Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 488 JRE Review Gable Steveson

Episode Date: January 13, 2026

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What a bizarre thing we've created. Now with your host, Adam Thorn. This might either be the worst podcast or the best one a whole time. One, go. Enjoy the show. Hey, folks, and welcome back to another episode of the J.R.E review. Coming into 2026, hot and heavy. This week, joined by Nick from lesser-known operators.

What's up, Nick? As usual, happy to be here, man. Great, great stuff. And Nick, yeah, you got a new line of merch, right? You got some hoodies and some T-shirts. You want to tell us about that? In one short year, I've gone from being a terrible businessman to a just slightly bad businessman now. And, yeah, we finally got T-shirts after 12 months.

So, yeah, link, I guess, in the episode description for my boy at Colorado Customs. And my wife did the artwork, the color of Arden. So she brought to life the special forces mistress into a visual form. and that's going to be our first t-shirt design and stickers and everything. So it's pretty cool. They're dope. They're dope. Get in the bio, buy some of these, support it.

And some of the money goes to charity? What's the charity there, bud? Yeah, a dollar from every t-shirt purchase goes to Project Recon, which is a special operations nonprofit that is getting FDA authorized stem cells to special operations veterans to combat the effects of traumatic brain injury. I think I said that right. Well done. That's great stuff. That's great stuff. Go support them. God bless our troops. Nice. I like it. This week, we are reviewing Gable Stevenson. What an animal. Exciting to have him on. Rogan's talked about this guy before made reference to texting Dana White and saying,

everyone in the heavyweight division is fucked when he enters the ufc um i couldn't have agreed more i mean this guy just is an absolute freak athlete and there's really no denying that i mean he is like you know bow jackson level athlete is what it seems like well there's there's no one like Bo. You don't know Bo. Okay. I clearly don't. But you could just tell from listening to how he gave the interview that he also knows that he's the best as well, the way he was answering questions. Like, that's the worst I'm ever going to be at that sport.

And he just knows it. The way he would just, yep, nonchalantly, matter of fact, I'm going to be the best. And as he made a reference to many times, it seems like John Jones is making him his pet project and is going to create a monster out of this kid. Yeah. I think John is looking to go out with a bang at the White House fight, which is clearly going to be the biggest thing ever in UFC history. I mean, I don't even know how the UFC would ever top that. I don't know what you could ever do. Have a fight on the moon.

I was just going to say, Bezos is going to have an octagon on the moon eventually. So, you know, technology will get us there. Yeah, it would have to be something like that. But, I mean, you know, John Jones is going to fight in the White House card more than likely. That's going to be the biggest thing. He's then clearly going to retire because why would he not? And go out, probably undefeated, greatest of all times. and he's going to want to pass the torch to somebody.

And it seems like he has already found the next potential goat. I mean, look, it's early days to say something like that. I mean, a lot of things can happen and you've got to be tested clearly. But just the way this guy talks, it just seems like he knows something. And he just seems like he just seems like he's. he's the type that's going to be completely unstoppable. People must be terrified of this guy.

Well, I think athletes, especially at a professional level, they have a lot of confidence in themselves. He's been a lot of confidence. He's also a kid, but he's grown up beating adults

as well. I mean, he's an Olympic champion. So that's in a whole other level as well. So, but it's one thing to become the hero of your own story, but to create a prodigy in your own image and try and give them everything that you didn't have and make them into the best version that you could have been.

So you've got John Jones at the top of his game and goes out and he sees this person that he wants to make into who he thinks he could have been Because no matter how good you are at anything, I achieved great success in the military, but I could have been so much more had things gone left or right or not gotten injured, right? And now I can talk to guys coming up and go, hey, you might want to avoid this thing. This really held me back or things like that. Now he's at the top. And he gets to see this guy can be just like me, if not better.

So it's got to be fun for him as well. So he's got a professional eye. he can see that this person is going to go far and to carry on the legacy. Because once you retire, you know, you fade away. People, somebody new always comes in. And no matter what, people are going to forget your name because somebody else will be wearing the title belt. And it's very exciting and they're winning by knockout. But if you can hang around and then your boy is at the top and you're in the corner, it never ends then.

