Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 505 JRE Review of Cheryl Hines

Episode Date: February 18, 2026

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This might be the worst podcast or the best one a whole time. One, go. Enjoy the show. Hey guys, and welcome to another episode of the Joe Rogan Experience Review. This week, Brandon and I are reviewing Cheryl Hines' appearance on Joe Rogan. Cheryl Hines is American actress, director and producer best known for her role on Larry David's... Oh, as Larry David's wife on Curb Your Enthusiasm. That was a great show.

Did you ever watch that, Brandon? Yes, very good. Did you watch the whole thing? Were you like that type of a fan? I didn't watch the whole thing. It's like what, 15 seasons? It's something crazy. I've seen all of Seinfeld, but yeah, I got to make some time for sure to finish that.

I'm the same. I've jumped in and out of enough episodes to know how brilliant it is, but I have not watched all of them. But an amazing show. She's hilarious in it. She is very good. Also, the wife of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. So quite the life. But yeah, let's start off with a little bit of kind of fan reception of this episode.

Yeah, there's a lot to get into for sure. So she's touring her book unscripted, which should be interesting because especially with what she was saying about RFK, especially at the end of the podcast. I'd love to know more about that, how he was denied Secret Service and all that. But we'll get into that later. Oh, yeah, that was messed up. But yeah, so reception, what a terrible time to be on the show right now, you know, if you're not talking about the Epstein files because it seems like every single comment is just talk about Epstein, talk about Epstein. It's all anyone wants to do.

At the same time, there were some funny things. Like literally the top comment on YouTube on this podcast is so good. It's this has having a conversation with your bro's wife in the kitchen while you wait for him to come downstairs vibes. This feels like I'm eavesdropping on an awkward first date. I love it. Like, yeah, you know, I get that vibe. And they also say the word crazy like 20,000 times in this episode. Yeah, I counted it.

Everything says, that's crazy. That's crazy. honestly a lot of people when they talked about like the actual quality of the episode instead of just like

making jokes about it seemed to like like like like it. Oh yeah. It was surprisingly good. Yeah. And she's just like into it and she's a very sociable

and normal and really down to earth for somebody that's not only been on one of the top shows in the country for a long time, very famous because of that. But also married to a Kennedy. I mean,

She's just very normal. Very cool. Married to a Kennedy. How insane is that? Yeah. What a life. And, yeah, just speaks to kind of just how cool she is. And then, you know, Rogan, I mean, he's a super celebrity, but also, you know, represents that kind of very normal version of one.

So you get them together. They, like, know that wildlife, but they're just also like, yeah, okay. Well, you just get home with it, I guess. That's how you do it. Yeah, just keep moving forward, I guess. Yeah, there was a lot to like in this episode. Were there any moments that really stood out to you here? Well, I mean, her having to go through

Rogan playing animal predatory clip was just brilliant. I mean, for one, he's like, have you seen that one where the monkey rips the hair off the guy's head? And she's like, no, Joe. Like what kind of clips do you think that I sit around watching? What's so funny about that whole thing is like something's brought up about spiders. And she's like, oh, I hate spiders. And he's like, oh, well, guess what I fucking ate like 20 of them.

Oh, and I'd have them crawl on my face. I fucking ate crickets too. How do you like that? Yeah. Like it was like he was trying to like scare her. And she's like, yeah, I don't like what like any of that stuff. And it's like also there was a whole thing where it's like ever see a prey man to eat like a hummingbird.

And she's like, I don't want to see any of that. And he's like, oh, well, let's watch a fucking chimp rip someone's fucking face off then. Yeah. Like, it was like, Jamie, pull that up. Crazy. Pull that up, Jamie. And Jamie pulls it up. They don't even show it on the visual because even Jamie's like, dude, I'm not showing anybody this.

This is fucked up. Yeah, it's just for Cheryl to watch. Just for Cheryl to educate her on gruesome animal attacks. She learned a lot about the animal kingdom on this episode. episode. And there was even some unverifiable stuff. He was like, yeah, the ants, the female ants will rip the legs off the male and drag him into the den. And, and, uh, Jamie couldn't find anything on it. I think Joe dreamt that. And yeah, they got into a little bit of a feud for a second. Because he's like, well, you know, look at here. Well, I saw somewhere. And he's like, and Jamie's like, well, not, I don't think you did. It's, it's not real. And he's like, well, like, they got it a little back and forth, which was funny over fucking. ants of all things. Jamie's like, well, the entire internet disagrees with you. So I'm going to just leave it of that. He's like, well, I took DMT and talked to an ant in a vision. And apparently that's what they do. I saw it. Yeah, they talked to about owls, which was sick and all that.

Owls are really, you know, their eyes can't move. Oh, is that why they turn their heads like that? Yeah. Yeah. Their eyeballs are like, um, fixed in their socket. Isn't that insane? Well, you know, that's why they move their head. You know how Rogan was saying that they're dumb birds? Yeah. Well, it's, they are in comparison to other birds in terms of like their brain development, but it's only because evolutionarily they're like the oldest,

one of the oldest types of birds. So it's just that they, they evolved this way to be so effective that they didn't continue evolving and therefore get better brains. It's like sharks are very old creatures so they don't need very complex brains. They're not seen as very smart creatures but they're still going to fuck everything up

because they're just absolute killer machines and this is what owls are. They just evolved to be the perfect organism. Right. It's like why did other birds continue evolving but they're so much noisier? Like what a dumb predator. Owls don't make any noise.

