Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 486 JRE Review - 2025 Year End Recap!

Episode Date: January 6, 2026

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What a bizarre thing we've created. Now with your host, Adam Thorn. This might either be the worst podcast or the best one a long time. one go enjoy the show hey guys and welcome to a special episode year end special episode of the joe rogan experience review we are ending out 2025 with a look back on how the year came about and went in the rogan sphere joined this week uh by peter who did a lot of episodes with me, the beginning of last year, kind of beginning to mid. What's up, Pete's?

Not too much. Happy to be here. Thanks for having me back. Welcome back. Welcome back. Made sense to have you on since you did some of the pinnacle episodes with me last year. And, yeah, what an interesting year for Rogan. I mean, you know, Rogan is on his 15th, 16th year of doing the part.

I would say, you know, there's been a bit of a shift in a lot of ways. I mean, for a lot of people, he's been getting somewhat more controversial the last, say, five years plus, but that there seems somewhat of an energy shift with people online. I don't know exactly what it is, but are you sensing some of that? I do, I do sense that. It's kind of like less, less controversial conspiracies like UFOs and pyramids and lizard people and more like AI going to kill us all or were ran by an elite government that doesn't care about our health or like us at all. So it's like that kind of vibe. Yeah. Yeah. And I think also there's like a shift. I think the fans that originally were drawn to Rogan in the early days, like the 2009, 2011 fans, like those people that were captured back then, those same people hearing it today, I don't mean the same people from back then, but the same types of people that would be jumping on Rogan today, I think they're hearing it.

of him different. Obviously, Rogan's older. He's in a different place, but he's talking about different things. Back then, it was just, you know, smoking weed, talking to comedians, talking about mushrooms, talking about DMT, aliens, you know, whatever types of conspiracies, but again, not so much the government ones, maybe a bit of JFK, just kind of fringe stuff, more loosey-goosey, little wacky. Charles Manson. Yeah. He wasn't his kind of sometimes angry about things.

It seems like he had more fun up until about 2016. He started to get serious. And then it's almost like a bigger job for him. Maybe he doesn't care for it anymore. Well, it's certainly more pressure, right? I mean, it's so big now. I mean, how else could he navigate it? I still think he navigates it really well for what it is.

But, I mean, this is uncharted waters for anybody. I mean, this is, he's the most listened to human being that has really ever existed, you know. It's true. That's basically it. The most listened to human ever. That is what a claim to fame. That's a huge achievement. Yeah.

And that's an insane amount of pressure for anybody to stay even remotely normal. right and you know when you think about it i mean swaying elections swaying elections in countries like the united states i think he did it i think that was a big part of it i mean our president just went in and took another prime minister of another country oh yeah and joe might have helped put him in that position so he's indirectly helped venezuela to be overthrown? Yeah. No.

I mean, there's an argument to be made. I mean, the gold, what is that? The butterfly wings flap on one side of the earth and it creates a hurricane on the other side. There we go. Although he's a little bit bigger than a butterfly. He is. He's a ginormous butterfly, flapping a lot of wings.

Causing all sorts of things to go on. And, you know, it's somewhat undeniable. I mean, in a way, this is why I do this show and have been. running this little examination since 2017. I mean, that's a long time. Yeah, it is. It's almost 10 years I've been doing this. I mean, I'm stretching it out.

It just became 2026, but I like to do that. Roundup makes me sound like I'm working hard. Round up. Let's round up. Have a round up. But, yeah, I mean, let's take a look at this year. I mean, let's run some numbers for a start. I mean, over 2 billion views across platforms like Spotify, Apple, YouTube, 2 billion.

