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Episode Date: February 3, 2026

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Welcome to the Joe Rogan Experience Review. This week we are reviewing Paul Rossily, the Jungle Man. What an exciting time. Yeah. I've seen this guy before on, like, he's all over Instagram, like his, like clips of him talking about the Amazon and the anacondas and just like being in the jungle. But I didn't know much of his. backstory. So it's, it's, uh, it's cool to, cool to learn more about that. And it's also, I mean, it's amazing what he's doing, you know, like dedicating his life to protecting this area. But

no, on Instagram and stuff, you only see like him like wrestling with the Andacondas and like talking about the Amazon and for whatever reason, you don't see a lot of his, uh, philanthropy. And, uh, you know, his, you don't see him talk about his program or whatever. Well, he puts the cooler stuff on that obviously because that's just way cooler. But, you know, that kind of makes sense. He wants to build a big Instagram. By doing that, he gets on shows. That's how Joe Rogan saw him.

Yeah. You know, if he was just putting on, look, I saved this tree. Not very exciting. He's like, hey, I'm wrestling this snake. Then people like Joe Rogan are like, oh, that's dope. That's cool. I'm into it. Yeah.

Yeah. So he's a jungle conservationist. explorer, author, and the founder of jungle keepers. He's best known for living deep in the Amazon, documenting illegal deforestation and putting himself in genuinely dangerous situations. And yeah, really very dangerous situations from everything that he's saying. And yeah, in this episode he sits down and talks about his adventures, environmental collapse, masculinity, fear, and modern disconnection from,

nature, which is like a cool part of this episode that they get into a lot. I never, I never listened to the first one. I'm sure you did. Yeah, it was, it was really just like the big introduction to who he is and what he does. Yeah, because he was talking a lot about how, uh, in his efforts to kind of preserve the Amazon, things have elevated a lot. And he's kind of pushing up against these forces that are a bit bigger than he maybe realized when he started doing this, you know, talking about like the gold miners and the narcos and like government stuff and just like people who are making a lot of money from the Amazon are obviously not happy when some guys like, hey, we should stop doing that. And he's feeling a lot of that pressure.

Yeah. Well, you could imagine anywhere where there's a great deal of money and it's not like there are police forces just walking around protecting you. If they don't have their own security, you know, you're in trouble. Yeah. dangerous. Yeah, I mean, I remember he was talking about he was on a boat with JJ, I guess, is his friend in the jungle or someone who helps him out. And he was talking about how they were filming like drone footage and they got run up by some of these narcos. And then they started

like going away from them because obviously they looked crazy and threatening. But he had a drone in the air and he's like, JJ, like this, I need this drone. Like he was like, it's like $5,000. And Jay just like, no, we're not, we're not stopping. And he kind of understood the gravity of the situation. And like, that's scary. Yeah. That's really scary. Could have Cameron Kazi, the drone.

Yeah. He ought to put a weapon system on it, yeah. You would have thought that the drone, when I was hearing that, I was like, aren't the drones faster than boats? Drones are usually pretty quick. Drones can be. I think maybe he's not good of flying it. Well, if you have around $5,000 that gets you into like some. pretty, I mean, compared to like, compared to like movie stuff, it's not crazy, but like that's a big drone.

And they have big cameras on them at that price. And so I imagine that with all the equipment, they're a lot slower than you might think. That makes sense. Because the portable ones, portable ones, you can fit in your backpack, like DJI and stuff like that, those are actually pretty fast. And those could probably catch up to a boat. But a big one with a camera on the bottom of it, like really stable probably isn't terribly fast. And they were probably hauling ass. I mean, they're probably definitely going as far. fast as they possibly can. Oh, sure.

So, sure. But yeah, that's just unfortunate. I mean, better to lose a $5,000 drone than your life. Oh, 100%. Yeah, you're not taking any risks like that. I mean, you know, they talk about getting to that kind of, dare I say, village, but it's kind of like that community area where they all meet up. You know, they're trading, they're doing their things.

It kind of like reminds me of one of those little spots in Star Wars. Yeah. You know what I mean? just kind of had that sound and feel like there'd be a fire over there and people are trading and doing things. But didn't they say there was like that guy that kind of looked like Rasputon? Oh, yeah. Kind of like religious looking dude.

It was like really skeptical of them, but just wouldn't come close. And it just kind of had this like eerie feel about him. And they kind of slept back to back the whole night. Well, they, uh, yeah, they, I think they were saying that compared to a lot of the other places that they stopped this place was like way more sketchy. Yeah. And like, yeah, they were getting some weird looks from people. Just the way he built up that story. Like you could almost feel it.

