Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 512 JRE Review of Aaron Siri

Episode Date: March 10, 2026

In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience Review, we break down Joe Rogan's conversation with attorney Aaron Siri, who discusses vaccine law, liability protections, and the structure of the U.S. vaccine injury compensation system. The episode explores the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986, vaccine testing standards, the expansion of the childhood vaccine schedule, historical measles death statistics, and the role of legal challenges and FOIA requests in uncovering government records. We unpack the key claims, controversies, and broader questions raised in the discussion about public health policy, transparency, and institutional trust. Thanks to this weeks sponsors: Go to RocketMoney.com/JRER to help monitor your spending, find and cancel unwanted subscriptions. Go to HIMS dot com slash JRER for your personalized ED treatment options! For more Rogan exclusives support us on Patreon patreon.com/JREReview www.JREreview.com For all marketing questions and inquiries: [e-mail] Please email us here with any suggestions, comments and questions for future shows.. [e-mail]

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Now with your host, Adam Thorn. This might either be the worst podcast or the best one a whole time. One, go. Enjoy the show. Hey guys, and welcome to another episode of the Joe Rogan Experience Review. Today, Pete and I will be reviewing episode 2462, Aaron Siri. What a banger. Aaron is an attorney focused on vaccine-related injury claims, constitutional law, and civil litigation.

Rogan frames him less as a scientist and more as a lawyer who has spent years forcing agencies and companies to show their paperwork, studies, and legal reasoning. This was a pretty intense episode, I would say. Especially, I mean, it's probably bringing up a lot of emotions for people that have, you know, strong feelings about what went on during the, times of COVID, regardless of what side they were on. I bet some people felt pretty defensive during this conversation. Maybe a little bit of denial was creeping in for them or just some frustration or anger. A little bit vindication maybe. Yeah. And on the other side, vindication. And maybe the same frustration and anger. Pissed off. But relief maybe as well. Just the fact that finally there's a voice saying, yeah, this is how it is.

Sort of bringing receipts, isn't he? I think so. He's got all the data about if they actually do the blind placebo tests, and he has all the knowledge about the pass way that they were implemented. Sure. Yeah. I mean, look, he starts by talking about childhood vaccines and, like, the kind of unique.

legal category that they were in. So this started with the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986, created a special liability shield for manufacturers. Well, already, I don't like the sound of that. I love how they always name it the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act. It makes it just seem like it's for the children's injuries. Exactly. It's like to help them when really it should be called the national protect the companies from when they kill children as they give them vaccines act it's surprising how they'd never name it the thing that it's always the opposite of the thing that it is actually doing and then people just read that one little line then that's it then they run with it uh-huh that's their that's their identity in that regard yeah

if only we could hear things in reverse like no matter what they say the new actors we it should should immediately the name should be flipped to mean the opposite, so everyone understands exactly what that act means. That would be more honest. Oh, you're going to injure children with this act. I see. What was he saying about the, it's the only thing that's like that. Vaccines are the only thing that you can't come after legally. Yes. Every other industry has safety mechanisms and also we can go at them civilly.

with lawsuits, but we cannot do that with vaccine manufacturers. Yeah. Lawsuits for design defects were largely removed from normal civil courts, which is wild. So manufacturers can still be sued for manufacturing errors, but not for the product design itself, which is a massive part of it. So the outcome they're not responsible for, but they are responsible for some part of it? I don't get that.

Yeah. It just removes like a huge amount of the liability that they have and really just takes it away from people being able to sue them. So, you know, the government can still hold them accountable. Other parts of the manufacturing error process can. You know, so there is some accountability for them. It's just us as individuals that are. having to take the shots, like we don't have any say.

We can't step in and get frustrated, right? So it's like it removes the normal market pressure that forces products to continually improve for safety. So that continued safety improvement just was weakened because there's no incentive in that direction. Right. It's like, okay, so now we just have to stiffen up the potential manufacturing error process, but everything else we can just chill out on because they can't sue us for that.

