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This might either be the worst podcast. One. Two, one. Go. Enjoy the show. Hey, guys, and welcome to another episode of the Joe Rogan Experience Review. What's happening? This week, we're joined by Nick from lesser-known operators. He's been on the show half a dozen, dozen times. How many times you've been on about? I think I'm a semi-regular guest at this point. Enough for that to be my moniker.

I like it. And we have Derek from more plates, more dates. this time around and what's it like his fifth appearance on rogan i think i mean he is a staple he's got more than both of us combined that's for sure oh yeah yeah yeah yeah and you know i he he has such a good channel he's been around for a long time on youtube he's been really i mean he's just a brave guy like he he takes it he tackles things head on he took on John Jones thing, the PDs, and all of those testings. I mean, what did he expose Liver King to?

I mean, Liver King did a great job of exposing himself. Yeah, it was pretty obvious. You just had to look at the guy to go, I think this guy's lying or full of shit, you know. But so many people believe that. And they need somebody. I feel bad for those people. I really feel bad

Yeah, you need They're bought in You know, they dig their heels in Dude, I'm not going to lie Like this is how much of a dummy I am I want to believe sometimes That there's like some You know, liver testicle supplement

That I can take that's healthy And then all of a sudden I'm that jacked You want to believe that I do I want to believe it I know it's not possible But you know there was a part of me That's like maybe he is

I just don't know enough about that kind of thing like you know i assume people were super jacked before there were steroids it must have been away oh yeah yeah they're um getting some sleep eating enough protein working out training not having all these existential uh noise to keep you from what you're trying to do we're so distracted now people were more focused on what they were doing and uh you know it was all about surviving a long time ago and it's not about that anymore more. So we've drifted away from the necessity to focus on ourselves. We focus on everything else now. Yeah, cell phones. That's it, man. All of our business is on our phone and everything.

It's not good for you, but that's the way things are right now. There are natural ways to be big and strong, but they take a long, long time to do. And you won't look like liver king, right? Like, there's no way you can do that naturally. That's not healthy. That's not healthy. That's not I mean, I'm right at the top end of healthy for size. I'm 5-11 and 240 pounds, 9% body fat, and that's borderline unhealthy. I'm carrying around too much muscle. If you carry around too much muscle, your heart's working harder than it should to get oxygen to your muscles, and it's a strain on your organs to keep you alive, or it can be over time.

So there is a point where it all becomes unhealthy. That's why bodybuilders have a shorter light. lifespan. There is a way to do things on the right on the correct way, but, you know, that costs a lot of money as well. Yeah, but you look at like Dorian Yates and Ronnie Coleman. I mean, they, like, Dorian changed this whole thing up. So he's the British guy that was Mr. Olympian in the 90s, like, legend. But now he's like, just runs a lot, right? Doesn't lifts. He had to change things big time. And Ronnie can barely move, who was just. A specimen. I mean, that was beyond massive. The king, the king. But then you look at Jay Kotler, who is still mobile.

Yeah. Good point. He looks great. He sounds great. But he learned as the technology evolved and we got more information and the right way to do things. But the way Ronnie was king was he lifted those heavy weights. He lifted weights heavier than everybody else. He worked harder.

He ate the insane meals. That's what worked for him. So hopefully, hopefully, as we move forward, the professionals at every level will be learning from the prior generations professionals and build on that. Yeah. And then let's not forget, he also juiced himself with everything that you could possibly put into your system, I'm sure. If you got the money, take it all. Yeah, they did. So let's talk about liver king for a second, even though it didn't come up a ton on this episode.

But since Derek called them out, you know, liver king's been through a whole thing. And since it really connects with Rogan anyway and the chaos with him going down to Austin and getting arrested and that nonsense, you know, he got called out by Derek and others. Derek, you know, did like a bit of an investigative journalism and was like, he's doing this. Here are the emails. He's clearly dosing like massive amounts. of stuff too. You know, I think it was like $11,000 a month or something. He was pumping into himself, which is terrifying to think of. I mean, that's so much. A $10,000 a week cocaine habit. So who was this? I mean, Eric Clapton was spending $10,000 a

week on cocaine. So, I mean, drugs can add up. That's a good point. They're expensive. So he's doing that. And then he gets hit. And then he's like, okay, now. I'm going natty, which he like tried to persuade us that he was doing. Yet he didn't, his body didn't change at all. It is tough to shed muscle. There's ways to keep it, but you get addicted to how you look and how strong you are. And it's very easy to just continue on the path. The problem that everybody had with Liver King, it's who gives this shit if you're taking,

if you're not competing, right, if you're not in professional sports and you're not trying to be a champion at whatever your arena is, the problem is when you're fucking lying to people about your supplements being able to do what he was saying they do. And that's where you're going to upset everybody that does have a legitimate business and that does do things the right way. And they're going to come after you. The internet is undefeated. They will never, the internet has never lost a match in its entire career. Yeah, but he's also worth hundreds of millions of dollars. And he's still selling a lot of his supplements, believe it or not.