You're telling me we came up with stealth flight 150 million years ago and then all we made after that was noisy-ass pigeons. Exactly. It doesn't make any sense. It's funny because Joe Rogan has this like, he has this kind of like weird animal autism to him where any time something is remotely brought up

about animals, he has to go down to this whole tangent. And the best example of that is when he had guy for a Fiori on, whatever his name is. What's that guy with the frost tips? Yeah. Yeah. Where he's like, yeah. So my dad died and I believe he came back as an owl.

And it was one of the most, you know, beautiful things. And then Joe's like, you know, owls are fucking idiots. You know, they're like one of the stupidest fucking birds ever. Yeah. Dude, it's so funny. You have to watch it. That is great. That is great.

Guys like, do you just call my dad like an idiot? My dad father? It's like one of the funniest things. Yeah, man, I think it was cool. I love hearing cool animal facts about like rats and prey mantises and all that. Well, I just like the fact that Joe is Joe. He's going to take you where he likes to go with these conversations if you let him. I mean, that's where Joe's going to go, right?

If you come in with a lot to say and you're on a mission to like just kind of preach your message, then Joe will give you space for that. But if not, guaranteed it's going to go to animal attacks, something about hunting or elk, and who knows, aliens. I mean, it's going to go there. That's what's just rattling around in his brain all the time. Or politics. You might get upset about the COVID again, of course.

Right. Yeah. I feel like anytime there's like a comic on like Andrew Santino or something, it's like that whole podcast was some just like talking politics to Santino. And I feel like that's one of the things. I feel like with this one though, it was a little more of a natural conversation and it wasn't all those like classic Rogan bullet points. No, there was some good stuff about like living in L.A. like reflections of fame, which were cool. You know, when she was talking about like what? was it about LA you didn't like you know he's talking about that transition from New York to L.A., you know, getting his show canceled. This podcast is brought to you by Rocket Money. I used to spend many hours each month trying to sort out my finances before Rocket Money. But now with Rocket Money, I get to save all that time and I can put it towards spending time with my family, my friends, going to the gym, reading books is truly wonderful. Rocket Money is a purpose. A lot of personal finance app that helps find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions, monitors your spending,

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if you really want to live in that kind of celebrity life. And that's not Rogan. You know, he just wants to go to martial arts gyms and comedy clubs and kind of grungy, grimy, poor halls. And, you know, he couldn't find that scene there. There's just kind of, of embracing all that kind of fakeness and clout, you know, and clout chasing bullshit. And it's not his style. So it was difficult for him to find that balance there. And also the whole fame thing. I mean, you know, I believe Joe when he said, honestly, I didn't expect this pod to do this.

I kind of just would have preferred to just be Be list. You know, I want to keep working. I want to have some money. But B-List would have been fine. And if his part had not taken off and he had just carried on doing the UFC with how big the UFC is now, he would be B-List.

He'd just be the announcer of the UFC that used to do Fear Factor and he'd be making decent money. You know, I don't know what he gets paid as the UFC announcer, but I'm sure it would be a couple. couple of million a year plus and especially with how big the UFC is now it would be more than enough for him to stay relevant and live a really good life and probably be able to go most

places without being super bothered but now it's way different now we got navy seals you know scanning the property every night i assume right doesn't he have like navy seal guards oh yeah at his at his place, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Dude, listen, billionaires would have to pay an incredible amount of money to get the same message out

to the people of the world in terms of, you know, advertisement or however they would get a message out. And all you'd have to do is just go on Rogan and do the same thing. I mean, this is the platform that Rogan has created and he can do it for anyone. And he makes the decision.

Like, that is an unbelievable amount of power. He's the most listened to person in the world. And it's not just listen to, like, people watch the Kardashians. Like, they're not changing the hearts and minds of anybody, even if people watch their show. Like, sure, maybe people change their shopping habits or what makeup they buy. But, like, Rogan can really change. people's thoughts on, hey, who I might vote for, or what policies I follow or what my stances on

a lot of different things that are going on. Just by having one guest on that has a message. Even Cash Patel, when he was on the show, I feel like that changed a lot of people's minds about him in a negative way. Oh, yeah. You know, but I feel like that was kind of the damn breaking. that was like kind of the straw there. Dude, there is. And him saying like, yeah, I didn't like kill himself and all this stuff. And I feel like everyone kind of just came together and was like, this guy's bullshit. Yeah.

So it, as much as it can help you, it could do the opposite effect to the same level. You know, so it is a big platform. It's one of the biggest ever, arguably maybe the biggest. Dude, if you mess up. up on this show or if Rogan makes you look like a dick, it's really hard to recover. I think honestly, the person that recovered the best is Candice Owens, just because she has such a big following still. But when she came on, you know, she made some real blunders with the environment. There were a couple of points that Rogan really caught her out on. She hasn't been on since. They really didn't get on

great. But, you know, she's done fine in her own world. And but there are some other people that have been on. Like Crowder went on, didn't do great. Oh, so bad that one. Yeah. The Crowder one. There, there were just some, who was, what's his name? The fucking Portnay guy, the pizza idiot. Portnoy, the barstool sport. That was so bad. That was awful. Who was the guy, Adam hates everything with the, God, what's that guy's name? Oh, yeah. Let me look it up. I forget what he was debating. Adam hates everything. He was on. It was like one of the worst. Oh, that one. That's who I was thinking, yeah. Dude, he looked terrible. Yeah. Well, he had the dumbest arguments, though. It's like, bro, it's one thing to have that stance. Fair enough. Like, fair enough. But like, just be like, look, this is what I believe, but I understand your point. And yeah, I can't really answer that question. But I just want to be on this side. Rogen was just like, wait, what? But where is, like, give me something else.

