Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 503 JRE Review of Raul Bilecky

Episode Date: February 14, 2026

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Enjoy the show. Hey, guys, and welcome to another episode of the Joe Rogan Experience Review. This week, I am joined by Peter. Ready with some more ancient civilization discovery stuff. He loves these, don't you, Pete? I do. They're the best ones. I think a lot of people love them.

Oh, yeah. Well, the alien ones are up there. Oh, yeah. You combine aliens and ancient ruins? Man, what an episode. There was a bit of that in this one. I think so. Those little mummies.

I think so. I think so. This is episode 2449 review of the Joe Rogan experience, Raoul Billacki. Billiki? Bellickey? We're not sure. Bielke.

I forget how to say it. But great guy, interesting, dude. Rogan seems to be a big fan. He's passionate. They were getting on, like, House on Fire, I would say. Yes. I think he's going to be back on. He was a good guest.

It's crazy. He does it all by himself. Wild. Which was the drones. Mm-hmm. Yeah, he's out there. It was a field-heavy episode focused on Peru's remote archaeological sites, large stone structures, looting.

preservation and the tension between independent explorers and academic institutions as always. The conversation moves between boots on the ground, documentation, viral anomalies like the Peru alien mummies, and broader questions about how history gets recorded or erased. A lot of erased. I mean, look, most of history gets erased. away, blown away, stolen, melted down, sunk, chipped to little blocks,

hit with an asteroid. What else? Gobbled up. Gobbled up, yep. Mm-hmm, that's all of them. Hit with a stick, maybe? That's on the list. Yeah.

That's on the list. But yeah, let's start with a looting. That one was, I don't want to say a shock. I mean, obviously it's happening. But in that area, it seemed quite prevalent. Yeah, kind of like total, total destruction for one area, eight square kilometers.

Mm-hmm. It took it all. It's sad. And there he mentions this over and over, but it's sad because it's human bodies. Yeah. Just ripped apart. And then trash everywhere, all through the excavation sites. Just chuclea rappers and Marlboro Reds. Yeah. They just take, you know, ancient priceless pottery and they're like, there you go, Coke bottle. How about that? Good tradeoff. It kind of reminds me when Indiana Jones swapped out the solid gold head for the little bag of sand, but just not quite as good.

Yeah, even that was Wade correctly, they think. He's kind of eyeballed that whole thing, didn't he? He just scooped sand in a bag. I wouldn't make any sense. Gold is way heavy than sand. What was it? Hollow? Could be?

Nah. Not back then. Even as a little kid, I was like, I'm pretty sure gold is heavier. That was probably a pre-Incan culture, too. that they were looking at. That's right. Yeah. What a movie.

So good. It holds up, too. Yeah. The first Indiana Jones is brilliant. I mean, they're all good. Throw me the idol. So good. Ther by the whip.

And he runs off. That naughty man. Alfred Molina, what an actor. He is. Actor. He's great. Yeah. And, you know, to think that Raoul is the only guy, you know, that they know of that's really

been down there to document that. He finds a new structure. every time he goes down or something like that. Well, you know, to think that like most places have been discovered, like to be an explorer today, my whole life growing up, I'm like, what's the point? Everywhere's been discovered. Exactly. No, it hasn't.

It still hasn't. No. He just did this. Right. To think that's all of the places. And then you have other little, like, oh, it's just in the Amazon or it's just in Africa. Well, it's because it's out of the jungle. No, it's going to be under the jungle.

I don't know. It's going to be under the sand as well. Sahara, probably. Uh-huh. And... Well, this is right out in the open. Peru, yeah, but it's miles from anywhere. Right. You've got to put some work in. Yeah. Got to put some work in to get over there.

Have some sweet drones. I'm glad he brings two, because sometimes they malfunction. Mm-hmm. I like all his videos. He's got, like, either a camera is stuck on his head, or he's got the pole one or a thing on his chest. Stick. He's just loaded up with his go-pros. He's passionate about this.

Super passionate. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I would be, too. I mean, that's like his cultural heritage, really. He's half Peruvian or something. Yeah. Finding seashells at Machu Picchu started this off for him.

That's right. When he was what, like 10? 10. Well, but think how inspiring that would be. You're 10 years old. You know, seashells come from the sea. So you've learned enough to know, oh, they're from the ocean.