I mean, people are still somehow falling for it. I don't know if that's like good marketing or, you know, I'm not saying that like supplementing with some liver is bad. Like, it probably has value. But it's not going to make you jacked. No, getting the correct amount of sleep, hydration, electrolytes. grams of protein, staying active, taking some creatine. Those are all the things that are your best first step to getting there.

Then work out after that, get a correct workout plan where you're focusing on getting stronger. But what is it all for, right? The normal person that they're not working out for that. Do they want to look good in the mirror? Do they want to look good with no shirt on? Do they want to be able to pick up their kids? We have this unhealthy view of what we should look. like instead of what we should be fit and healthy for what is what is what is the goal for everybody right

we look at that and go oh i want you know i want to be strong like that well for what reason and and we get caught up in the things that we want more than the things we need yeah for sure i mean look if your whole image is selling those supplements and you're making hundreds of millions of dollars i'm sure it's easy to get pulled into that trap right i mean you know take what you're doing with your social media and your message and there's a part of that message that's that you know people see you you're a strong guy they know that you um were trained with the skills of special forces stuff you represent like that masculine thing it's like is there an energy to be like does it also inspire you to be like yeah i need to keep working out

I need to be strong and show people that I'm strong. You add one extra piece of that that's like, oh, if I get extra jacked, I get 10 times the followers, you know. Now, I know that's not you. I know you, Nick. You're not like fake like that. But you could imagine that that would cross people's minds, right? Absolutely. Absolutely.

It's addictive. Anybody that can get a hold to me, I'll tell you exactly what I take. I'll tell you, I'll even tell you my workouts. I'll tell you what I do, what I've done in the past as well. I don't put it out as like a public forum information, but I'm not a secret about what I do and how I work out and how I get like I am. But there's people way stronger than me and they're funnier and they make better content and things like that. And, oh, yeah, I mean, we, they brought it up in the episode, right?

Joe, Joe said, you know, you're trying to impress these people you don't even know. You know, for likes. Oh, it only got 5,000 likes. What the fuck? Okay, yeah. I can see people falling into that trap as well because, and here's one thing that I thought while he was saying that. If you want to feel more connected to humanity and a little less alone, listen to beautiful anonymous. Each week, I take a phone call from one random anonymous human being.

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I've noticed in the years I've been listening to his show that no matter how long you do something, you will forget, you are bound to forget how things were. Joe has had everything he's ever wanted for several years now, if not a couple of decades, right? Yeah. So you lose that feeling of normal everyday life, like 99% of the population of America have. Like, real life sucks. Like, it is hard. You're worried about money.

You're living paycheck to paycheck. And then you can go on your phone and just get a little happy. and see some other stuff and distract you from what you've got going on you know and for him to say like oh we get sucked into this and it's not healthy it's not this but a lot of our lives are into our phones they're they're in there and it's we're sucked into them and because real life sucks and everybody wants a distraction and I don't know I feel like I've noticed a few times where he said things where it's like yeah but because Joe you know why you think that because you have everything you want you've

had it for a long time now and it's I don't know just a little thing that I noticed when he said that sure sure I mean listen he's he has had escape velocity opportunities money and experience for a long time I feel like he

has been one of the few people that have had those opportunities that have stayed pretty grounded relatively you know but it's still must be difficult you know when was the last time he flew commercial decade ago i mean you start doing that long enough it's it's really hard to remember what it's like to you know remember what it's like to well just not want to go out to eat twice a week because a steak is expensive

like he hasn't been in that world since the 90s but it is he does not know that he came from that it's just it helps if enough if enough time passes you're going to really forget if you've spent enough time in the now you're going to forget how things you're going at least lose track of that memory you know the real severe things that happen to you people remember those acute moments but you know the feeling of the drudgery of life of of things and like that but he is smart enough to recognize that it's just something i noticed because if you're if you're in it and then you get away from it you're going to forget some of it but he you know he also needs that reality check like everybody they think and and i think he reflects but you do