That's a lot. That's McDonald's serves one billion a day. Joe Rogan gets 2 billion. Yeah. I mean, let's just do some basic podcast math on that. I mean, I'm a podcast that I know roughly what we get paid. and if we I mean

I don't know exactly how that would break down for YouTube and then I know Spotify doesn't quite pay the same but let me just his numbers are they are not growing

some some of them do achieve huge numbers like the the Elon episode with I think what 50 million views plus but his other his other numbers are dwindling you think so I think I know so

oh Spotify cut his deal not in half but they they've renegotiated for less you know this for sure because I think their last deal it was it was just as big if not more and he had

more rights like he was able to put it on, back on Apple and on YouTube and other places. Now he gets access to YouTube money. It may have been old information. I was listening to today. Okay. I'm a year old. I don't know. Okay. What I mean, the Elon Musk episode alone, 50 million plus views. That's huge. So, um, you know, in terms of YouTube views, that's massive. Um, the Trump episode, technically that was 20, the end of 2024, but it was still growing very large at the beginning of 2025, so we're going to count that one. That one was growing it on YouTube alone at a million downloads a day. And that's one of the fastest growing videos I've ever seen, other than probably like a Mr. Beast.

Right. I mean, Mr. Beast videos are grown real fast, but that's, you know, teenagers and eight-year-olds watching that. It's a little bit different. Yeah, it turns out that eight to 16-year-olds drive the internet views. They do. I did not know that. Oh, yeah, dude. Have you ever seen those unboxings of, like, Disney toys?

It's just like someone's hands and they open a box. Yeah, there's like 100 million views on those things. Yeah, I've seen, I've seen a... Miss Rachel. Roblox, just like people playing it and filming themselves, talking about it. Yeah. Whatever Roblox says. Just a bunch of blocks on a road.

Game. Millions of views. Oh, yeah. I mean, you know, why look after your kids when you can give him an iPad? Here, here. Just hand it over. But, look, he's still making massive numbers, and he's still the number one podcaster in the world by a long way.

And that's the thing. I mean, I'm pretty sure that you could have his download. and he'd still be beating everybody. So even if he is on a bit of a down swing, and I'm not saying he is, I don't know, he's still going to be holding that top spot for a while. I mean, he's going nowhere fast. I mean, he was just so far out ahead.

The thing about the online thing, and you see it with Elephant Graveyard, you were mentioning a video, who was that guy? Podcast cringe. There we go. And, you know, I'm sure that these people were fans of Rogan and the Rogan sphere in the past, because when they do videos of kind of mocking that space, they have so much information. This podcast is brought to you by Chime. Chime is changing the way people bank. Fee-free and smarter banking built for you.

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They're so in depth. Yes. And they have such solid history that you can tell they've been studying this for a long time. And, you know, they're not casuals. They didn't just jump in as haters and then do a bunch of research. No. They're people that have known their space for a while. And for whatever reason have just gone sour on it, have lost some faith.

and when I talk to you know I get emails all the time because with the Joe Rogan experience review and either people think that we're Rogan and send us emails or they know it's us and just want to give us some feedback and I mean it's like hundreds a day I can't read them all you know I see him come in when I go to the our website and look at the emails and I'll check them every now and again but you know there is some frustration with like the billionaires that he has on him buddy buddying up to them, you know, people see that as a bit of like sellout move. You know, I'm pretty neutral to that. I would imagine that it's pretty interesting hanging out with billionaires or like, you know,

being able to text them and asking them some questions or go into some of their parties. I mean, you know, you got to be a little careful. I don't think he's like in bed with them, so to speak. And he was just recently talking some shit about Trump going off the deep end. So he's not kissing his ass all the way. And that, in a sense, would be probably quite a positive financial move for him to keep Trump quite happy. Because Trump can get pretty pissed off with people and get quite vindictive. Oh, yeah.

But, you know, Rogan's being Rogan. And he's like, that looks wacky. He also does have, he does have, fuck you money. And he said that before. and he likes to use it. Yeah. He says no whenever he wants. Mm-hmm.

So I think he just has a real curiosity, and some of these people are interesting to him. But that's my opinion. Other people aren't seeing it like this. And I think that's why some people are getting frustrated. And there occasionally is some energy from Rogan on pods where you can tell he gets stuck on an issue

and he really hops on about it. And there seems like there's some anger there. And it's like the, often it's the California stuff. California, he's bitter about that. I have some of that energy, though. I live there. I went through the COVID stuff. He's human.

