Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 519 JRE Review of Bob Lazar

Episode Date: April 7, 2026

Bob Lazar returns to The Joe Rogan Experience—and with the new documentary S4: The Bob Lazar Story, his claims about Area 51, alien craft, and Element 115 are back in the spotlight. In this episode, we break down Lazar's original Rogan appearance and what's changed in 2026. From the S4 facility to the gravity-based propulsion system, we cover the core claims, the biggest credibility gaps, and why his story still divides audiences decades later. We also look at how the new documentary uses CGI and AI to visualize Lazar's story—and whether that makes it more believable or just more compelling. If you've ever questioned whether Bob Lazar is telling the truth, this one's for you. Thanks to this weeks sponsors: Head to Chime.com/JRER Fee-free and smarter banking built for YOU Go to RocketMoney.com/JRER to help monitor your spending, find and cancel unwanted subscriptions. For more Rogan exclusives support us on Patreon patreon.com/JREReview www.JREreview.com For all marketing questions and inquiries: [e-mail] Please email us here with any suggestions, comments and questions for future shows.. [e-mail]

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Now with your host, Adam Thorn. This might either be the worst podcast or the best one a whole time. One go. Enjoy the show. Hey guys and welcome to another episode of the J.R.E review. This one is a big one. The return of Bob Lazar. Holy heck.

The king of Joe Rogan guess. Well, I mean, really, his first appearance was literally the most watched episode of Joe Rogan ever on YouTube. By far, I think. He opened with that. Yeah. He knows the Lazar like made him. Dude. Yeah.

I mean, it's, Rogan was waiting for this one. He was excited. It's still something that we could talk about that doesn't like make people, well, ooh, not a touchy subject. Theo's was dicey. Dicey. And this one was one of the old style ones. Yeah. Yeah.

And yet still some politics and controversy about Iran made its way in the, I mean, the world is so nuts right now. We are literally at this point. It's 5 p.m. We're waiting in mountain time. We're waiting one hour for Trump to blow up Iran. No way around it. Jeez.

What a time to do a podcast. Can I write a letter to my congressman? No, Pete, we're podcasting. We don't have time. You're going to have to wait. Oh, that guy that broke that Marine's arm. That's, I don't know. Oh, to that guy.

Yeah. You can't read. it's it's it's wild but you know and that kind of like also brings it back to the whole why is all this UFO stuff coming out too because even within the UFO community now there's a big um you know section of that community that's now starting to think that it's all just a distraction away from something else. Right. Like they've all been waiting for it

for all these years, but now that the government's kind of jumping on board with it and buying up domains like alien.org, it's like, because they've spent so long being suspicious, they're even suspicious of the thing that they've been waiting for, which is the disclosure. Which I love about it. We're not going to fall for too much stuff anymore.

No. Well, we can get tricked, but... They ruined us. They've ruined it. I'm ruined. One of the best parts of the release of this episode was the top comment on YouTube was I've never clicked so fast. Broke my mouse. Yeah, broke my fingers.

Click it away. It's so true, though. I mean, I'm always keeping up to date with my Rogan watching and listening, of course, because I'm reviewing. Yeah. But I think the same thing. It popped up and I stopped everything that I was doing and was like, well, clearly I have to watch this right now. You pushed your daughter to the ground and you said, I'm a daddy's busy. Not now. The daughter's crying for some reason. You can eat later and straight over to it. Aliens. And it was a little like that. And yeah, boy, was I excited.

You haven't watched the documentary yet, though. Not yet. Okay, well, I bought it. Oh, you did. I knew it was worth paying the extra. Well, it was $10 to rent it, $20 to buy. Where? And I'm like, oh, Amazon. So I knew that I was going to watch it more than once.

So already buy it. Yeah, I might have to come over and watch it or something. And I figured you'd probably watch it. But I'll tell you what is really cool about it. If you're bought in to the whole Bob Lazard thing, which so many people are now, anyone interested in it. are. So here's the thing. When you what, it's not like the documentary is this mind-blowing, like we've all heard the story. There's nothing in it that is just going to be like, oh my God.

