind of, it's, okay, you got a golden ticket. Now you got to prove yourself. so I don't know man it's it's a weird time I don't know where things are headed it's more so going towards the do it yourself attitude the DIY of like the the YouTuber of like you just got to make it yourself you can't have anyone just give you a career but there's of course a handful of people that can but if I got on the tonight show if I got on you know a lot of these old platforms that would boost careers. If I got on the Tonight Show, dude, like I would become a

headliner, but it's not going to make my career. I wouldn't be able to like tour as a headliner. I'd be able to show it to bookers and they're like, yeah, sure, we'll throw you up as like a feature or maybe headline. Yeah. You know, it might give you if you were that type of comedian an S&L audition, you know, something like that. That could be potentially the biggest thing you get from it. Maybe not even like it was back in the day. I have friends, man, who have gotten on Fallon and stuff and they're able to like sometimes now do showcases. The most I think it ever gets you now is like a buddy of mine got on Fallon and now he's sometimes the spots at the cellar, New York, which is great. But before that would just make your whole career, not just get you a

spot at a club right you know well it is like the biggest club ever well the biggest club in new york but yeah it's it's strange it's strange times it's very strange times and even santino was talking about that on bad friends he's like i don't know what the fuck's happening in comedy anymore like how this out the biggest comedy podcast aren't comedy podcast, how it's just politics, politicians, a lot of tech guys, and I don't know what the future looks like for that. I don't know what the future looks like for open micers and just comedy in general and what that latter looks like, as well as comedy podcast, you know? Do you have any idea what the future of like this whole of like the Rogan sphere style podcast are going to look

like in say like 10, 20 years? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, look, look, Rogan's show has obviously evolved, you know, but it didn't really, it was always just like a guys talking show that eventually sometimes it was funny when Joey Diaz was on or other comedians. Then it just became these like bros hanging out, having arguments, getting stoned. Then he would have, you know, a few guests. that were a bit more legit.

So obviously it had this air that was a little bit more serious. So Rogan's progression and show kind of trajectory is reasonable and it makes sense that it kind of went this way. And obviously he's got a lot older now. It's been a long time in his life. Obviously, also it's so popular too.

It's got, you know, everything's so heavily critiqued that he said that, you know, things have changed within it. Well, what's happened is he's dragged up friends around him that started their shows just being comedians and just being funny and then quickly found out their voice had weight too. And then they all took themselves seriously. And their shows have all gone in whatever directions they've gone.

Look at Schultz. I mean, it's funny sometimes and then he's interviewing Trump, you know, or whatever it is. Theo's is often pretty funny I mean his Cat Williams episode is one of my favorite podcast of all time but you know then they have Jordan Peterson on and they get into it

and it's a bit more serious like Theo has some range and he's quite an emotional person that's that's very you know he's good at being vulnerable and just honest and just kind of really analyzing how he thinks about things in a way though I think Tim Dillon is keeping it close when it comes to like being political but also being funny

he's so silly that he keeps it close to that I didn't watch his I didn't watch his interview with J.D. Vance and I imagine that it was you know he was obviously a lot more serious because he was trying to keep J.D. Vance you know sweet for the whole interview but I mean Tim D. Dylan is a very silly person and I hope he holds on to that in the podcasting space

but you know I see why it's easy again just like the Rogan sphere as a whole is to hate on podcasters because they're massively popular they make a shitload of money that they don't have to prep at all to do their shows

it seems super easy what they do they're just talking and they're they they're not serious, right? Yeah, they're trying to often make very serious points. And that probably pisses off people that are very serious trying to make serious points and not being listened to anywhere as much.

Yeah, and it's punching up too at the same time because a lot of these podcasts, like privately talk to the government, hang out with, you know, Tim Dillon has gotten many dinners with J.D. Vance and everything. So a lot of these podcasts are like, like like you know holding hands with the current administration so the fact that like we're like even let's like what is schultz talking about what what certain comics are is even talking about i wrote it down stavros santino bobby lee and dan soder that's it and we're talking like not even not even enough you can count you can you know like four comics

that's nothing it's like i feel i don't understand where it's like it's like yeah it's good to have some pushback if you're that popular comics criticize each other it's like it's what keeps them fresh it's what's healthy about it and the fact there's a little pushup back it's it's it's ridiculous how how much they're overreacting from it do you think shultz is just trying to be the guy that's like i go you're Joe like I'll stand you know I've been with you since the beginning you're my boy

like F those guys when Rogan is really like it's all right they can say shit I had Santino on recently it's not like a big deal like people have opinions yeah well Joe's pretty much just trying to convince or I mean Schultz is just trying to convince