And those are the kind of protections that drive companies to make things safer. He was talking about how car companies... Yeah, they don't do it altruistically. No. They do it because they have to. They're forced to. They have to. I mean, they might occasionally add in a bit of something if it's very cheap, you know,

or if it's convenient. Right. To be like, oh, this is useful and safe. Oh, now it works better or something. Yeah. Something is more efficient. Creezes profitability. Or maybe they see, they foreshadow that it's going to be expensive down the road or just look bad for image.

But ultimately, no, if it came at a huge cost and they knew they could get away with it, they're like, well, we're going to make billions of dollars. So, yeah, he break a few eggs. He talked about the Ford Pinto in that regard. The Pinto that exploded when she rear-ended it. and how they knew this this fault existed, but they weighed their options. Is it going to be more expensive for us to fix, recall these cars and fix this?

Or is it going to, or pay out people when they sue us because their family members have died? Right. They weighed it and they said, we'll just wait to the lawsuits happen. We can pay that. It's cheaper. What's dark about that and this part is never really talked about is like knowing they knew this, but then finding out later that they, in that case, stopped driving,

like all the execs are like, we no longer drive that car as well. And in the same way with vaccines, they knew all this, and they're like, well, we're not vaccinating our kids. Ourselves even. Or ourselves. Though we're going to force the regulations and, you know, get lobbyists to pay, you know, politicians or, you know, politicians or, whatever and force it on everyone else, but still stand back and be like, yeah, but we know enough about it to be like, we probably shouldn't take it. The thing is, it's hard to get a whole of that information because they can all just say,

yeah, we took it. Of course. We believed in it. With medical privacy. Yeah. We have this like little thing signed by a doctor that said I got it. I bet if we tested a bunch of those guys. you know, if you could like do a test to see if they actually got it.

I bet a lot of them didn't. Yeah, probably not. The people that really knew, I bet they didn't. Did Bill Gates get it? Do you think billionaires? He seems like he would have, though. Probably. Yeah.

But he seems like enough of a dork to where he would have just done it. He were trusting people with our medical health that believe that the earth is overpopulated. That's why I saw, I saw this thing. Bill Gates said that. Oh, yeah, he thinks it is. It's overpopulated, but yet do this thing, and I eat my fake meat, which is hitting stores now. Oh, yeah.

Without any labels. Fake meats. Eat some real meat. That impossible meat stock crashed hard. Those are terrible burgers. He invested a lot of money in that. I've never tried him. It looks and sounds disgusting.

They probably had vaccines in him. Who knows? It just like a needle sticking out the size. They're not even trying to hide this. They're not even trying. So, yeah, vaccine injury compensation system. So that's called the VICP, and it was created alongside the liability protections. So it operates as a separate federal court system, often called vaccine court.

Sounds terrifying. Right. Claimants do not go through normal jury trials or discovery process. The program has paid roughly billions in compensation over time, and pain and suffering awards are capped at quarter of a million, including death compensation. Wow. So yeah, there is a kind of way to get some compensation, but it seems pretty difficult. You know, again, you know, it's not normal jury trials, and what does that mean there's no

discovery process or not normal discovery so that's that is the most important part right that would be where you don't get to show any proof that anything was happening discovery when discovery happens in in other cases everything that they can find is disclosed but what both sides so if you don't have discovery you nothing will come to light right so you just basically go in the courtroom you say what happened and someone goes, all right, I get it. You get a hundred and ten grand. Now get out of here.

And they don't show you the receipts. Don't talk about it again. Indie aid. Sign this form. Stop complaining. That's why this guy's awesome. Siri. He has done the discovery on all these things.

Mm-hmm. So he's a good resource for this. Knows his stuff. Well, you know, he was talking about like the testing and the placebo trials, which was a little shocking. And he argued that most routine childhood vaccines were not tested against inner placebos the way many other drugs are,

which I didn't know. I knew that it was possibly different for them, but I didn't know how different. And he said instead, they are often tested against another vaccine or a juvent containing commons. parritor. Yeah, that's a hard word.

Yeah, different. So it's like they're balancing it against something but not a placebo. It's like something else. Yeah, they probably test vaccines, like the Moderna versus the two. Right. Two against each other, see which one's the best.

