Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 476 Marc Maron vs Joe Rogan Drama Retrospective

Episode Date: November 19, 2025

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You're listening to the Joe Rogan Experience Review. What a bizarre thing we've created. Now with your host, Adam Thorne. This might either be the worst podcast, one of the best one a long time. One, go. Enjoy the show. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to the Joe Rogan Experience Review. We're trying something new today on this episode.

We're going to be talking about the Joe Rogan and Mark Marin Drama. I'm joined by Adam Thorne. As always, Adam, how's it? going, man. Oh, good. Good. I'm excited for this. Dude, this kind of drama is interesting. You know, and here's the thing. It's like not to inflate this because Rogan stays out of that type of stuff generally and for good reason, you know, it's not a reality Kardashian episode. You know, he's not trying to just create drama for hits. But sometimes things hit too close to home. And I think Mark, you know, upset Theo.

And Theo isn't really prepared to defend himself in that way. And Rogan steps up for people. So he may not jump in to defend himself necessarily. He doesn't really feel the need to. He's like, whatever, I'm rich as fuck. It doesn't matter. but you start messing with some of his friends he's going to get mad and then he he kind of kind of pulled you know all the stops out for this one i mean we heard the whole story

yeah and rogan like has his thumb on on what people are talking about when it comes to drama for example uh mark marin said on instagram live once that you know netflix has created this cash grab culture that comics can do pop-up shows shit-faced and make millions of dollars and that was a statement he made on instagram and then rogan heard that somehow and then texted bill uh burr krecher it was like hey man uh your boy's talking shit about you and then it created this massive rift between burke chrycher and mark merrin and mark merrin's like what the fuck's going on so we approached uh bird about it. Bert Kana was like, fuck off. You know, Mark looked into it. He found out what was

going on. He called Bert. He goes, Bert, like, what the fuck? I was talking about Dave Chappelle. You don't do pop up shows for Netflix? And first, like, oh, yeah, you're right. And Mark's like, well, what do we do now? And it goes to show that, like, Joe is defending people. He's, like, really making sure people

aren't talking shit and wants them to know when there is some drama. This Mark Marin thing is sprinkled like in all of Joe's past it really is it's really interesting. Joe

Joe like jumped through a conclusion on this right and it wasn't about but not at all okay I see yeah but here's the thing and I'm not trying to defend Joe obviously I review his show forever I listen to him a lot like

obviously there's probably a bias there but I know what it's like also when you have a bit of a beef with someone you're kind of on the defensive you know it's like you're always watching for them to say something assuming they're coming out for you

or someone else it's like when you first said that message I was thinking bird I'm like drunk on anything you're always thinking bird yeah you really are drunkest comedian but it's funny how

you know a lot of people are looking at Mark and they're like Mark's always stirring shit up I don't know I feel like there's there's some shit on both sides

for this drama and this is a real comedy civil war here I think that Mark's Mark is the Robert E. Lee of this comedy civil war you're telling me they're going to take

his statue down eventually I think so dude at the cat cafe wherever the fuck let's be fair to everybody I think I think Mark is a freaking great comic

I love his jokes I love his writing I like a lot of his acting you know I like a lot of the things that he's in I often will see him in something and be like I'm going to watch that and I don't do that for a ton of actors

like he just is interesting in that way but I don't I haven't really ever been that much of a fan of his podcast it's it's like a bit whiny it's kind of a bit annoying um you know and he he doesn't really have like the type of ideals that I get pumped for you know he's like he's like gentle you know I like the guys that are like a bit more manly in the sense it's like that pumps me up I'm like yeah let's go Like, that's a podcast that I, you know, I'm saying that. It's not like Theo does that, you know, like Tim Dillon. I love those podcasts as well.

But it just, he just has a bit of a whiny kind of attitude and energy a little bit, you know. He really does, man. He does. And I think, I think that's what's coming through. And to be fair, Rogan's little breakdown when he was just. like listen Maron was super popular and then with his podcast

and now it's not. It's not even in the top 200. Every time he falls off, he gets better. When Louis C.K. got real popular they were friends. He got mad at him. You know? When, um, who was the

who was that really good one-line comic guy? Um, Mitch Hedberg. Hedberg. Mitch Heptberg. And, you know, he blew up, got mad at him, you know? It's like, you can't be better than Mark. And that's just this shitty way to be.