Obviously, creatures are in the ocean. Now you find him at 12,000 feet. Hundreds of miles away. Way from the sea. and then you ask the question, well, why? And then somebody says, oh, because it wasn't always like this. And this is what happened. And all of a sudden, your whole paradigm of what the earth is and how it works changes.

Even your fragile, tiny little scope of what time is changes. And it opens up so broadly. And you're like, wait, hang on. How big? Where? When? Why? How far does this go?

How far and deep do I need to explore to get all the answers? How deep do the seashells go? What are they for? Did they grow here? There's all kinds of questions like a 10-year-old would just go to. It really does highlight the importance of kind of putting kids, young kids, in situations to kind of really inspire them to. Expand their brains. Because you never know what can come from it.

Yeah, there are future brain scientists and leaders, so we need to... You could encourage some kid to go to a museum one day, and in the future he could change the world. And all you did was just, or she. How dare I? I'm just joking. No, but how dare I? How dare you? Female Indiana Jones.

That could be a good remake. That's called Tomb Raider. Oh, I did it again. I did it again. She is a vixen. She could find ancient structures. She's got some guns. She's got a couple of structures of herself, doesn't she?

We do digress. Back to the pyramids. Grave robin, pirate private buyers. That's devastating. Sneaky. Makes sense, though. I would imagine that there is a lot of really priceless art, not just historical artifacts, but a lot of cool stuff in private.

um, you know, collections. Probably the best ones. Probably the best. Yeah, those elongated skulls because they're,

they're not super common, but they're everywhere down there. Maybe they were a lot more common. They're all filtered off to private investors and private people. Yeah. Did they mention the crystal skulls?

I didn't catch that. I don't think so. Are they real? Yeah. There are some crystal skulls in existence. What's the deal with that? Well, let me just take a peek.

Have a look. while you're looking that up, let's keep going. I mean, this episode repeatedly returns to the looting as kind of like the central crisis, I would say.

Like, the sites are not just being explored, but they're really being stripped. Bones scattered everywhere. Like, when they were, during the pod, if you watch the pod, this is a good one to watch. Yeah, you have to watch this one. Because the chambers are open. and, you know, everything's destroyed.

And it's just a, you know, you just see the devastation everywhere. And the vast plains is what? You just can't get a real picture of the scope of it all either. Yeah, the stark bones next to the dry sand, the skulls everywhere. Mm-hmm. And when he talks about kind of the black market economy as well, it kind of incentivizes. the speed of the looting and, you know, all of the archaeology that kind of is around that. And there's no way to secure it either.

They just don't have any of the forces to do that. The culture of antiquities or something like that, the Peruvian government body is so overworked and underpaid and corrupt and stretched. thin. There's so many sites down there that they just cannot get to them. Yeah.

Such a shame. Let's get down there. Let's get down there. Get a whip. Mm-hmm. You need a couple. One for each hand. I predict

for being blind in two months. Wipped in the eye. Ouch. We got to practice. You got to practice. So you can swing from stuff. That's right.

How did how did he swing and then get it off the branch. That would make any sense. Yeah, it seems like it'd be real tangled up. It'd just be stuck on that. A lot of wiggling and then it kind of messes

up his timelines. That would have been way better in the movie if he's like, hold on. Just a wiggle. Hold on. Almost got it. I got it. I got it. I redid it again. Couple of minutes. Yeah, the massive stone structures in like the pyramid like platforms. Man, I wish we could go back

and see what there is. And again, the best they're ever going to be to do is just a bunch of speculation. But the huge stone blocks on those elevated platforms. In set into the ground? Just so massive. Joe seems to think they were carved out of the ground, but maybe this is another situation where they were placed in the ground.

You would think that they would be able to tell that, though, right? I don't think they really covered that topic too much. Well, they probably would have to excavate down and see that it's like, oh, it's like stuck. And I guess the last time somebody even went there was in the 80s. He was the most recent explorer to go there. Yeah, I mean, they claim that there's like very little modern formal study in that area for whatever reason. Probably because of how isolated it is, how far it is from civilization and everything else. It's just so remote that, you know, it's hard to get expeditions out there.

So Raul asserts he may be the only person documenting that site in any depth. There's probably a few like that. That's a huge amount of pressure on that guy. And Joe really kind of, you know, expresses that in this episode. He's like, man, you are the only guy. Raoul kind of gets choked up a little bit. Yeah, he does. He's like, yeah, oh.