catch it sometimes on the pod where yeah you know it's like two rich guys talking to each other and i start to just check out because i'm like i can't even buy a house this is annoying this is too much i meant most americans can't buy a house what did you think about the push for that new what was this drink called gorilla mind energy drink I mean it was a commercial for like 20 minutes on this podcast and it look I'm all for I'm all for promoting people's stuff but you know I've tried all the drinks they like yeah they wake you up for a bit they're not changing your life like I'm just not getting that excited about energy drinks?

Unless you are chugging on all cylinders, there are very few things in life that you can add that you're going to notice the difference. You can add creatine. You will notice a difference. You can get rid of coffee in your day and you will notice the difference because you're dependent on it. If you hydrate well or don't hydrate, you're going to notice that. If you sleep really well and don't sleep, you're going to notice those things.

but if you're not dialed in on everything where you have a good baseline of where you're at, you're not going to notice a lot of these things like those drinks. He started going off on ingredients and what they do for 10 minutes. And I went, I don't even know what the fuck this guy's talking about at this point. Yeah. He's like, oh, it crosses the blood-brain brain barrier. And I'm like, fuck, I haven't even figured out the four things ago that he said trying to get that one. And listen, I'm not saying I don't believe that he doesn't know what he's doing.

it absolutely works but also i'm like okay sure great like i also know you're selling this and i yeah what was it called red gummy fish it just sounded like a kind of gross tasting gorilla i thought i thought it was gorilla mind and that was the flavor was yeah that the exactly the flavor was that but red gummy fish flavor doesn't speak to me much sounds too sweet and maybe it's a bias maybe i should try it before i talk shit about it uh just side sidebar that's uh you you sounded you sounded a thousand years old there when you're like that doesn't sound good to me red gummy fish that means you're old and you know i don't eat candy anymore yeah no my god that's it's too sweet for me that'll i'll have to take my diabetes medicine before i get to bed if i

yeah maybe that is that but no i i i don't know i wasn't sold on i And I like the guy. So I was just like, okay, it's got a lot of caffeine. What else did he say? Like L-tyrosine. I don't know what that is. Some GPC stuff. And then did he even have any creatine?

Was it a creatine drink or no? I don't think so because he said he was drinking a bunch of them. And they went on about how many milligrams of caffeine to put in something because 200 milligrams is this happy middle ground. And you don't want to get people shaking. and you don't and you want to have enough to where people feel it the way he talks and is just so matter of fact about the supplements and what they do i believe the guy whatever he says he starts talking about him and goes this is good because it does this and this is good with

this because it does this yeah i'm sold i feel like i can trust this dude and what he says and every time he comes on it doesn't change none his his mannerisms don't change the way he speaks the cadence doesn't change and he's just very matter of fact and just go goes through it. And that's why I think people like him is because he just lays it out there of what the knowledge that he's learned in. He's obviously very well read and very highly educated in that subject. And if he doesn't know something, he will go, I don't know. Yeah, he's surprisingly smart when it comes to this. And it's interesting too because obviously Rogan has access to so many smart people, Huberman, you name it. And yet,

keeps bringing this guy on and he seems very genuine um also you know he went down that rabbit hole of like you know not being classically trained in the phd world um of like science and nutrition however was also like a jacked bodybuilder so he's like kind of done the experiments on himself which is brave there's no substitute for experience there's no substitute for experience if somebody has done the life at whatever level because body building in whatever weight class and whatever level sucks it's a it's a bulk and then a cut and then and then you're in the week leading up to the show and you're miserable and then you're about to die before you get up on stage and you got to do all this prep and everything it's terrible for your system it's

very painful but you know you're addicted to it you like doing it so if somebody's put them through a whole cycle a bodybuilding cycle and there's a lot of experience in there and lessons learned and you know you can sympathize with somebody if they're trying to go through the same thing and give them some pointers and but there's no substitute for experience when it comes to any of this stuff so you have to you know it's what i say about you know lifting weights i very seldom take advice from people who haven't at least done some of the things i've done you know if they've got a a tried and true program and then i have friends that have worked with them you out, things like that, but we all are more apt to take advice from people that have been