Sure. And you can just keep the party going. Yeah. Yeah, and I mean, and John is a different creature too. I mean, it's pretty undeniable now that he, if, you know, that he's the best of all time. So when you're that, I mean, he's literally becoming like the Michael Jordan of UFC in a sense, even though his career was kind of tarnish because of his out-of-the-cage behavior. but ultimately completely undefeated, dominated everyone, totally, I mean, he just smashed everybody,

all the toughest guys. I mean, yeah, I think he could move into a pretty interesting post-career as well. Yeah, it'd be interesting to see what he does. But being in his corner, I think is a big deal. Now, let me ask you this. did you think when he said that he had never played football before ever and then just went to the tryouts and made the NFL? How is that possible? It seems like just insanely impossible. He's very flexible, very agile. The workouts of a professional wrestler at the Olympic level

are unlike anything across any sport conditioning-wise. So he's not going to be held back by his cardio. So that's a non-issue. Strength for his weight, he has to pound for pound be as strong as anyone in the world because he has to make weight and he has to be as strong as he can at that weight. So size comparison, he's going to be equal in strength.

He might be a little light for the position because, I mean, they're eating for size and things like that. But he's a he's a the difference between the bottom level of professional athlete and the top level of professional athlete is pretty far. And he's a top professional athlete in the hardest sport ever to exist. Right. Wrestling. Because there's no there's no knockout in wrestling. You have to beat the other person.

You can't just land a Hail Mary in the dark. You have to systematically beat your opponent. It is the hardest sport that there is. Now, I have some bias. I think wrestling is the sport. Everything else is a game. Football is a game. And the game can be managed and worked into in a system, right?

But there's nothing like wrestling. And if you're good at that, you can probably figure out how to be good at everything else, especially if you're the best in the world. Really? Did you wrestle? I did. Okay. I did.

I was good. I could have been great, but I didn't apply myself. I didn't apply myself until I put on the uniform when I joined the military. And then I knew what motivation was. But I was very good. I had natural talent, but I just didn't take it as far as I should have. But that's okay. I did it when I put my uniform on.

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I was trying to think of something that I can equate it to that everybody would understand something that everybody goes through. And there's really not, when you train and you are out there and there's nobody else on the mat. It's just you and somebody else that is the exact same size as you, the exact same strength as you, the same fitness level. And you give everything you have. have and you go into overtime or double overtime and it's sudden death and then you fucking come out on top and you get your hand raised at the end there is nothing nothing in sports like that

you are completely exhausted and you win the match uh nothing compares to that as that i've ever encountered in sports and uh it's very uh joe has said it other people have said on the show about wrestling, there is no sport like it. It is the greatest sport that there is. Yeah, Joe is actually over the years had a lot of great legendary wrestlers on and hearing about the trainings, how grueling they are, and what it took for them to get to the position of like the highest levels. I mean, it sounds like it takes a very special individual to get there and not a normal human being. I would say that. So I can't imagine what you're saying that, you know, you kind of put them in another environment

and they're just like ready for it. They just know. That person has had to succeed. He's had to succeed as a child, a little child, and then wrestling in these tournaments year after year after year and never taking a break. And then you get in the middle school and then high school and you're going through that. And there's no offseason. You're cutting weight.

and you're getting you're just wrestling all it becomes your life it's your whole life and some of the yeah the hardest training and the hardest diet and routine and just perfecting your craft and then okay let's try something else and maximum confidence as well like i can do this i did that that was extremely hard this can't be that hard and let me just jump right into it and there's a a freeness there too if you really believe in yourself that your mind will make you do it. The only thing, though, is, yeah, you jump over to football. You're super athletic.

You can move to all these things. It's still, there's rules, though, in football. There's still movement. There's still particular ways of, like, tackling is, like, there's a structure to certain elements of it, right? But we learned by visualizing as well. So he's built up this system where he's had to learn all of these things in wrestling as well. So he's a student of wrestling, of being an athlete.

So he might learn. Just quicker. Just quicker by watching it also on TV of seeing how people move. I'll look at that person's footwork because he's looking at other people's footwork when he's on it. He might pick up stuff that we don't fucking understand. That's true. That's true. I had this friend in England.