Yeah, so anytime we argue about this with somebody, they would often say, well, they tested it. They just did it really quickly. Yeah. They used the best scientists were on this. They just did it fast. We're saving lives here. We have to work together. Really? We're working together. I'm not a scientist.

I didn't work on it. They work together. They work together. They work together to invent it. They work together to spread it allegedly. I don't know. Out of the lab. We don't believe. How can believe anything these guys tell us now, our government. They lost my trust as well. I'm jaded now. Yeah. Well, look, it's pretty.

well understood and accepted now even in D.C. that it was a lab leak. And that couldn't be talked about for years. It was like four years in D.C. that was whispered about. It was almost, yeah, it was like a witch trial when you might, when you, they talked about this. You were a buffoon. You were a conspiracy theorist. A fool, right? Yeah. And now I would like to just go back and be on the record and say if you were the people that were solidly in the camp that it wasn't and that it came from the market and that you believed everything that you were told which is reasonable because we were all taught just to believe what the news tells us and everyone else well chances are you were wrong and it's not your fault because you were tricked by a propaganda induced news

cycle and the government pushing a narrative, which, let's be fair, they probably knew that it came from a lab to or had suspicions of it, and they were trying to hide it for some reason. And, you know, I would say moving forward, probably be more suspicious in the future. I think that's something to consider. And for those of you out there that were suspicious the whole time, honestly, kudos to you. well done you know well done for taking the heat that you took because it probably wasn't great you're probably

mocked and kind of shit on by many people that you knew possibly even some of your close friends and family but if you stuck to your guns you're part of the reason this narrative stayed alive long enough for this truth to get out so well done yeah take some balls it was very very pressure everyone was really really pressure to take it.

People were angry, dude. Oh, man. I would have lost my job if I didn't. Right. Or had to wear a mask, which don't work. I was at my chiropractor the other day. Shout out to Dr. Dan, legend. Sorted my shoulder right out, feeling great.

That's good to hear. And he said that his son was, had scholarship to go to medical school and lost it during COVID. because he refused to get the shot. Incredible. And he basically said to the dean when they were like, we're going to have to kick you out of school and take your scholarship if you don't get the vaccine.

And he said, are you telling me to forget everything that you've taught me and I understand about medications and vaccines? And he took a real strong stance and they did remove him from school. Now, after the fact, and, you know, a couple of years later,

when he went to reapply, they did give him an apology and offer to reinstate that and he actually refused it. He said, I can no longer continue down a path in a type of institution that would have kind of fallen for that sort of pressure.

Captured. And I said to talk to that, and I'm like, I don't know your son. I know he's young, obviously. but holy shit, what a man. Right. Like, wow. That takes, that takes something.

Hundreds of thousands of dollars on the table. Oh, yeah. You know, he went and did roofing in the meantime. Talk about sticking to like an ethics and a value. There's nothing wrong of roofers. Well, there's nothing wrong with it, but it's very hard physically. Oh, yeah. A completely different shift.

And you can't tell me there's not a day that he's up. on the roof in the blazing sun, you know, sweating and working his ass off, wondering if he made the right decision. If, you know, that, you know, the one of those points where you're like, was I being stubborn? Was this the right move? Should I just play by the rules? Should I have just bent over like everybody else, et cetera, et cetera, you know? I hope he's, who finds his path? And it's, what a sacrifice.

Oh, he's doing great now. I think he's becoming a pilot. Oh, excellent. So he's very happy. Either way, I trust him as a doctor and I trust him as a pilot. Yeah, fly me anywhere. But it was a cool to hear it. And, you know, few people showed that level of integrity and kind of their own strength, I think.

And it's really impressive to hear those sorts of stories. Because, again, Siri talked about it, but it's something I think about all the time. I cannot believe. I mean, Siri mentioned when they did the lockdown at home, he said, that's when I thought everybody would come out with a pitchforks. That was going to be too much. And one thing after another, it just showed the government and everybody putting these rules on us that everyone everywhere just did it.