there and done the thing. And it seems like, it sounds like he has done the research and some experience in the area of focus that he's in. And also, you said, he's had this guy on a lot of times, he records a good episode as well. And how many people can you just call up and say, we need to record a banger and you got a new thing come on yeah and come out there because at joe's level there's you start counting up the people how many people are a plus level celebrities that can come on and get on the schedule and record an excellent episode at the drop of a half well i think there's a bad habit that takes place with um and you know maybe you can speak to this too but i notice it like when it comes to rogan guess they go on enough time

even Jordan Peterson, Lex Friedman, you name it, right? Weinstein, the rest of them. They go on initially and they went on because they're very interesting people with a lot to say. They talk about their background, their history, the whole story. But once they've been on three or four times, that's kind of done. Hey, Ontario. Come down to bed MGM casino and see what our newest exclusive the Price is Right Fortune Pig has to offer. Don't miss out. Play exciting casino based on the iconic game show, only at BetMGM. Check out how we've reimagined three of the show's iconic games, like Plinko, Clifhanger, and the Big Wheel,

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like regrowing hair or getting tanned it's like he always has like this new piece that is just different than last time and it's not just like how are the kids what are you up to what's been going on i've been watching these youtube videos about whatever he he is kind of always sticking to what we expect from him yeah you're 100% right the field is rapidly changing Even since the episode came out to now, the big thing today is that the government's going after all of these not for human consumption or non-pharmaceuticalsitically titrated peptides. That's the big thing today is now I'm watching reels right before I came on here, that the government's going to start cracking down on these pharmacies that aren't FDA certified that are making peptides. And so that's the next thing that'll come out. But aren't peptides proteins or amino acids?

Yeah, there's... They're not bad for you. Why do they care? No, they're going to crack down on these peptide producing or supplement companies that aren't FDA certified, that are just, they're making this stuff. Because there's two kinds. there's you go through a doctor and then that doctor is right through a prescription and then they comes from a pharmacy and then there's the stuff that says on it it'll say on there either for

research purposes only or not for human consumption that stuff's illegal and almost all of the peptides out there are not for human consumption or they're labeled for research purposes only and the FDA is going to start cracking down on them yeah but if it's if it's not harmful and they're good for you. Like, isn't that dumb? Imagine if, like, mushrooms are healthy, not magic mushrooms, but regular mushrooms that you put on your pizza,

and the only ones you can buy are FDA-approved and you need a prescription for it, though farmers can just grow them and sell them, and then you can eat them and they're delicious and they're healthy. It's like, yeah, I get the FDA stepping in to be like, no, you can't smoke crack. it's pretty bad

I love that thank you FDA well that wouldn't be the FDA but whoever does that it would make sense that somebody would step in to keep us safe but if they're not

actually keeping us safe assuming that these labs are maybe the labs are like not clean or they maybe the you know the percentages or whatever of whatever is in the chemical

is not good it's got like 12% of the peptide and the rest of it is some garbage. That's an issue. Like, there should be oversight. But that's a lot of... Brigham talks about that in his episode. Brigham talks about the differences in certify or facilities that are approved for making

these things and the ones that are not. So, in the ones that aren't, they're just putting together the shit in the bottle. The difference between mushrooms, you know, just something and stuff that you inject under your skin is a little bit. different of a subject. You know, when I was a kid and I'm trying to get bigger and I'm just taking some weird supplements that are coming in the mail, that's one thing. But now I'm a little older and I go, I'd really like to know what kind of medicine I'm taking here. And I'm going to go to a doctor. And I hope, and that doctor's going to get me the correct thing because

he cares about me. And I only go to somebody that I trust. They are these, some of these companies, and I would say a vast majority of them, do not give a fuck about you. I agree. They don't care about you at all. I agree. If you let that rope go a little bit, they're going to run with it and only make money. Totally. But peptides are a little different than, you know, the anabolics, right?

Like, if you're getting, like, Chinese lab anabolics, that could be real suspect. Because you would want... There was a problem in the 80s. Wait, say what? Go on. What's this thing? There was a problem in the 80s where bodybuilders were... buying wind straw and it was just that car wax that you put on your tires and they were shooting

it in their legs and they were having to get their whole quad their legs cut open because it was causing an abscess and then compartment syndrome and rotting their legs out from the inside oh yeah yeah don't get me wrong i think quality and standards are very important for sure but however peptides are just as far as i understand amino acids so unless they are just shipping out, I don't know, car tire wax, which doesn't seem necessary if you're faking. Like, I don't think peptides are all that difficult to make, honestly. Or they could be shipping out nothing. There could be nothing in it.