I mean, I think the age of disclosure was honestly kind of like more impactful in that sense. But this is why S-4 is so good, I think. It's because now, one, the recreation of everything is spot on. It's really, well, I'm saying it like I was there. I'm not. I wasn't. But it's a Bob says. It's really well done, right? They really kind of take you back to what you could imagine. They make it look good. Everything's crisp and clean. They make Bob look really young. You know, they just fit all these pieces. And also, they, from the story that's been told so many times, they fit all those elements in really nicely. Right? It's not so. some, you know, really jenky, pulled together, you know, recreation. Hollywood Marvel movie style? Well, you know how sometimes, you know, the murder mystery shows, they do like the recreation section. And it's just like, they're doing their best, but the budget isn't there.

This is like the budget was big. Got it. They got plenty of money for it and they do a great job. They put everything into it. But not only that, you're watching it. And now I believe him more than ever because it just seems so much credibility, especially with all the rest of the disclosure stuff. So all the pieces that were missing before that I was like, yeah, but maybe.

And maybe. And okay, but what if, but maybe. That seems so far-fetched. Now I'm just like, all right, I'm just going to. take this of face value. Too much shit's lining up. How would he have known about the hangar doors in S4 or the location and these other things? Like, fuck it. I believe him. Yeah. He did it. He was there. And now you're watching through it. And it's like the whole time, I'm like, jaw open. Wow. This place existed. Still exists. Existed in the 80s. Yeah. And before that, probably. Yeah. For many years.

years before that. They've been working on this stuff maybe for 30 plus years in there and had teams and teams of people doing it. And they had nine crafts. Different kinds? Yep. All different shapes. Jelly mold one, a top hat one. The, you know, the sports model. The sporty model. That's what I mostly know about. Crazy stuff. They could go inside it, operate them. They didn't know exactly how they worked but they know how to kind of turn them on and fuck around with them his job was propulsions right

yeah so he was working on how they move right through our atmosphere through any atmosphere through dimensions potentially it just how it powers yeah yeah and it's just blows my mind that it's and they figured out that there was two drive things called

like omega and some other thing one is like zipping around you know, quickly on this planet or around the earth. And another one is literally hopping through the galaxy. Big jumps. Incredible. Like Star Trek. Like Light Drive.

And he thinks that's why they removed some big pieces from the ship. So it couldn't make those jumps. Okay. That was his theory. They were like, they took out some bits. They being... The other scientist. Okay.

You know, because they had one in a room that he was working on that they were doing experiments on. They'd cut it out of the ship. And his thought was, oh, now it can't do like the big jumps because pieces of it were missing. But it could do the other short flights. Okay. And they must have figured out that it wouldn't blow up if they remove that. And it could still operate. So maybe a yokel could get in there one of us could fly it around potentially?

He saw it flying around. So a human fluid? Yes. Not a robot or not a remote control? No. They were communicating with somebody with a radio that was inside the ship. Sporty model. And somehow operating it and flying it around.

Wow. So maybe some of the sightings we've seen and our military has seen is that ship, one of those ships zipping around. Sounds like it. So that builds credibility for me. Because we've over Mexico or Phoenix, they have all these weird dark triangles that hover, the Phoenix lights, the Tick-Tac. And his story corroborates all that for me. Right. It's like, well, we see him out and we listen to this guy talk about it.

This is, it's probably true. But that's such a weird disconnect for me that I can't put together either. Like, right now I'm saying, well, now we're down to 45 minutes. Oh, geez. 45 minutes for Iran. And we're going in with, we're going in with, you know, F fighters and those sorts of things to blow up the bridges and their power grid. Most banks are still hitting you with random fees, overdrafts, monthly charges, and all of that stuff that quietly eat your money. That's why Chime stands out.

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And I'm like, but we have fucking UFOs? Like, what are they doing then? Does someone else own those? Yeah. Do we just not get them out? Are we keeping them for a special day? Maybe. Do we use them for other stuff we don't talk about?

It's almost like, you know, we're still going to war with bows and arrows just for show, but secretly we have space travel. Yeah. It's like, what? Okay, that does bring a little bit of a... Yeah, why is there's what is happening there? But anyway, we're watching. Anyway, we're watching this documentary thing, this, you know, play out in front of us. He's doing, you know, showing these experiments, these things all happening, talking about getting on and off the base to S4 and how secretive it all is, smuggling his friends onto the base to watch the flights.