Like at least give me a chance to believe what you're saying. He had nothing. There's a lot of people who go on the podcast and just are so not used to pushback. Like they're just living in these like Hollywood like echo chambers. Like who was who came on? This was a while back and was like Elizabeth Warren is awesome. And Joe's like, fucking no she isn't. And she was just stunned.

Like she's never heard anyone push back against her ever. And so it's examples like those that I really love to hear. Like just some of these people just getting so shook and just having no idea how to handle any kind of criticism to something that they've like devoted their beliefs to without really looking into this person critically. which you need to do with any kind of politician or any kind of like strict massive belief. Like if you believe in something and the other side is extremely critical of it, you at least have to look at other side and be like, where are they coming from here? Well, I think that's what he was trying to understand. It's like, look, this is a big point in the narrative online and in the media.

let me have on a guess that represents that side, you know, the best, and hear their argument. And it probably will make sense because, you know, some people are just good debaters and they're going to have a good point. And if it makes sense to me, I'll be open to it. Like, I believe Rogan's open to stuff. And, you know, and also, this is kind of a criticism that Rogan gets. Like, oh, a guest will come on and just have a compelling point. and then all of a sudden that changes Rogan's mind. Hold on, doesn't that just mean you're open-minded? Like, that means you're not stubborn and you're open-minded, right?

Like, aren't you allowed to make mistakes by changing your mind because you hear something compelling? You can always go back. It doesn't mean that you're correct. So the only way, like, why that argument is dumb is because it means, oh, you have to just be stubborn and therefore you have to already know all the answers to things. Like, this is a lot of what those no, the no Rogan guys say on that podcast.

Yeah. It's a big part of their criticism. It's like, oh, somebody goes on Rogan and they're like, blah, blah, blah. And then all of a sudden, he's just like, this is what he thinks for the next eight episodes. Well, yeah, because that's what someone just told him. And he's inclined to believe that person because that person is as far as he knows, an expert in that field. He's,

well, he has people on that he usually trust with that stuff. Like when he was, this is a whole other episode when he was talking about the Epstein files or maybe it was this one where he was like, I don't want to look at it until I have experts on. That's kind of how he goes about everything. Where if he's like, okay,

I want to talk about, you know, this topic, I'm going to find an expert who I trust in that topic and have them on. Of course, he does have people on who he does disagree with or just people who he finds interesting and it kind of picks their brain. But if it's a topic he focuses on, usually he does have someone on he trusts to talk about it. And if that person gives him information, of course,

he's going to be like, well, that's what I believe now. Yeah. And I mean, that makes sense. And it doesn't mean he believes it forever. It's like, okay, give him something, excuse me, something else compelling. And then he's likely to change his mind. That's how people should think. That's how thinkers should think Like good for him You know in politics They call that flip flopping by the way Oh he's a flip flopper

You can't do that in politics You have to have all the answers And never change your mind ever And if anything go more extreme And that's why politicians are dumb And idiots Yeah well We're in this whole debate culture now

With politics Where it's like Your team versus mine And I can't be wrong If you find any holes in my argument, I need to pivot because I know deep down I'm right. But no one is able to have a conversation anymore. No one is able to just talk about issues and say, hey, maybe you do have a point there. I'm going to look into that.

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Investing involves risk. It's so one-sided. It's so you versus me, and it's really bad. It's really bad. It's really bad. I know. When was the last time that they agreed on anything? Probably it was the release of the Epstein files. It's probably the hearings that we see now. Like Pam Bondi's cross-examination is probably the most bipartisan thing I've seen in a long time. Dude, like, you know, it's crazy because even when Trump was running, there were like literal rallies where he's like, do you guys want to know more about the Epstein files and everyone would be like, yes, yes. Yes. and now we're seeing people being like, who cares anymore? Like people who are trying to like defend certain people in the administration.

It's like, I don't know, man. It's like you can't shit. You can't say these things about Obama and then say things about Clinton and then be like, well, they're bad, but the Republicans are okay. You know, or the Republicans are bad and the Democrats are okay. It's no, dude. It's all it's you either believe in it or you don't. You can't cherry pick who's bad and who is.

isn't in this situation. Well, look, let's bring up Rogan. He got named. Leah, let's just talk about it. We've got to get him. We're already. Yeah, we got to talk about it. So Rogan, Rogan was mentioned, and he was mentioned for not going and not communicating. I think of many celebrities that were brought up in the files, he comes out about as clean as you can get. good for Rogan well done um rogan true to his nature is not really that fuck to hang out with rich billionaire type characters doesn't really give a shit i mean he likes him on his show some of them but to be fair like he never had bill gates on you know he's had a lot of the social media people on and i think mainly because he wants to understand the social media frame because of all the docks thing

and, you know, all the bullshit that's gone on with the social media networks. I think because Instagram is so big and Facebook, I think that's why he was so open to having Zuckerberg on a couple of times because it's really running things in that space. And Zuckerberg really wanted to kiss Rogan's ass did not work both times. Let's be honest. I mean, will there be a third time? I'm sure Rogan's up for it. You know, I've heard firsthand from people that know Rogan through the grapevine that Rogan's like straight up can text Zuckerberg questions when he needs him answered about things happening on Instagram. So he's tight in there.