Yeah, he's a good storyteller. He really is. Immediately I was just like, I, I'm not going. Well, I feel like regardless of where you are in the Amazon, I mean, I feel like you always have to have your head on a swivel because you're either like, you know, all the creature. and I've heard, like, he's talked about how easy it is to get lost out there because everything looks the same and it's just like huge. And so, yeah, you've got to be always alert when you're in those areas, even in like villages and like stuff like that.

No doubt. You've got to be, that seems like a high stress environment to operate in. So what are the big things that he says go on that? Illegal logging is a big thing. Logging. Then there's cartels. It's got to be like drugs, stuff going on.

And then he said gold miners. Gold miners. Gold miners. And they're all, uh, they're all, yeah, like the Wild West, pretty much in certain areas, like not regulated, just like every man for himself. Yeah. That was what he described when he went to that village. He was like saying that people were like looking at him and were like, yeah, we could kill

this guy and take his stuff. You know, like he was getting like those kind of vibes from people. Yeah, I wonder what he's got. Yeah. That backpack looks nice, you know? Yeah, but, you know, the narcos and then the gold miners. And then, yeah, I think the loggers, they spent a lot of time talking about the loggers because that's like, you know, obviously like deforestation is a big problem.

Well, he also mentioned, and I didn't know this, but he was talking about how, you know, a lot of people assume that, you know, they maybe know that part of the Amazon is being deforested or like, you know, getting burned or whatever it is, like, in harm. But a lot of people think, like, oh, well, it's so big. You know, it's not that big a deal. But he said, like, 20% of the Amazon has been, like, cut down. Yeah, yeah. Which is so sad.

Well, he said the destruction is happening, like, at a much greater rate than people realize. Yeah. If you ever been to one of those museum spots that has the counters on? And sometimes it has the counters that shows, like, the human race. going up. Oh, yeah. And it just goes real fast. And then also in another spot, sometimes it has like the forest acreage and it's going down. That one's creepy because it goes down fast. And that's whole acres of forest. Yeah. And, you know, obviously there's a lot of acres,

so it takes a long time. But I mean, that number is shrinking, you know, at an alarming rate. And you're just like, how long can that go? Well, obviously, how long can it? Till it gets to zero, obviously. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, and I mean, like where we live, you know, we're surrounded by forests and mountains and, you know, we're clearly like in a town and so we're kind of covered off. But, you know, if you live in some urban area, I mean, literally the whole thing was forest at some time. And then all, like, almost all the trees are gone.

And so, yeah, it's just like, that just happens, you know, when people move into areas. the uh yeah well i think the crazy thing about the amazon because you know you have um you have developments and deforestation like that's pretty popular um but in the amazon a lot of it like i was saying earlier is unregulated and so it's like people fighting amongst themselves like taking land and like you know just yeah it's like gangs and stuff it's like nobody owns it yeah nobody owns it there's no government out there to regulate anything there's no police force like you're on your own and it's like it's our squad versus their squad. Right.

A lot of times. Well, the government just doesn't seem to have the resources to intervene in any way. Yeah. Not much at all. And then, of course, you know, the people out there are used to it. They know how to maneuver around it all and disappear and just set up camp somewhere else. I mean, it's big enough place. Chime is changing the way people bank.

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environmentalism. And that's kind of a big critique that he had, like openly critical of like armchair activism. Yeah. Corporate green branding. Yeah, greenwashing. Yeah. You know, we go to, you know, the environmental summit, but we all flew there in a private jet. Or just like that picture they brought up where they like cleared out this road of a forest so they could get.

so they could get to this environmental summit. And you're like, wait a second. What? Didn't they say they didn't even do the summit? They didn't do it. They moved it, yeah. Yeah. So it's like they did it for nothing.

They chopped the trees down for no reason. Yeah. Well, that's... The irony. That's one of the things that really annoys me the most about the climate change topic is that, like, it does matter. It's really important. Like, we're at a really critical time if you look at the science.

But then at the same time, these companies, a lot of them don't care, you know, like they don't care. And so they have to act like they care and act like, you know, they're part of the solution. And so on one hand, you have like a real problem, but then you also have a bunch of people who are like, oh yeah, no, this is a real problem. And then like kind of convincing everybody that they're actually helping out. And then you have like this has happened so many times in our country where we'll have some new green deal that's supposed to come out. And like the basis of it is,

is maybe good, you know, like a green deal. That would be good. You know, like pass some legislation to help the environment. But then they use it as like a, they just tag on a bunch of other shit that they want to do. Like, they'll have like their environmental policies. And then under it, they'll just add a bunch of laws that are like not related in any way and are like damaging to the environment or are just like completely unrelated.