I think it was like on a Wednesday. You know, it's a good day Wednesday. Casual Wednesday. Good day to choose. Hawaiian T-shirt Wednesday. Well, no, they knew that that was when the freeways that were close by the least busy. So that's when they would do their flights.

Oh, okay. And, you know, he's showing his friends. His friends saw it. These things are zipping around in Nevada. Nevada, yeah. So, like, probably northwest of Las Vegas. Right. Somewhere up that range.

Wherever the Area 51 thing is, because they would fly out of the, Las Vegas airport. Oh, okay. And, you know, this whole time I'm watching this, and I'm just like, okay, so we have it. Some of these crafts were, as far as he knows, they're like archaeological discoveries. So they've been here a long time, which is even more nutty. That's nuts to think about it.

But, like, in a way, why not? Why do we have had to have found them now? Yeah. Like, they're already way more advanced than us. They could have been way more advanced than us thousands of years ago, too. Doesn't really matter when they were. Makes sense that they would be. Even considering we have cave paintings with UFOs on them.

Yeah, good chance. Renaissance pictures. They could have crashed back then. Yeah. Or been deposited, like an offering. Some people think. Just left. They were gifts.

Figure this out. Stone Age winks. Yeah. I mean, if the Egyptians found one, they're going to not get very far with it. Not the new ones, but the old ones, maybe. Maybe that's how they did those pyramid things, built them. Okay. Yeah, that ties back into our Italian scientist.

Yeah, yeah. Well, they talked about him a little bit and what was going on down there. And, you know, in the labyrinth area. The Tic Tac. and what's buried beneath the big metal object that's down there. Giant metal object. Yeah. Why has nobody gone down there and dug that thing up?

We got a lot of questions. Get on it. Yeah. Get your tools out. Get your spades, as you call them. Get your... Yeah. Get down there with your spanners.

Your spades. And figure it out. But, I mean, that's the whole thing. That's the point of the documentary that's just kind of... of like mind blowing as you're watching it's like that place exists they have those things they're real they don't know where they come from and it just all those bigger questions just can't like there's whole civilizations of other entities that made them over millennia that are super advanced that we don't know what they want where they're from what they're doing how they

built that stuff and they just have it. Maybe they're... And it also brings up that realistically, there's a good potential since we were reverse engineering then and we were reverse engineering it before that, that a good chunk of our advanced technologies have come from things that we have, at least ideas that we've taken from things that we found from those ships. So we as a human race can't even give ourselves credit

for all the cool stuff we've invented. I know we've talked about it before, but the microchip thing, the innovation of microchips was such a huge jump from original computers using punch cards to microchips,

which are, you can almost infinitely zoom into a microchip and see different layers of intricacy. Have you ever seen how small a transistor is? Have you ever seen the thing on a transistor? It's like as small as a virus. Oh, my gosh. And the phones have like hundreds of thousands of them in.

All electronic things do. This has to be reversed in. They're super, super tiny. Yeah. And it's like, wait a minute. We build this? You're telling me we figure this out. Like, I like to give us a lot of credit for stuff.

Like, humans are very smart. Not me. Not us. Some of them. Asians. Well, look, we're smart enough to replicate some things. that we've seen. Yeah.

That after looking at some stuff that maybe some other entities made, and we studied it long enough, we were able to copy it. I think that even the tools... But maybe we didn't make it. Yeah, the tools used to evaluate these crazy technologies are of themselves huge advancements. And maybe that has spurred us further. You know, just like the ability to make a microscope with tools

that you can manipulate something that's small, is a crazy advancement. Yes. Well, I'm sure that that came from that. Right. That need for necessity. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, look, we definitely invented stuff. So I'm not saying. I can see us moving bricks around, big heavy bricks. We're more lumberers. I could see that. Yeah. I cannot see banging away. Just inventing hundreds of layers microchip

that's half a millimeter thick. Mm-hmm. It's ridiculous. It's... Jesus. Oh, wow. No, man. Whoa.

