Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 506 JRE Review of Robert Malone, MD

Episode Date: February 21, 2026

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This might either be the worst podcast. One, one of the best one. Two, one. Enjoy the show. Hey, guys, and welcome to another episode of the Joe Rogan Experience Review. My co-host today is Peter. And we are reviewing Dr. Robert W. Malone M.D. Certified badass.

Oh, yeah. Dr. Malone is, well, a doctor and a scientist associated with early MRNA platform research and multiple patents related to MRNA vaccine technology. He became one of the most controversial expert voices during COVID, particularly around mandates, institutional messaging, censorship, and public trust in science. He represents the Rogan archetype of credentialed insider turned critic. This is a heavy, idea-dense episode that starts with science and quickly expands into institutional trust. Media pressure, narrative formation, and cultural psychology. The conversation isn't just about medicine, it's about how society forms consensus and what happens when dissent is punished. I'm very excited for this episode because not only was it right after Malone came on that Rogan got hit with the CNN propaganda bullshit plus the mashup video where they really tried to take Rogan down. Also, the artists on Spotify saying that remove their music.

I mean, they went after Rogan hard. But, I mean, they even came after him alone and he has all these patents. I mean, he literally couldn't be more qualified to say the things that he said. And that still wasn't even close to enough. It was so easy for them to be like, no, he's just, he's a joke. He's a quack. But he invented the vaccine, right? I know, it's ridiculous.

Anyone that took five minutes to go, wait a minute, what does he actually know? Oh, everything? I can tell you the amount of people that I spoke to that was instantly ready to dismiss him because he didn't go with the narrative. I felt like I was the crazy person for just being open enough to sit there and go, should we at least possibly listen to a little bit of what he says? The guy that invented it? I think so. The guy that invented it.

I wonder how it got co-opped and they took and they ran with it. the powers that be. Amazing. To implement it, the, what is the COVID vaccine in such a way that he did not approve of?

Is that one of the, one of the controversies? Yeah, well, he got sick from it. Right, he's like, don't use it like this.

It's not meant for this. And he also knew kind of how it worked. And, you know, he was surprised that they had solved the problems that he knew

existed, which was like massive inflammation and how you can't really like localize it. or direct it, it just kind of goes wherever and that could be a problem, especially for the heart, X, Y, Z. It lands in the heart.

And then he's like, oh, wait, they didn't solve any of these problems. They just rushed through it, and that is a scary thing that they did. But another thing that is really interesting about this episode for me is it was right after this episode, because it was, you know, shortly before this that Rogan had gone over to Spotify. He hadn't been over there long.

then Malone came on, then all this controversy, well, this was a massive influx of viewers to Rogan's show. That's when Rogan was saying, I gained two million followers. That's when our review show also blew up. So we picked up a lot of people very frustrated with the COVID narrative as well. And then my show shot straight to number six in the U.S. podcasting shots. That's incredible. Literally the sixth biggest show in the world.

Nuts. Crazy. It reviews Rogan's show. Here in this barn. Yeah. In this barn. Shout out back. How about that?

So, thanks, Malone. I owe him a Starbucks gift card. You at least 20 bucks. At least 25. Let's buy that guy. Let's get on his substack. That's what he really wants. He's a good man.

Does he have a Patreon? He's at a substack. Oh, I'll throw a couple of bucks in now. We should read his essays. I'd like to. He sounds like a great guy. He's a farmer and a carpenter. I like Jesus.

I like that he, well, he survived it all. I love the Rogan had him on. And it doesn't sound like there's any ill will. I mean, imagine what. like what Rogan went through because of it. And Rogan could have easily, if he was a lesser of a man, he could have turned that frustration that he felt back on the person that kind of brought that to his doorstep in a sense. No, no hate at all.

He's not that kind of guy, though. No. He's not that guy. He's not that guy. We wouldn't expect it. But a lesser man would. You could see a lesser man would do that. Get spiteful?

Well, just be like, I'm not going to have him on. Screw that guy. Right. It got so much flag last time. I don't want that flack again. I don't want Neil Young to come for me. Neal Young. The dangerous Neil Young Mafia.

Oh, hilarious. Yeah, hilarious. So much that did. Neon moon. Come on. But let's get into it. No, that's a different guy. So, yeah.