His name was Lee Pritchard. and he was like the most pretty much the most naturally gifted well we called him football player but soccer player to you Americans that we had in our group or at least one of them but he was so good

he was just so good like he could just do things that like the other guys just couldn't do and he would always pull off like the most ridiculous shit in some of the games he was just cheeky and confident and could just move that ball, take shots that nobody would pull off.

And it would also be like we would show up to places, or if we did like a lad's holiday, we would go off to like Blackpool. And, you know, they have like the fairground games and things. It was like everything he would get on. He just could figure out and do it well. And then when there was one year, everybody started playing golf. And he was just immediately like a light year ahead of everybody. like he just there was just something in his mind he wasn't like necessarily like even very smart guy

he just there was something in him that just he could move like himself like well right it's just like this athletic IQ if there's such a thing I think there is there's also you know coordination too your hand on coordination look at F1 drivers and their reflexes as compared to a normal person, you know, when I drop those darts. Oh, yeah. And the person's holding the tennis balls and they'll grab them right away. They only fall a couple inches. If you have fast reflexes, life is in slow motion if you have fast reflexes.

That's true. Have you ever seen Lewis, the British F1 driver when he went to? Louis Hamilton, yeah. He went to that shooting range in L.A., the one that they trained John Wick on. Okay. Anyway, I have it on my Instagram somewhere. I'll send it to you. They did a run through with him, and it's unbelievable.

He got, like, one of the quickest times on almost his first go. And he, like, never even fired a gun before. He's just like this. Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, done. And everyone's just jawed to the ground. Well, of course, he's got, I mean, those guys have lightning fast reflexes. What also was something like somebody like that, with Lewis Hamilton and let's say

Gable Stevenson, other people, you don't know what they're doing in the hotel room as well. They're very competitive. They don't want to go in public and be embarrassed. So he might have been studying video and playing AR, a VR headset, because you can do that with a VR headset and do these things and practice these things.

No doubt. You don't know what these professional athletes are doing when nobody's around. It's a good point. So they can be, they're not like a normal person. This person has beaten everybody. Everybody they have come across. They've dominated and they are doing something that everybody else was not doing.

Otherwise, somebody else would be them. So you don't know what they're doing. And that's their secret. That's why they're always going to be better than you. That's why they're on TV. That's why they've got the championship belt is they will do something when you're asleep and they're not. Yeah. It's like that extreme winner mentality, isn't it?

Yeah. They don't want to be, you know, even if it's something you've never done before, you don't want to be embarrassed in public. Well, I'm going to go, I'm going to go show up because I've been practicing when nobody else is around on something I've never done before. So is it cheating? No, but it's, you know, you're always very competitive. And that's why they're on the winner circle and I'm not. Right. Yeah, very much.

So, no, that's a good point. That's a good point. Well, you know, I also like to believe that he just showed up and was that good because that's cool. that's cool too but yeah either way yeah it makes a lot of sense it's still remarkable though

to think just think of all the college players that are I mean for example in Bozeman the football team here in our small little city just won a national championship crazy they beat all odds

it was the wildest thing crazy game too super stressful but we won Bozeman, well done, go cats. And even with all those players that won that national championship, I was talking to some people and I'm like, well, who do you think will go to the NFL from this team? And they're like, honestly, probably nobody.

Because it's a big jump to get to that league, you know, moving forward. And it's actually pretty rare to go from college to up to that. So to think that somebody that hasn't even played the game can just step on and do that is it really just highlights what it means to be like that level of freak athlete. And I guess I'm just kind of driving that home because it's just easily washed over almost just to be like, oh yeah, he's a freak athlete. Well, but hold on. What does that mean? you know it's like no this is this is incredibly rare like you've got to understand this isn't just a person telling us his life story and that he likes to save french bulldogs which by the way i thought you would like since you're a bit of a fan of um but you know this is this is an exceptional human

being that we need to pay attention to, especially if you are a UFC fan because he's on his way there. I'm a big UFC fan. Like, that's my sport. That's the thing that I watch. So for me, I'm very interested to kind of watch this kind of career, especially because the heavyweight division in any fighting sport, you know, in boxing especially, anytime the heavyweight division is stacked, that's always the best fights to watch. It just really is. And, you know, for a long time in the UFC, the heavyweight division hasn't been that stacked. It hasn't been that great to watch. You know, it's like we were really paying attention for a long time to Anderson Silva, GSP. I mean, obviously, then John Jones came along and lifted up the light heavyweight division.