It's real. Like, you know, people felt really fucked over by what went on there. But I think if you're a listener and you didn't go through that and you had nothing to do with that in that space. It probably gets old. Yeah. You know? Another thing that sours people's listening is, and this isn't too much anymore,

but he launched like five careers in stand-up and podcasts, you know, two bears, one cave with Tom Seguer and Brooke Crusher. Mm-hmm. And they have just milked that thing and are no longer relevant, and they're not funny. Maybe never were. I think there's one special that I liked about Tom with Tom's. The Fighter and the Kid. Oh, they've done, they've done themselves in, for sure.

So, like, they're kind of hitched to Joe's wagon, and that is dragging, that has dragged him down a bit. Sure. With people looking into newbies. Yeah. But, you know, that's a hard rap for him, really, because Joe is responsible in a lot of ways for a bunch of, of podcasts, really. I don't know if he can take credit for Hubermans, but I think that he was a big motivator in getting Andrew Huberman to start. That's a top 10 podcast. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure he was a big motivator in getting Theo to start. That's a top three podcast.

That's a silly one. I like his. That's Jordan Peterson for sure. Lex Friedman. for sure um i would imagine um ben Shapiro for sure uh Jordan Peterson changed the game did I say that yeah uh what about jocco definitely jocco definitely Camhane so because there's so many there's gonna be some bad eggs in there oh Steve Ronella's podcast which is so there's excellent ones that have stood the test of time. They've added a lot of great value and have some just fantastic episodes and are very useful. And a lot of credit should go to Rogan for that. And yeah, there are some friends of his that it turned out to be grifters. But to be honest, Fighter and the kid, when it started, it wasn't all bad. They were quite funny at first.

and they had some pretty decent episodes. It's like they themselves got ahead of them. Like, they got too big of, full of themselves. It kind of seemed like they were just reading the comments and then talking about the comments. Yeah, it just got really empty. And then they ran out of their own kind of material. And two bears actually started off pretty decent.

They had some stuff. Yeah. Burke has about 15 minutes of funny things to say. and then he just talks about himself for two hours. Mama's house was pretty good at first as well. That I had some moments. Oh, him and his wife? Yeah.

But again, you know, it's like it's hard to keep these things going. And, you know, is Rogan responsible for all of those sorts of things? It's almost like having a comedy club and let's say, you know, Kill Tony ends up being a huge dud or like something on that show becomes massively problematic. Is that Rogan's fault? Or did he just give people the opportunity? The fact that Kiltony has become a massive, massive event that sells out arenas, you know, that itself has become something instead of people praising it and going,

wow, this is like not really stand up, but it's entertainment. Right. It's mostly just shit on by everybody. Well, it's mostly crap now. As far as the people that bucket pulls are hit or miss, you know? You're sure. It's funny when the panel craps on them, or they got Shane Gillis or Adam Ray. Those guys are legends.

But it was never meant to be great because of the one-minute bucket pulls. That's not what it was supposed to be. What is it about? Well, it's supposed to be, well, I used to go watch it when there was like 50 people in the audience in the belly room of the comedy store, when like you could go up there right before the show starts and they still had tickets left because it was just not a big show back in like 2016, 2017. What, it was open micers. You know, they'd have 25 people sign up for it. It wasn't like proper comedians. actually have pretty decent comedians generally signing up. I mean, they're not professional

comedians for the most part. Sometimes they get them. It's L.A. at the comedy store, so. Exactly. But they were mostly open micers. So the idea was it was almost always set up for a minute of bombing and then a panel of professional comedians to just kind of rip on the person that did a minute. It was kind of set up to be a cruel show in a sense. Unless the person was kind of good. And then they would be encouraging and see if they could find some talent. That was the idea. And there have been some gems. Yes. Like the sky with cerebral palsy is hilarious. He's great. His timing is off, but that's not his fault. He's doing his best. He's doing his best. But yeah, they have had a few people come through. And then there's also

like a very particular style that's come out of it too. It's like a roasting style. And, you know, It's just as different. It's a whole different kind of setup of entertainment. The Austin style where Shock and awe is a name in the game. It's a little bit like that. Yeah. And I get it too. I get it.