He's not wrong, man. He really is not wrong with that criticism on Mark Merritt. Like in 2009, in a comedy special, Mark Merrin was like, I go on cable TV and, you know, how much John Stewart does this world need? He hated John Stewart. he saw john stewer on on magazine covers and was like fuck this guy he's a fucking sellout for doing uh um short attention span theater that was the show he was hosting and mark merrin came up with john stewart so he's like fuck john stewart you know fuck this guy this guy's getting he's a he's a sellout he's get all this shit you know what's funny dude mark marron rules shut up yeah

Dude, Mark Maron ended up hosting that same very show that he was criticizing John Stewart of hosting and being a seller. Oh, my God. It was pure jealousy. It was really pure jealousy. And then Mark Marin ended up, you know, for WTF, he was like using that as like kind of his apology podcast where he has people on like, I love whatever you think about Mark Merrin's podcast. I love his episodes with Louis C.K. Really great stuff. And his apology to Louis and everything I thought was really cool.

And it was awesome to hear them. Oh, I haven't seen it. I should watch that for sure. But he reached out to John Stewart. And, you know, John Stewart ended up calling him. And he's like, hey, man, like, I just want to let you know, there's no love here. I don't need an apology. I don't think there's any love here

there's nothing to talk about and Mark was just destroyed by that and in my opinion I think John Stewart is totally in the right for taking Oh so John was like fuck you period when Mark Merrin approached him

to be on WTF wow because he's like hey man like I have a podcast WTF I know we have some history I'd love for you to come on on so we can just figure the shit out. And that's what Mark does to like every comic.

He has them on the podcast. He's like, yeah, let's just, let's just squash the beef. Right. But you know what this says to me? And I don't think this reflects poorly on John. It's like, actually what this says to me is John really feels it, right? It probably really hurt him. He probably felt really sad about it, you know?

It meant something. he probably cared about Mark and what Mark really thought and it hurt and then he found out clearly that he was a hypocrite as well and he was like you know what he's not who i thought he was so no there's no conversation here that's disappointing dude and when it came to the rehad comedy festival uh john stewart was interviewed about it and he's like yeah there's some pieces of shit like making jokes about it and their stand-up and talking about it. He's so referring to Mark Merritt. He is 100% referring to Mark Merritt. Confidence shouldn't be complicated. Through hymns, you can skip the guesswork and get access to care that actually fits your lifestyle,

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And that guy that was interviewing him really want to. to hammer rogan and john was having none of it he was like i like going on his show i like the fact that he has these interviews and you know what he it's not his job to like give everyone's shit that comes on he's just talking to him i like that he has those conversations and he can think what he wants and i was like holy shit that's a fucking just it was just a cool move and it was smart too And that's the thing. You cannot and don't ever underestimate how intelligent John Stewart is. And if you're not sure, go back and watch his like early appearances on the O'Reilly Factor on Fox News when the Daily show was brand new.

He went into the lion's den. He, you know, they thought he was going to get, basically Fox was like, you're going to get Ian alive. You're in our territory. he he held it so well dude i mean he was ready whatever you think about john stewart you have to at least have some respect for him especially everything he did for the 9-11 firefighters too oh yeah that that was huge will go on the front line for people oh yeah he's he's a real one man i i think john stewart is like in a top you think he thinks it was an inside job Dude, this is why we got to have the John Stewart, Joe Rogan, Alex Jones episode.

Yeah. The meeting of the minds right there. You know, John is happy to go on Rogan. They don't have any beef at all. I want to see that. They get together every now and again. I was, yeah. There's no beef.