I know it's a lot of pressure. They brought up SARA research, the new imaging technology from the pyramids we talked about. Right. And implementing that down there. That would be great to get that over there. You know, they did talk about that large, megalithic structure. It would be great to get that scanning on that thing, you know, because you could imagine it's got to go down. All those things that would have to go down in good ways.

At least 50 feet is what that guy was saying, the little map he brought out. It would make sense. I mean, it would make sense even further than that. I mean, those structures are so massive and heavy. Just to think that they're just resting on the surface of anything, it's not really how you build anything that's meant to last. Also, why build so robustly? Why build so big?

It kind of like just to live in? Right. It's like the stonework appears so advanced and intentional and in the middle of nowhere. it must have used to have been something else of course not just a dusty plane um he thinks they date back way past the younger dryest impact event right and they were um and this they mentioned our boy graham hancock yeah quite a bit about the his speculation he's one of the only other guys that is really thinking about that from my from my from my little i know about it yeah

What was that building they were talking about, some object that they found, and he discussed it, that they built some building around it because it was too large to move. And there's kind of like some speculation to what it is. And there. Was it about the worry culture? I can't remember. There was some talk of it in the pod. Man, I wish I'd take it. There was so much going on in this one.

Every sentence was kind of like that. It was at the point where they were basically just discussing all sorts of, you know, kind of unexplained, ancient, unusual structures kind of all over the world. And one of them was just, it's so large that whoever is there built a building and a structure. or around it with the idea of either hiding it or studying it. And that's kind of the idea because they just can't move it. They can't do anything else with it. So it's like a way to keep it, you know, hidden away.

There's so many layers of habitation there. There's the Incan, which was the most recent pre-colonial civilization on that area. And then they had the Wari, which were before the Inkins. and they lasted for probably a few thousand years. Right. But the structures that are there, that are the megalithic structures, are, they predate that.

So even the oldest people we know in the region just built their little cobblestone walls on top of these huge rocks. Right. Like there's evidence of that sort of stuff at Machu Picchu as well. Sure. Sure. On those marshmallow stones,

did you catch that one? Right. Yep. I mean, you know, this is around that point in the pod where Joe said, this is what makes me want to run for president, all of it, like knowing all of these things, because that would be the first thing that he asked. It's like if he could use his popularity for anything to find out these answers.

And how he would do it would be to run for president with the sole mission. Like he would hate everything else about that job. Right. With the sole mission of just getting access to be like, right, First things first. Figure out everything about these ancient sites and also show me all the alien shit. And then he afterwards immediately resigns. His shin kicks his chief of staff.

Yeah. He just kicks him through a wall, back, spin kicks him. Let me see the evidence. Yeah. They're like, we can't let you in this room. He's all, yeah. He just takes a bunch of UFC guys with him. Let him in.

That's his staff. His chief of staff is like. Sean Strickland. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. Controversial. Controversial. It'd be a bad move.

But, yeah, just to get some of these answers, I don't know. All right, let's jump over to the Peru alien-looking mummies. Now, this was interesting because almost everyone else has been talking about this has been blown away by it. Yeah. And I have been pretty excited about it, too. And I think this is one of those things where you get confirmation bias. You get too excited You hear a couple of people agreeing

And you want to believe so bad And then you just stop You know Being rational And as soon as Raoul started talking about it And being like well Let me tell you what I think And then you decide

I did a whole video on this As soon as he started explaining it to me I was like Ah shit They're fake We were bamboozled Either they were based on something or just completely made up.

Well, when they were describing that it's the same basically 20 guys that have been bringing these mummies forward and saying, look what we've found, and they've been doing it periodically for the past 15, 20 years. And each time they've done it,

they have been proven to be fake, but each reiteration gets slightly better. and each time the bits that get better are the bits that were proven fake the previous time. They were teaching him how to do it with MRIs. Exactly. It's basically like they're reverse engineering how to fake it. They're like really skilled taxidermists.

Sure. They just take all the bits of other things and put them together. Put them together. Oh, this, but one piece is the metatarsals where it had arthritis where the body was a teen, but the feet were an old man. Yeah. Couldn't they just take DNA out of the bones, though?

Yes. And then they'd be like, that's a lizard. Or it's human. And this is a fish. Yeah. And this is a human. They look so real. Yeah.