But they just use it as like, oh, we're going to pass the bill. we're just going to add a bunch of shit. No one's going to really know about it, but it's the green deal. We're going to market it as, this is for the environment. And so they try to, you know, collect everyone to like,

hey, guys, we're helping the environment. But in the back, they have a bunch of shit that they're doing to benefit their side. Yeah, they're like, what's this line free blow for all congressmen? Yeah, yeah. It doesn't seem related.

They're like, don't worry about it. It's for the environment. Don't worry about line 10, page 14. Yeah. move on.com. They do love to do that.

Yeah. And that is just dirty politics, isn't it? But often it's how you get the bills passed. It's almost like no bills get past unless, you know, everybody's sat there in Congress just going, oh, you want my vote? You got to put this in. Yeah. Oh, you want my vote?

You got to put this in. And then all of a sudden, a bill, it just becomes a completely different thing by the time it's done. Yeah. That's just the rules. That's just, yeah, part of the problem. Playing the game. Yeah. You know?

To think that like a pure bill goes through unchanged. Good luck. The only thing. You need a 9-11 and a Patriot Act for that time. Probably the Patriot Act was the only thing that was proposed and went in exactly, came out exactly how it went in. And it's also the worst piece of garbage that could have ever gone through. The only thing our government seems to be able to collectively agree on is the support to Israel. Or just war in general after a disaster.

Yeah. Yeah. Who knows? Who knows? But yes, that's it. I mean, in a big part of it is a lot of times when you're talking about corporations, they need to make money today. Right?

It's all driven by the stock system and the shareholders and that unlimited growth kind of proposal. All companies have to get bigger and make more profit all the time to appease the shareholders, therefore, you know, there's no stopping. And because of that, we have to think about profit today. Well, the environment is tomorrow and next week and next month and 10 years down the road. So let's virtue signal for a while. So it looks nice. Let's change our logo to green and put some leaves on it. That looks pretty good. Yeah. You know, and then say some things about the environment. Like, we planted five trees. Yeah. That looks pretty good. They just smoke stacks out of the back of their warehouse, but don't worry about that. And also, at the end of the day, it's kind of a lot of

this conservation is unglamorous as well for many people. Yeah. It kind of isn't like on the forefront of most people's problems and their thinking. Yeah, absolutely. And there is a lot of, um, there is a lot of work that we still need to do in like developing countries and like, there are a lot of people that live in poverty. And so, you know, creating economic opportunities for those people will help them. Um, but yeah, like you said, it's all about short term profits. And so, you know, these companies, the real environment thing is going to cost a lot of money now. and maybe in the future it'll start to you know kind of heal itself and and fix itself but it's like it's not a five-year thing it's not a 10-year thing it's like you know maybe our grandchildren will have a better life

you know and in a lot of ways we need to think like that you know but it's hard to do that when it's like you're taking money out of my pocket now and i like am maybe never going to see it again you know that's really hard to convince companies to do so that's that's that's that's that's the real problem is that, you know, we need to start thinking about like the next generation, like our kids or our grandkids, you know, and start paying for some of these bills. Because up until now, we've just not given a shit. We've just, you know, burned everything, sucked all the oil up, you know. It's like now that we have the technology to, like, actually move things in a healthy way

and create sustainable systems, it's like that's what we need to be focusing on. you know now that we have we have enough money to do that if we prioritize right and you know we have people who are passionate about that which we do a lot of young people really are passionate about the environment for good reasons um but yeah we just need to get out of this mindset that we're stuck in sure but you know when you say we it's like who's going to replace the jobs for those people down that i mean you know there's a reason a lot of these loggers and goal miners are out there doing this. Yeah. You know, the economies in some of these countries aren't great. And the job opportunities aren't fantastic in some of these spots. So, you know, this is how their

market is working. Yeah. And we can't force their government to do things. No, of course. So whether we're caring all that much or not, it's like, what are we doing there? Yeah. Now, what we can do is create maybe opportunities for them that are different. Paul does talk about that by on a much smaller scale, offering them jobs, but obviously he can't hire all of them. When he was on before, he talked about this kind of treehouse system that he was building in this one area. And I really like the idea.

It's like super boogie high up in the jungle tree houses. that are all connected. That seems useful in the Amazon to be above ground. And you can see. And it's like, you know, bedrooms and you can walk around. And then there's like, you know, you probably got Elon's Starlink internet and somehow some generators, maybe some power or solar panels or, you know, a little few bits of creature comforts, which make it cool.