That's not a bad move. You know, if I had this platform, I'd want to be able to do that when it came to Instagram. Like, so why not? Use it for that. But yeah, he's not trying to get on EMPS. Eastine's Island. Now, they didn't bring up that RFK Jr. is flown and hung out with Epstein, though. That didn't come up. He's, I mean, he's on the list. Just flying around, but isn't that worth bringing up? People are going to be dodging this question for a long time. Yeah, Tony Hawk made a massive statement the other day because allegedly got married on the island, which is that not like maybe one of the worst cases? No.

But he apparently cleared it up. I'll have to look more into that. But yeah, man, you know, Tim Dillon has kind of been trying to inch Rogan away from all this. When Tim Dillon was on last, he was kind of saying, well, don't you kind of want to like not endorse these people and not have them on? So you can criticize them since we're comics, you know, and Tim Dillon really, I'm not sure if you've been keeping up with it. his show, but has really been critical about certain people. And where before he was kind of just embracing people, he was going to dinners with certain people in the administration.

Now he's, it's full like torched earth. He got in tight with J.D. Vance and some of those guys around the election. And I think something happened that, and I think it was the Epstein stuff. I think it was as soon as they were like, nah, there's nothing over there. Don't even look at it. I think he went scorched earth and went. Fuck you guys. Yeah.

The plane has hit the second seafood tower. That's what I heard. I'm not sure if you heard J.D. Vance bought him like, you know, got him like a seafood tower or some shit. And he's like, yeah, we talked. He got me seafood. But, yeah, man, you know, with RFK coming on, that's something we should definitely. definitely review because, like, that'd be crazy if they don't talk about that or the Epstein files in general. Now, yeah, so, God, like, where do we start with this? Like, well, let's just

talk about some of the craziness. What's that website that you've been going to? J-mail. J-mail. So it looks like it's basically like a copy of a Gmail account. And, And it's just like an index of all the emails. It looks just like Jeffrey's Gmail account is what it would look like. So you can just scroll through all the emails. You can search it. So any name, just like you would, a regular Gmail. So if you have Gmail, you know how to use it right away.

It has all the pictures in. Everything's just organized easy. So instead of it being the government's crappy pile of shit website that's purpose, designed like the IRS website so you can't find any useful information and you never get anywhere and then eventually you can't pay your taxes and you all go to jail. Thank you IRS website. This one actually makes sense and is user-friendly and you can get to all sorts of information right away. In fact, it's so addictive that our dear friend Brandon here was up until what? 2 a.m. last night? Tinkering. 2.30 last night looking at it. And it's like,

It's not good. Is that why Be honest. Is this why we couldn't do the podcast yesterday? Because you wanted to get back to the J-mail. I knew it. I knew something was off. Don't call me out like that.

Doing his research. Investigative research. All right. So, all right. Let's get into it. All right. What did you find?

So Joe goes, I found a lot. Let me just say I found a lot. I think the biggest rabbit hole I went down was the code words. You look up cream cheese, you look up pizza, you look at all these other things. Jerky. You know, there was an email about jerky where this guy was like, hey, how about, I'm going to walk the jerky over to you.

Walk the jerky. What does that mean? Jerky does not have legs. It doesn't have legs. That is. What's that about? What is that about? Unless maybe it's not jerky yet, but what are they walking a cow?

Yeah. What is that about? That wouldn't make any sense. No. I mean, these are adults emailing each other. They didn't have a farm on Epstein Island of farm animals, right? And if they did, they would just say, why would you use code for a cow? You would just say, and you don't really like walk a cow.

or you're like, I'm going to have the cow delivered. You know what I mean? You're not like walking a cow. It's like clearly something else. And what it implies is terrifying. It's so terrifying. We don't want to believe it. But then there's like 10 million other emails with it that you're just like, well, okay.

Like, should I just close my eyes to this and pretend it's not happening? Because if there's even a. 10% chance that it is, I think I should take this seriously and so should everyone else. How about we prove it within like a 99.99% shadow of a doubt that it's not true before we move on? That seems important. Like, you know, I feel like we are so desensitized and I feel like this is the point, you know, because it's It's like, hey, you see aliens exist. All right.

Like, it's crazy. Like, literally the government and everyone is saying aliens exist now. And everyone's like, okay, all right, whatever. You know, hey, hey, hey, guess what? All your favorite people, all your, all the influences, all the people who control the world, all the richest, the most powerful people, you know, they were eating babies. You know, there was this massive pedophile ring. And they're like, oh, really?

That's crazy. Anyway, did you see the Simpsons are now in Fortnite? Isn't that wild? Like people don't give a fuck. You know, it's like, whoa, that's, you know, I think I'm just going to look the other way. I don't think I can handle it. It's like you have to just, you know, get the clockwork orange eye things and just fucking look at these. You got to rip the bandaid off.

This is like, this is not a, this makes, this makes Watergate look like a fucking speeding ticket. Yeah. I, dude, I've asked two people that I know don't like these types of conspiracy. and love to just brush them off big time. And I said, okay, I know you think all this is bullshit and you don't like it. But you have seen, you believe the Epstein files are real, right? Like, it's coming out. They're like, yeah, yeah, they're real.