I mean, dude, you know, Bill Maher goes on Rogan. Like, no problem. Bill Mark goes on. They have, like, there's an interesting. you know relationship with all these guys right or that honestly you know it's kind of a shame that john oliver kind of went as extreme his way as he has because his show is good and he is very funny but i think an interview with rogan and him would be excellent the problem is i think they kind of hate each other you know and john i'm pretty sure john oliver is

is done in a whole episode on how much Rogan sucks or podcasts, you know, so you couldn't come back around from that. But my point is, you know, it's not going to be long. For some reason, John will be back on Rogan, and those conversations are fucking great. I mean, dude, they've been doing comedy in different circles for, you know, 30 years, like they're friends. They know each other. You can have different political thoughts and not think that someone is an asshole as well.

That is true, man. And I would love to hear a political discussion between Rogan and John Stewart. They have very, very different political beliefs where the daily show, in the daily show, like very liberal, a very liberal show where Joe has become a very conservative. guy like his podcast is very conservative now so i would love to see how they discuss certain issues and see what like is bipartisan interview the bill ma was on it not that long ago and you know they get into the you know it's not like it was like super political episode but there isn't a ton of major disagreements you start to see that it just brings it highlights that thing that where you know most people that are reasonable kind of agree on a lot of the topics

right it's more of the nuance you know you start hitting those really political talking points like abortion or you know LGBT you know it's like you're hitting these talking points that get people revved up but at the end of the day people want good health care you know they want family values they want community they want good roads they want affordability exactly they want safety yeah they want law and order it's like all of that is everyone's on the same page well i would say that john stewart is like a top five requested guest in my opinion for me if i was to see a guest it would be like number one mark merrin number two i'd love to see john stewart three Alex Jones and then

I think those three men if I like in the future any of those guys are on we're making an episode right away Mark Marin especially that would be the podcast of all podcast the that would be such a great debate

I would love to see that Mark Barron I don't think would even do it he stated that he feels like there's nothing he would get out of it but I just think it would be some of the most entertaining fucking dude I think he would No, he would do it if he was invited because, you know, if anything is telling me something about his kind of personality, it's like he wants to be something. He likes the attention.

He wants to be popular. He's falling off. You know, I mean, his acting is like something, but his comedy is not going great. His podcast is going nowhere. Well, it's done. And to go on Rogan, yeah, it's done, basically. To go on Rogan could like, like, everyone knows. It could like re-ignite something that he has.

So he would do it, for sure. I don't think Rogan would have him, though. You know, it's like Gavin Newsom. He's not putting, unless Rogan, Rogan might have Gavin on only to destroy him. There's more of a chance of Gavin. There are 100% is more of chance. But he's not going to be nice.

It won't be one of those. Rogan's just trying to get to know you. If Rogan does have Gavin on, it will be the ugliest Joe Rogan you've ever seen. We'll see, man. You know, I haven't seen a Joe pushback episode in a long time. Oh, dude, Candice Owens was probably the last one. For sure. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, I think it would be fun to like get into some of like the origins of the two of them because I'm not sure if you know this. but what makes this thing so interesting that in the beginning when Joe was an open micer and was doing comedy for like five, six months

Mark Merrin pulled him aside and gave him like advice and it was like hey man you're really funny you should keep going at the comedy connection in Boston in 88 and it's funny that he gave him that advice

and now this is what it's turned to do you know well you know Joe's talked about that a few times it meant a lot to Joe and I don't think Joe thinks less of it now because Mark was a bigger player in that game and it really helped Joe out it's like he's talked about those compliments before and you know what it means to have a comic that you look up to say that and Mark took the time to do it you know and I think what it highlights and it's something important to

remember is like look no one's all bad no one's all bad and no one's all good as well but it's like he's not all bad he's just you know gets bitter because he's not as popular as he wants to be for whatever reason yeah that's way back dude i mean what was joe then like 21 22 yeah Yeah, 1988, man. Dude, that's like 30, what, fucking seven years ago? Like, that's a lot of. But I think what was really interesting

was when Joe was on WTF for the first time. Because I felt like that whole episode was Mark trying to get Joe to admit that he sold out with Fear Factor. Because the whole episode is Mark on, well, don't you feel like if Bill Hicks were around he would shit on it