And the idea was to create expeditions. So because look, at the end of the day, taking wealthy people that could become investors or just people that you want to show this beauty to out to the jungle is not easy to do. No. It's a hard survival type. It's like not fun. You're going to get bit by ants. It's not comfortable. There's very few people who sign up to do that.

And you can't see anything most of the time. It's just trees. Yeah. And it's dark and that you're covered by the tree. You know, it's like that kind of, but if you can get above them and get a little bit comfortable and just get a bit of a space, then, yeah, there's a better chance. You can take some wealthy people down there that care about the environment that can start spreading that message and investing some money and really putting some eyes on what's happening. That's not a bad plan. No.

Like, that's a good strategy for kind of making, you know, something happen. And then potentially creating a whole system, whether it be tourist or otherwise, to where you can start employing locals to be a part of that. And then, who knows, less bloggers and less gold miners and preserve some areas one piece at a time. Yeah, he was talking about getting an area designated as like a national park, which is really good because national parks are like governed. It's like a government body. and so you, you know, assuming you have enough people at work there, you can, like, actually protect the area, you know, by law. Right. Like, when I went to Costa Rica a couple years ago, they have a bunch of national parks.

And some of them were, like, not terribly exciting. Like, I was like, you know, like, in the United States, at least, I feel like when you go to a national park out here, most of them, you're like, you get there and you're, like, instantly are like, okay, I see why this is a national park. Like, this is unlike anything I've ever seen. there was a lot of them that weren't like that but they had a lot of national parks and i was just curious why they had so many and it was not necessarily about like oh we want to make this a tourist area or we want to prophetize this or this is a like really special place it's just like we want to protect this area and by creating a national park there it's a pretty easy way to just like designate that as national park then again you know that's not always easy to do in the amazon

when you can't designate, you know, a government or people to protect the area. Sure. You know, because, you know, if you're trying to mine for gold, if no one's out there looking, like, you don't care if it's a national park or not. You have to actually be able to enforce that. Yeah, what are you going to do? Which is the trouble. Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. Please don't. We're going to build a wall. Please don't mine for gold. Yeah. Please, we're begging you. And it's like, oh, there might be gold over there. I'm going.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So, yeah, the governing problem is really the tough part. It is a start, though, to try, you know. Yeah. It is a start. What was some of the more boring or less impressive national parks in Costa Rican? I'd have to look them up, but...

Do you remember just looking at them and being like, that's kind of normal? It's just like a field? It was just like beaches. A lot of beaches were, like, designated as national parks. There were a couple of really cool ones. like one we went to was like a volcano and then there was another one that was also a beach but it was like very like a really really pretty beach um but yeah just looking at the map of cost rica you'll see there's a bunch of like areas that are national parks and it's i think they have

like over 20 which for a small country is a lot oh yeah um but yeah they they just designate that land to protect it that makes sense yeah yeah that makes sense well that's a good move i mean that's a way to do it for sure and uh you know that that could be done oh what about his um stingray bites yeah that sounded nasty that sounded awful yeah because he said uh of all the thing all the pain he's experienced that was like by far the worst uh he said worse than bullet ass yeah which i've heard everyone i've heard that has uh i haven't met anybody but everyone online that i've heard do bullet answer like say talk about them i've always said it's the worst pain.

Steve-O. Yeah. I mean, with the name like bullet ants, you know, you can kind of get an idea. But no, the stingray sounded absolutely miserable. And it was unfortunate for him too because he was talking about how he was at a spot where he was like, you know, done a long stretch for like several months. And then he was like really like about to leave within like a couple weeks or maybe a month. And he was like, you know, I've already had all these injuries.

I'm just going to take it easy and just like not take any. stupid risks. Like no more wrestling snakes. You know, I'm just going to kind of chill out and enjoy the rest of my time. And then he was just like, went to some waterfall and then boom, stingray. Yeah. That really sucks. Yeah. Bad timing. Well, didn't he say that it just sliced half of the skin off his foot or something? Yeah. I mean, he was also talking about how he was like blacking out. And then it was like, like black goo came out of it too. After a while. Is that like venom? I don't know. Or just. like what happened in his body

like a reaction to it probably like a reaction to the infection this thing but yeah he said there was like people watching him and like everyone was like going up and be like how can I help and he's like just leave me alone let me die just fuck off yeah oh god

I can't even imagine well he said he knew that they were there I guess he just wasn't that worried about it and you know I just wonder if that if the pain is that bad I wonder how that changes how he maneuvers in the water moving forward. Yeah. I guess, I mean, he talks a lot about fear in general and, like, how your nervous system has to adapt to kind of threats out in the jungle.