He comes on, and right away, Rogan's like, well, you were right. I mean, what a redemption arc of that. that is. Who to thunk it? He's still controversial to many people, though. Yep. Like, he's hard to... He's shadow banned on Twitter.

He couldn't get a job at a university now, I'm sure, probably, in most universities. I bet it would be difficult. I bet his speaking engagements are mostly shot down, like in some areas, possibly. But I think history will look on him differently. I think in time that he will be seen as someone that really saw through it. They had it right.

Yeah. But that's a heavy price to pay. I think that's why during an event like COVID, most people sheeple their way through it. Yeah, that's the easiest way. Sam Harris. Sorry.

Fauci. Fauci. So I had something in that. Well, no, he didn't sheeple. He shepherded. He shepherded. He shepherded. He shepherded everyone through.

He shoved us through. I'm still dealing with some repercussions from that era where I was pretty much forced to get the vaccine, you know? Really? I felt the Moderna one, I guess that one has some of the most long-term consequences. Is this why you act like that? I'm not all there anymore. Oh, gee. I used to be a contender, you know what I mean?

Stop licking the mic. Get back. Can you hear that? Is it coming through? Stop it. Stop it. Yeah, I mean. You know, that's another thing.

Time will tell for a lot of people. I mean, especially with that myocarditis stuff or whatever else. I mean, it's, and they don't like kind of releasing that data either. They don't like doing it because I think it doesn't look favorable. They just sealed that again for 15 more years. And where was it? I think it was in the United States, they just sealed the vaccine injury data for 15 more years.

I don't think it's going to matter, though, because not every country is going to do that. I don't think the NHS is doing that. It's one-world government, bro. No, I think the NHS will, that's like a national health system. I believe when I see it. I think that you can get a whole of that type of data. And all we have to do is get it from one country.

And then we're like, that's what it does. Look, it's right there. run it through chat GPT, and it's like, yeah, that's bad. It sucks. I wonder if there's like maybe Norway. What was the one that took a non-conformist approach? Oh, was it Sweden or Switzerland? One of this was... Norway. No? I think it's an S-1. They worked on the herd immunity? Yeah, and it worked well. Finland, maybe? I don't know. We don't know. It's a S-1.

It's an S-1. We've obviously done our research. But I believe it was an S-1. And they did find. fine and no one else copied them except probably Florida but that was mostly arrogance God bless Florida hard-headedness yeah they went we're going for it they were right until they're wrong yeah and then they well if it wasn't gonna work Florida is like 90% retired people everyone would have died true yeah so there yeah I think they had some mandates down there too great for a while desantis had the he's he follows in line he falls in line yeah Yeah. But anyway, I think people are seeing it for what it is now. It's only a matter of time before like the good movies and documentaries really start flooding. They're not doing them now because I think people are still kind of, there's a lot of emotion around this. They're not ready for it. They don't want to see it. So it's going to be a few more years. I think the, this podcast is brought to you by hymns.

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Now you can see, like this wasn't like this and this was a lie. And there you go. It wasn't just a question if they did their best. like they saw what it was they knew how it was going and they still carried on this way right and we were lied to and in terrible policies and arbitrary as well not science-based distancing policy wise masks six feet none of that stuff made sense hopefully they tie it right to Gavin Newsom as soon as he's running for president and it just shuts his whole campaign down we'll have a can only hope.

Because he was full on. While he was eating at the French laundry. Doing his laundry. Dude, it is... Washing his berets. Greasing his hair with something. Oh. The blood of...

Don't get me started. Well, you know, I think the... The Big E-Files mention the Plandemics and how to deal with pandemics. And how to get people to... be more tractable. And Bill Gates

has a lot to pay for too. Yeah. He's part of this. He seems like a big planner. He's a planner. He basically owns the W.H.O. I found out. Is he?

Yeah. Really? Uh-huh. He's an archetypal mega evil doer. That guy. He's a bond villain.

Basically with like a pot belly. Yeah. Really lame pot. It's like Bezos looks like the bond villain. not even on the list, not in one email. He's got his own yacht. He can party with whoever he wants to.

He's doing his own stuff. Of age women. Of age. Yep. And we don't care if they're hired or not. Just sending out packages. Books. Everywhere.