It could just be saline solution. That's true. And all of that. Whatever, whatever, because you just said, as we started this episode, you're like, I want to believe. and that's how people take advantage of other people is they act on the good faith and the belief of people that just will take their word for it every time in human history that we've had the chance

to create something for the betterment of human existence we've used it to kill other populations in other countries so why would history prove any different now that's true so you think that regulation across the board is better even if you can't get a hold of something that could be therapeutically benefit personally or professionally through my business

what is I say or personally just off the record no one's listening to this podcast off the record that is fucking not true you and I both know that's not true that no one's listening to this uh personally i think people should be able to go to a vending machine and buy whatever the fuck they want there shouldn't be anything that's freedom baby back people the americ you should be able to buy a fully loaded abram's tank off of buy it now on amazon uh next day shipping as long as you don't have to ikea put it together that would be annoying no no i want it i want it fully assembled

with the driver out front of my house as soon as i click by it now on my american express imagine the instructions on that being a nightmare but yeah i like that you should be able to go to a vending machine and get whatever you want this is america the the government is restricting your movements now uh if that were to let that happen would society collapse maybe um you know you got to help have people and there's a whole mess of people that do not want the best for you they don't give one shit about you and they will kill you at a moment's notice just to make some more money so you do need balance and In some cases, as much as I hate to say it, the government can prevent some bad things from happening. No, you're totally right.

You're totally right. I mean, look at the Ibegain stuff. You know, it's been really helping these military guys that was, you know, that was that, what was the Special Forces documentary? They just did on Netflix, the wind of. With waters or what waves or waves. Gosh, we're not doing it. You messaged me about it. Yeah, it was very good.

And I feel bad that I forget what it's called. But watch it, Google it, you'll figure it out. It was excellent. It's about Ibegain. You can really only get it in Mexico. There are like some places in the US, but you've got to be real careful about it. The FDA are very upset with this drug. And it's not going to kill you.

It's not even addictive at all. And it really helps these people. So I'm suspicious of why they spend really any time on this? Ibogaine's the most dangerous of all of them. That's why. I began? Yeah.

What is it doing? It's the most dangerous involved. So I had a, all right, so a little plug for myself, less than known operator's episode. Now I don't even have the episode queued up to give a plug of what episode is. But I had Matthew Butler on, and he is a former Green Beret, who is now a shaman in Utah. and oh that one was great i listened to that that was great and he said he kind of ranked him he's like he went from mildest to most serious and needs the most attention and he put ibegain at the top he

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where you need to take the most care with the people that you put under its influence because you can really fuck them up. Fair enough. Yeah, but maybe that's why. And also, these people that work at the FDA, they're just normal people that have normal lives and they probably have veteran friends that are fucked up.

And every once in a while, somebody that works for the government will get the correct information from somebody that went to one of these retreats or ceremonies and they'll go hey this is something that needs to be taken seriously and they'll take that person's word for it right that person has great influence so you don't know who's feeding what information to whom because the problem the the good thing and the bad thing about our society all the time is people people are always the best and the worst in in any

situation and we we feed off of emotions and the words of our friends and those things might be just hearsay and things like that. So, you know, it is a government entity, but it's ran by people and you don't know what information they're being fed, whether it's correct or incorrect. Yeah, that's a good point. And that's a good perspective to have because, you know, I mean, I'm more of an alternative type of thinker like Rogan in that sense. It's like easy for me to just jump on, oh, you know, pharmaceutical companies want to make money. They don't want to help us, though obviously they do, and they do save lives. There's lots of medications that are super beneficial. There are safety protocols that take place. They spend hundreds of millions of

dollars to make sure that these medications don't instantly kill us, even if taking ibuprofen every day for 10 years is not great. It probably has certain benefits for certain people, and it's not necessarily poisoning you right away. I still do jump on the alternative new hype medicine of like, oh, this is cure. You know, especially when I hear it's like helping these like PTSD ex-military people and they've had all this like suicide. I'm just like on board.

It's like all I need to hear is that. And I'm like, yes, let's go with this. But just like you're saying, There were a lot of factors, a lot of other factors involved in their safety. Not to plug another one of mine, but another guy who's another Green Beret, and he has dedicated himself to health initiatives within our special operations community. And I asked him, I said, what's the number one problem for special operators on this side of service? You know, because we've got blast, we've got amputations, we've got all kinds of shit, right?