Like, you just, because you're there, like, panic kills your decision making. Yeah. So you just kind of get used to being in this zone of, like, I'm locked in. Like, this is how I think, you know, I need to be on my game. So maybe he's a little bit resilient to that. But if the pain is as bad as he said, I've got a feeling that he's going to adjust the way that he enters water. He's going to double-check waterfalls in the future.

Yeah. Yeah. With a little stick. Yeah. It's just sticking the ground every now and again. Yeah. Yeah. No good.

I wonder how the, I'm sure the stingray is worse than jellyfish. It depends. Some jellyfish can kill you. I've heard jellyfish. Yeah. Well, I know they can kill you, but I've also heard they're really, really painful. Yeah, they can be. Yeah, I don't know.

Sting the hell out of you. Yeah, I'd fun. I swam through like a swarm of, I don't know what you would call them, swarm school, a big... Of jellyfish? A pile of them. Yeah, tiny ones. I was in St. Lucia. And they weren't super poisonous.

But there was just a whole thing of them. And I turned around and I was like, oh, shoot. And I couldn't get away. But they were real small. and they just kind of floated past me. And it was just like lots of tiny little electric shocks. Oh, really? Okay. And when I got out, I was just covered in little dots.

And it wasn't fun. It took ages to go away. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. I was just going to say, that sounds kind of cool, actually. No, it wasn't. It wasn't nice. Sounds like a special moment.

It hurt a lot worse after I got out of the water. It took a minute to kick in, but it was not good. And I'm pretty white, so it really showed up on me. Yeah. Yeah. I couldn't hide it. It looked ridiculous. But, and the embarrassing thing is they did warn me about jellyfish before I got in the water.

And I didn't listen. So it's kind of on me. Yeah, you did too, so. Yeah, that was on me there. Whoops. I really liked in the podcast when he was talking about his connection with like the indigenous people and just the jungle itself. Like it was very, it sounded like not like religious in a way, but like, along the same kind of lines of having like a special connection with the place.

And then all of the stuff that he said about like the locals, just knowing, you know, just knowing like he had, what was it? I think a snake bite, some sort of snake bite. And then they like used their like local remedy and it like healed him way quicker than someone else who had a similar one who like went to a normal hospital. And they're like, we don't know what to do. Oh, wow. Yeah. The guy in the hospital lived, but it took him way.

longer to recover. But the people that he was with were like, no, we have this special thing that we do and we'll take care of you. And then he was like, I think he said the next day, he was like back to, maybe not back to normal, but like could walk and like was functioning. You often hear that though, don't you? That like the Amazon and the people down there have, like they just know the medicines, these natural remedies and medicines that are just far more superior and often I wonder what is true what's kind of a wife's tale and what's somewhat somewhat exaggerated I'm inclined to believe it though yeah I really am I'm like oh I bet they do have some good stuff especially for like some of the antibiotic remedies that they come up with

wiping into wounds and just yeah we go it's gone it's all clean yeah because you have to think that the um the infection that you're getting is localized to that area. And so having an antibiotic that's also specialized for that area, you know, that's obviously going to be better. And they must be getting infections all the time. Yeah. You know, they're just running around with a loincloths on. Yeah, I imagine you build up a tolerance somewhat and there's maybe a genetic aspect to that. Like, you know, they're not going to, they're not going to get the diseases as commonly. but yeah i mean uh i've heard that with a lot of other areas outside the amazon like

like when he was talking about like you know uh like joe was like you know how do you find this stuff or how do you figure this stuff out and he kind of um he he talked about like iawaska but he was like you know use the term like the gods gave it to us like i've heard that a lot with other cultures you know like there's just something that is in that local area that's like such a like an on the nose thing that helps out in that area and they're like god gave it to us you know yeah that's that's the story yeah how it was passed down and i like that kind of stuff though those things are cool for sure and they've had it for you know thousands of years and no one knows where it came from yeah it's it's really cool stuff and i even i even think about like not to be

like a total hippie but i i often think that like in our Western culture, there's a lot of medication that, or a lot of maybe natural remedies that are almost as effective, if not more effective than like, you know, stuff you get at the doctor. Like, obviously, I don't think you can just like drink some tea and then your cancer's healed, but, you know, for like more minor things, you know. Yeah, a bit of like honey. Yeah. For a sole throat or something.