and call you like a hack and Joe's like yeah he'd probably make fun of it but I think it'd be funny and the whole episode was just Mark trying to be like just say you're a hack just say you're a fucking sellout

no shit really I haven't heard that and Joe just doesn't and it turns into a pretty friendly conversation and then Mark appeared on Joe's podcast in 2013

which is pretty much lost the media at this point and they hit it off really nicely and Joe even said like at the end of the episode we got to do this more often which was just cool and it's like wow this just could have been a friendship but they turned into

fucking I don't think Joe's not he Joe knows how to use his energy he's not looking to waste his energy on a feuds many people are they love to right mark seems to like that that's okay fine do it but like i don't recommend it it's not good for your mental health it's just look you can get mad at people you can get

frustrated it's better to let it go you should focus on yourself move forward put that energy into going to the gym you know you don't need to stare in the mirror and have some like fantasy conversation about what you would say to this person the next time you see him it's all wasted energy but people do that shit dude and I feel like that's what Joe's doing at the end of that conversation

that's what he loves podcasts he's like oh shit you know I thought you'd be weird but you're cool and I'm glad we have this talk and you know I feel a little bit smarter because we had this conversation

so thanks for coming I can totally see Joe Rogan running through fake argument scenarios with Mark Marin and like a sauna or something yeah because dude when he was when he was talking to Brian dude he was like he was like point point point

it was like damn dude you've thought about this oh yeah no you're right yeah he has thought about it he definitely has I mean yeah look when I say he knows how to use his energy everyone has those conversations everyone is wasting a little bit of time with it but

I you know it's like how much are you dwelling on it how much is it coming up you know now sure yeah thought about that because it was concise and I have to say that it was like logically good as well I was like that's fucking legit dude he's probably right he was throwing statistics out there and everything and we'll get to that because I think there's a lot to say about Joe literally exploding and just being like like the guy who is like don't want to bring drama into the podcast. I'm not trying to talk drama just to like fucking go nuclear on Mark Merrin. Well, I feel like a lot of this current drama started in like 2021 with the Spotify deal.

Yeah. When Mark was on Tom Cigar's podcast and was like, you know, I like, you know, I like, literally to Tom goes, I like you because he didn't rent out space in Joe's ass. And then he's like, $100 million for being like, I don't know, man. Referring to like Joe not pushing back, which ended up funny enough

becoming kind of a criticism later in Joe's podcast. And also just like on that episode on Tom's podcast, Mark also roast like the comedy scene and the comics who follow Joe and calls them like, you know, middle

relax um yeah it's it that is purely jealousy i think you know there's definitely some criticism there for sure but it's like i don't know dude it's it's the the pattern of super successful so i don't like it like is there with mark so to call it like just purely um something's wrong and i have to say something and not just coming from pure jealous see but but think about it in this terms right it's like rogan there are comedians out there that have much bigger comedy careers than him clearly okay he has a big comedy career but a lot of it now is because he's so famous with his podcast he is not a bad stand-up people give him a hard time. I've seen him live a lot. He's good. If you look at his like 2006 back then his specials,

like he had some bangers, dude. Yeah. You know, his last couple are like whatever, but you know, you look at Chappelle's last couple. They're not as strong as his 2010 stuff. It's like there's, there's a range for it, you know? It's like people start to get too political, whatever points. And, but my point is look at Bill Burr look at Chappelle you've got Shane Gillis

like there's just big players out there he's not talking shit about any of them he would do shows with any of them he talks about how good they are he doesn't try to pretend that he's better than them he wants them to come to his club you know he's just

you know it's just like Mark is just like decided that this person has this thing that he wants so he sucks and it's like why why you even just fucking do your comedy or do your podcast or do whatever and here's here's another thing dude and this probably hurts a lot back in 2021 just like you were saying rogan got that spotify deal well that's when my show our show that we're on blew up as well. I got into the top 10 on Apple,

Bloomberg, Forbes. They all wrote articles about me. Vice, like Yahoo News, like, you know, Google it. They're there. And I was ranking above