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We're going off the rails here. Well, I do have to say with him, I am impressed that Bezos skimmed right past this. He's starting to look real good. That shiny bold head is starting to shine real bright. All from just selling used books. Yeah. And then he just got, do you think, what do you think about the whole theory about these rich, famous people getting replaced by clones? It's fun.

Isn't it? It's real fun. Because at some point Bezos just, was like this dweeb. Now he's just like yoked. Oh, he just got ruined it up. But it is wild to look at the before and afters because he looks so much better. He does. If you put them next to each other and you were like, this is Bezos's like big brother that you don't know about. It's like, yeah, it looks like a different person. He's using his money correctly. I mean, he's just, he's just massive. It's just got jacked. He was.

so nerdy. He looked nerder than Zuckerberg. And then now he... And that's hard to do. Yeah, now he just looks like beef-caked. He looks like a Santa Monica staple. He's got to be the most in-shaped billionaire. Is there a more in-shaped billionaire?

Think. I don't know. Some Chinese ones, maybe. Ah. Why? I don't know. Kung Fu? Oh, dude. Come on now. Kimchi? Oh, that's Korean. Dang it. Well, all right, let's talk about that mass formation psychosis thing, because he brought that up when he came on before. And this is a bit of his theory, but I like it. Yeah.

Okay. So defined as populations becoming fixated on a single narrative, intolerant of dissent and psychologically unified around fear or crisis. We are just the society of that. everything. It's like, what's the new thing? I'm here to protest for it. What do we don't want? I'm here to protest against it.

Yeah. What do I suddenly believe strongly in? Give me a sign. What's my whole personality for the next two years? What do I put on my Instagram? Black circle. Yep. Squads, blue ones.

Triangles. Yep. Rainbows. Whatever it takes. I quickly deleted that one, okay? You had it on for some time. You created. I fell for it.

You were a big fan. That's why you like the new Star Trek. The gay one? The, what is it? The, like the Starfleet Academy. Yeah, yeah, that one. Oh, don't give me a story. I think they got canceled after like three episodes.

No, they're doing two seasons. Is that true? Check out Nerd Rodic. He goes into that. People don't like it. I was a Trek. I'm a Trek fan. I'm a big Trekkie.

I'm more Trekkie than I am Star Wars. Well, we're going to circle back on this one because that popped up. in another Rogan episode this week. Okay. They got pretty mad about it. They guessed it. Let's chat about that next time. But yeah, back to the mass formation.

I mean, you know, it seems true. And it, you know, these leaders can capitalize on that. And they really did use fear because that was the big thing. Yes. That was the anger. People that would get mad at me when I would bring up questions, just questions, like, hey, but don't you think and they're like, but safety? lives.

You're arrogant. Oh. You're killing my grandma. I've, I talked to people during that time that literally would like started crying in front of me. And I wasn't doing anything that justified making them cry. Like they literally were hysterical people. But then they're completely normal human beings. They had no psychological problems.

It wasn't like they were just overreacting in this particular thing. because of the weight of this message that they had been fed and they believed it. They really did think that what I was saying, even by questioning it, was that people would die and that I must be a horrible person. And they knew me, which is bizarre. The fear of losing businesses, business owners were afraid. I experienced that quite heavily in Arizona where I was working

the business owner was terrified that their business will be shut down for a report because you could tell on people oh yeah tell on businesses so we of course we had the masks and all that stuff and we had funny seating arrangements and smearing everything with bleach water

and yep It's just a break from reality. This was a doctor owned this restaurant. I worked out with this bar. And she was totally on board with all the messaging. And she's, in fact, had an adverse reaction. She was injured by the vaccine long term. Her heart is no longer the same.

Oh, no. Yeah. And I wish her all the best. But it's... Oh. It was a break from her reality. Like, she lost all. Yeah.

Credulousness, you know. It's like you do everything they said and it still turns out horrendous. Yet if she had maybe not taken the vaccine and just ran her business completely normal, good chance based on the data we have today would have been completely fine. Except for she may have been shut down a little bit, but that's okay. Oh, well, because, but let's say that none of those rules happened, but COVID still existed. like probably would have just been fine. Yeah, I guess... Maybe he would have got COVID and just got over it.

Didn't he say that it's not a vaccine at all? Yeah, he was kind of implying that, right? It's because it is different. It's because it doesn't keep you from getting it and it doesn't keep you from spreading it. Which is the point of vaccines. That's what a vaccine is. Uh-huh.