Everything that can go wrong, you know, careers and you're losing friends, friends of suicide and all this. And he goes, man, honestly, and it's not even close. Overwhelmingly, it's child, childhood trauma. And that's before the service. So that's, it's all being exacerbated by service. And he said, that's why plant medicine is so helpful because we're using a treatment that it can actually work for these childhood traumas and actually start dealing with them and things like that. That's why you're getting into it. but he also said, these things are not a fix-all.

You still have to do all the work after you take it. And we're glamorizing, I don't know if that's the right word, these plant medicine, and people are getting the impression that I can just go take this and I'll feel better. And then, well, that's not how it works. You have to really get everything in your life put back together afterwards. Yes, you can see the path forward now and you might feel a little better, but you still have to do all the work. So I'm very supportive of anything that will help the guys.

And especially when it comes to things I can't understand, because I don't know what they're going through. I don't have those traumas. I didn't go to war. I didn't have some of these things. I understand, but I don't know. So anything that can help them with something I really don't have that bad perspective on, I'm all behind.

But again, I go back to is we have to be careful. Because, again, there's people that will take advantage of somebody that's miserable and they won't think twice about it and somebody that's hurting and just wants help I don't want guys to make it worse for themselves because that's when we see somebody check out early and that really

yeah well that brings up a big you know an important point because let's be fair when they were showing the pictures of him early on he wasn't on stuff that was prescribed by a doctor and they didn't really cover what he was on and he's talked about it openly you know Derek has

and it was like you know it's black market stuff you use in like i don't know bitcoin or some other thing to buy something off the dark web or however you get a whole of this you can get it mailed to your house again who knows if it's lab tested or what what the quality is but even if it is it's not prescribed so what's happening is is self prescribed right so let's say even me as like let's say i wanted to get on something right I'm, like, inspired by you, but I'm just going at it the wrong way, and I, like, want to just be as strong as you are. I'm like, you know what I'm going to do? I'm just going to get on all the juices.

So I Google some stuff, and it's like, right, here's all the stuff. It gives me the websites. I get on it. And I'm like, what dose? And, you know, chat GPT tells me, I don't know. You can probably trick the AIs into telling you how much to take. But you're self-prescribing. like there's no doctor in the middle being like this is how much you you can literally take as

much of that stuff as you want to you can kill yourself any the dosage makes the poison right you can you can kill yourself drinking enough water eat enough vitamin C so uh they brought it up in the episode they said guys in the past would think that this other bodybuilder or competitor had an advantage over them or they were bigger because they were taking something else or they weren't taking enough so they would just up it and that's when you would see these adverse health reactions to these guys when there wasn't a lot of this information because like 5,000 years ago you know how they found out mushrooms were poisonous for you fucking larry died that's how they found out you know and that's the same thing that happened in the 60s you know how they found out

how much test you can take well fucking jim he fucking his liver or his kidneys failed and then he fucking died a horrible, painful death. So they gain knowledge like that, trial and error. We don't have to do that anymore. We have all the science and all the blood tests and all these tests to get to see if you're, I think Derek said, a good candidate for these modalities. Yeah, and talking about good candidates, I mean, you know, let's say you and I working out together for whatever reason.

We just decided like, oh, we're going to work out together. And I'm like, God, I got to keep up with Nick. He's just getting bigger and bigger. stronger and it's like look i'm tall enough but i don't have your frame i can't hold the muscle that you do so i just think oh all i need to do is just keep uping my dose so that i can keep up with your types of lifts probably for a while it would work but just like derrick was saying genetically it's just going to stop eventually like i'm not going to have all those pieces is something's going to explode.

You, if I, if I, I don't train anybody. I don't tell anybody what to do. I tell them exactly what I do and you can do whatever you want with that information. First, if you were to train with me, I would talk you out of that mindset as much as I could. And if you didn't want to listen to me, then that's fine. And then, but if you didn't, you're like, oh, I'm going to, I'm going to catch up to you. Then I would explain to you how if you jump on performance enhancing drugs, your joints will not keep up with your muscles. So your chance of injury goes up like 400%. So it's best to use a