Right. With almost very little pushback. If there's enough fear, and enough of an idea of death. Right, that's what it was. You'll hurt your neighbor and you're irresponsible and how could you do this and turn neighbors against each other

and family members. It's like everyone fell in line. That pressure was so perfect. The argument of compassion was just, everybody wants to be compassionate. Well, now they have the formula. Yeah. Anytime they want to manipulate us for anything,

you don't think that they would use that if ever they wanted to in the future or ever they felt like they needed to. Oh yeah. I mean... They will. But will we fall for it in the same way? I hope that we won't. All they have to do is skip a couple of generations

and we'll forget. And or turn it all to a digital currency and if you don't fall online, they'll erase your bank account. Yeah. I mean, my daughter is only two. So she didn't experience the COVID thing. When she is, you know, 20 or 30, we're still be alive. So we know it. And we can pass that story down to her and say, you know, if this starts happening again, we can warn everybody. We can be like,

we live through this. Listen to us. This is wrong. But can she say that to her kids? It'd just be a story then. Right. They won't be prepared for it. And that's what happens. It had just cycle back around potentially. Well, hopefully it will turn, like it'll take a turn for the positive, potentially. I have hopes. Sometimes I have hope. Well, they're not going to try it for a while because that jaded some people. And I'm glad that these sorts of conversations are really happening now.

I'm still waiting for the good documentaries, though. Nobody's been brave enough to pop one of those out, you know, like a really good one, where it's just like exposing it all, just like this is what it is. You know, bringing some like old Pfizer execs that are really willing to speak. Someone would have to come forward. Yeah, a bunch of people, I think, are probably willing. And they just need to start getting people together. And, you know, bringing in people from hospitals and saying what potentially was actually happening with myocarditis.

and some vaccine injuries and some real things and collect some good numbers and start tallying it all up and, you know, let's get some real conclusions going. Make it into a cohesive story so we can digest that. Somebody do that.

Some smart YouTuber. That's, yeah, that's kind of what we need. Let's talk a little bit about the vaccine schedule expansion. So, you know, over the decades, kids are getting so many more vaccines now. I mean, it's kind of crazy how many they get. He discussed how the childhood vaccine schedule has expanded dramatically over the last 20 years. Children today receive far more doses than previous generations. And, you know, what is the long-term safety studies that exist for the?

the entire combined schedule. With no discovery, there's no ability to generate that list. That's the, that's the, these numbers just get, they're suppressed. It went from three in 85, and that's when I think they did the act. 86. 86. Well, before then, those three vaccines they were giving had repercussions. People died, kids died, had injuries, maybe not.

And with just three. So they, and then they probably because of that, they made that law or the act. What was it a law? An act. An act. And now they get 10 times. I assume an act is a law, too. They get 10 times the amount.

So, and then the risk will is exponentially greater. But we don't, we can't learn about it because there's no discovery process. Right. Yeah. And then, you know, one. of them is measles, right? And he talked about the death statistics. They even played that clip of a sitcom from back in the day. I don't know if it was from like the 50s or whatever. It was a Brady bunch. Yeah. And they're all joking about it. Oh, I got to go to bed. I got a high

temperature. So he was saying roughly three to four million Americans contracted measles annually before the vaccine, right? Around four to 500 deaths per year occurred in the year. In the year, US during the late pre-vaccine era, three to 400 deaths per year. Out of three to 400 million, you know, and he uses that to argue that the disease was serious, but not as catastrophic as modern fears suggest. Like it's not the kill everyone in the world type situation. I mean, so if four million people got it and 400 people died, then that's one in 10,000, I think is the math on that.

That's a lot. I mean, excuse me, that's not very many. A big number for a low amount of deaths. Yeah. Yeah. And how many potentially are seriously injured or dead from the news of vaccine? You know, maybe the vaccine is not so important for, like, obviously it stops those deaths. That's good.

You don't want 400 people dying of anything. No. But also, it stops 400 million people getting sick with measles. Maybe that really sucks. I mean, how uncomfortable was the measles? I think it was the thing everyone got. Is it like flu-like symptoms? I believe so.