If people are like really into stand-up, especially Polish professional stand-up, that's not what that kind of show is. You know, another show I used to go watch at the comedy store that I loved, Jeremiah Watkins show stand-up on the spot where they would take actually, you know, headliners, professional comedians, and people would shout things out from the crowd. Oh, yeah. And then you have to riff. You can't use your material.

And, you know, that really sets you up for some really awkward. Wacky sets. Well, sometimes they go nowhere, but sometimes you get some gems because these guys are good. I think I saw Harlan Williams doing one of those. Oh, he's good. I bet he was excellent. He makes you cringe. He's like, this whole bit about his sister got her legs chopped off.

He doesn't even have a sister. Right. But it was like, he was hilarious. He's very good. He's actually very good on Kill Tony as well when he's on that. I saw him live at the mothership when I took the team down there. And he was just killing all of us. It was some of the funniest stuff I've ever seen.

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kill tony isn't for the polish performer that's not what that setup is it also is different than stand-up comedy in the purestance so i do miss jokes yeah when when tony tries i mean listen And Tony often doesn't even tell one joke the whole episode. He just kind of shrieks and ha ha. Oh, he's just hosts. He's just like, and up next. We got Puerto Ricans on the thing. He loves that Puerto Rican joke.

Well, look, let's look at some of the episodes from the year that really stood out. I mean, starting off the year early on February, episode 2.2, 181. Elon Musk came on. Yeah, three-hour banger. Came on, I mean, started talking about Doge, what the Doge thing was going to start to be. And, yeah, what was your take on the whole Doge thing? I mean, look.

The Doge coin? No, no, no. Oh, Doge? Yeah. Where he was like analyzing the goal. government. Well, it's too big to, too failed to fix. It is a pipeline.

This is what he thinks. It's a pipeline for laundering money, our money, to the powers it be. Yeah, he thinks it's fucked. It's all, it takes all our money and gives it to other countries. I think that he had a suspicion, but now he knows for sure. And he has proof. He went in there, he downloaded it all. He got deep.

And he's like, oh, this is a mess. I'm going to Maz. And then he was like, all of a sudden, black eye. Got a black eye. He got too deep, got too vocal, and somebody. Yeah. Probably Hillary. Somebody punched him in the face.

I said that. I had my theory, right? I said that to the wife over Christmas. I was like, look, somebody punched him in the face. He got in deep. He's the richest guy in the world. And people more powerful than him were like, whack. Shut up.

something about it. And she was like, that is ridiculous. It says online that his kid accidentally whacked him in the face. I go, do you think that a little kid could whack me in the face and give me a black eye? It's way more fun to have these conspiracies than it is just accept whatever. Well, that's a conspiracy too, couldn't it? The kid. Yeah. What a lazy cover-up that is. I don't know. Do you remember when George Bush, got a black eye? There's a thing called the black eye club.

Supposedly he choked on a pretzel and passed out fell over and gave himself a black eye. We've talked about this before. I don't trust it. We've talked about this before.

The black eye club and like every powerful person has had a black eye. I've had a black eye but it was from jujitsu. How does it work? What's that club then? Someone punches you in the face?

Look it up. The black eye club. But what is, how's it work? It's like the most powerful people in the world show up one day with a black guy. And they have to go into public. And they're just like, yep, explain it or don't explain it. They all have had it, like, you have to take, like, a punch to the face.

I think someone's like, eventually they think they're too powerful. Is there just one guy that does it? The, like, the wrecker. Yeah, this is one dude. He's at a great overhead right. He's got a big old left hand. Big country right to the head. Yeah.

Well, it was on his right eye, so I'm thinking it's a left-handed guy. Oh, yeah. Yeah, because you wouldn't punch. Unless they just stand to your right side. Sorry, I'm overthinking this. We're overthinking this one. I'm overthinking it. But I want to know how the club works.