The skin's all like cohesive and one layer. It just blows me away. Yeah. How they can make those things. And the one is pregnant. And then it has the metal piece on its neck that's like kind of rare and I don't know. A lot of cool stuff in this episode.

It's very cool. But I will say, for the record, I'm with Raul on this, you're going to have to come up with something pretty compelling with those mummies now. I'm kind of happy to dismiss it. You're not going to lose any sleep over that one, huh? No. What about the elongated skulls? Weird.

Those are cool. Yeah. But weren't they doing stuff like that? that, squishing brains? They did it in here in the United States as well with the Flathead Indians, Native Americans. Right.

The Egyptians also had, I think, had Nefertiti had an elongated skull. And that's another thing. Was it based on something they saw and they were replicating it? Or did it come out of nowhere? They were trying to emulate corn, maybe. There's a few different ideas.

But there is one that doesn't have the regular sutures. That one they showed was like, you know, the bottom of the list, and it was, you know, 20% larger. It had bigger orbital sockets and a huge bulbous back of the head. Yeah. It looked like you could have like two brains in there. Whoa.

So maybe it is like a way to expand your brain cavity. Yeah. Do some real thinking. Real thinking. That's literally thinking outside the box, though. Imagine his ideas or hers. There were both, definitely. I like it.

Yeah, I don't know about all that That's very interesting though The brain's squishing It would have been Very strange to see somebody doing that Very distinguishing Features though I wonder if that hurts

Maybe if you do it very young It's probably not a problem I don't think it hurts So they got squishy heads They just they wrap it I think They wrap it from birth Oh And then maybe they put a board in there

At some point Mm-hmm Wow Yeah, the Native Americans in this region would tie it to the front and back so they'd have like kind of a chisel-shaped head. I don't think that does anything for your brain. What was the point of that? I don't know. Be taller, more attractive.

Look cool. Just, you know how culture gets weird when you're all alone. Run faster? Aerodynamics? Probably aerodynamics. Maybe they're right at a big lake. Maybe they swim really fast. Yeah? Torpedo heads.

Imagine if that worked. They were like, look how fast they can swim. one. And then you're like, oh, that actually does work. Probably keeps the other tribes from wanting your ladies, that's for sure. Oh, because you're like the Klingons. Because of the big old flatheads. You're like, whoa, these guys look wild. I'd like to see one.

It's very distinctive. You know, it's a way to stand out. I mean, you know, cultures would tattoo themselves. Look scary in combat. Yeah. Look bigger. Mm-hmm. You know. A lot, you've got to think back, intimidation is a big part of everything with, with protection and warfare and you name it. Yeah, having a high opinion of others is the safest way to be safe. If they're scary, you know, you're not going to pick on them.

Oh, for sure. Oh, what about the knotted string system? What do they call it, the key, kie, kipoos maybe? Mm-hmm. Kui-poo, there we go. Kui-poo. Yeah. Not only...

Incan, not his string communication. Or they think it's communication. They're still not sure if it was a language. He said that there was one Mayan that made it all the way to Spain that read one for the king. He mentioned that part. Oh. There was an incident where somebody did read one. In the past, we thought they were just numbering systems way of accounting,

but maybe they represent sounds. Not just numbers. Yeah. You would think that AI could figure that out. Probably. You know, or eventually. When is it going to start breaking these codes? It has been deciphering some old texts.

Some ancient stuff. Yeah. Okay. It's getting used. Get on with it. Hurry up. Chat GPT. Look at me just handing out these orders.

Like I could do any of it. All I can do is type in my little interface here and then... Play your eyes. I just write, do it, push it enter. It's like, it doesn't even know what I want it to do. More, just do that. Mine just gave my money back as like, you're not using me right. It just feels sorry for you.

It's like, you haven't asked me any good questions. You could have just Googled those. Nine times 17. Anything multiplied by 10, and it's like, you don't have to pay for this. Stop. Please don't waste your money. Yeah. It is just so sad to think that when like the Spanish came in and they they wanted to impose their religion so strongly that they destroyed all of the history. Beautiful codices, like these big folded books.