It's one of those, like, people who had measles parties. They would get together and give each other measles. Like kids would. Oh, they would? Parents would do that to their children. Oh, so it's like chicken pox? Mm-hmm. Okay.

But once you get it, measles, then you don't get it again? Is that the idea? I believe that's how it works. Okay. And you want to get it when you're a kid and not older, it hits your immune system differently. Oh, gotcha. And you can become infertile. You can have some, you can go blind, I think, as well.

I see. So it's, it is a, it could be dangerous. Ah, good. So maybe that's a one that's good. Yeah. But these diseases that we have evolved with are not the ones that are going to be wiping out huge numbers. It's the ones that are made in labs for gain of function's purposes and then released on accident. Yeah.

Those are the ones that we have to worry about as a species. Exactly. Well, the vaccine injury claims, and like many of the real cases, so these include neurological injuries and severe adverse reactions. And Siri emphasizes that the existence of the compensation system is, itself acknowledges vaccine injuries do occur. So with these injuries, and that's one thing that really gets swept under the rug, right? So it's legal cases involving injuries compensated through the vaccine injury courts.

But they're not really talked about. They're definitely not kind of, they don't get in the press at all. Like, you know, this is, if there's like a spike in there, you would think that that would be something newsworthy, right? Right. But it's not talked about. Like, we never hear about it. No, we don't.

Yet it's public knowledge. I'm pretty sure just like any court proceedings, we can look those up. It's word of mouth basically in this point. So is it just one of those things that it's like, yeah, we don't want to talk about it. We want to forget. Like amnesia is best. All corporations are. under umbrellas and I think that, you know, NBC and all the letter channels are owned by

umbrella corporations, owned by drug companies, it seems. What's your thoughts on the Hep B vaccine for newborns? That one seems odd. So they test the mom always for Hep B and, you know, you get your results back. if she doesn't have it, then they vaccinate the baby basically day one. Yeah. What are they up to? I'm not for that.

I don't, I, um, that's a sexually transmitted disease and intravenous drug user's disease. Uh, that, fairly rare. It affects the liver. So I think that, I think I get that like, um, excuse me, the kids get that like around 11 or 12 these days, or in our day. Now they're getting met one. I just think that doesn't, it's not a good thing. Yeah, I was very suspicious of that. And in order for my daughter to get routine checkups from the doctor,

she had to be up to date on her vaccines. Otherwise, most doctors, even in Tennessee, wouldn't see her, which I thought was shocking. So I felt like, I even asked one doctor's office, I said, so you would turn my daughter away if she didn't have the wrong. right vaccines. And they repositioned their answer very politically. So they were just like, well, our policy is if they're not up to date on their vaccines that we don't see those patients. So I was like, I tried to reposition it again and said, so you will, you will turn away children

from medical care if they don't have their vaccines. And then she just reiterated. the same, so she had definitely practiced that. Yeah. They had that spiel down. It's a whole classic. And I didn't mean to put her kind of in that position, but I was just curious to see. I was like, this can't surely be possible, but it was. And so we didn't do the Hep B as soon as she was born.

We waited 30 days, which is like right at the time when she needed to start going. You know, they check a wait and they check some things at the doctors outside of the hospital. and that was when the kind of that first round. But I was like at least give her a month without pumping her full of some sort of compound that she probably doesn't need anyway. Yeah. Do we even know what's in most of these vaccines? Well, I don't. I didn't make them. I mean, I know. I mean, I'm believing like a little sheet of paper that they give me.

And assuming that the scientists, you know, did their job and wrote the right things on there and mixed the right. compounds in, for sure. But we know they might not have, at least made sure they're safe. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it is easy to get more and more suspicious of these things over time. I do know families definitely do it. There are a lot of families out there that don't have vaccinated children. Right.

And they're certainly not all dying left and right. I know a bunch of them coming from like, you know, the fundamentalist religious communities. how I grew up that are all fine and high achieving individuals. Yeah. And so they didn't need the doctor, I guess, in the same way. I'm not sure if they had the same sort of routine medical care. But do we even need that as far as... Don't really mean, I'm not a doctor.