Joe that Santino's a snake on this episode yeah that's what it is that he's saying like yeah yeah dude he's gonna like have Marathon talks shit and then anytime he has to come on like you know do a have a special and promote it here he comes knocking on your door

you know which is I think kind of fair criticism to be honest but at the same time it's like I don't know it doesn't fucking matter it's not that big of a deal it really isn't I think it's more of a petty beef between Santino and Schultz

but it's stupid it's really stupid but I think Joe is starting to kind of open his eyes to like the state of things. He's like, it's like every, every week he, by like another 1% he starts to realize the state of comedy and just like the community and the, the Rogan sphere and who's beefing with who and what that means. And I don't see himself ever turning on Santino. or like any of this stuff

unless it gets like real big unless comics are like really starting to push back on Rogan because we're only talking like four people we're not talking like there's a ton of these big like even Bill Bird dude he's not shit on Rogan

Louis CK's not like it's not like these big comics I don't even think Stavros was like really shitting on the whole scene there he was just making some commentary about some of the energy around how people talk down there. And, you know, each scene has its own vibe.

New York has a different vibe than L.A. Everyone's always known that. New York comics can make jokes about L.A. comics and vice versa. Often New York comics would come to L.A. and be at the comedy store and make jokes about how the L.A. scene is and Howard's so different from the New York scene. And it was funny. And it was picking on L.A.

how soft people were there he's like oh i can't say the stuff i can say in new york i can just shit all over someone in the crowd you guys start crying and it's like there's there's comedy in that people would find it funny i mean you obviously you got to deliver it well but yeah and the issue is a lot of these comics just have massive fucking egos you know i'm not sure what your opinion on schultz is but a lot of people call his panel a bunch of yes men who just clap and laugh anytime he has a point and I do kind of get

I've seen a couple of flagrant episodes like the one with Louis C.K. was great where Louis was just roasting Schultz the whole time. Oh nice. Louis does love to do that. There was a great Shane Gillis episode with on the Shane podcast

where Louis was on. It was like the first time Louis was on and Louie was just giving him shit for like charging for the second half of the episode on Patreon he's like you don't need the money just give him the show dude and he's like Louis just loves to just rip on it and then Louis like left

or went to the toilet or something there was just a break and Shane's there like you think Louis hates us he's not going to come back on is it it's great dude I love shit like that that's a great episode that's like a great series regardless that's the presidents where

Shane Gillis and and Louis CK go over every single president and like talk about it. It's such a fucking solid series. But yeah, dude, even Shane Gillis is starting to push back where he's being like, he's talking about, yeah, the pendulum where he's talking about PC culture. And he's like, yeah, the pendulum is swung the other way now.

Or whoever he's talking to, it was like, yeah, the pendulum swung the other way. And he's like, and Shane Gillis goes, have you been to the mothership? I feel like it's swung a little too high, you know. It's like some of the shit people were saying. And yeah, even Shane Gillis is starting to push back a little bit. So I don't know, man. It's interesting times. We'll see what happens.

It's definitely a civil war. Is heating up in the Rogan sphere, I think. And I'm excited to see what happens because I find it entertaining regardless, you know. Oh, yeah. It's all entertaining and it all work itself out. And I don't think it's going to become anything. too heavy because people just don't need these beefs. They're going to come around

and Joe I think is probably pretty good at finding middle ground. You know, he's going to make it clear, I don't need anyone sticking up for me and he's just going to create more of an invite to get these guys back on his show and other things and get them back out to his club

and just kind of ease some of that energy, I'm sure. So we'll see. Good episode. You want to rate it? for this week and um yeah look out for the the marron schultz rogan sphere special episode later in the week before before we end things off we should rate the episode oh the shultz one yeah i give it a solid seven it was worth listening to i get i'd yeah i'd have to give it a seven too just for the drama it was the drama you know it well it was because of rogan's rant on

Maron. I've been waiting for that for a long time. I wanted to hear what he really thought. And we didn't really go over it because obviously we're going to do it mostly in the next episode. And the effort of Reyes. But yeah, that was really what made that worth it

for me. For sure. Say it. All right guys. Awesome. Take you later. Cheers. See ya.