I just wonder what the assimilation value of that is. I mean, look, when the Romans were assimilating everyone in Europe and around Asia and it, It wasn't like they destroyed, did they destroy every bit of everyone's culture as they went? Surely not. They did a little bit, but they also were pretty diplomatic. They wanted you to have your gods in their temple. They would like make a statue of it. And they would preserve culture, not just, it's called synchronicity.

It seems to make sense to do that a little bit. You don't want to step on the people. Yeah. Just be like, look, you're paying our taxes and working for us now, and you can keep, your stuff. Yeah. Keep it mostly the way that it was. On and off, it was very, on and off.

Also, do you have any cool stuff? Because we want to figure out if you've got, if you can do things better than we can. That's a smart way to learn. It is. And they were like that because they were kind of Jimbros. They would like, got their culture from the Greeks.

Mm-hmm. And they went, went east and got a lot of metallurgy technologies from over there. Maybe it was just a real ignorant period. I think that that was it. this it was breeding ignorance the leaders were imbred literally and riddled with disease doesn't let your brain work too well that's what it was syphilis didn't actually didn't that travel the other way yeah probably like the europeans got that from the americas right when they got here they got it right and they were rotting away they brought smallpox yeah the Europeans did and now

seems to have wiped out like all of Central and South America. They think maybe foodborne hepatitis. There's a lot of, probably quite a few pathogens that did the natives in here.

Yeah, a great book about that is 1491 by Charles Seaman and then the lost city of the monkey god. I forget who that one's by, but that talks about kind of, it's Honduras area. Oh, okay. And same.

thing. The Spanish got to Mexico and then the sick people went everywhere else traveling with these diseases. Really? Yes. So it moved faster than an army could. It was devastating for the population.

That's wild. Yeah, no good. Where was Fauci then to tell them to wear their masks? He was probably maybe we need that maybe they had their Fauci back then. Sacrifice more babies. With a mask on.

That's probably what they, that was their solution for everything. And a lot of these mummies they're finding in the high plains of Peru were child sacrifices. Is that right? Yeah. Some of the most intact ones were wrapped up, put on like a huge ledge. They got them drunk. They've exposed them. So they died from the elements. The babies?

like 10 year olds, 11 year olds Oh, they were drunk though They would give them like cheetah or something like that It's a corn, a corn beer Oh For the gods For the gods For like good weather or good luck

Or some rain It's probably rain Because at some point that place dried out considerably It's one of the driest places in the world So yeah, you got to do anything To get that rain going Didn't work

You would think after a while you're like, I don't think this is working, guys. Should we try something else? I think that happened, and that's how governments were overthrown back then. The Kings, but takes all your kids, and then doesn't, the floods still come and kill everybody else.

He's out of there. Get room. He's out of that. That happened in the Hopewell culture, Southeast of United States. Mm-hmm. What about the talk between academic institutions and, like, the independent explorers? So this is always where the debate

gets heavy, right? This is what Graham Hancock's always up against. You know, this is the big fight. And my hope is one day that the, you know, the lines between this start to meld and then blend and then cross over. And then it's like now the academic pursuit is basically as open as the independent one, you know, where the lines are just more, it's like, hey, yeah, we have our time. timeline that was mostly predicted, but it's now far more flexible. It's more of a plus or minus type thing than here was when this was made. It's like here's where there's a range. The pyramids were made probably in this range type of thing, which I think is a way more honest approach to history

realistically. Yeah, that's... You know, we're pretty good back to the Romans and maybe the Greeks, but beyond that, why are we trying to be like exact with those things? It's really hard when you don't have any text

to base off, base the digs off of in your timelines, because we have Greek and Roman texts that we kind of deciphered and, oh, this is where Troy was. They found out where Troy was from the Odyssey. and did a dig and there it is.

Right. And we can line it up with like different walls and conquests and then we know when that happened in the other places from their writings. So we're like, okay, that happened there,

then. So that must have happened here at this time. So this kind of lines up. So there's two pieces. But when you've just got the pyramids on its own, yeah, you have things

happening around the pyramid. and after the pyramids with the pharaohs and other things. But no story about right then at the beginning or whatever. Yeah, the great, the, the, the whole younger Darius impact washed it all the way, scoured it with snow and wash it away when the floods are seated. Mm-hmm. So Graham thinks. That's what he thinks. Yeah.