Aliens. Easy. Easy. But yeah, absolutely incredible. And there you go. Yeah. So what's... Aliens.

Who's this Luigi guy? So he put the film together and meticulously kind of recreated everything. And all the way down to. even finding the location. It's kind of how they, you know, towards the end of the conversation, they talked about the mapping and how, you know,

somebody flew over that site on Christmas Day. Somehow they got some permission. And with like a decent camera, took tons and tons of pictures around S4. And after they went back in and kind of messed with the contrast and, like, had some like photo editors

like really go back and like look at all these images which were like better than any of the images on Google Maps or any other types of maps that they could have got a whole of. They were able to see the Bay Doors which is where these things were hidden. It backed up Lazars account. Yeah. Unless there's some other garage

in the side of a mountain for some reason. That's pretty good, amazing coincidence. Yeah. And yeah, he meticulously put together the whole imagery and models and all the rest of it from Bob's account and just kind of rebuilt this whole story over a long period of time. And he's just become like absolutely obsessed with it and wanted to make it as accurate as possible. I mean, which is really cool because, you know, I mean, we're never going to get to see like a propulsion system that is made by aliens, but like that's pretty close. And Bob says it's exactly. He said it's deja vu for him.

I wonder if this is now what he's going to be remembering. Like if you remember this instead of his previous memories, now he's got this in his head. They do say that you kind of rewrite your memories when, but it should help. that if you recall them very accurately and then reconstruct it accurately, then you're rewriting a very accurate image of it. He even talks on the episode of once kind of the whole structure of the base was put together, he started to remember some other elements because it's like kicked off some other memories.

He was like, oh, there was something here. And then there was some other piece. it like came back to it after all that time so that's great wild he's a national treasure where you know where do you go from from that really as far as he's he's concerned or us what's what i really like about it too is he doesn't once talk about anything he discovered so as a scientist that is proud of his knowledge of science. He's obviously not a dummy. You know, he put that jetpack on that car.

He's had legit science jobs. He's obsessed with all of this stuff. And since no one can corroborate any of his story, he could easily be like, oh, yeah, and while I was working on the base, I discovered this thing. Or like, he doesn't once say anything he figured out. In fact, if anything, he's like, yeah,

we basically figured out nothing. and nobody really figured anything out. It was almost like for the entire six months that they went into work, they just looked at things and pushed on stuff and turned things. Which is probably what they did if it was that complicated.

I wouldn't want to just accidentally start it up and shoot it through the ceiling. Right. But what I'm saying is he does, you know, he's not kind of trying to take credit for anything. I guess the big reason for not really having too many advancements when he was there is because they couldn't work together.

Exactly. And he said that's been happening for years over there. Like the metallurgy people couldn't speak to the propulsion people and because everyone was so separated, which from a security standpoint makes a ton of sense. Yeah. Because if you get someone like Bob

who eventually is willing to talk about the whole story, You can't have him have as much of a complete picture as would be possible. Right. So they had to do it like this. I mean, they're lucky that only one person ever did speak out. And it's kind of amazing they didn't kill Bob. Yeah. I wonder if there has been some deaths associated with these crews.

Dude, if it was Russia, they were to kill Bob. Totally. They're killing for the last. I mean, I would, we kill for less. Hillary Clinton killed for less. Allegedly. But it's, yeah, it just is surprising that they've kind of left him alone. I wonder if it is because he went to the TV and talked to that news person and kind of got his story out.

And then they were like, ah, shit, we can't get him now because it'd be too obvious. They will do it. They just think we're such idiots that they'll just fake it, fake a suicide with two shotgun blasts to the head. That's it. Pull his pants down. Loove him up and just hang him from a tree. He carried into himself. Yeah.

Poor guy. And then he carrigan himself. Is that a caridine? Caridine. Yeah. Is that what they call it these days? Yeah. They just make him look like a big old purve.

Maybe he's alive because he has less credibility than... I think. I think that they kind of deleted him from, like, the universities and all of the jobs. And I think that they assumed that his story would go nowhere because nobody could back him up. Yeah. Okay. And I think that was the idea. For so long, any...