Okay. So these things have been said in the files. Okay? So it's some sort of code, right? Do you really think they were ordering this much pizza? Like, I don't even think they have pizza delivered on an island. Maybe they have a pizza oven. But I don't know if they'd be talking about pizza.

are that much. And they're like, okay, yeah, maybe that's code. I said, just for a second, could you imagine that it is some code for these things? And then I describe what I think the things were based on the codes that the FBI listed that the codes meant, like little girl, little boy, all these things. And I'm like, these aren't my words. This is FBI. Let's just put that together. Now, in this scenario that I'm having you think about, what does that mean to you, if that is a real thing. Now, just think about that. In the world that we live in,

these billionaires are doing this in these places, and they also, in these files, this isn't the only thing that they're doing, but they're like controlling politicians, and they're making big moves, and they're kind of puppet mastering a lot of big things, while also doing these heinous acts. What does that mean for you?

And honestly, their brains were like scrambling in front of me. Like, I understand why they don't lean into any type of conspiracy like that or why they just can't even contemplate it. It's so terrifying to their paradigm of like what makes existence real that they can't even process. Like, I, you know, like, I couldn't even live in a world like that. Well, maybe you fucking do. how it's like carry on

exactly man and it's something they talk about on the episode as well they talk about the idea of people who just don't believe in conspiracy theories and how just ridiculous that is you don't think anyone would lie ever you don't think anybody

would lie in a like politicians obviously have lied they obviously have to look better to cover up something to avoid certain you know public ridicule And to not think that's happening at a massive level, to not think that ever happened, it has happened in history. This is one of the biggest conspiracy theories ever that, you know, Pizza Gate is real. Maybe, you know, I don't know specifically about that exact thing that happened with that certain pizza joint in the basement, whatever that whole thing was about.

But the code words were real. That was a conspiracy. And now it's true. that's not an opinion. It's not an opinion. It isn't. I pulled an email up. We were talking about the whole cream cheese thing.

I'm going to read this email real quick. All right. From Jeffrey Epstein. The subject is cream cheese baby. All right. Here's what the email reads. There are millions of babies very little good vegetable cream cheese. Now what the fuck does that mean?

All right. L. I don't know if cream cheese and baby are on the same level. and then a bunch of stuff about meeting up. I like, what does that mean, man? I like, I don't know.

It's dark. Whatever, whatever's happening, it's dark. It's really, really dark. And it's something that we as a society need to actually look at. We have to look at this.

You don't have to make assumptions, but you have to look at this and understand that there is something very sinister going on that is above this whole pedophile ring. That is something that is really fucking insane. Yeah. And then we have Pam Bondi being like, why are we even worried about this? The Dow is over 50,000. 50,000.

Everyone's retirement funds are up. Somebody should have, it should have been one of those South Park episodes where somebody just goes over and slaps her right in the face. Yeah. Like, that was, it's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life. I cannot believe that.

Somebody told her to write that down. And as a hell Mary, like, hey, if you get cornered, you know what you do? You pull this Trump card out and that's going to really sort you out. You probably get a round of applause because everyone would be like that.

You know, the fact that she's like, well, you, you shouldn't be smiling over there because you're a really good stock trader. They're like, what? What about what about members of the administration literally being named in the Epstein files multiple times? And when she was asked about that, she goes, like, they were like, hey, did you investigate in this person you literally work with? That's like literally helping run the country. And she's like, oh, he cleared that up.

It's like, is that all the fucking justice department is now? Oh, just, hey, you might have been a pedophile. Can you just, like, clear the air real quick? I wasn't. Okay. All right, carry on. Not me. What the fuck are we doing?

Tag, not me. Dude, the worst thing about those hearings that was so brutal is when all the victims were there and that one guy was just like, could you raise your hand if you were a victim? him. And if you raise your hand, if you wanted to speak to the Justice Department, but were refused. And like, none of them had a chance to speak to them. They were all turned away. And they're saying that the door was open. They've been willing to listen to them the whole time. And it's just all bullshit. There's been no real investigation. They've stoned warred the whole thing. And we're supposed to believe that these institutions like the Justice Department and the FBI, whatever, are there to

like solve these crimes. Now, yes, they do solve some. They are out there catching like serial killers and they're solving the ones that they want to and they do it very well. They're very effective. They're an excellent department with incredible resources. But they're still ran by people that can literally turn them off and say, nope, we're not doing this one. It's a mess, man. It really is. And I really hope something happens with this because it's just obviously a cover-up. Like, for example, a lot of the criticism, a lot of people, you know, who are against the Epstein vials and don't really believe in them.

We're saying that all these victims are just plants. They're not real. Whatever they're faking. where these files came out and their names, the victims are popping up in the files. They are popping up in the files. Yep. And they didn't want to be in the files.

They wanted their names to be redacted. And they weren't redacted. But you know who was redacted? All the clients, all the people involved, huh? More effort was put in that than covering up the victims. Like what is happening? That's shocking. You know?

does you know and you don't really have to be a genius to to put two and two together you know but i just and then also the fact that where it's coming out of like so i i just i don't see the angle here of like you know trying to give benefit of the doubt here like i don't see the angle of oh well maybe this is why this hasn't happened yet dude i don't get it just seems so obvious it seems so obvious on what's happening. It just seems like Trump should know hey, I got into power

by promising to release the files. Everybody wants that. Obviously, it's going to stir up some shit because some powerful people are on there. But as long as I don't get in trouble and most of my closest friends don't, then why not just

throw everyone else under the bus? It's like, that's what the people want anyway. And I'm a bold, wild guy? Why didn't he just do that? We'd be loving him right now. And all he wants is for people to love him. I am just so surprised that like somebody, it has to be somebody above him, has a grip over him. I cannot believe that he's making this decision to be this hated because people are sick of that behavior. It doesn't make any sense. Many more files. Apparently, there are more and they're trying to pretend this was everything.