but heavyweight division was just kind of back and forth for a long time it was hard for anyone to hold the belt and kind of stay there but to get a real massive champ in there that just can't be moved is is very cool because then you have like the ultimate toughest guy in the world it's a good story too right uh accomplished wrestler just winning winning and then just jumps in jumps into this sport and picks it up and goes to the top as well there's a lot of money in these things also that people tie themselves to and you need you don't just need a champion you need a character and you also need a villain that's why like wwe was so great in the 90s and to early 2000 the attitude era right you had the heels and the baby face and people getting over and it was

just it was absolute cinema, right? Well, there's a portion of that on the marketing side that you need as well. So you need to create these stories of these people, but they have to have real talent and show up. So, and it is, you're right, the most exciting is the heavyweight. The biggest, baddest people, the biggest also, because the normal person isn't that big. You have somebody that's superhuman that's bigger than the average man that could beat anybody in a fight on the face of the earth and they're going at it. Yeah. And it's just more exciting as well.

I'm not the biggest UFC fan. I'm, I don't, I don't know. But I do like wrestling. That's, it's very, very technical. I do avoid, you know, being hit in the head, you know, with all 10 of my concussions. So maybe that's it. Good idea. You guys shouldn't be getting hit in the head anymore.

Like, that's really bad for your health. Is that why you shout at the TV when you watch the UFC? don't get hitting the head you guys just avoid the blows to the head you'll live longer but no it's interesting to see where things go but this all brings more people in

more people into the sport and Dana White sure seems to know what he's doing he definitely does I mean but it's a really interesting move I mean he got recruited by the WWE and you know they kind of set him up as the next Brock Lesley's

which is, you know, really it's like Brock was in there, made a ton of money in the WWE, and then went to the UFC. Everybody was like, this is going to be dumb because he's just a wrestler, he's not a real fighter, and he became heavyweight champ and beat some legends and proved that those guys really are tough. I mean, Brock was a beast and smashed some people early on. He was terrifying. But, you know, Gable said, no, this isn't for me. He's feeling fake.

Feels scripted. You know, he felt like an entertainer, not an athlete. And he's just a call. Like, he wants to find himself in his prime more than he wants money or something. He just seemed like he's on this. very particular pursuit that that is really admirable. And I've got a feeling he's going to come out with a large bank account regardless of what he does.

But he's really not chasing the money. He's chasing the dream more, which I love. He knows what he wants. He's probably known for a long time. and when you know what you want and you have the ability to get there and it's a competition sport, you're the warrior, you're the man in the arena, right, literally in this situation. And to execute on that, to make it happen for you. I tried this.

This isn't for me. This way didn't work out. But it's just the end of the road is to come out on top. And whatever path it pushes them down, it takes the UFC. He might get to UFC, get to the top, and say, I don't like this either. Yeah. I'm going to go do something else. Yeah.

So he's very, very young, very capable. He's got the correct name, you know, looks good written down and sounds good over audio. So, sky's the limit, you know. Sure. Yeah, he could just smash for five years as champ, be really active, do a bunch of fights, take a bunch of money. You know, who knows? Maybe he could then head in and do a bunch of money. of those, you know, celebrity stupid boxing matches that make a ton of money.

Yeah, I mean, you're reviewing at the base of things. You're a review show for the guy who hosted Fear Factor. I mean, did you think when you were watching Fear Factor that you were going to review that guy someday? So you never know where people are going to go. You don't know. You just don't know. No idea.

No idea. Yeah. Well, when I first listened to Rogan's podcast. I mean, I literally caught his, like, I caught some of his first episode. Now, maybe not, maybe 2010. So maybe he was like a year in to doing his show. But because I think it was on like some sort of, it was like streaming only online at first before there was like an actual dedicated platform for podcasting that you could get on your phone.