Yeah. It just like reduces the... Body's response, potentially? It reduces how long you have. have it for and therefore the transition time. Okay. It's a narrower window potentially. Right.

So it makes it a bit better. It makes it a bit better, Pete. If it's a bit better. It's a bit better. I was sick for like four days. Imagine if they tried to set it to us like that. Get the vaccine. It makes you a bit better.

We think. It's a tough sell. It might help you. It might be a bit better. Because even the super elderly were, I mean, their doctors say, hey, don't get this. Because you have all these other comorbidities. This vaccine can push you over the edge. So, like, there's a narrow window where it's even useful.

Kids don't need it. Sure. Little kids, for sure. Yeah, they didn't need it. Yeah. It was super rare for them to get. In fact, it did really strange things in high performance individuals that, like, attack their heart specifically because they're have very strong.

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It's like the immune system. And it turned on the body and we had athletes just dropped debt. Yeah, that's wild. Like maybe like, I don't know. And they're still not really kind of tying those two things together. They're loosely. So they're being like, well, that just kind of, but it's like,

to some people, to plenty of, like, cardiologists that are willing to speak out, they're like, this is a clear indication. This was not happening before like this, not even close. There was something like of those types of deaths, there was like over the last 40 years before that, there was a tiny number. And now only after like five years after the vaccine, it's like, five times as many as all the years before that. I'm bullshit in these numbers.

I don't know, but it's like, it's absurd the differences. It's enough to clearly say something massive change between like 2020, 2021. And since it is heart related and we know the vaccines kind of mess with that, to those people that are experts in that particular field that seems pretty fucking clear. I also have heard some anecdotes about doctors not even treating vaccine injury as vaccine injury. Like, you know, there's been some, a couple of a friend of yours in mine had a mini stroke after they had the vaccine. Younger than you, older than me. Not in the range of strokes, but had one.

And the doctors don't, they'll treat the symptoms, but they're not going to say, where this come from? They don't want to push that. Oh, yeah. They're not curious about that. didn't even think it was for that. He wanted to be like, no, I was just a random one. I'm like, you just had a random stroke,

did you, bud? Obviously, I didn't say that to him. I was more concerned about how he felt, but I was just kind of, like, and what else could it be? He lives a pretty healthy life. That guy's chiller than a

polar bear's toenail. He's not. Yeah. I think I, you know, he hasn't said but I think he knows and he doesn't want to say because he was very sold on that whole narrative too but I'm sure he has his suspicions I mean it's an unusual one it still's pretty big cloud pretty polarizing currently polarizing polarizing polarizing I'll tell you well he said what did it take about four years in D.C. Before you could start talking serious seriously about the lab leak thing again.

Oh, yeah. Oh, that same person we were just talking about sent me a peer-reviewed paper one time on why it came from the wet market and not the lab. And it was a peer-reviewed paper reviewed by lots of quote-unquote peers. And there were all these little dots from this map in the market. And the lab was across the river. And there was only two dots on the lab side of the river. and I'm like, oh, look at those two dots.

It obviously didn't come from that lab that makes COVID vaccines then or messes with like COVID diseases then. Yeah. And he's like, yep, I mean, that's what it's saying and that's peer reviewed. I'm like, bro, I think it's about time we just stop listening to this type of information. I know we have up until now and I have trusted it as well. So we have. But let's kind of start using our actual brains for a second and maybe consider that we're being fed some bullshit.

Yeah. He did not see that. The peer-reviewed thing is like, what we have. Well, we've learned a lot about what peer-reviewed means since then, which has really been enlightening. Often peers are in on it. Exactly. Peers are. Peer pressure.

Peer pressure, that's not positive. Mm-hmm. They're peer-pressured. Yeah. Sneaking. To tow the line. Yeah. It's not really like independent evaluators, you know, that are just completely subjective and are just looking at it from separate lenses that are unbiased and adjust analyzing data.

They're like, we're on board, we've checked it. It's good. yeah there's also a thing that happens in studies where if there's an aberrant data that falls outside of a a predicted range they will throw that out

like so if it's higher than the number they assume then they're like that can't be a correct data point so toss that out oh that well it's not from the lab so those two dots over there on the lab we're going to toss those out and we'll just focus on what we like kind of shooting the arrow and of the target afterwards. Sure. Yeah.