Yeah, it's a mess. I want to know your take on this and this was said in the podcast. Yeah, go. Joe was talking about how he tries not to look at the files and he goes, I don't like to look at it. It fucks with my head. Why don't you think Joe likes to look at them? Well, they're dark.

It's dark and it's gross and it's scary and it's worst case scenario. I mean, this is the worst thing. Satanic pedophiles. What's crazy than that? It's literally all the craziest shit Alex Jones ever said, other than interdimensional, you know, like whatever freaking being lizard people that run the universe. Indiremberg, furry communists, you know.

Yeah. It's like there's probably only two stages of insane conspiracy above what could be happening. And it's like, it's so dark, dude. And it is. And I think that's what he's saying. It's like Joe is so close to like the heartbeat of media and the narrative of all this. That it's probably pretty disturbing to be right there. And it's going to be all he freaking talks about for how long.

You know, every guest, every person. I mean, this is not the end. it's going to end even when the media really just closes down on this because of pressures from the government and from other people that are just like we don't need to hear about this anymore this is enough you know the free media space is still always going to be rogan so the people that still want to discuss it and still want to investigate the place they're going to do it is on his show so he's he's stuck with it I mean he kind of doesn't need to look at it He can just wait for guests to come on and open up their own can of worms with it. You can't really escape them, right? Yeah. It's coming. Because it's coming for sure.

And I wonder if people are going to come on that allegedly, well, not allegedly, but are in them. Why doesn't he have a victim on, you know, to tell their story? I mean, yeah. Do you, I'm not sure. Do you think you would ever do that? I don't know. I mean, he's had people on that were stuck in cults before. And that sucked. You know, people that got stuck in Scientology. He's had them on. You know, obviously, this is quite a lot different. But maybe there's a story there that he wants to know about. And if he's interested, he's going to have him on. I don't think he's too worried about that. I think, you know, it's the hardest part is having them come on the show. It's not the whole idea.

I don't think even if he invites them, they would even be open to it because several reasons. I think one, you know, they've talked about before they're getting so many death threats. Two, they might accidentally kill themselves. You never know. Sometimes they might be in a random car crash or something might happen to them. Yeah. Don't they call that get suicidal. On their way to Austin.

Yeah. When you get suicided. I mean, we shouldn't laugh, but it's like, yeah. But it's just we're laughing because of how just like, like, what the fuck world are we living it? You know, it's like that should never be a thing of like a victim. And it's like, well, I have to like there's so many examples of that of victims who have tried to come forward. and then just like literally disappear. And then we're asked about it.

It's like, yeah, I don't want to lose my life. I think I'm going to stick with living, you know. Yeah. And well, they've been through enough already. They've been through enough. They don't, they don't owe anyone anything other than, you know, just to be able to live on and, you know, try to survive as best they can with the, you know, the trauma that they have to deal with. They didn't ask for any of that. So why do they now have to go and do this extra thing?

that, you know, opens them to all this scrutiny. It's not fair. But kudos to those that do that are brave enough. I mean, that poor lady that again got, died in, uh, got suicided in Australia, who was like the main one that, you know, that Prince Andrew, I think was known to have been sleeping with. And that whole thing, um, it's a mess, man. It's, it's a mess. It's a mess. It's a Like this whole thing is just, I don't know what's going to happen. Like, as this unfolds, I really, I'm just, at this point, it's like just in for the ride. Yeah. It's where it's like, oh, I think this is going to happen.

This person is going to prosecuted. I have no idea. There's no real path I see forward. It seems like anything could happen. I'm just glad there's the, so many, you know, kind of online resources and YouTube channels now, like CoffeeZilla, all the rest of it that are just legit as hell constantly doing stories on this and just one Epstein video after the next with like really good solid investigative journalism which is coming at you way better than anything that you get in a newspaper on CNN or Fox News and those little

bullshit clips that they put together that are just regurgitated nonsense that are highly edited you know, and redacted and propagandized and, you know, censored. It's like none of that is coming from these YouTube channels that are like, this is what we found, this is what it looks like, this is messed up, we tried to reach this person, they had no comment, you know. And then look at Rogan too. He's just getting so jaded. After having the politicians and government people on that he did recently, you know, J.D. Vance,

He had obviously Patel Trump. And he's just like, you know what? Not again. I mean, he shit on so many politicians right in front of RFK Jr's wife. He's a politician. I mean, talking mad shit about Pelosi, which is hilarious. I mean, if there are, I mean, two politicians that Rogan goes after the most, number one, it's Gavin Newsom. he gets flatlined constantly on Rogan.

I mean, that guy, sometimes I almost feel sorry for him, and I don't like him either. I need to see that podcast. I need to see that podcast. Dude, if he ever came on. I've considered having him on, you know, I would kill to see that episode. I think Gavin would do surprisingly well, and I'll tell you why. I think he would humbly sit there and he would take a beating. and eventually Joe would just actually stop

because Joe's not a bully. I think Joe would shit on him about COVID. I think Gavin would take it on the chin and be like, yeah, we made mistakes. We did. And I own that. And I wish we had done better. And yeah, we messed up on the fires too.