It was like super basic. But yeah, hearing his show at the very beginning and thinking one day my job would be talking about that thing, I mean, yeah, it makes no sense. You never know. Never know. You're one or two decisions away from living in the trailer park and then the other direction. The sky's the limit, you know. Sure. I do, I did write this down.

This was my favorite quote from the episode. He said, John Jones said to him, he said, you can have this too. I was like, that is a great line. That's very good. You can have this too. I like that a lot. And everybody needs to hear that from somebody else. I had one on my Instagram the other day.

Somebody wrote, you know, transition and all comes down to really, transition from the military all comes down to one thing. and somebody wrote, try and be that one thing for somebody or the one guy for somebody. And that's the same thing. You can have this too. Everybody needs to hear that. Sure. Because you need a reminder because we, we destroy ourselves.

Your biggest enemy in anything that you want to accomplish in life is you. And you need somebody on the outside telling you, you can have this too. If that person did it, you can do it too. If you want to be like me, you can have to sacrifice some things. And if you want it bad enough, you can get it. You can't be everything in life, but you can probably be something, you know. And it doesn't matter how, you know, optimistic and positive you are. And even positive you are towards yourself, you should always have people around you

that believe in you more than you believe in yourself, I think. I mean, it's just a good move. It's a really good move. And it just always keeps you going. I tell my listeners, I say, my people that, the people that support me that I message all the time or even my followers, they believe in me all the time. I don't believe in me 50% of the time. It's a constant up and down.

Like, I can take over the world. I'm the biggest piece of shit in the world 50 times a day. And people will message me like, oh, I'm really appreciate the content you're putting out. I was like, you know, I send back. I'm always like, I appreciate you telling me that. Thank you. And I really do. Like, you need to hear that because you will talk yourself out of a life goal or a dream faster than anybody else in the world could just because you don't believe in yourself.

or it's awkward or it's difficult or you'll put it off tomorrow. There is no tomorrow. There is no tomorrow, Rock. Yeah. And, you know, there is an element of that that's somewhat useful. You don't want to be delusional, very optimistic.

That could probably get you into some trouble. You need to have a bit of a stopgap to kind of take a step back and, but... We're on a rock, traveling around a ball of hydrogen in fucking space, man. like it's very true it's very true it's very true but yeah the majority of the time um believing in yourself is is very useful and and yeah for for people to just surround you you know like john is with him and just be like look i see the best of you i'm not worried about the worst of you you've got

this like that's an important message to hear but actually talking about quotes one that i liked from him, which really does sum him up, is I like when it hurts. And I believed him when he said it. Not many people say things like that and mean it. Like maybe some people try or pretend and there's some bravado in it. I certainly don't. I wouldn't say that. That would be a lie if I said that. And people that can say that are a different beast for sure. They're the ones that can push themselves into impossible places. They can push beyond their physical limits and do it over and over again. And that's, that's wild.

That's wild stuff. I like the success that comes with the pain. I have never, ever liked the pain. I did a 5K row at the gym the other day and it hurt for 4,500 meters. you know like that's 19 minutes of just being in pain i went this fucking blows the whole time you got to put on viking music dude that's what you need i had on all kinds of i had on some swedish house mafia and i was rocking in the free world you know but um no but you can you know if you that's a that's another trait of a of the person who can win is they can find

that success in the pain, that they feed off of it, them being in pain, and they know that the benefit is going to far outweigh their discomfort. And they know when they're in pain that they're putting themselves through something that's going to make them a better athlete or person or opponent. And they're surviving something. They're making that steel more rigid. And they just, they just beat off it and they want more and they more. And then they can dull the pain and then just make it worse and worse. That's another trait of somebody that doesn't compare. Somebody that can switch sports as well because, oh, I'm going to put myself in an uncomfortable

situation. Ah, fuck, that's easy because I've been through things you can't imagine. And that's something you can't describe to people. I have been through bleed from your eyes pain before in my career. military and I've done things where I was actually thought I was going to die and if you can put yourself in those situations over and over again then you might start to like it eventually because you like what becomes what comes of you when you do make it through those situations yeah that's even terrifying to think about there's some terrifying people in the world

yeah for sure you don't want to mess with those folks well I don't want to. Most of the most dangerous people in the world are very nice. Well, until you upset them. Or they get given a mission to go get you.