It's probably has something to do with humiliation rituals and bowing to power. There we go. Yeah, but, you know. Look it up, somebody. When he came on and, you know, Rogan, and push back a little bit on that episode because, you know, Elon was talking about how frustrated he was that people were so pissed off with him and also, well, you know, protesting at Tesla dealerships, burning them, you know, remember when all that was happening.

Shooting. That was kind of wild. Incredible. And, you know, drawing swastikas on the cyber truck. seemed like mainly the cyber trucks they didn't like really getting frustrated with him and that one I kind of didn't get other than he was working with Trump

but just auditing the government seemed like a good move and they didn't want any piece of that did they they don't want an audit they want to audit me for making $700 they don't want to audit big business for me making $7 billion, paying $100,000 in taxes. I wonder why you didn't find any of the Somalian stuff.

Is that in a different system? I think that that would have to be, well, I mean, that's probably a Minnesota-specific. Oh, that's true. He was looking more federal level. There are tons of those. And there's a thing coming out recently that's, it's fun, it's operated by the government. The Somalians are not known for their craftiness in, With pushing paperwork, this is all funded by someone else.

Funding money is somewhere else. And I don't want to get you in trouble anymore, so I'm not going to say who I think it is. Don't do it. Up next, Mel Gibson's episode, 2254. Now, this was interesting because didn't Trump, like, nominate unofficially Mel Gibson to be like the Hollywood ambassador? Remember that?

I do not remember that. Yeah, that was like an unofficial role that he gave. It was like he represents Hollywood through the administration somehow. I don't know what that meant or what that did, but Mel Gibson was very excited to do it. There was some conspiracy vibes in there, a little bit of backlash against Hollywood, some raw talk. You know, I mean, it's Mal Gibson's, so he's going to do that. The Gibbs. And kind of talked about the machine.

controlling tinseltown and um i don't know they talk a little bit about epstein files and the whole thing in there um but yeah yeah some of that kind of control over hollywood he he basically got canceled right like yeah but he's mostly back i's mostly back i think he apologized enough and laid low and did he sober up mostly i think he uh stopped drinking and dry driving. There we go. It's kind of all you have to do, really. You should do that. Definitely do that. Keep it at home. Yeah. You know, he's getting older. He still looks great. I mean, look, if you're drinking and then also find yourself saying some outrageous things, cut back. That's your first sign. That's a warning sign. I think I had a few of those. There was, you know, well, you need to cut back, sir. It's dry January. All right. Dry January. You got to do it. What are we?

We've five days in? I've done two days out of five. There we go. Still shaking. No, I'm drinking these NAs. They kind of do the trick. It's helping. Combocha.

That's what you want to go to. Technically, kombucha is like an N.A. It has a, it's alcoholic, right? It has a little bit. Like a 0.5%. 0.5%. But yeah, he felt like Mel Gibson was doing better on this episode of this year. When he was on before, he was clicking a,

a pen a lot and uh you know he was talking about his dad and he was clicking a pen a lot and it was kind of annoying but um did it have to joe did jamie say something no nobody said anything because it's mal gibson and you you wouldn't say that but but he was a little bit more coherent he had some good stories and uh it was you know it was a big episode then around the same time mark zuckerberg came on and i don't know if you're if it was just because, you know, Elon was coming on and Trump just had, and it was like a big player billionaire time. But the Zuck was coming in as Zuckerberg 2.0. The cool one. Yeah, this is the cool where he had the gold chain. And he's talking about jujitsu. And he

wanted to pretend that he knew how to bow hunt and Joe kind of called him out on that. Like, hey, what kind of bow do you got? And Zuck's like, oh, I don't remember. And he's like, what kind of release do you have? And Zuck had no idea what he was talking about. And it just didn't go over well. It fell flat. Well, look, you can't bullshit Rogan. Not on bow hunting.