And I don't think it carried. I mean, he came out in the 80s with this story originally. Right. I don't... I think it was just in, like, the fringe. UFO community that people were excited about Bob. And, you know, it didn't pick up massive steam until much later. So they probably would just, he just wasn't hugely on everyone's radar.

And also, it was such a fringe thing that any mention of it would immediately just count everything that you say. Well, because they made everything UFO wacky. Yep. You know, I knew people back in England when I was growing up, I was like, I remember being like nine or ten, and we knew somebody in our village that was like the older guy that was always swore that he saw these UFOs. And, you know, we didn't live that far from like we were in the West Country, so like kind of near Stonehengy area. And it was actually the West Country is where a lot of those crop circles first started coming up.

And, you know, and even some of the really meticulous complex ones that would be way. too difficult for one person to do or even a group of people. In a night. Oh, yeah. And again, easily dismissed because there was that team of two farmers that could fold, you know, three circles with some boards. Uh-huh. But then when there was like the 900 circle one, nobody questioned. Mathematically perfect.

Yeah. There's hundreds that are mathematically perfect. And some sort of advanced code. And it's like, what? There's been people that study those things and have discovered new theorems. Right. Yeah. And new equations.

And again, it just gets, just gets like... I saw one recently about a guy that made them into 3D models, and they look like spacecrafts. They're incredible. Right. And you got to wonder. Maybe they're a little... That's what ferries were back in the day. You know, people just like, oh, you know, the fairies did that.

It's a great way to describe something you have no idea what's happening. Well, the guy in the village was so easily dismissed. It's just like wacko. He's a bit of a drinker. And it wasn't like he was the only one that ever saw anything flying around the sky, but you immediately just would be put in that category. So a lot of people that would see things would be like, oh, nothing. Yeah.

It was like we were already trained. The governments all did a really good job of making us. know right away that you got a choice here you're either going to choose to be an outcast they're like they're definitely not positively encouraging us to say we saw anything in the sky exactly so you get to be a loon or say nothing you can ignore it what's your choice exactly there's um so many siops on both sides of every aisle that we don't know what's what's true anymore Mm-hmm. We're so easy to discountable.

We can just be discredited in a minute. Yeah. They can download stuff to our computers that make us criminals. And, oh, we're not going to listen to that guy. You see what they found on his computer? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Immediately.

You're donezo. Yep. And then... I wonder what Bob thinks about crop circles. They didn't bring him up. Yeah, he's not really like a UFO. a fan or a conspiracy guy

yeah they obviously people are sending him things all the time he talked about it he's like what do you think of this like a fan you know some some UFO guy will send him and it'll be like I don't know maybe that was Venus or Mercury that you saw and then they're just like oh they got to Bob

you know but got him but that's the thing I and Joe says it a bunch that's why Bob is credible because he's not jumping on every conspiracy after that. He's not, he knows what he saw. He really only likes to talk about that. Yeah. And he doesn't even like to jump into theories about what anything is. Yeah, even the stuff he saw. He's just like, okay, I know what it did. I guess a bit about how it

could work, but we really don't know. And that's kind of it. I mean, even to the point where they were calling the propulsion device a gravitation machine. And he's like, but gravity doesn't really work like that. If anything, it's like anti-gravity, but, you know, the force, it doesn't push back against the device creating that force. We also don't know how anything connects. It doesn't seem to be communication between any of the other three pieces. He was saying something about the metal or the material used on the ships. that they're what not they're not magnetic

they're static it's like not a magnet it's a like has I guess did it what is a static an opposite charge it's a charge of some kind so maybe they use they use that to slide through

the ionosphere or the magnetics of the universe because it has to have some sort of propulsion that's not shoving it because you'll get squished by the G-Force but It's like a bending space time thing

right which is something that we know gravity does like wormholes do it according to the math black holes do it massive planets do it

so that's a thing so somehow they figured out how to do this in like a small area and they use that element 115 which was discovered right they've um well we so a certain isotope of it can be created in like the large headron

collider okay at like miniscure amounts like the tiniest tiniest proportion enough for us to do like a bunch of calculations on it then it's gone disappears right so no we don't have like a stable amount we definitely don't have you know half a kilogram of it to do anything with it and in it they As far as they could tell, it's like that amount that they had in that triangle. It's like a fuel for like years. In that ship had it? Uh-huh. Okay.