Hey, man. You'll be nice to them. That's it. Whatever pays the bills. Exactly. Yeah. Well, it's going to be interesting. Did they, I don't remember, did they

say anything about when he's getting into the UFC? Is that kind of up in the air? I don't remember them saying. No, he asked him. He said, I don't think they had any... Did he say dates or did he say... No, he doesn't have any fights or anything yet. No.

They're just talking about it because he did this dirty boxing thing. Right. And he kind of alluded to maybe being on the White House card, but who knows? maybe that's just talk. I mean, it would be hard-pressed. I don't think the White House is close to being finished yet. Right.

Right. It'd be interesting to see if they can, like, how they even pull that one off. Didn't they just knock down, like, half of the buildings on that site as well? No, the one side, they knock some stuff down. But it's, this is the U.S. government. They'll just throw money at it until it's done. They'll fix it. Yeah.

There are people who worried about budgets. We don't, we don't, we, the Pentagon failed its eighth audit. Nice. Right. Yes. Good work. And we can't even send over $600 on Venmo without, again, in trouble if you don't. Oh, God.

You know what? Come arrest me. The front, I'll leave. If you send me a message, tell me you're coming to get me. and I'll happily go if you've yeah take me away yeah 601 it's like do as we say not as we clearly do how do they get away with this like in it they just do and it's like we do better next time eight in a row clearly there's no repercussions for this eight in a row eight they are they're you know as well as I do there's no repercussions because who is going to enforce that

over this past week, right? There's been a lot of debate on social media of who's going to, like people, there's international law. I said, no, there's not because for there to be international law, somebody has to enforce it. And nobody's going to enforce it. So there isn't one. Yeah, it reminds me of that Chappelle, that Chappelle skip where he's like, the UN, come get me with your army.

Oh, you don't have an army? Well, maybe shut the fuck up. Yeah, right? It's like, it's so true. It's just like, yeah, what are you going to do? What? I'm not saying good or bad or sides or anything, but if you're the biggest and the baddest, there's nobody going to tell you what to do until they are,

until there is somebody that's going to tell you what to do. And then we're all going to go extinct as a species after that point. When the aliens land here, they'll be looking at these scan, discs of Joe Rogan experience review podcasts and going, is this wisdom? No, they're going to know right away that it's not. They're going to get, my goodness, people must have been bored. They're like, this is what happens when people work in cubicles. I'm like, yeah, yeah, this is what happens when people have painting jobs and they need to

kill a lot of time and they're sick of listening to their playlist on Spotify. you just listen a couple of dorks just drone on you do get sucked into the into the podcast but there's at least information there if you're listening to your same songs over and over again in the gym that's not there's no information there you're not going to pick up anything new but maybe you can work through some ideas if you're thinking about them but at least there's information and stuff in the gym that you can at least learn something a little new sure and listen I'm a huge fan of podcasts in general. I listen to a lot of the comedian comedy podcasts as well,

and they're not always just telling jokes all the time. It's almost like you're just part of a conversation that you've decided to not talk in, really. So that's what I like with it too. I rarely listen to music in the gym. I just have a couple of people having a conversation going, and it's just kind of comfortable. And even if it has very little information in,

I mean, especially if it's like Shane Gillis and Matt, if they're just chatting away, it's always nonsense. And it's great. I did like one thing that Gable, he's in front of Joe Rogan on his show, and then he just took the opportunity to ask him the question. what can I

you know what can I do or learn he was trying to get information out of Joe to be successful in the sport that he's going into yeah there was some mentoring going on for sure and to be smart enough as a kid what did he say he is 26 years old 24 25 I think 25 years old

to not be to not be drowned by the gravity of the situation of being on Joe Rogan the most famous person in the world and to sit there go, I can learn something from this guy. And this could be a lifelong asset for me if I conduct myself in a professional manner. So I thought that was also very professional of him.

And he took advantage of his chance or his seat at the table. Yeah. Yeah, I like that a lot. And it, and it's a smart move. I mean, you know, Joe kind of finds himself playing that role with, with a lot of his friends. You see that on the pod. And, you know, he also talks about his lifelong friendships with, you know, Duncan Trussle and and Bird and some of these guys that he's known forever.