slow, gradual approach to try and get to where I am, as opposed to trying to jump and gain things by taking substances or overdoing it. So yeah, you can do that, but doubling the amount of muscle you have and strength increases your chance of getting injured by four times. these things don't build your connective tissue as fast as they build your muscle so you can blow out your shoulder blow out your hip you know you'll see you'll see people snap bones as well they'll have too much weight on there and their impact they're not used to the impact of that much weight and they'll fucking snap bones and shit oh so those youtube no instagram videos of someone doing like your leg press and it just freaks me out I posted a video today I was you know because people, they'll message me, I train legs full range of motion to the point where it looks like I'm going to break my knees. But I've been doing this for a long time. And I know that that's the way I can train. So I just put out a video today. It's like, I tried to break my knees today. I was unsuccessful. And people are so upset because you can't do it like that. No, you can't do it like

that. I can do it like that. I can do that like that because I know what I'm doing. I've been doing this for 25 years now of lifting and I'm used to it but people think again with these with plant medicine with peptides with steroids and all these other things but it's just this magic pill um hey ontario come down to bedmgm casino and see what our newest exclusive the price is right fortune pig has to offer don't miss out play exciting casino games based on the iconic game show only at bed MGM. Check out how we've reimagined three of the show's iconic games like Plinko, Clifhanger, and the Big Wheel into fun casino game features. Don't forget to download the BetMGM Casino app for exclusive access and excitement on the Price is Right Fortune Pick. Pull up a seat and experience the Price is Right Fortune Pick, only available at BetMGM Casino.

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nobody sees the meals and the fucking waking up early and going to do cardio and you don't want to do it and all this other shit lifting weights is fun that's the start you show off you get to lift the weights but it's just like your mental health or your fucking relationships or everything else in your life all the boring shit is what matters not the fucking fun shit yeah but it's so addictive for some people and you know i remember being in my only 20s and like back then you could get oh man gnc was like off the hook with the stuff you could buy man it was like g2 explosion nuclear blast supplement well they were right about jack 3d that was jack 3d is still talked about in military meme circles did you ever try it was yeah fucking that she'll kill

you man remember a fedra remember you would i remember when i was a high school wrestling dudes would be taken hydroxy cut i think which had a fedra in it or some shit yeah yeah to lose weight yeah and that's when four loco had like six energy drinks and in a case of beer in it for you know one four loco and then you'd have jack three d a four loco and some ophedra all in one day because you just wanted to kill yourself but you didn't know it was in that shit nobody knew it was in it dude i went to the gym one time and we had a guy in there that was like a local bodybuilder he was a big guy. He was on TV in England on this game show called the golden joystick. It was like a video game one. And he would come out wearing like a welding mask, but just looked jacked. And he would

award the nerds that won the video games competition, this golden joystick, right? It was just the thing he did. But he worked out in our local gym. And he gave me like five Ephedra Tavit tablets once and he was like just take these not a big deal and the way he gave it to me was like oh this is normal just work out with this and i remember i was like 21 and i was getting strong you know and i and i was working out a bit but i hadn't i hadn't like done some like um personal best lifts and i took one of those and that day i benched like 315 once which for me was a lot like especially back then like it was a ton of weight and it was just pure insanity i remember my brain just going you can do it you could probably do twice this i was probably

on the verge of a heart attack definitely definitely where you took years off your life probably that day don't say that i've taken someone that's 10 no okay you added years to your life you're so it's actually good for you. You're right. That's that it was helpful. But it is wild that yeah, that that stuff was just floating around back then. You could just get a whole of the craziest so. GNC was out of control. How is it still in business? All right. All right. Here. Now let's let's take what you just said in this subject about how things were back in GNC and now apply it to what I just told you about peptides and what's being put out to the market and the FDA's cracking down on them. Okay, in the past, you could buy actual steroids and fucking speed

from GNC and because it was the Wild West and now right now is the Wild West of peptides and the FDA's like we gotta fucking stop this so what the fuck's going on there that they're seeing that we're not seeing is there actually horse tranquilizers in there that they're selling to people are people getting

hurt that we're not hearing about in the news with these peptides so if in the past these companies snuck fucking drugs into these things because nobody was watching them what makes you think that people aren't sneaking shit now into the stuff that they're putting out with no regulation. Well, I think the difference is this.

What they were trying to gain back then was like you take something and you feel instantly different. You feel like super jazzed. You're fucking popping out of your eyeballs and it's full of nitrogen or whatever they used to put that stuff in. And I don't know, you got huge zits on your back because it's like causing some physiological effect. The peptide stuff is for healing. It's not to make you jacked. So they would literally have to add... I get it.