Yep. And Randall. Good old Randall. And Robert. Robert Schock. One of the big things that was really interesting for me Was the DNA testing of some of those bones Some of them came back as European bones

Like a Baltic area or Turkey something like that Really? Yeah they found They have red hair A lot of these elongated skulls have red hair Huh That was interesting Tons of traveling man Yeah our world was not just separate and segregated

Like we I almost expected to have been Sure there was people from over there coming over here coming over there or were they here and went over there stealing our jobs uh-huh are long-headed women

yeah I mean it doesn't surprise me that we could have been traveling all around and exploring and being like not just nomads locally it's like why couldn't we have been really good

at just traveling vast distances. It can happen. Even if you just island hop, you can get across the whole world, essentially. Up through Greenland, towards Europe. I mean, you know, if you, like, essentially back then, everyone was good at surviving off the land. Yeah.

And if you have you. And if you can hunt and, you know, pretty good at, like, coming up with clever ways to store foods and get more foods. A lot of fishing. You could just keep moving. Catching birds. Following rivers and... The problem with...

And the archaeology with that is that's next to water. And the water changes. It goes up and it goes down. And it goes up and it floods sites and it goes down and it takes it with them. So it destroys the history. So there's... Some of the oldest occupations in North and South America

are in Chile. Kind of interesting, right? That the oldest occupation is in Chile. Not America, not Alaska. but way down there. They think it was from, you know, people in skinned boats going from island to island. Makes sense.

Just coasting down the coast. Right. With your whole family, home is wherever you make it. So it's not like a, this is your life. And you end up maybe 200 miles from where you're born and your kids are 200 miles from that. Just keep going. Kind of a cool way to think about our ancestors.

Yeah. And it just seems like, Like back then, because you wouldn't know how vast the land is, it's just like the world could be infinitely big. You just keep traveling. A lot of Slavs in this area. Let's move on. Shoot those things. Yeah.

Maybe there's more food this way. Keep going. Brothers argue. One goes that way. One goes that way. This is tail as old as Cane and Abel. That's a good point. Yeah.

Wild. Or older, I guess. No. Not as old. He's the first one. That's the first one. I guess. The second group of people.

Pretty dogmatic in this studio. What a rules. So, yeah, just to kind of recap some of the... I mean, it does really make me want to travel to some of these places. You know, we talk about them so much. They come up on Rogan so much. I mean, it's been over... What is it now?

We've been listening to Rogan for like 17 years. How crazy is that? Incredible. It's almost two decades of listening to Rogan on and off talk about ancient sites. And the best I've done is Stonehenge, which was down the road from my house anyway, where I was born. That's hilarious. Uh-huh. I mean...

And Stonehenge was rebuilt, wasn't it? Well, we lived in New Mexico. You know, there's some really wild. old stuff in New Mexico, too. They really can't explain how it was built and why it was there, like up in some cliffs. Yeah, there's quite a few those sites around the United States. And here in Montana, I think there's a megalithic wall.

Oh, yeah. What is it called? There's something wall. Montana wall. No, it's not. What is it called? Let's do it justice. Do it right.

I want to go to Malta and see those. I want to go to Ganang Panang. Sage wall Sage wall, it's called Sage wall, huge blocks, right? Yeah, it's on someone's land though so it's got to make an appointment it's kind of difficult to get on there

but it's not that far from here We should do, that's our first one It's near Bute That should be our first one Let's do that, we do a pod on it We make a whole proper episode and we make a time of it And then maybe that will be

The inspiration To like propel us to do others and we do a series of them. Okay. Why not? Why not? We can do it. We have the technology. Yeah. And then we're getting older, you know. Well, look, we're going to be reviewing these episodes every time Rogan has one of these guests on and it's going to add to our breakdowns of those episodes because we have more

of an idea of like, oh, remember this or remember that stuff. It's like right now it's just like things we saw on a show. Right. Where's our? Instead of having like, I want to stand next to it and be like, holy shit, that is crazy. This wasn't natural. There's no more. There's no way. Yeah, there's all these blocks are right angles running for a mile or something.

And you can't even fit a piece of paper in between them. Yeah. I want to be as blown away as these guys are that came, come on this show. There's a reason that they're so passionate about it. They're not just wacky dudes that had nothing else to do. there maybe they are but some of them are but they

they have seen some things that have just been so mind blowing to them that it's like overwhelming proof that incredible civilizations happened in the past with massive feats of engineering capabilities

and it doesn't make any sense that they could do it and modern archaeology is like totally dismisses it or says that they just chipped away with old stone tools. And they didn't find any evidence of tools at most of these sites. The big problem with the sites in Peru

is a lot of that seems like it was tsunamied away. Oh yeah. So a lot of it looks very washed. And pillaged. Washed away. Stolen. Yeah.