And it seems like he's kind of played that role for a long time. He's been, he's been very structured, very disciplined, very focused, ambitious in his own way. And a lot of this kind of came from the structure. of the dedication to jukech from taekwondo that he did at a young age and he just kind of brought that forward and yeah he's just been good at kind of organizing himself like that and in in that way quite sensible and he's navigated a type of fame that is incredibly unusual and he does it well you've got to give him that I mean he has changed over the years

and now he has unbelievable access to human beings which he has been taken some slack for in the last year you know especially with his connection to a lot of these billionaires but it's literally

because he has the biggest voice and the most ears listening to him of any human being that's ever existed so people want to get his attention and you know powerful people have that access so they're pulling him in every direction and the way he navigates it still is quite impressive and it's you know he's good at grounding himself and taking a step back and kind of you know just doing his best and not take himself too seriously. That's hard to do. Like almost anyone would get too carried away and too full of themselves,

for sure, with the type of range and power and control that he has. So, yeah, a very good person to talk to. And what a wise move. I mean, he's a good mentor, for sure, for a lot of people. And I think that in a lot of ways is why the podcast has been so popular and effective for so many men that listen to it. You know, there's a lot of guys out there that I used to speak to back in the day before I even did this podcast, probably why I was drawn to do the review show. I often found myself talking to people that, you know, didn't have great home lives. Maybe their dads weren't around. They kind of were those men that were brought up without the good dad, you know, with. Without a dad at all.

And it's like, you know, you kind of have this podcast dad almost. Giving you some instructions. Go to the gym. Do things like this. Eat better. You know, work out. Go to jiu-jitsu. Do hard things.

Challenge yourself. Learn. Think about, you know, physics. I mean, the first time I would hear the conversations of like gym bros talking about like some concerns. conceptual physics idea. And it came from them listening to Rogan. It like opened the

door to like an area of thinking that they would never even consider because they would have been like, that's for nerds, who cares? But now all of a sudden they're kind of into it because somebody like Joe who is similar to them, it like spoke

to them. You know what I mean? He was like bridge that gap as like the everyday dude. And Yeah. Do you think that that person had to exist and he was just at the right place at the right time and he just became the person that the market needed him to be because he started at the right time with the podcast.

He had the right background. He had the right temperament. And it's all, he's grown into the position as well and has just become what people have needed him to be in the market as it has evolved because you said I mean he started before I was in the military that was 15 years ago yeah you couldn't listen to a podcast I didn't even know what podcast was well he definitely started um early

he started at the right time so he got in really early and you know he had a massive head start um but you know him being able to just kind of continuously stay ahead of everybody and also run his show quite differently than everybody too. There's literally two people to do it. I mean, he has a skeleton crew like nobody's business. And the amount of content that he makes to

and the whole structure of his show, I mean, the reason all these people do these three-hour shows is because of Joe. I don't think if Joe had done that, almost no one else would have thought of doing this. They'd just, because it just seems too long. But Joe was like, I don't care, I'm just doing this.

And because everyone saw Joe have so much success with these long-form conversations, they were like, well, I'll just do that too. And we're all trained to listen to these long conversations because of the way Joe did it. Yeah, I don't know. I've reviewed him since 2017. It's been my job. And I still can't entirely put my finger on why he is the most listened to human being in the world. I mean, I'm not taking anything away from him and saying he's not interesting.

I know I could list 50 reasons why he's very compelling. But, you know, what the whole mixture is, yeah, I'm not entirely sure. but it's a fascinating combination and it is something very unique to him. I don't think other people can do it. No, he just, he's relatable to the most amount of people and the most amount of people want. Somebody has to be the person that's the most amount of people relate to. That's it. That is it.