Yeah. Is that how, so did they find it there first? Is that the speculation? And then the Hadron Clatter was also recognized it there? Yeah, they found it on the alien ship first. Okay. A stable version of it and quite a lot of it. Wow.

And then it was theorized on the periodic table Because all the elements could be guessed We just don't know what their properties are We know what they would weigh So before we discovered it Because of the order of the periodic table It's just the order of weight They were like there's one here

Yeah, there would be 115, 116, 117 That's just the molecular mass It's the weight of it Gotcha So before it's discovered Meaning created Under massive amounts of pressure and power, which is, after a point, can only be done in the hedgeron glider because it's creating

like, you know, forces equivalent to what you would have, you know, during a supernova or some massive, you know, star equivalent explosion. Then it can make a bunch of unusual elements or tiny fractional particles of them. But it's making the isotopes, like the very radioactive versions of it, the decomposed very quickly. They just shattered to nothing. But they exist long enough for us to do some math with them.

And we're like, oh yeah, does this. Like there's an element on there called, I think, francium, which is one of the only other liquid metals, or it would be a liquid metal at room temperature, like mercury. But again, never made enough of it to have it be liquid metal. We've made a tiny fraction of an amount that again decomposed. But if we had enough of it, based on the properties that it displayed

when we did calculations on it, at room temperature, it would be technically classified in metal and it would be liquid if it was stable. I see. Again, it's not. But it's on the periodic table. It's the thing. And eventually, who knows, maybe we figure out a way to make more of this stuff. Or maybe they've already figured it out, you know, somewhere. Or maybe that's one of the, you know, the halting factors in using these crafts that we probably have is where's the fuel kind of come from? They said, he said that they had more of it, though. Oh, really?

Okay. Yeah, they had a bunch of it. so they were like trying to i guess cut more of it into that shape so they managed to find more of it and you'd think that they want to get down to that one underneath the egypt in the labyrinth eventually that's like the only place you're going to find it is in these down to crafts yeah you'd think america would like put more resources into that than blown up around in 21 minutes Countdown. I should stop saying that. That's ruining this podcast. This is not, this is making this unfun and not timely at all. I'm sad about it. No, it's making it timely but unfun. Yeah, there we go.

There we go. Yeah. Not good. Not good. But I mean, we were saying this before the pod, right? Why is all this so interesting? Why did, why is Bob Lazar's episode the most listened to, most watched ever on the most listened to and consumed show of all time. Yeah. And it's because, you know, what I was saying, our parents, when they were our age, right, in their 40s, we'll probably got to this point where they're like, oh shit, we're like proper adults now, you know, not saying that they're starting to feel old, but they were starting to feel a bit older.

Knees are creaking, back starting to hurt, that you're not young. No. You're starting to make decisions like, yeah, we're not. hanging out the bar anymore. We got kids. Not going to jump off that. Exactly. We're not jumping off that. We've got to think, you know, you're in the shower, you turn your head real quick and your neck aches for a week. It's like, things are changing.

You know? And this is, when were they turning 40, like early 90s? Yeah. It's like that was that time, right? So it was different than their parents. Like, there was more technology. Computers were popping up. Tech was starting to happen. But it wasn't a ton different than, what their parents experienced in the 50s. I mean, there was some more advancements. Got microwaves now.

Yeah, my grandpa lived in a mud hut when he was born in New Mexico. There we go. So some things have changed, for sure. But everyone's still listening to record players. But now it's our generation and things that we're talking post-COVID. We've gone through that wackiness. We've gone through the 9-11 stuff. We've gone through the housing crisis.

we most people can't even buy a house anymore that's a big change for everybody we've got freaking aliens war every day basically existing every year there's a war stuff is way just even the oh an AI forget that AI throw that out that's like we're at the beginning of this but it's already looking over the horizon to what the fuck is that going to do scary stuff and and now people are very seriously just going, oh, this whole time, the whole time for our parents and grandparents, and they didn't even know about it

and would have thought it was crazy. There were aliens. There were ships. There were reverse engineering programs happening. And we now know about it. We're the generation that gets given that info. We didn't ask for this, dude. I already can't sleep at night.