And the homeless thing hasn't gone great. But I have done this and I have done this. And it is difficult and it's tough. I think he would navigate it. by taking some jabs and then they would start having a regular chat and he would do surprisingly well and it would add quite a lot to his popularity

and I think that's why Rogan won't have him on because he doesn't want to add anything to his popularity and then I'm sitting there going fuck am I going to vote for Gavin Newsom now you know and it's like you never know you like look what happened with Trump

dude look how far Look how far Gavin has got. He is, whether you like him or not, pure politician, he's a good one. And I mean, when I use the word good, I don't mean ethics. I don't mean, I mean in the terms of what is a politician, which is to get votes and to win a spot. And however they do it. I mean, he manages to do that. And he's learning quickly how to navigate.

When I saw his series of podcast that he did, where he even had Charlie Kirk on, and you listen to that, he takes a bit of a beating from Charlie and he handles it. And I'm like, oh, this is good practice. He's smart. He's learning how to take on these really good debaters and come out the other side actually looking pretty solid. And yeah, it's a good warm up for Rogan. That's kind of what the left needs. Because you look at Biden, you look at Kamala, and she can't even talk, let alone have a debate. You know what I mean?

And then you have someone coming in who's like literally going, you know, face to face with the most popular and prominent debaters in the Republican Party. Yeah. On the right. So, you know, at least no matter how you think of him, you have to look at that and be like, well, that is respectful. that he's like even putting himself in front of these people. Now, I'm not a fan of them at all, but I am curious to see where his projection goes from here. And he's good at work on the people.

What can I say? And he really, really wants to get on Rogan because he knows that if he can't get in front of that audience and at least get a shot, it could be the difference between him. his chance of running for president or not, which is what a lot of people are learning. I don't think moving forward that anybody becomes, and this is a bold statement, but I'm going to say it, I don't think anyone becomes president now, really, if they don't go on

Rogan and do a three-hour stent. I think the future is that both candidates will go on, and it's just part of it, right? Whereas before they would do the debates, they would do other things, they go on a bunch of shows, but doing Rogan is a big part of that whole thing now. I think if you skip it and you deny it, it's a big problem for your race.

I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing because nothing's edited, nothing's to the person's advantage. It's not like, hey, come to the White House, and we already have a production crew and then we'll send you with the interview. No, it's we're sitting down unscripted and we're talking for three hours.

Yeah. You can't hide who you are. Exactly. It starts that face, that mask, really starts to unravel. Dude, when he talked about Trump, he was like, Trump is like almost 80, didn't even pee, no warm up,

just sat right down, fucking handled it for three hours, was in, did it, had shit to say was on point, sharp. I mean, dude, if he didn't show up guns ablazing with an A-plus performance, I mean, I don't know what else to say. He knew what he was walking into. He nailed it, bro. Well, he was trying to get that podcast forever, Trump.

Yeah. He wanted to be on that so bad. Well, it was Dana. It was Dana that set it up. And he'd been working his magic. Trump knew how to do it. He'd been friends with Dana a long time. He's starting to show up to the UFC's shaking Rogan's hand, working his way in, not pushing too hard.

I mean, look, dude, he knows how to close a deal. You know, he didn't come on too strong. He wasn't bugging Rogan. He just positioned himself. And in the end, Dana was just like, dude, you got to have Trump on. Get him on. And Rogan was like, fuck it, let's go. And boom, Trump was there as fast as you can imagine.

I mean, he canceled things left and right. Planes were probably all planes in Texas were like all flights were stopped for him to jet right there. And keep in mind, like, what, three weeks prior, Trump was like, I hope Rogan gets booted at the UFC. Because why did he say that again? He says match shit. I don't know. Rogan said like one thing about some policy that Trump, you know, say. It's when Trump's just like going off on everyone.

Yeah. And he's like, I hope he gets fucking booed at the UFC. What a joke. And then three weeks later he's on the podcast. And he's got that big smile and the thumbnail. It's like, yeah,

they're getting on like a house on fire. Well, like, Rogan knows what it's all about. He's like, whatever. Well, he knows Trump at that point.

Trump's just so all over the place. And I feel like that kind of doesn't rule out Gavin being on the podcast. Because they've been. And back and forth, they've talked some shit. And I think, uh, I think that's very possible. All right. I think it's very possible. Yeah.

It's entirely possible. It's entirely possible. So what, what is your prediction for Gavin Newsom coming on? Throw it out there. What's a percentage? Now, I have to keep this in mind as well. Because, all right, let me give you a number. Let me just back it up real quick.

Let me just, let me just set the stage for it. All right. So you got to keep two things in mind. You know, Rogan doesn't want Gavin to be the president. He doesn't want Gavin to be elected. But at the same time, Rogan also doesn't believe that his show can get people elected. He said that in the past about Trump. He's like, I'm not sure.

I don't think. He does now. It's as powerful as people think. He does now. That's the thing, man. You know, so if Rogan doesn't want him elected, why would he give him the platform, you know? Exactly.

But I think it's a 50-50 shot. I think it's a 50-50 shot. I think maybe he might think, you know what? I'm going to give both people a platform. Let's say J.D. is running. I think if J.D. is running against Newsom, he's going to give them both a platform, and he's going to have them on like maybe like three days apart or something.

but if J.D. doesn't go on, he's not having Gavin on. He's only going to make it a fair fight. Well, he's, J.D. will go on 100%. The thing is... But I think what would be the best case scenario? Here's the best case scenario. Okay. All right.