I love that saying. That's good. A lot of cherry picking going on. Pumpkin patch picking. That's it. Yep. Bat picking. That's how you get COVID.

That's it. Or AIDS. Better get you there. Get you closer. But now it's, you know, it seems pretty obvious. That's why I love that time John Stewart went on the Colbert. And Colbert was like straight up trying to. derail John Stewart's little monologue that was not only hilarious but super informative where he was

like on a rant about maybe it came from the lab that makes the thing yeah and Kobe's like I don't and he kept trying to interrupt and it was just beautiful stuff and it was really like one of the first times and just heavy and like you know John Stewart is like well respected on the side of the narrative listeners that weren't into the idea of the Lab League. So it was an important message from him.

And it was one of those moments where it's like, yeah, guys, duh. Hello. I think we have to, it's important to remember that lab was in China, but funded by Fauci. Yeah. The research was his

research. I mean, come on how obvious is this could we not just like you know that's like one of those conspiracy boards where you have the pictures

and then the red lines the string between them one of these it's just like one string it's just one string they're like look at that one string straight to Fauci it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to put that together yet somehow

they tricked almost everybody Like most of everybody into being like, no, I don't believe that one string. It's too straight. I'm going to believe a bunch of nonsense in between. Like it came, it randomly mutated from a market that just happened to be down the road. I mean, think about it. If that was a murder investigation, there's like a massive criminal penitentiary of like the worst murderers ever.

And then they're like, no, the murder happened in that cave. Well, yeah, they did use the same axe, but it could have got that axe from anywhere. It's a different axe. I mean. There's a new book by it, or not that new, but it's Rand Paul has a book about this, exposing Fauci's connection and the way we as a nation and a world dealt with this. I think that's, it would probably be a interesting read. Yeah, I do want to read it. I'm into it for sure, you know.

What else does it got Malone had to say on the subject? Well, what doesn't he have to say? I mean, let's talk about censorship, for one. I mean, just the overall online censorship that happened. Thank God Elon bought Twitter. I think that that was, I mean, this whole thing really cost Elon $40 billion, if you think about it. Because it really highlighted how the social media companies could be massively manipulated by government pressures and propaganda. And they all were just, you know, fell in line.

And they were doxing people. Everyone was getting kicked off of Twitter for just actual reporting. Right. And Elon just went, no. I don't think that this is going to work. I think that we have to change this at all costs. I mean, he must have known that it was immediately going to be a massive loss, which, by the way, he has now somehow turned it into a massive profit,

and now he's worth $850 billion. Jeez, he's doing okay. Good work. Malone says he's still censored on Twitter or shadow band. Malone is? Mm-hmm. Hmm. Yeah, I don't know.

I mean... There's no perfect systems here. No. Yeah, I don't really know. Maybe that has something to do with... Medical advice in general? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, there's got to be some rules somewhere.

So, and now, you know, X is, like, kind of tied in with the government and that AI working with the military and those sorts of things. maybe that puts some restraints on them. I have noticed that GROC is like not answering more and more questions recently. They're getting a little more. It's starting to be censored and take a step back from the more controversial things. It was the Wild West about a year ago. Yeah.

And it's starting to get a little bit more corpority. I don't really know why. I'm sure there's probably some talk online. I haven't looked into it. But it's almost like, you know, when I find my. switching over to chat GPT just to get an answer that Grok won't give me. I'm like, wait a minute, isn't it supposed to be the other way around? Why am I going over here for this? Maybe we'll have to go to... It's like, I can't answer that because it's like, I can't give

medical advice for this. And I'm like, I'm just asking about barely anything. Relax. I can't wait for the data to be unfrozen. What data? Just the data and the data in general, like the vaccine injury data. Oh, yeah. And hopefully the NHS pulls through and doesn't self-censor. Because like you said, they do a good job. Yeah. Oh, yeah, they will have it all. And they make it pretty public.