Yeah. Instead of, you know, lozenges or whatever. Tylenol. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure there are some things that are useful. I think they're gatekeeping some of these natural remedies.

No doubt. I mean, listen, for most things, they just give you a mild kind of painkiller. They're basically just saying, let's shut him up or her up for a while. Yeah. Just get rid of that and then keep him quiet and then it go away. Heal themselves while we just make them a bit drowsy. Yeah. Go to sleep.

And then you have to take this pill like four times a day for like two years. Yeah. And then you're on. medication for life. Yeah. There you go. What did you think about some of the right of passage, you know, stuff they were talking about, like masculinity rights of passage and, you know, the lack of it today in our modern world, therefore the emptiness of it? Like Joe and Paul were talking about that in terms of like in our society, we don't really have a right of passage. Yeah. You know, people just grow up. Kids just, you know, you go from eighth grade.

high school and then it's like all right you graduate go to college like it's not this moment where you're like right now you are a man let's do this ritual that has you become a man and in the past many many cultures had that yeah and it's like a you know a very difficult test that's hard and and you know i understand why it phased out there was probably danger in there there was probably seen as unnecessary danger. There was some issues with that. And it's like, you know, almost like hazing and fraternities. It's like, you know, a couple of kids get thrown off a roof with two mattresses tied around them.

And then they're like, yeah, we should stop this. This is not a good move. We come up with something else. However, you know, it's like the adventure, risk and responsibility are missing from many modern lives in a way. Yeah. And we do see this. Like I know that I have friends or acquaintances in my life that, you know, got into their 20s and 30s and now in their 40s. And I know they literally haven't been challenged since they were forced to read out loud in high school. Yeah. They literally have just been able to dodge and take like the easiest paths with no real challenge at all. And I'm not saying the lives were easy Like life's coming at you no matter what

Yeah It's gonna be frustrating and difficult in its own way But you can continually dodge Yeah difficult things Yeah I think And it's super unfulfilling And you are not prepared for much at all Yeah

I think it is really useful And I do like the idea in a lot of cultures Where they have like once you get to a certain age You know you have this ritual that you do Or you have this challenge that you have to face Or I think just like even like just in life nowadays

young kids are under so much pressure you know you go through high school by the time you're in like 10th grade they're like have you thought about college you know like do you know what you want to do in life like you know you're like a 16 year old kid and they're like have you have you have you chosen a career path

you know and you're like I don't fucking know how the world works yet you know and I know I mean it's kind of not reasonable to even ask someone when they're in college. Yeah. What their career is going to be. But, you know, you go through high school and then you immediately start college and then throughout college, they're like, do you have a job? You know, do you have a career? You know? And it's just like the same thing. And then you just go through life and you don't really have like a time to just like kind of break away from that and just like assess and

like, you know, connect with yourself and really like do things. And I think that's why I always, I mean, it's, it's really hard and not accessible for a lot of people. But I think like traveling when you're young is so useful. And just like, you know, people who are like, now, fuck it, I'm just going to go backpacking for a summer or whatever it is. You know, do something cool, do something crazy. Like, do something that, like, brings you out of your normal life. Well, I think that that is the modern version of a rite of passage. I think there is that moment when you become an adult and you leave the village. You leave the pride in a sense, right? It's like the alpha male of the tribe doesn't. want the younger strong males in the village anymore.

It's like, you need to go. You need to go off, explore, find yourself, and maybe come back if you need to, but like, you need to go. Yeah. And those that, you know, these kids that feel compelled to go traveling like that, go off to college or move out or move away, they are the ones to grow in that sense. Yeah.

You know, I mean, men crave challenge, danger and meaning, right? not comfort alone. Yeah, I know. There's time for comfort. But if you're leaning into it too much, especially at certain ages of development, you're doing yourself a disservice, for sure. Yeah.

I mean, really, when those needs aren't met, they're going to show up in different ways. And it's going to look like depression, addiction, you know, anger, fear, rage. It's not good. Yeah. You know, probably all on red, it in your mom's basement.