But here's the thing. That's the biggest thing he likes. I think the mistake that Mark made, he obviously done some research. He has legitimately been training some jiu-jitsu and training with some great guys and showing up to the UFC. So he's been doing some stuff. I think he does MMA. He does. Yeah, he does. And he trains with some good guys, like Volk and some solid competitors. However, I think that he's so used to being interviewed or talking to people that mostly just ask him the right questions, softballs, or don't really, like, press him too hard to kind of like, almost to like the interrogation stage, that as long as he does enough research to make it seem like he's learned.

something about what you're into, what they're talking about, then that's enough for him to sound legit. The problem is Rogan doesn't work like that. Rogan's going to make sure that you know what you're talking about. Wait a minute. He's like, excuse me. What? Thumb release?

Yeah. He's like, I play Paul. What kind of poor cue you got? What kind of weight is that? In 2017. What kind of chalk do you have? Yellow. All the wrong answers.

And it, it did, it did just, he basically just turned back into Zuck 1.0, which was NerdZuck. That's a very human response of you, Zuck. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, look, with Jeff Bezos, say what you want about him. I buy Bezos 2.0. When he showed up just looking jacked, new wife, super yacht, looking like, you know, a bond villain.

He's leaning in. I was like, cool. He looks badass. He looks like a cool. He just, I mean, do you remember how much of a nerd he looked like before? He was a librarian. Basically. And now he's just like, bam.

I mean, Zuck trying to do it. He's just, he's doing everything to pull that off too. he's surfing, surfing with a beer on 4th of July, wearing like an American flag suit. I mean, he's putting it out there. He's doing his best. However, B minus. Sorry. Sorry, buddy.

I'm sorry. Don't ban me from Instagram, but B minus. B minus. Moving on into the year, June, episode 23, 41, we're just doing my favorite ones. All the ones that really stood out. Bernie Freakin Sanders. I quite like this one. I like that he has Bernie on.

Joe respects Bernie, right? Whether you're a fan of Bernie or not, you know, I like a lot of Bernie's integrity. He's the same guy he's been since like 75 for good or for bad, you know. Lifelong politician. Exactly. Never had a job. Never worked a day of his life. And he comes on and, you know, and Rogan did.

pushed back a little bit over some things. The climate stuff, he kind of brought some points up about, kind of push back about. But Bernie brought up some points that were pretty decent, honestly, just about the wealth inequality, you know. And there is some pretty alarming data right now about the massive wealth inequality. It's, you know. The very richest people freaking have. all the money and everyone else is just broke 99% of the money 1% of the population yeah and we the rest of us have nothing but basically all slaves and I think slaves per capita made more money than us somehow they're who what some slaves are doing have done better than our life we're wage slaves yep not you and I dude I saw this thing about taxes the

other day. And by the time you take everything in, all the taxes in that we pay, not just like the federal tax or the rest of it, but it's like sales tax and then the taxes on the taxes and every single tax. It's like 70% of everything that we make ends up being paid to some tax. And then they buy a $1,000. Think about that. That's like, what is that? Like eight, nine months of the year, we work for nothing. That really is a type of slavery. Kind of makes me not want to work at all. It's shocking. But what I do? You got, you got, you got, kibbles not not free. Yeah. I got a dog, you know. It makes you think that you shouldn't work for eight months, then just work for four. Oh, wouldn't that be nice? That'd be great. Let's figure that one out

here soon. Yeah. Ending off the year, of course, we had Shane Gillis in December. That was a nice treat. That just happened recently. We need to review that one actually coming up. A bit of comedy gold. Some wild stories, of course. Got into some woke mob stuff and hit a little bit of, you know, Trump madness. They went over what Trump's been doing in the White House, knocking down that building. Fall asleep at the wheel.

And also, you know, Epstein not releasing the list. And those plaques, President plaques? Ridiculous. That's ridiculous. You can't do that. Change history? You can't write those things. He's an excellent guy.

A dog of a wife. Worst president ever. Total disaster. And somehow Trump is mentioned in all of the ones, even throughout history. The George Washington one, it's like, he would have loved Trump if he had known Trump, but he didn't know Trump. The best hair next to Trump. Yeah.