And it's all national databases. So in the U.S., it's all segmented. Private. Yeah. It's like way easy to hide it all. It's harder to collect it all nationally. but you know under the guise of privacy right so it's just like data's important to collect like that that's how you figure out trends yeah so yeah it doesn't really it doesn't really work well in that

way um yeah i don't know but i really think overall it's ultimately a massive testament to one Rogan's show, Rogan's audience, you know, the loyalty of Rogan's audience, and just the power of the people, dare I say, because even though this message and this narrative was as strong as it was, there seemed to be a place people could go for an alternative message and it quickly became Joe. because before this, Joe Show obviously was very, very big, but the reason it is as big as it is, I think that,

you know, and it probably would have been very big, you know, anyway, but the ultimate power, I think that it has got to the fact that it's like almost deciding, basically deciding presidents now,

you know, in a lot of ways. Like all politicians have to go on there. now. Yeah. It's because of this controversy, that conversation with Malone, and then moving forward all of the loyalty that it bought Rogan. I think he just built massive trust in him for right or for wrong. It's like he he wasn't perfect with this. Right. But out of all the news and all the CNN and all the other bits of bullshit that we got, there was one element where people were like, yeah, but you know what? At least he was honest with us. At least he brought us guests that he was

doing his best. He wasn't purposely feeding us bullshit. I mean. And it seems like he's brought both sides of the thing too. He's got he had some, didn't he have some pro vacciners on? Oh yeah. Yeah, he's got he's had all the sorts. Well, he brought that CNN doctor on. It just ruined him That guy I don't know what he thought he was walking into And honestly Joe was quite respectful It wasn't like a gotcha

interview But he was like what did you think What did CNN think they were doing By changing the way I look And then changing what I said And like I mean the guy had nothing To push back on

He was just like well they shouldn't have done that You're right no that's true They shouldn't have done that And they didn't mention all the other things things he was doing. Yeah. Like the monoclonal antibodies. Uh-huh.

Like the 12 other things that he took. Getting great exercise all the time, sunlight. They're like, he's taking worm juice. It's just like complete. Just focus on the one thing that sounds the most ridiculous. Geez, I would love to have a little bit of worm medicine. It takes them right now. Yeah.

Supposedly that's like quite good actually for a bunch of different things. Antiviral. Uh-huh. And you know what? I probably got worms, so. I'm pretty sure, like, more humans have ever taken it than horses anyway. Yeah. I'd have to Google it, but I think that actually is true.

So it's kind of disingenuous, calling it, like, horse medicine. The guy that made it won the Nobel Prize in medicine. Yeah, it's not like a crappy medicine. Over a billion people served. Better than McDonald's, because it saves your life. And it costs, the problem is it costs since on a dose. Yeah, they weren't going to make hundreds of billions of dollars. And they, and what's that thing?

The FDA has to, if there's another medicine that will do it, then that medicine, the new medicines won't be approved. Well, they, they can't pull the emergency, you know, medical, whatever act. And they can't make it like this emergency deal. because, you know, and basically shut down everyone's rights and then pump this into the system and therefore mandate everyone to take it, they would have options and then give people a cheaper medicine. And they didn't want to do that.

So they were like, take this. It's the best. And it's the only thing you're allowed. And everything else is bad. And we banned it. And Joe eats worm juice. Callie, I have one. Now I was on some worm juice.

Horse medicine, please. I'm going to get some. Hydrochloroquine? I'm going to have it in my first aid kit. There he goes busting out the worm sauce again. Yeah. It's a broken leg. I just put it on everything.

I'm like, ah, blister. I don't think that's going to work. No, it's probably not going to. Probably not going to. But yeah, there was a lot of psychology going on at that time. You know, and a lot of manipulation. of hearts and minds and good people were pulled in all different directions. And, you know, I hate to say it, families pulled apart.

You know, elderly people just kind of dying alone in homes. That's tragic. Yeah, my wife's grandmother. She couldn't, my wife didn't get to see, be close to my, her grandmother. She just, like, had to die in a different room. They're, like, looking at her through glass. Oh. And it's like, that's how it was.

I'm pretty sure that was. I wasn't around then. But, yeah. And that happened for a lot of people. Yeah, they did. I think my grandpa passed like that. That's sad. That's really sad.

Yeah, it was a bad hard time for us. You know? A lot of guilt, you know, you're like, wow, man. It's all we knew at that point. Yeah. But you do feel a little guilty. And there were all the TikTok nurse dancing going on. Why don't they just stick to cheating on their husbands

and stay out of fucking... Oh, you'd be spreading these rumors about nurses. Just doing their best. My mother was a nurse. They're wonderful people. They're working hard. Lame joke. But also, you know, the other big thing is like a lot of other very important screenings

weren't done in hospitals because it was like only, you know, the most important thing. It was mostly just treating COVID stuff. So people weren't getting in for their surgeries, you know, or their checkups in the same way. So there were a lot of other things going on that were a big problem. And all of that stuff could have been happening. And, you know, it's, what does this set us up for?