I don't think we need the doctor too much. Maybe not as much as they make us think, but again, it's like a business. Well, it is a business, right? It's not like a business. It is a business. Yeah. So what better way to position your business than make yourself invaluable. Yeah. Like needed all the time.

Indispensable. Yeah, it's like the dentist. You got to go every six months for your cleaning. Now that's some real medical care if you ask me. You have to go. That's awesome. How could you not go for your cleaning and your checkup? My tooth polish.

What could be happening? It's like. Every time you go, what do they say? Nothing? Everything's good. Fine. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. I guess we're not good examples, but people need the dentist. How else do you get these gold teeth? Yeah. I mean, look, I'm not saying, don't take care of your teeth. Obviously, you should take care of everything. But, you know, maybe be suspicious when it's like, you know, it's like people are putting you on a subscription. Everything becomes a subscription. I hate that.

You've got to pay monthly. You can't own it. Yeah. Own your health. Right. As soon as they, I mean, a great example. Don't work out at home with weights. Join this gym and pay every month. Now that I will do. I'll subscribe to that. They're like, they don't want you going on a WebMD doing your own research.

Oh, heaven forbid. Don't just eat healthy. Eat terribly and come to the doctor every six months. And we'll give you some pills. You need more bread. That's at the bottom of the pyramid. You got to eat the bread. That's where it needs to be. It needs to be in the bottom of the trash. That's it. Yeah. Oh, what were they saying about the autism studies and discussion? That it's not just a question of like better testing for autism now. There's probably a lot of factors that go into the larger number of diagnosed cases of autism. But I think that did he mention that they even studied it in relation to vaccines? I don't know. He discusses legal requirements.

for studies examining vaccines given in the first six months of life and vaccines and claims agencies struggled to produce studies directly addressing that narrow question. So I don't know if that's suggesting that like maybe there's this link in there with the rise. And, you know, I mean, RFK Jr. has pushed for that. He's a lot. And, you know, there are plenty of people online that have sworn by it, right? These parents that are in massive distress now because they talk about their child that was, you know, however old. One year old.

He did the markers. Just completely normal doing its thing. And then literally the day after getting a certain vaccine almost like. like switched off. And look, here's the thing. It's, it's easy to judge anything and to dismiss that. But imagine how heartbreaking that would be. As a parent, you just watched your child get that needle. And then the next day, they're screaming all night, wake up, and they're shut off. Right. And that's like, you know, that's on, on them. Hard to discount those stories. Like, yeah, and now, and now you're being.

told by everyone that you're imagining this or it was for some other reason or this was going to happen. That's how they're born. Yeah. It could, it could just happen at any time. And it's like, well, they say the, are we sure? They say the Amish have zero autism. But, you know, maybe that's because they don't go to the doctor and get checked out. Maybe you're just really good at milking. Who's checking those Amish for autism though? They getting good autism tests over that? Check the underside of that Amish. Look, all I'm saying is, like, I think because there is such pressure to not look at those things, like, people do not want to draw that conclusion.

It's a horrifying. They're like, they're overjoyed to dismiss the idea that vaccines cause autism because it's got so political and it's got that whole anti-va-vaxor thing going on that people don't want anybody to look into it. like it's not about seeking the truth it's about winning an argument at this point and that muddies the water so bad that it makes it almost impossible to find the answer isn't it more important than we just find out for sure i think that's and they talk about it like the argument is settled oh no we've settled it we've we've looked at it enough and it's and we're good and i'm like okay what about these few families though like what about them Like, can we admit that sometimes it does it, but it's really, really rare? Just for their peace of mind, like, just to give them some understanding of what happened? Or do we just dismiss them completely and say, no, because it's pretty unlikely and pretty rare that we say it never happens.