Everything is just kind of gone. It'd be nice if they just left like a little box, though. A little toolbox. Let's take a picture of it and then I'll upload it to Twitter and... Just a cabinet.

One little cabinet with some tools in. Can we get a cabinet? Just leave it in there. Can you just want? One whole mummy, please. Oh, a filing cabinet with just some drawings. A couple of plans. I wonder if they had paper.

They definitely had cloth. Papyrus. That's Egyptian. Maybe there's papyri. Papyri. Papuuses. They would have had some... Banana leaves.

Yep. They would have had something. That's Asian. Okay. Back then. All right, dude. Just... Avocado leaves.

Just brainstorming. We're just spitball in here, everybody. Yeah, yeah. Something with coconuts. Are you thinking of a bra? Making the horse noses. Yeah. Making the horse noses.

Patsy? Look, I love this episode. I found it fascinating. I think it's inspiring us to go check out ancient sites. If anyone has that's listening and is really into this kind of thing, shoot us an email. I want to know where to go, where you recommend that we go first. At least help us put a list together because you want to do it in the right order. It's an expensive and difficult undertaking.

And, you know, Machu Picchu's got to be on there for sure. And go Beckley-Tepi. I want to go to those underground carved out of the stone, like those places. I think they're in Turkey. Oh, go Beckley-Tepi? No, no, no, it's like underground And they just like dug it out The Russian ones?

No, I think it's in Turkey Oh, you're talking, Darren Kuyu Yes, I want to go to those Deepwell And it's like, they could hold like 20,000 people and it's all cut Out of the Rock. Capadocia.

And they're just like, why, what? Yeah, and every civilization used them, but nobody knows who made them. Yeah. The Christians hid there, the Muslims hid there, before that, the Zoroastrians potentially.

Mm-hmm. And nobody knows. It was just there. But I think there was some stuff describing living underground in like the Sumerian texts of what they call it?

Their emergence texts, their first people's stories, and in the Bad Vigita of India. Ooh. Which is super old. They talk about lightning, you know, basically nuclear battles in the

sky and the people had to hide. Wow. Aliens. The aliens. There, yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, online feel and vibe of this episode, the supporters, there's more out there than we're being told.

Though, there was some skeptics. Oh, yeah. Interesting footage, but conclusions exceed evidence. So there we go. Did we even hear any conclusions? Not really. He was just showing us. Yeah.

And then there were some moderates. Even if timelines don't change, preservation is urgent. So the alien mummy dismissal improved credibility for some viewers. It did with me. I thought that was a really good point. Others remain cautious about claims lacking peer-reviewed excavation data. But, you know, these guests aren't the peer-reviewed guys. So relax.

Also, if you can't get an archaeologist to peer-review it, then how will it be peer reviewed? They're so close-minded. That's a good point. They won't even peer review it. There's no peers. No peers. Episode rating when ran through our system, our AI system that just scans all the online stuff. 8.1 out of 10, high. Yeah. High rating. I mean, it makes sense. This is right up Joe's alley. This is old school. Joe Rogan. This is what we look for. This is what the fans like. Strong visual curiosity and meaningful preservation, urgency.

slight reduction for speculative leaps that rely on inference rather than formal excavation data. Yeah, bit of a takeaway. Joe does do that. Final thoughts. Whatever history ultimately says, the material record is being damaged in real time. There are changes. The loud debate is about timelines. the quiet crisis is about looting.

And that's kind of the big message here. How are they going to stop that looting? I have no idea. But I hope Raul gets down there again. I hope he has a bit more funding next time. I hope he can take a bigger team. Do more measurements. Definitely get that satellite over there

that can kind of scan and get some better readings. That would be cool if they could really get under the ground and see if there's some stuff under there. kind of 3D like rebuild it with some sort of AI system that would be pretty sweet make a map of all those

deep big stones yeah save it there but that's it for this one I hope you enjoyed it definitely check it out if you like the ancient civilization stuff we liked it thank you so much for listening we will talk to you guys next time

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