Marin's show on the fucking review show of Rogan. Well, what's actually really funny is I was ahead of Jordan Peterson then

above all the Fox News guys CNN guys above Theo it was when Theo's show was new but it was crazy just to have so that's wild dude you know that must be

for him not that I was on Mark's radar I'm sure but like all the podcasters were looking at those rankings early on and because he's not doing his show anymore guaranteed we rank higher

it's like sorry dude you know just make your show better don't talk for 20 minutes at the beginning about how the day is like shut up get on with this show he has great guess he had fucking Obama

on and this is way before Rogan could get a president or a presidential candidate on I mean he had access to excellent guests dude he's had um leonado decaprio and brad pitt on rogan hasn't had that he's had really good access to people and he just doesn't make the interviews that good i'm sorry yeah like it's like a lot of the episodes are him just being like who are your guys you know

and just like him just being like i don't know it's it's like um I think it's funny. And I'm not trying to shit on him too bad. I think he's very talented. He's good. Yeah. But the pod is just not that good. I understand why it's dropped off.

I kind of didn't understand why it was as popular as it was for so long. I have to be honest. Well, I don't know. I think it was just like the whole idea it's in his garage. Dude, if he moved his podcast of like video as well and put it on YouTube, I think its popularity could have been maybe doubled seriously. You're probably right. You know what I think?

What Bill Ma is doing with his podcast? Yeah. It's kind of like what Mark could have done if he was better. It just happens to be that Bill Ma is naturally more talented at it because he's kind of taken over. It's like a very similar show almost, right? The same kind of level of liberalism, the same kind of interview-ish style,

but Bill is just better. He's more interesting. Well, podcasting really kicked off in like 2008, where, you know, maybe not like kicked off compared to like, you know, when Rogan started doing it. But in 2008, it was like a strictly audio only thing. oh yeah very strictly audio only and i think mark just sees that as being more traditional and he

sees if he did make the podcast a video thing as well it would just kind of be selling out maybe i don't know it's weird but then his last episode that he did recently like his big final episode was a video podcast with obama where what i thought was interesting about that is Obama brings up Rogan, which is probably pissed off Mark so much, so much. What did he say about it? Do we have a clip? Yeah, yeah, I can play a clip. I'll edit it into the episode, but this is what Obama said about Rogan on Mark's podcast. There is still, I think, a power in just people listening to conversations if they listen to the whole thing. sure that i i think is different yeah you know i you and rogan i just came up yeah started

right around the same time right and it it was interesting to me when you know people started criticizing i don't know bernie or somebody else for going on rogan right it's like well why wouldn't you yeah of course go go if you have time to go have a conversation with somebody, you know, then that is consistent with democracy. All right. Now, let's talk about this year, 2025, because this is when all the shit really exploded. So it all started with his press tour for Mark's new, like, comedy special panicked when he attacked Joe and, uh, in the robin sphere, you know, and Theo.

on Howie Mandel's podcast. He was like, and he was on bad friends as well and calling Rogan a hack and attacking his politics and his role in Trump's re-election and really just dumped all these points. And yeah, that whole Theo thing,

I'll be honest, man, his whole thing on his joke on Theo, I actually enjoyed. I like Theo Vaughn. I thought that joke was pretty far. But I like jokes and so do you. So we get it. And it was a funny impression.

I could imagine that it made Theo depressed, which is sad because Theo's cool. It did. Well, that's just like what culture is now. Like you look at the Nelk boys and they had a Njahoo on. You know, it's just like kind of this weird culture now where it's like people are just having such like weird figures on podcast. And it's more of a comment. on that and I think he just uses Theo Vaughn to like kind of channel it but I think it's funny would Theo Vaughan really have Hitler on the show no because it's a fucking joke huge guess though

that would be quite a get massive um so yeah like rogan silent with the howie mandel podcast Rogan's silent with bad friends and then Rogan just explodes when Brian Callan comes on the show he just can't help himself because Callan dances

around it and because he knows that Joe doesn't like talking about drama publicly and Joe goes just fucking say Mark Merrin all right just fucking say Mark Merrin yeah he's like his fucking guy sucks he you know statistically he's the old he's out of all