And there's no link. There can't be that number, right? That has to have some effect on us. they're basically saying no they're saying that there is no link I'm pretty sure that's like the standard release of where we are with it

this is the one this is the well because if they say there's any link then they're opening the door to there's a big link and it's you know they're opening themselves up for real trouble so they don't want to at all they're not looking to take any

responsibility for this in any way. It's that thing we talked about earlier. The cost versus correction. Well, injuries are one thing, but if it gets linked to giving people autism, like straight up changing

who they are, children, I mean, the population is not going to stand for that for long. It doesn't matter how many acts are in place. Like, there would start to be so much public pressure that things would get changed. I wonder if there's any religious communities that don't take the vaccine, like, as a whole community. Yeah, I don't know.

I don't think Jehovah's Witnesses do. Did Jehovah's Witnesses take vaccines? Let's find out. I don't see if there's any, like, any kinds, because I, that's how people I know have gotten around that religious exemption. This is the new thing that, like, will ostracize you. and this, you know, we've, first it was COVID, and then it was, does it do vaccines in general cause this? It's the new, like, it's, what is it,

immediately discounted when you bring this up. By some people. Yeah. But, you know, more and more people are, like, open to those sorts of discussions because more people are suspicious now. And, you know, there still are some that are, like, completely sold on the old narrative and stick to their guns. but that's okay.

While no major religion in the U.S. explicitly prohibit vaccines based on core doctrine, some smaller sex denominations and subgroups within broader traditions have historically opposed or shown hesitancy towards vaccines for reasons like reliance on faith healing. So Christian scientists, Church of Christ. Those of those snake dancers. I like those guys. The Amish and the Mennonite communities, certain evangelical Protestant and faith healing groups, ultra-Orthodox Jewish communities, specific Muslim subgroups, and congregation of universal wisdom.

What is that? That one's interesting. This small chiropractic-based religious movement explicitly forbids vaccinations, viewing them as... What is this? Is it like a chiropractic religion? Let's get into that. Never heard of this. Other religion.

Okay. Sounds like it's from California. All right. Universal intelligence and spinal adjustments. the path to health. Huh. They're mixing, they're mixing two things there, aren't they?

You just, like, show up somewhere and everyone's, like, cracking each other's backs? It's my kind of place. Saying hallelujah? Okay. Well, there you go. So some. I guess the answer is yes, but not...

There's a few. There's not many. Yeah. I mean, it's who we thought. The Amish. I guess Jovis witnesses do. Okay. I was pretty sure they don't do

blood transfusions, so... There's a weird stuff. they all do that they have their own things they got their stuff going on they got this stuff going on they do it but there you go okay so yeah

we just study the Amish as a case study we should get on that me and you why not well there's not too many in Montana so it's gonna be a lot of work for us minonites we go minonites then

all right we go whoever's closest yeah they're like denim Amish yeah we're just some inbred folks in the hills I can't tell if it's Autism or your parents are cousins. That's both. Yeah.

Well, so the risk and perception and public messaging, that was like a big thing. So, you know, Rogan argues that modern public health messaging often amplifies fear of the disease, which, of course, we saw a huge amount of during COVID. and, you know, the public health messaging around that, which was pushed by the government and then immediately the news was massive. And I wonder how different it would be if there was a Republican government in at that time, because most of the media is left-leaning. So do you think that they would have pushed against a right-leaning? government. Wasn't just to be critical. Trump was president during COVID, right?

When the vaccine was first being developed and the left was saying things like we're not getting some rush through vaccine without it properly being tested, they were doing that whole political thing. But then ever, then the stars aligned once the left got in because then it was liberal media with liberal, um, leadership. Leadership. And then they spread the message on the same side with a big push of we're going to save the world.

And, you know, just push that right in our faces. It was like the perfect storm. So I guess they were against it in the media at the onset. Yeah, I'm not sure. I mean... But it's the same government, just different flavors. I think the government, no matter which side was going to be in, was going to be pro-make the vaccine. Because I think that there was pressure to do so.

And a lot of lobbying and a lot of pushing from like the scientific community, how it was perceived and reported on may have been different. And that may have changed things. And how the lockdowns took place may have displayed themselves different. under different leadership. Right. I don't think the right would have been quite as locked down. It was different state to state as well. Anyway, it was, yeah.