And he's got the platform that he built for himself. And, you know, you said people, I mean, I. back to this you can have this too one year ago i went i want a podcast i want to have my own show i want to talk to people and then i went and made my show i want to have an instagram page where i make my posts and like my goal i want a hundred thousand followers and we're we're chugging away you know you like i said earlier you you you can't be everything but if you pick out some stuff you can have it to a certain degree, a certain degree, with the way technology is now and the advantages that we have with in society

and in this country, you can have whatever you want. It won't be to the level that you see at Joe Rogan or maybe it will. I have friends, friends that I talk to almost every day, that know personally Sean Ryan, And he's one of the top podcasters in the world. Huge. And he was, you know, well, I won't get too much into it. I don't know what he talks about in a show is what he tells people that he was into.

But, you know, he started out. He's a wild man. In the military. He was a wild man. And he did some really crazy shit in the military and in contracting. And now he's the number one or number, sometimes number one podcaster in the world. that's crazy that's crazy so if you decide i'm going to get into this and you get in you pick something in life and you work at it you fucking don't know but if you don't try it then you

won't know but you can if you shoot for something pretty cool and try and make it you're going to be happy with what you come up with it's going to be a lot farther down the road than nothing yeah yeah i mean the saddest thing is is like the The ideas that you have that you don't try for, the things you didn't go for, you know? And it's the things you talked yourself out of. And then you sat there and go, man, I wanted to try that. I want to, like, I can't tell you how many people I know that are like, that, that are like, oh, I wish I had done stand up too.

And I never have to say that because I got to do it. I tried it. I went and did it, you know, the same as I went and did the podcast. I mean, I've had to make quite big sacrifice. that often people in my life that knew me were like, Adam, what are you doing? Like, this seems kind of nuts. That you're like either quitting this job or moving to go do this thing

that really has almost zero chance of success in any way. And sometimes it didn't work out great. And honestly, often it did. because I just was very passionate about what I was doing and I just would grind at it and find a way and talk to people that were good at it and learn from them and just keep on going and be consistent and you get somewhere.

You may not ever be the best at it, but, you know, I love it when I hear people doing those things. And I will say that a lot of the bravery to do that, you know, a lot of the catalyst to do that came from listening to Rogan. I shit you not. There was one time I was driving to Rio Rancho from Albuquerque. I had a job. I was working for the government at the time. I was contracting with them. And I was driving out there to actually go watch some comedy, because there was a comedy show that they would do at casino, like over in Rio Rancho or like other side, kind of in Bernalillo.

Anyway, and I was heading out, I was listening to, I can't remember who the guest was. She's like an African-American comedian that goes on, Rogan often, Bigger Lady. What is her name? Shit. Anyway, I remember the conversation, though. And Rogan was talking and he was talking about just if you like work in a cubicle or you hate your job and you're just feeling like it's bullshit and you feel like you're stuck there.

Why not just try and do something different just for a bit? Pick something that you want to do that you find interesting and just try it or just go do something for a year. It was like some message very similar to that. And it was not long after that, I made a massive pivot. It was almost like that was like the start of something for me where I made just kind of a huge change. I like believed in something that he was saying that. And I was like, yeah, why not?

It seems so easy to just get stuck in this like comfortable little place of like, yeah, it's paying my bills. And this is the type of job people said that I should. have and I feel like I will be here forever with my like 401k and whatever it is. And I'm like, yeah, it doesn't seem very fulfilling. And I just went off on a journey that was, yeah, way scarier, way wilder and took me in all different directions. But man, looking back on it now, I wouldn't trade it for anything. And also it turned out pretty good. So I'm a way different person. I, I, I, I, I, it would be interesting to bump into myself,

another version of myself that would have stayed in that, you know, that lab job and just kind of had a look at who that was, that version of me. Yeah, I think I'm much happier over here. Who knows? Good. Who knows? Anyway, on that note, what do you give this episode out

of 10. I give it a solid 7, mainly because I'm just excited for this guy. I can't wait for him to get into the UFC. I think he is a badass. And I really liked his style. He seemed super intelligent, as well as obviously the athlete that he is. And yeah, I can't wait to see what he does next. Yeah, I'm going to go 7 as well. He seemed very put together, young man, and he knows what he wants to do and the world needs more put together young men. For sure. So that's something that we need and to be an example to people coming in to convince them to do hard things coming up as well also.

Yeah, let's go. True that. All right, guys. Thank you so much. We appreciate you as always, Nick. Pleasure. And we will talk to you next time. Cheers.

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