That's the problem, right? This is why these conversations are so important. Having him back on. It's like, what have we learned? What's the conclusion? What happens when all of this goes on again? when there's pandemic number two and it's about the same

or slightly worse are we going to be sensible or are we going to be the same as we were before is it going to be another power grab with berserk behavior another largest transfer of wealth upwards in human history

oh dude all the billionaires went from like mostly teen level billions I think like 17 18-18-ish billions, maybe a 20, to into the hundreds. Right. And now multiple hundreds.

Now, mom paused. This is in like six years. And yeah, something, I think it was like, something like 70% of small business owners in California, like went out of business. It was a huge number. Yeah. Huge number went out of. It was two thirds of the business of the, of the restaurants. where I was living went out of business.

It's heartbreaking. Yeah. More than half. Unreal. Yeah, at the same time, they were handing out those loans left and right. Something like $30, I think $30 billion of those loans in fraud went missing in California, and there's been basically no investigation into that because they almost can't even track it. There's so much money going out and not enough clerks to take a look at it.

Right. and now they're like let's just move on we're like just move on huh but like 30 billion maybe we should take a look at this huh hire a couple of guys

get some get Nick Shirley on it have a look I don't know I don't think I kind of ever get over the shock of this in my lifetime it's still pretty impacting what about the kids like the high school kids like all the kids that miss school all that time,

you know, the younger kids that were developing that, you know, should have had all that social time. They were just at home, you know, isolated, shut away. It's stuck watching TV or doing like Zoom classes. I think that damage is irrevocable.

The damage is staying. Stick it around. There's some damage in that. Yeah, the kids these days, they don't, they're not outside doing kids. things there. Seems like it's rippled. That's it. Down the line. The damage is so bad that certain words

can't even say it. I used to know those words too. Vaccines. Before COVID? Four vaccines got me. Before vaccines. I used to play the violin. Yeah. I mean, and that's the thing. It's like generations will kind of

go by and then we'll see like that after shock. And because it's so spread out like that, it's like it's hard to pin it. to this thing and people will be willing to not do that too they don't want to look at it yeah they want to just be like all right that happened forget about it let's move on nothing to see here instead of be like yeah we we we we fucked that up sorry and i shouldn't have jumped on board whoops like there's none of that i don't think i'll jump on board with any of those mandates ever again

to it it does make me think what the pushback would be like i mean one thing that they really hit on and Malone said it, and I saw it in England, it's like, thank God we lived in America. Oh, yeah. And it's so true. I mean, my girlfriend at the time, when I lived in Santa Monica, was in Paris. And she had to apply for a pass per day

that was for a few hours, a slot in the day for a few hours, where she could go to the store and get essentials, you know, like food. It wasn't like she could just go wandering around. So she had to go to the destination. There were like certain destinations she could go to. But it was only in these certain slots.

Basically the rest of the time, she was just in this tiny French apartment in Paris. So she'd have to go like buy her bait-long bread and... Jesus. Eat that on her own? Of course. Oh my goodness. Yeah.

You didn't get... Like, at least we could like walk around. In England, same thing. There were times, you didn't have to like apply for a pass, but if you were out at times, it was like you had to be going either like to work or be an essential worker or be going to, you know, the grocery store. And, you know, everything else was closed. Pubs closed.

Like, they were very, very strict. It was much different. And at least we had a lot more freedoms here. And in the U.S., certain places had even more freedoms. I mean, California got pretty locked down for quite a while. But, you know, I ended up moving up to Bozeman. And it was a lot more open up here. Thank goodness.

Yeah. And... Not more spaces here as well, so it's naturally more free. Sure. Sure. And it wasn't getting hit here with, like, you know, pandemic level stuff. It just doesn't have the density. Yeah.

So... To tear through a population. Exactly. And, yeah. It just wasn't... and having the same kind of waves of things. The best part about COVID for me was I could take alcohol drinks to go. Oh yeah, there was a lot of that.