Hit me. He has them both on at the same time. No, those, that's not going to happen. I know, but I want it to, man. I would love to see that happen. Those back and falls. So, like, he's tried those before. they just get so messy and it's I think he's it's just so much cleaner to have him on

independently and it's like here you go just just see what you see you know I think it's 25% that he has him on um I the only problem is if if Gavin is running and he's the front runner I think that there might be a responsibility that Rogan has to have him on like almost like a fairness thing because it's like, you know, you have the Republican candidate on, but you refuse to have the Democratic candidate on. It's like there is an argument to be made of fairness there, even if you don't like him. It's like, all right, you don't like him, but then just say the points that you don't like. And he, you know, he also needs to be careful too because Gavin could handle some criticisms well and it would if Joe keeps on it makes it would make him look like a bit

of a bully and that's not Joe anyway so he would back off from that stance and who knows where it goes so it's like kind of a difficult spot potentially for Rogan I don't know how he's going to handle that I'm curious to find out though yeah we're talking about all this where in reality I feel like the only guest we're really going to get here is AI 50 cent yeah i i feel like we're saying we want gavin newston but come election we're waiting for that drop and nope there he is a i 50 cent of course returns to the one thing i i will say and we'll close out the behinds episode is honestly i think with all of this and with uh um epstein list drop

all the chaos in that i think we're gearing up for another alex jones and remember seemed like after Sandy Hirk and the lawsuit and all the defamation and everything around Alex Jones, it was like he probably will never come back on because he's so controversial. There's an argument to be said that, hey, maybe there's room for him to come on now because a lot of the crazy shit that he said around this space. And remember, he was the first one to really point out Epstein Island and have a lot of lot of people paying attention to it and he did it a long time ago there's a lot to be said about his predictions and um i think he might be the person to bring on a really kind of close that out

and you know his episodes are massive i mean it would be so entertaining in to an alex jones episode every single podcast always has the alex jones comment every single one it's almost always the top comment too. Where is Alex Jones? Came and went, but Alex Jones is still here. Lives forever. Yes, lives forever. Yes. Lives forever. Well, hey, what would you rate this?

Dude, you know, honestly, I read this quite high. I give this a 7 out of 10. And I'll tell you why. Because it had elements of old school, Rogan, watching the animal stuff, just taking a random guest on watching animals kill shit in nature. stuff. It was like Joe's internal mind. Like, let's go down the rabbit hole with Joe, what Joe thinks. And she,

she had a great sense of humor about it. You know, I like the shitting on politicians. I thought that was funny. And she had a good sense of humor for that. I thought she was cool. It had like a lightheartedness to it. But then it also delved into some serious shit. It like got into the Epstein stuff. but it wasn't so heavy that I needed a pen and paper to write things down or I got depressed about, you know, the elements that they went into. It was just like, you know, it was like dipping your toe in and saying, oh, shit, that's crazy. Which they said a million times. So, yeah, I liked her.

She's cool. And I was excited to know that Bobby's coming on. He's great. Bobby. Yeah. You are, he gets to come on and talk about the fucking food pyramid being the correct way around now. dude, have you seen that South Park clip where they made it, they predicted it. Yeah.

Where they were like, it's upside down. And it's, it's, they've been a whole South Park episode about it. It's amazing. It turns out that they would correct. They actually did it. Oh, they gave it a six out of ten. I give it a six out of ten. So, you know, there are some good, good moments.

I feel like the Epstein thing could have been a little more in depth. Um, yeah, the chemistry, a lot of Joe, him kind of just talking about classic Rogan points. and I do kind of agree with that comment. It's like you're stuck in a room with your friend's wife, so you have to talk to her. And they maybe didn't have like the most amazing chemistry of all time, but it was a good conversation. There was a lot of good conversations.

For me, five out of ten is average. I say this is above average, six out of ten for me. Yeah, solid. And, you know, the bit that I really liked and then I believed is that when Cheryl said, I've never met anybody that would say, I wish I could, you know, I would prefer to just be B-list. Like, and it really does speak to Joe, and I believe it.

I don't think many human beings would actually prefer to just be that level of famous. Once fame starts building up in you, you want more of it. It may be more addictive than money to almost everyone. And I really do believe that Joe kind of doesn't give a fuck about it. it's like he truly did accidentally walk into this level of it and it speaks to why he's so good at this position and it's something really to think about it's very cool I think he's feeling that now more than ever for sure

it's very cool anyway that's it for us thank you so much for listening as always check this one out it's fun and there are a couple of good ones to come I mean Robert Malone is back on we will be reviewing that one at the end of the week And if you remember, that is all the biggest controversy that got Rogan in all the COVID stuff. That also led to the mashup videos on CNN where they made him look like a horse de-womer drinking lunatic.

And then someone mashed up the N-word video and they were really trying to take him down. It led to the Spotify pushback with Neil Young where everyone was going to take their music away. It was a stressful time for Rogan. for Malone, where they just basically tried to destroy his whole career. Also, it was around the time where my whole podcast blew up. Rogan talks about gaining two million subscribers during that time. So even though all of the media were out to get him and, you know, a lot of the government, the people were behind him and they did the same with my podcast. So I want to thank everybody out there for that support. And we are going to praise Robert Malone and that episode later in the

week and dive into it. So I'm really excited that he's back on and we're going to see what he has to say. So good times. But thank you guys as always. And we will talk to you later. Cheers. See you.