I don't know. I don't know who's let him get away with this. I guess no one can stop him at this point. No. He's absolutely. He's a madman. The fact that the picture of Biden is the autopen is, I mean, funny.

You know, objectively funny. Very funny. Like, you have to say that. But it is wild. That is like an onion story. but it's real life. Even the onion wouldn't have thought of that. We have a, we don't have a serious culture.

It's a whack-a-doo time. We're doing the UFCs in the White House next year, on the lawn. Could you imagine anything like that? As long as my boy John Jones gets back up there, I'm in. I think he's gonna. He's got to. I think he's getting up there, you know? And then they talk about the state of politics

and like kind of where things have been and where it's going. And it's, you know, they talk about, you know, Catholic presidents, right? JFK was the first. Didn't last long for whatever reason. And technically Biden was the second, but I guess he's not like super Catholic. He wasn't particularly devout Catholic. Wasn't all in.

But then, you know, just kind of talking about that whole religious aspect of things. And then, you know, where is politics going and who's following who these days? They even bring up some Fuentes stuff. Like, who are the new leaders that are coming forward? I mean, you know, so much pushback against Nick Fuentes and for good reason. I mean, he really riles people up and says some outrageous things. But at the same time, you watch the P.S. Morgan interview. and the styles are so different that it's almost like Trump-esque in the debates.

Right. It doesn't make Trump more right. It doesn't make his answers more correct. It doesn't even make them more acceptable. They're less acceptable. But they're arguably winning the debates. Yeah, the accusations fall flat. They seem drummed up.

And also, what issue? are we even talking about? Yeah, he's just dodging them left and right and then he becomes president. And it seemed like Nick is just dodges everything Pierce gave him. And then hammers Pierce about five things. You look online and overall people are like, Pierce looked like an idiot. And it's like, wait a second, what? How did that happen? You give that 20 years. Who knows who's paying attention to that. Like, is, is there this new kind of generation coming in looking at different things? It's a big question and possibly a scary one that people should pay attention to. I don't know. I don't know. Another really inspirational one in December, Jelly Rolls lost like 250 pounds. He's lost another

person. He's got a, he's at Ozympic eyes, doesn't he? Yeah. He didn't take it, supposedly. Did it naturally. Cocaine? No, supposedly just die and exercise. I don't believe him. Well, I don't think Joe is a liar, and I don't think jelly roll is. So I'm on jellies.

Okay. We're going to have to agree to disagree about this one. Jelly's side. He can't really call him jelly roll anymore, and he's a new nickname. Lobster roll? No, it's got to be like a thinner one. diet roll fruit by the foot

smaller we're not good at we're not good at this but yeah he's lost a bunch he really talked I mean he talked honestly he talked openly he was humble he said I was gonna die

oh you know I couldn't you know have sex with my wife I couldn't focus I couldn't perform I couldn't do much. I wonder if he could cut out drinking. Was that his thing? Was he a drinker?

Yeah, I think he was drinking in drugs. You know, there's a lot going on. I mean, he was doing everything wrong. He was eating horrible food. I mean, tons of sugar. He said he couldn't even see properly. He couldn't even see colors. Yeah.

Because there's a glaucoma or diabetic blindness? Probably, yeah. Probably like, you know, type 7 diabetes of that. that way. A side effect of Ozypic is blindness. But that's actual blindness, not color blindness. I'm not a scientist. All right.

But he said, yeah, supposedly, once he, like, cleared that up, he could, like, see just much better. He got, like, crayons and coloring books. Yeah, he, like, got into it. It was, like, color and all kinds. I caught a clip of him almost weeping about. a woman he's never met, Mitzi Shore. Did you remember that part where he was like, I just can't believe the love you guys have for this lady?

Mm-hmm. I just thought that was odd, like, to be kind of reclumped over a woman you've never met. Well, I mean, he goes to Rogan's Club, and they have a bar there called Mitzi's Bar. Uh-huh. So she owned the comedy store. Right. That's Polly Shaw's mom.