I'm going to have a hard time. It's like the Matrix came out, blew my mind, and then it just... It's all true. It just all started to go wacky in that direction. I want to be like a cipher and put me back in. Put me back in. Eat that steak. Yeah.

I want to remember nothing. Nothing you understand. Yeah, for sure. That's why I like those little comic skits that are just spoofs, where it's Morpheus offering the pill. and Neo immediately just takes the one that hasn't forget. He's like, no, no, no, no, you're not understanding what I'm saying. You got to, you want to wake up.

He's like, no, no, no. What, you took both pills? It's just tripping. Yeah, that's the funny one. I like it. Yeah, I don't know. I don't, like. It's not fair.

It seems unfair to have all this stuff. My grandpa, my grandpa was a grand. grandpa at like 45. Was he really? Yeah. Well, times were different. Times were different. That's...

Sack of potatoes and full kids. So he got. And he lived really old. He seemed like he had it together. Strong. His dad... Didn't know anything about the aliens. They were happening the whole time.

He heard a radio for the first time and would never come back to that house because he thought it was the devil on the air. Really? Yeah. There's a family story about his dad going and hearing something. Squaw. from the living room and it's like, no, that's a Satan house. It's not for me. Wow. So he was dumb, man. Yeah.

He might have the right idea. Just kidding. God bless him. God bless him. He knew where it was going. Great grandpa James. Yeah. AI. AI. That's what you knew. Slipper slope, y'all. He goes, starts with radio before you know it. We chat bots that you want to marry. Sex bots. Stealing your wallet. Your bitcoins. Yep. Oh, that's another thing. Fricking cryptos. Crypto. Parents didn't have to deal with that stuff. What's wrong with gold, you know?

Weighing it in your hand like you're saying. That's it. You don't know, like... Sack of gold like a pirate. You just buying stuff. Plunk it on the table. Spit in your hand. Shake their hand. It's a done deal. Stab them in the alley, take a gold back. Like the good old days.

Yep. It can't be like that anymore, I'm afraid. Well, I hope Bob is going to be okay. I think at this point... No one's coming for Bob now. He's well protected. He lives... Where did he live? Up in Washington?

He has like a big old ranch up in the mountains or something. Good for him. With his like... Filipino wife? No, he's got pretty good-looking... Pretty good-looking wife. She shows up in the documentary. I was like, good for Bob.

Gully, Bob. Is that what nerds get? He's got... He's done all right. He's probably not. She seems lovely. She must be into the science. She's like, Bob, really, the science stuff?

He's got like a horse ranch, and he's got his whole lab. He's like sat in his lab. Is he doing a nerd? Is he doing stuff still? He's doing science stuff, dude. He loves it. That's Bob's thing. Godly, I'd like to get an invite up to that place.

He's still smuggling some Element 115 up there somewhere. Guaranteed. Zipping around. I bet he's doing some tests on it. I got a secret test. I think you could cover a human in that. It would look just like the silver surfer. It's copper.

It's copper. Yeah. Who is? The element 115. Oh. It's coppery looking. Oh, okay. So it's copper surfer.

Yeah. The copper surf. They had one thing wrong. Uh-huh. Close. Yep. But I mean, look, just the fact that he was calling that out in the 80s. And then they discovered it in like the early 2000.

I mean, look, they were always going to discover that element. I don't really know what connects here. You know, I don't know if their discovery of that element connects his description of it to the element that we have discovered. I think that they reference something to it having some particular properties that could align. but I don't really know that other than naming it the same thing I don't know if that's like super conclusive in that direction

but you know remember too this is still all anecdotal right right it's not like he left with with a bunch of evidence exactly I mean if he really if he just had a piece of 115 maybe he does maybe one day does show up to some

lab with it, but that also could be the nail in the coffin for him because he's probably not supposed to have that. Yeah, I think he's played by most of the rules. It's one of the saving graces. Yeah. Like he didn't take any out, he doesn't name names, except for his lab partner.

Barry? I think so, yeah. Bob. A couple of bobs. They were all just Bob. Bob one, Bob three. I wonder if other countries have these programs, China.