live nation has the most single ticket sales he's like yeah his audience is just like depressed fucking gooners and just like goes on like goes fucking nuclear on mark merrin and then he has uh Andrew Santino on which we talked about on our and Andrew Santino episode and is like you know yeah man uh I think he brings up Mark Marin and then when Andrew Schultz is on the show they talk about Mark Maren a little bit and Joe also reveals that he brought Andrew Santino aside and was like yo what was that all about and kind of like it was like explain yourself what you doing and Santino was like yeah man just let him rant he's no one gives a fuck about him and kind of just treated Mark like yeah he's just he's a nobody

but I don't know like you watch that episode it seems like Santino was like really into it and was having a lot of fun and wasn't pushing back at all but instead was doing the opposite and fueling Mark Marin and kind of like being like yeah you kind of got a point where Mark's whole thing that was kind of a bit of that but you know yeah to be honest you know I would say in my own life and I am very protective over my friends but sometimes I and it's not like gaslighting

but sometimes I like feel a bit silly and if someone I you know I'm hearing is talking shit about someone I know I'll just like let them play it out yeah because I because it's like a way to get

more of that information he's like oh yeah tell me more what else they do oh yeah what a dick idiot but you like you know you like the person you just want to hear like where's your angle like what do you think about this it was just it's different when you do it privately or just at a bar or it's just a couple of you hanging out when it's a podcast and everyone in the world's listening you know you're just kind of curious to why are you not kind of standing by your friend or whatever it says a lot though that Joe had him on not that long after that and it really wasn't brought up

if it wasn't for Santino I mean sorry uh Schultz bringing it up shortly after that on the pod it nobody would have said anything dude I think Schultz kind of does have a point though of he's not wrong yeah these comics will like you know get on that shitting on the Rogan's your bandwagon and then when they need to promote a special will go on your show and in my opinion it's like either fucking do none or pick one you know i don't know man and like even on that bad friends episode bobby lee's like all right when is this thing going to like blow over when do you think how long is this thing going to last like they obviously seem to agree with mark there was like negative pushback and it's not that there was there was

was no pushback but it was like they were almost encouraging it now my big issue with you know we all we talked about a lot of the criticisms to mark rogan criticized and talked about every single point about mark marin and that mark made except the criticism about the rogan sphere like the main point he did talk about the whole issue with the trans people where he's like well it's you know trans people are down they don't get health care and then Joe's like well they do get

health care but that was about it that was really it I would really love to hear what Joe thinks about this whole Rogan sphere thing because Mark just does kind of a quick version like his filtered version of the elephant graveyard video

yeah and if Rogan addressed Mark's criticisms he's really at the same time addressing the elephant graveyard video so that would be quite interesting i think he's maybe avoiding that for a reason mark saying that it's a lot of hack shit and that just shitting on trans people is just hack and using buzzwords and he's saying like also it's it's not censorship it's cultural pushback you know which i understand that point of you like it's not that you're getting arrested for saying like you know the word retard you're you're it's

just cultural pushback with slurs and everything um well they made such a big issue about this whole are we getting canceled you know it was almost like a badge of honor yeah almost get canceled like tony almost got canceled or joe did or when they came for you and we survived it and it was like what is cancel culture unless you were you know straight up using the n word you didn't get canceled right and it's it you come back from it yeah so i don't know like listen listen if you're christopalia you don't like you can't you can't you can't do that right you can't do that you can't say the n word 500 times like a Seinfeld character like of course right but if you You can just make a Puerto Rico joke, you know, or make fun of a Chinese kid.

It's like, you'll survive. You know, even the whole cancellation with Shane Gillis saying some stuff about gay people on his podcast, which honestly, if you go back and listen to it, it was like nothing, really. Yeah. Like nothing. It was S&L just got really up in arms, and they made a big mistake because they just happened to fire someone who is very, very funny. Lauren Michaels Not just a great comedian But really good at making skits

Like he's Chappelle level With with both of those things So they've kind of fucked that up Lauren Michaels literally went up to Shane It was like you can either quit Or we fire you And Shane's like well you're gonna have to fucking fire me You know it's like a lot of that shit has changed

The The like culture has shifted quite a lot It really has But I love it because he's hosted it twice Yeah. And I would say in the last decade, easily has the best skit that has been made. And it's the couple of beers one. So good. So good, dude. That is the fucking, I've watched that skit so many times. And I'm like, it's genius from start to finish. Yeah. Well, I think, you know, my overall thoughts on this whole thing is that Mark definitely has some issues. And he's always had these issues that he just needs to fucking figure out and have some self-awareness. Like even when he says...