I get what you're saying. But they would have to add something for no reason, which would cost money. So it either does nothing like you said. Or add nothing. But if it does nothing, that's better than popping your heart out of your body. Is it ethical? And then as he said, as Derek said...

I'm not saying it's good. It's not good. This one real said, they go, the FDA, these big companies have these patents. And now that they're going to start producing peptides on a large scale, well, you've got to get rid of all the illegal shit, too. And who's paying the FDA's lobbyists and things like that? Well, that's why I'm more suspicious. That's why I'm most suspicious. The rich and powerful have always ruled the world, Adam.

You as a Brit should know that. that sounds that sounds anti-colonialism i'll take it oh i'm over here in a in america i'm mostly british actually so okay all right all right look i'm not i'm not pro them either there's a reason i fled the country um no you look you're right i want i want regulations on these things um i don't like the idea of being able to buy definitely the anabolic's offline online, I mean, and I don't know some of the names of the other ones, Dinah Ball or Tren or this type of stuff. Like, that seems like a bad move to be able to get that.

Of all the ones to take, if you're listening at home, you take anything from this interview and you're a bodybuilder or you're getting in the blink, put Tren at the end of the list. You do not need that one. That one is the worst one. What does it do? it can can fuck with your lung

they all can they all if you take too many of them I don't even have the fucking stuff shit in front of me anymore about what it will do to you wait why is it bad for your lungs you get this you get this cough you get this mucusy cough when you're on trend and it's anyway I've sampled it

I don't recommend it okay no that's good that's enough I'm not going to try it I want to stay away from it professionally go see your doctor and consult with a medical professional yeah and i agree with you like be careful with those websites online it seems just like an unnecessary risk you know i don't think it's going to be that long before you can get i'm pretty sure you can already get good peptides from the fda can't you uh my sponsor for my show is a green beret that is now a medical doctor in

North Carolina. He's licensed in 30 states, and he gives me my TRT and my peptides. There we go. Plug it. Precision Wellness Group out of Southern Pines, North Carolina, by Dr. Taylor Bosley. Oh, nice. Yeah. I mean, that has to be the better move. I mean, sure, it may not be the cheapest way to go, but I think that they are doing a pretty good job bringing these prices down. I saw something yesterday where you could be on, if you're an older gentleman, or just have low TRT, you can be on it for like 90 bucks a month, which, yeah, it's not nothing, you know, but I think that if you could figure it in your budget, and especially if you drink or have some other, you know, bad habits that cost money, if you could switch that to TRT, and the doctor thought that it was a good move for you to get on it, that's a great switch. You said drink there.

Well, alcohol is expensive. People think that a lot of these things are going to fix all of their problems. But if you have a drinking problem or you have an addiction that you can't get over, there's nothing that's going to get you off of that until you solve problem A. then you can move on to problem B and things like that. But that's what I found. Like when I was, when I was drinking,

the only thing that made me better was quitting drinking. And then I can move on to the next problem and start making the rest of my life healthier. But, you know, and that's a decision I had to make. I had to change because I was nobody else. There was no influence. Anybody was going to say anything to me.

It's because people don't change unless they have to or want to. And that's what I help with my stuff, right? That's why I tell that everybody, exactly what I've been through and what I go through and what I take is because I am not going to sway anybody's opinion going forward in life. All I can do is try and be a better example. So people will want to make a decision on their own that'll work for them telling people or because people don't read and they don't listen, but they will watch what you do and they hopefully

will be inspired by what you do. And that's why I am the way I am with what I do. That's a great message, man. And, you know, that's why I think Derek coming on Rogan, you know, he does something similar. You know, he's been through it. He's been through the juice. He's taken a step back. He does it healthy. He wants to tell us how to do it. I mean, you know, Nick, I haven't known you that long. You've been an inspiration to me. It's knowing people that inspire you in the right direction, just like you said. Like, you've never told me anything. You've never said, Adam, do this or do that. But you just represent. You do your, you do your. You do your. thing and you show it online you show it in our conversations you always bring it and there's no bullshit and that message is better than anything i appreciate that thank you all right guys well thank you so much for listening check out this episode i really liked it i would give this i like Derek, I like him a lot. I give it an 8 out of 10, for sure.

Big fan. Anything to get more information to the health and wellness of people is in the 80s at least. Let's go. All right. Thank you so much. We'll talk to you next time, guys. Later.