No doubt. Well, he talked about the hearing about the Russians were there before he got there. And then some discovery was made and they kicked the Russians out. So they figured out something cool. But I think that they'd probably been locked for a while with no forward movement.

So they brought some Russians in to kind of collab because, you know, they were stuck and they needed to figure something out and probably also wanted to know all the Russians knew. Because they knew that if one country was getting too far ahead, they were in trouble. And, yeah, so I think the Russians got some. Maybe many countries have some. I can imagine. China's a huge area. Oh, yeah. Geographically. So they've probably got some. And they have access to go get stuff from other places. So they're probably zipping around picking up artifacts. They have a huge

influence over there. Right. And Brazil has a huge number of sightings and landings and interactions with creatures or aliens. It was. Supposedly, we went down and grabbed some stuff from down there. Got their stuff. Yeah, we got some creatures from down there once. In the 90s.

1941, Roswell, New Mexico. Yeah, that's pretty lucky for us, right there. And I think a lot of this stuff happens in the southwest of the United States. A lot of these Because there's huge expanses of desert That you can just make a base And no one's ever gonna know what's there That's why it's I mean

So New Mexico has in Los Alamos Labs is right there A lot of innovation Reverse engineering probably happened down there Yeah So people are tinker in a way And it's probably terrifying to think Who can get that done the fastest You know and this also brings up

It's like the arms race seems now like who who gets the furthest with AI is going to win some race. Like that's the big concern. Now is that because the race with these

UAPs has just stalled out? I mean, how long have we had them now? 75 years and longer. And basically what? We just were like, well, we've kind of got somewhere but we're really not able to build

figure out anything more. So we're not too worried about another country making a big leap forward. It's probably everyone's stalled. Is that you're saying? I don't know. I mean, it seems like we'd be more concerned

about it. Maybe they are. I mean, they're not telling us what they're up to with that stuff. But, you know, they make it seem like the big threat is AI and whoever figures out AI the fastest. Our government and all governments

have to have big threats to keep us worried about something. But maybe that's the big equation they're trying to figure out. They make the AI smarter enough to then go and figure out how these freaking ships work. Yeah. That's all they do. They just get them smart enough and then go, right, here's all the data on these crafts, figure out how they work so we can build a hundred of them. And then it goes, there you go.

Yeah. There's your army. now you're invincible now you can just delete money and be on the blockchain and literally plug us in like the batteries and the matrix oh yay

fine but just put me back into 50s whenever you put me in asleep put that little box the 50s please you know it wouldn't be so bad I'm kind of into it now if as long as

the simulation was sweet just make it dope just make it really good for everyone free strip club everyone's doing pretty good everyone likes their job everyone has a fun time

maybe like everyone has a pretty good podcast right with a million viewers imagine if everyone got to go to work and did a really good podcast and then they had a ton of downloads because no one really knows

who your downloads are you don't meet your audience So it's just like a fabricated number on a screen. So everybody has their own massive audience. It's a huge satisfaction level. Huge satisfaction level. Solid bank account because you're just getting paid from your big audience. And then everyone's just going about their day thinking they're great podcasters coming up with content.

Sounds like my life. Except for the bank account. But really, we're just in a squishy tank. Tubes and robots. Tubes and robots. It's always back to tubes in their butt with the U.P. I say it every day. Come on now.

All right. Well, we're eight minutes away from potential War II. So we're going to tune into that. But I hope you enjoyed this episode. And if you haven't watched the documentary as to go out and buy it because it's only 20 bucks. And we should support Bob and the whole and that guy. And the whole UFO. thing because it's exciting times and it's a lot of fun and it was really cool to watch so what a time

and as an episode goes it was great to have him back it was cool to see him get um a little bit too drunk to be honest they have to pee like 15 times that he kept blaming on his prostate well that could be true just hilarious that joe would get him too drunk to where he could barely pull sentences together. Why not? It's so perfect that that would happen on a Rogan podcast that it just makes all the sense in the world. It's hilarious. It's like Joe stops drinking for how long and then he's like, ah, fuck it. Let's get a hammock. Let's get whiskey's with Lazare. Let's get him trash. I'll drink to that. Anyway, that's it for us. We love you guys. Talk to you next time.