Go to the gym, bro. Exactly. When he says that on Howie Mendel's podcast said, he's like, I don't really have issues of comics. It's like, yeah, you fucking do. You're fucking lied. And Joe even talks about that. But again, Joe kind of just cherry picks the points

he wants to talk about. And I think that's some criticism on his end from me that it's like just just address this whole fucking thing head on elephant graveyard has like five million views on that rogan sphere episode oh yeah seeing a lot of pushback also joe shitting on mark's fucking reddit page dude have you seen the rogan reddit page it is it's a fucking it's chaos man oh it's worse it's way worse it's way worse and mark's reddit is rough but it's bad man so I don't know

I think you know I would just love them to have a fucking discussion on air like a one podcast it's worth it well it's like Anthony Jezzanek too

yeah you know he's he seems like a bitter guy and I love him like he is one of my idols in comedy he is what made me want to get in the standup I love his joke writing

I think he's a genius like i've always liked his style he's just fucking brilliant but he loves to talk shit he wants to separate himself from podcasters he's like you're not a real comedian i'm just like why are you doing any of this just fucking write jokes yeah and be cool with people like he he's been on rogan a bunch of times like why you even in his recent special he was like if you listen to joe rogan you're a Todd. And Joe's my friend. I was like, dude, the joke was funny. I liked it. But I'm like,

what are you doing here? Like, you're a good comedian. Just, you don't need to do that. Yeah. I don't know what you're trying to do that. We'll see what happens. Now that Mark Marin has stopped doing his press tour for his comedy special, we'll see what happens. I think we might have heard the last from Marin, but.

have you watched this special or no I did yeah was it good it has some moments on it I watched Brian Callens recently and I I love Brian Callan okay yeah I've heard

seen him live a bunch of times I talked with Brian a bunch of times he's awesome guy and that last special was it did not work well for me I don't know if I was in a bad mood but it didn't hit it so he's been talking about that on firing the kid where he has been like yeah dude i don't

know i'm not super like confident with it he's like and he's just saying it's like it's just not the era for specials it's just not the era for specials anymore it kind of seems like that though there hasn't been a really strong special for a minute i don't know what the last really good one was i think uh year the dragon was the uh the last best one nick mullin's special was fucking phenomenal dude that that's like in my opinion that's like like shane gillis live in austin level for me really yeah oh yeah oh yeah dude i can't believe i've seen this is the man but oh yeah yeah he is good yeah he is real hometown but anyway uh and and yeah and then uh even stabros i'm you know i don't know but anyway starbrose is great yeah starvros is fun uh

Adam Freeland too. We need some more. Hopefully Shane drops another one soon and and you know, look, this is the first of many. There's tension in the Rogan sphere. People are attacking it for whatever reason. What our opinions are, I mean, just from this part, it's like, I don't know. I don't know if we're defending it or just watching it. We're here to review. I'm just paying attention. It's interesting. And I'm going to. curious to see where it goes i've got a feeling ultimately joe isn't looking for a fight and he's willing to have people on and have a chat if he thinks it's worth it with marron i would

say he doesn't think it is he's like no i'm not i'm kind of done rogan said if you ran into mark he'd hug him so yeah and i believe it yeah i believe it to be true and we'll see what happens man yeah we'll see what happens well uh this was fun this was like a fun new format i think there we go more to come more to come for sure we'll have uh hopefully every week a new topic because there's dude there's so fucking much shit happening in the comedy world right now and related to rogan so i think this is like a fun thing to add to the jo rogan experience review podcast thank you everyone for listening and uh we'll see you next time thank you Later.