Right. And, you know, she was like the, the you know the mother of comedy for all these guys so they they really admire her and joe does a lot so they she was great you know rogan is someone that jelly roll really looks up to and he's probably inspired him a great deal to get his life together at least in terms of health and weight that is one thing that rogan is awesome at he's very good at that getting people motivated to no doubt to change the life for the better Come on.

For sure. And I'm sure he's done it for countless thousands of people. I mean, you see it from just some of his friends. Has it worked great with Bert, but Tom definitely. I mean, he's on his well. What's that, his clinic down there? Ways to well. Ways to well.

They're all going there. Yep. So Bert's getting his blood done and he's bragging it and it's perfect all the time. Yeah, of course. Although he did just get some of the intestines are removed. Yeah. So I'd like to see those. results. But, yeah, Rogan

does that. He inspires. And I think because, you know, Jelly Roll knows that Mitzie is someone that Rogan really looked up to and was inspired by, I think it's like that. That love of Joe translating. Yeah. I think it's some of that.

But I also get your point. It's like he didn't know us. He's a sensitive guy. He's a sweet guy. He is, actually. But the, oh, I heard it's an interesting thing about Mitsy, as she was basically on her deathbed Jerry Seinfeld

who did not like her because she said he wasn't funny and she never booked him. Yep. Never made him a regular, I don't think. Roasted the hell out of her while she was dying. She was like, yeah, she didn't like me.

I wonder how she's doing now. Oh. Very well knowing that she's dying. Well, that hurts. He's spiteful. Yeah, but that hurts. That hurts. That hurts.

That hurts comedians, dude. That probably really, really, hurt him. He's only worth a billion dollars, you know? Yeah. Well, he got, I guess that's revenge, but croaky. That is dark. But, you know, comedians are dark. Yeah, he's like a clean comic, but it can be dark. Yeah, that's something else. I don't know. Um, you know, let's look at overall fan vibes. I would say that, you know, on the whole like Rogan's anti-establishment edge is somewhat getting lost you know like we said earlier people somewhat saying he sold out you know it's kind of like it's it's hard to say where the

line is a little bit that's some of the sentiment online I ran some of it through chat just to kind of get, well, some like multiple AIs just to get kind of like a percentage of where the comments are. It just looks at like Reddit, you know, the subreddits, Twitter, just kind of, you know, looks through all these comments and reviews, kind of compiles them and gets a feel for it. And it was kind of pointing in that direction. So overall, people are starting to feel on average like it's it's going that way like there's there's a bit of a sellout energy i don't know if i agree right but i could see their point and more importantly it's it's you know what people are seeing themselves i don't know what that means for the future i do feel like rogan is

stepping away from interviewing the politicians i don't think he wants to be that guy anymore politics as much and I kind of hope he doesn't in 2026 I'd like to think that you know in the next I mean how old is he now 50 58 or 60 no he's like 57 maybe yeah okay so what's he got like another decade doing this like just get back to having some fun it's like just have some fun I mean he end of the year with the age of disclosure, basically the closest thing we've got so far to just showing us that aliens exist. That's fun. Let's stick to that. Let's find out what's under those pyramids. That's what I want. Let's get to that. That's what everyone wants, really. I want Graham Hancock on there every other week. Let's get to the bottom of those things.

I want another Dibble-Handcock debate. That would be great. I come to Jesus for the both of them. He has been shitting on Dibble. Dibble's pretty butt-heard about that. I think it's like put a lot of pressure on Dibs. Well, he came with biased arguments. Yeah.

Yeah, he did get debunked quite hard. But, you know, and he did have a silly hat on. I will say that. Every single archaeologist I've ever met has a silly hat. They're like, I'm an archaeologist. I'm like, I know you have the leather vest and the hat, I can tell. There we go.

Well, I think that overall it was a solid 2025. I don't know what you guys think. You know, send us a message. Let us know. And I'm excited to see where 2026 goes. I'm interested, as always. And we thank you for listening. We appreciate you.

And let's kick some ass this year, everybody. Yeah. Happy New Year. Happy New Year and God bless America. Amen. Thank you.