Yeah. It's not peaceful sometimes, but... It's an angry place. It can be. I've seen it. Yeah. But I think, yeah, young people are just under so much pressure and then, yeah, you just never have a time to, like, just figure out, like, hey, what do I want to do in life or,

you know, whatever it is? I knew way, and maybe this is just the school that I went to, but I knew way too many people that were like juniors and seniors in like whatever career path. And, you know, you talk to them and they're like, yeah, you know, I just like chose this, you know, seemed like a good like starting point. And it's like you just have no idea what you're doing and you just lost. And it's unfortunate. And I think a lot of it is like, you know, they get pressure from their parents where it's like

you got to go to school. You got to get some degree. And I think that's useful. But, you know, they would just like. not give a shit about school and just see it as like oh this is just something i need to like check off and then you know they were like partying or like out here you know people go skiing all the time or fly fishing or whatever it is but just like escaping from school and like not not really finding a clear direction or purpose you know i think like you said like just seeking like comfort or just like staying

with what they're comfortable or just doing things that make them happy sure you know it's like you got a sometimes you just got to like have a chat with yourself and be like what are we doing well you know it's got to be your purpose if that if your parents are making you do it it's their purpose it's way harder to motivate yourself for someone else's purpose and the point is you've just moved away to college to get away from your parents it's not just to go to college is to have freedom and autonomy but they've sent you there to go do something that they want you to do The hope is that you get to college to do something you want to do. Yeah, or at least figure that out along the way.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, that's it, parents. Like, do your best to back off at that point. Because you're really not helping them. No, in the long run, yeah. It's like the more you force it, the less likely it's going to actually go there.

Yeah. You got to want to do something for the right reasons. And, yeah, I think the happiest people I met in college were people who, like, knew, kind of what they wanted to do and then we're learning about the things that they were excited about and actually doing the things that they felt purpose in

and genuinely enjoyed. You know, I feel bad for people that didn't get to enjoy college. I really feel bad for people that didn't get to enjoy high school, but also I rarely say that because so many people didn't really enjoy high school. Yeah.

High school is not fun for the majority of people. It's pretty rough. And what's interesting is even when I talk to people now, that I thought were part of the group that really enjoyed it, because in my perception, they were having a really good time like I was, didn't. Oh, yeah. Now, my first semester, freshman year in the United States, I did not like,

because I had just moved here, and I didn't understand the culture, and it was so different, and it was just, it was really uncomfortable. By sophomore year, I got into it, and I was like a novelty, I'm in New Mexico. I'm like the only English person really anyone has met. And it was interesting. Like it was good for me. It was smooth from then on.

But mostly everyone else I know that I've talked to afterwards, or even during, just really couldn't stand. It was awful. And college, I noticed that people seem to be enjoying that experience quite a lot more for the most part. Yeah. But not all of them. It was maybe 50-50.

in that case. You know, it's like much better odds, but it's still not amazing. And it's a shame because that's a great opportunity to enjoy it. Yeah, in my experience, I met a lot of people who were, like, excited about college for the wrong reasons. You know, it was like, they're just excited for the weekend, excited to go to a party. Sure. Just meeting new people and, like, having a new boyfriend all the time. Which is fine.

Like, girls to sleep with. Like, you know, there's a bit of that that you do, which is acceptable, but it's like, that can't be the only thing. Well, look, it can be because it was for them. But if it just is, then you are missing out on the other things that can be really useful as well. So to have, by definition, a full experience, it's really good idea to try and enjoy all of it, if you can. Yeah, yeah. Or at least make it productive. You've got to be there anyway.

Yeah, find the balance in it. Yeah, there's definitely. a plan for that when it comes to it. Moving on, Lex Friedman went down there to visit him. And I remember when Lex was posting a lot of this on his Instagram. Also, I did listen to that episode, which they kind of filmed out there in the jungle. And, you know, he wore his suit like a dork, as always, which is quite funny. And, you know, I didn't know a ton of kind of what they got up to down there.

Of course, not surprising Lex wanted to do ayahuasca, surprising that he managed to kind of pressure Paul into it, which it did sound like he kind of pressured him into it, I have to say. Good friend, I would say. Good person, Paul, get on it, do it. Doesn't sound like he's a big fan of psychedelics or even going into that space. and we know he's a brave guy. Yeah.

So it's not because he's a coward, but he just, it's not his thing, doesn't really care to explore that part of the universe. He prefers the jungle. Yeah. His own jungle, right? That's a jungle he doesn't like to go into. But, yeah, what were your thoughts on kind of that whole description

and part of the podcast? Well, it sounds nice. I want to do it. Really? Yeah. It was it like pro, Um, was it like a positive message for you? Well, I've, I've had an interest in doing that before, like going down to South America and doing it with like a proper like shaman and stuff.

Uh-huh. Because that would be the only way I would do it. I wouldn't like buy it online and do it at home. That just doesn't seem like it would work. Do it in an alley. Yeah. The back of a Walmart somewhere. Yeah.

Just like our ancestors. Yeah, just like our ancestors. Uh, but no, I thought it was interesting because, uh, you know, Paul. Yeah, was kind of. wasn't his idea to do it, but he did it anyways. And then along their journey, you know, the shaman is kind of like to Paul, like, you're here for Lex, you're here for his support, you know?