So maybe that would have stayed the same because it was mostly state run. I would imagine California and New York would have been pretty similar to how they were. It's really hard to know. But, yeah, I don't know. I mean, after hearing this, after hearing how they do the trials, how they don't really test these things in the same way, how they don't do the placebo stuff, how you can't sue them, how there's less safety precautions. I mean, what does this do overall for your feeling of vaccines moving forward?

Does it give you any confidence in that direction? Does it change any way that you thought about the whole COVID thing? You know, what did you get out of this podcast? Oh, me? I thought I'm talking the audience. Both, but you're here, so you could answer it. They have the email in, Pete. It changed me, man.

It definitely changed me. From just kind of just following every recommendation to wondering about what happens. And taking my health into my own control. And I definitely had a reaction to getting that vaccine. I was sick for like two weeks. Really? And I couldn't move for, I couldn't move without weird pains for 24 hours, but I was ill. Whoa.

So that wasn't everybody's experience. Yeah. But it definitely was eye opening for how I've always been, which is listen to the doctor. Mm-hmm. Listen to the people that I respect around me. We've got to take our health into our own hands. Yeah. I had the J&J and it's just one shot.

And I had crazy fever for, like, eight hours. It was nuts. And then a massive headache. Youch. And then it was over. Supposedly, that one was not supposed to be

all that bad for side effects. But for whatever reason, it hit me like a ton of bricks. It sucked. There's often reactions with every vaccine. Mm-hmm. But the lingering effects are what we're trying to think of of here.

Worst ones I'd ever had. But, yeah, I didn't notice anything afterwards. But again, the J&J wasn't our, you know, what, DNA ones? or whatever RNA ones. It's an older style. Yeah, it was just, you know, the standard deal. So it didn't make those spike proteins and didn't do all that jargon.

Change your DNA in some way. I wonder if there's any recourse or detox that can go on if you're afraid that there might be heavy metals in your system from those jabs. I don't know. I don't think mercury poisoning was like the concern. It was more the spike problem. protein issue and potential damage to your heart, I think, the myocarditis and the scarring. And if that was to happen, it's happened. You'll find out later.

Let's have to move. Let's move forward from that one. Yeah. The pressing. Sorry. I didn't want to upset you that. But yeah, that's the scary thing about it. And I think that is also the thing that, you know, it's inevitable that if it has happened that way, people will find out later.

Like scans will exist. These people will get older, and we're going to have better technology to look at the heart of people. And as these hearts start failing, they're going to start failing in ways that reflect previous damage. And we're going to be able to trace it back to points in time. And it may be that point in time or somewhere around that time. So it's going to tell us something. If the discovery is allowed. And a lot of strange, you know, there's been a lot of those, what they call turbo cancers and a lot of other illnesses and sicknesses that have been spiking since, you know, the time around the vaccine administration, you know, administering.

So, you know, whether they can draw any strong correlation to that or not, who knows, but it's something that people need to look into for sure. We've got to get our hands on that UK's data. That's it. The UHS. What is it called? NHS. NHS data.

And that's going to be a good place to start. But it's just about getting data from everywhere and pumping it through a super robust AI system and checking it all out. At the end of the day, you can't hide from good data. No. That's the thing. You can spin it as much as you want,

but it's really difficult to hide from good data. And you get a good analyst in there. And it's like, there you go. These are the points. That's what it looks like. And then the facts. Bad news. Bad news, folks.

And then it goes back to what Fauci used to say, follow the science. Whoops. And hopefully some laws that change because if there is some notice repercussions, they're untouchable. It's a good point. Yeah, that's a good point. Well, anyway, check out this episode. I give this one a solid 7.5 out of 10. I enjoyed it.

I like that guy a lot. Siri was cool. He's like he's a solid lawyer type guy. Excellent. He can weave a web. Yeah. He's a good talker. He spoke well for sure.

He had that like a silver tongue. Yeah. Good for a lawyer to have. Good. Yeah, good lawyer talk. And great for a podcast. So check it out. I liked it.

And we'll talk to you guys later.