So I would just get pictures of margaritas in a big gulp cup and just tool around. Oh, you classy bitch. Living the best pandemic dream, hot springing. With your pandemic money? How much were they giving you in Arizona? Well, I was laid off, so I got unemployment, and I think it was like 700 bucks a week, quite a bit. Okay, yeah.

That's not too bad. In Cali, it was over 1,000. Yeah. Because the cost of living is slightly higher. Yes. I mean, for most people I knew in Cali, it was the most consistent money that anyone had been making kind of ever. Because a lot of people I knew worked in bars and restaurants,

So it's kind of their money's up and down, you know, depending on tips and all the rest of it. Now they had like an actual like exactly this much. So people were like for the first time ever. They're coming up. Well, they were they were budgeting really well because they knew exactly how much was coming in. So they'd be like, oh, I just spend this much. People were paying off like student loans with it and debt and they had some savings. I got a couple of gold teeth.

Oh yeah. Some people were like enjoying it. It was almost like they were paying a lot of people off for complying with that behavior. That's probably what it was, isn't it? Really? It was, how do we control this population? We can control you by paying you off. Just telling you to stay home and here's $1,000 a week.

Mm-hmm. But there were plenty of people that weren't getting that money. Yeah, that's true. You couldn't get that. No. And then they're, you know, and then you're forced not to work. You can't work anywhere. You can't get that money.

Yeah. Good luck. And then I guess they also... So imagine how I was thinking about California and Gavin Newsom and everything. It's like I had a beautiful apartment then. I had a life. I had things happening. Right. And they were like, no, you can't do any stand-up comedy. Also, we aren't going to give you any money.

And you can't get through to the unemployment place that gives you the money. Literally, I would call 15 times a day every day for like four months. No line would get through. They were completely full. Just slam with... Slammed. It never went through to a human being. I never got through to them.

I'd write them letters, letter after letter, just explaining like, hello. I also got laid off like everyone else. Yeah. Can I at least get something so I can live? And you couldn't even relax, walk two blocks to the beach. You couldn't go on the beach. You couldn't even go to the beach. No.

They filled in the skate park with sand. God. They were like, you can't skateboard outside. You dangerous person. Think of the old people. Think of grandma. Yeah. Oh, grandma on the skate park of the beach in Venice?

Of course. How dare I? Tons of grannies out there. So selfish of me to even think about it. Yeah. I mean, I won't forget it. I'm not going to. And when Gavin Newsom runs, I'll be campaigning.

And let me say, not for him. Whomever else? Whomever. Maybe I'll run. Why not? Let's do it. Well, you were born in another country. Shoot.

Well, so was Obama. Oh, me? Pete. Conspiracies. Is that okay to say these days? We can't say. Thought he's born in Kenya. Edda-da-da-da-da-da.

Let's jump over to the online reaction. for this episode. Look, the supporters of this whistleblower framing validation of institutional distrust. Critics, though, misinformation platform

all over again. There were a lot more supporters, really. And overall, you know, there was like a neutral listener end. And I think that really what that is, is that's the old misinformation.

information shouters that have kind of come over to the middle. They want to believe, but they're not, they're not ready. So they still think it is misinformation? They're still holding on, but they're more neutral now. They've got one ear open. They're like, yeah, you know what? I think it was BS. So they're coming that way. Overall, episode rating ran through our AI system high, 8.5 out of 10. And I'll give it that. But I have a bit of a bias. Because a lot happened. A lot happened with this guy, this episode in the past, and my experience through the whole thing. I mean, all of this was the reason Joe and I left L.A. I mean, it was all of this together.

Oh, yeah. You know? It's just a, what a time to be alive. Yeah. I mean, look, the big takeaway, Malone's episode is. It really isn't about MRNA. It's about trust. Rogan keeps circling with the same question.

What happens when institutions lose credibility faster than they communicate uncertainty? Malone represents the insider critique archetype. And Rogan knows that archetype is compelling. Whether listeners agree or disagree, that framing is why this episode has such reach. And that is true. That is why I recommend this for anybody that loves Rogan. It's very important. Check it out.

It's fantastic. Maybe even the original one back in 2019? I may go back and listen to it, 2020, I think. I think I'm going to go back and revisit it. Maybe we'll do another review on that one soon. A classic Rogan. A throwback. We'll go back.

Anyway, thank you all for listening. We appreciate you so much. and we will talk to you next time. Later.