Like, you're here to guide him. Which kind of made me think was Lex like actually a little bit freaking out at this time? Or was it just that Lex was just drinking so much of this stuff? they were like Lex is really kind of fucked up right now so yeah you need to just keep it on him because we don't know where he's going to know well it sounded like uh from what Paul was describing it sounded like Lex kind of wanted to like go pretty deep oh yeah it sounded like he had some intention behind it but uh yeah he did say that Lex had more than than Paul did but I'm sure they're they're different size individuals you know it could have been the same strength both of them they both tapped out at the same time but uh yeah Lex had like six six six of the cups and then I think Paul said he had like five so um but no that sounds like a good experience and like I said you know that seems like the way to do it you know go down there do it with a shaman what you're getting is probably from the jungle itself you know so that seems like kind of best case scenario on how you would actually do that yeah and it didn't he say that the

shaman had been like a mental kind of like uncle yeah figure to him for like 20 years or something. So we knew him very well. He felt very safe. I mean, that's the guy to deal with. Of course, he got to be in contact with that guy. So interesting experience. Cool to hear the Lex did it.

Lex is up for whatever. I mean, he's in Dagestan right now, training with Khabib. I mean, the guys are savage. I mean, what an animal. Lex has always been a different breed. He's next level, dude. But anyway, it's a great conversation. I thought Paul's super interesting guy.

I love that Rogan is having him back on. Hopefully he is one of those kind of reoccurring guests because each time, you know, adds to his social media presence, which kind of puts more eyeballs on what he is doing out there. And again, that helps his calls and anything that they can do in that direction just to kind of bring awareness to what needs to be done down there in a positive light is fantastic. And just to let us know, like, what's happening, because we don't. We don't get a clear picture. And I think if more people did, then at least we can then make an informed decision, right?

It's like, it's easy to be like, well, there's a lot going on. And I know it's bad, but I don't really care. If you got really close up footage often, maybe you'd be like, you know what? That's really messed up. We need to do something about this. I'm kind of on board. Let's get going with it. And he can give those updates.

He can like, you know, shine some light on it. It's useful. And regardless, his Instagram is super interesting. And his stories are good. He's a good storyteller. He needs his own show. They should make a show down there. Send Netflix down there.

Yeah, for real. You know? I think, yeah, I would definitely watch that. That would be really, really cool. For sure. I mean, look, the audience reaction online, vibe, solid. listeners love this episode for its authenticity and lack of BS. Did someone comment about Alex Jones?

Are they still doing that? That's mostly on Spotify. Oh, really? It's either where's Alex Jones or get Nick Fuentes on. That's mostly, or then some people just say release the Epstein files for no reason, which is completely unrelated. But that's also hilarious. I think, you know, get Nick Fuentes and Alex Jones on at the same time.

That would be a heck of a debate or conversation. Somebody quoted just straight up the real deal. I like this. Many viewers said the episode triggered existential reflection rather than inspirational porn. I don't really know what that means. Strong crossover appeals appeal with survival, masculinity and mental resilience. Pretty good. And then criticism was minimal, really.

I mean, people like this guy. It was frank discussions of danger and masculinity. Overall rating through the little algorithm, a solid. solid nine out of 10 for online viewership. Personally, I give it a 7.5, but that's still pretty solid. That's a good, that's a good rating for me. I mean, dude, a nine is like blowing out of the, like, that's freaking... Is there a 10 out of 10 podcast? Does that exist?

I've never done a 10. What was a 9? Some of the UFO ones. Okay. Age of Disclosure, documentary one I really liked. And then, you know, thanks. That was just awesome. Also, we had an F-18 fighter pilot on as a guest when we went through that one, so that

just that whole experience was awesome. He told us that he, like, freaking was flying around one day and saw on his radar like aliens, or UAP. I mean, crazy. But, you know, it takes a lot for that. And to give away a 10 is a bit much. Once you give away 1-10, then you're just like... You're always comparing.

You've kind of blown your own chart. But a 7.5 is solid. I would give it an 8. Okay, give it an 8. These are your ratings. You can rate it however you want. You don't have to do it based on mine. Okay, don't feel pressure.

But anyway, thanks all for listening. I appreciate you so much. And Sean, thank you for joining me. I don't even think I gave you an intro at the beginning. This is Sean, by the way. Whoops, too late. I've been on the show before. They know.

Always a pleasure. They know. All right. We catch you guys next time. Cheers.