Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 522 JRE Review of The Psychedelic's Act

Episode Date: April 21, 2026

Joe Rogan steps into the White House as President Trump signs a groundbreaking executive order accelerating psychedelic therapy research in the U.S. In this special episode, we break down what the "psychedelics act" actually does, how substances like psilocybin and ibogaine could reshape mental health treatment, and why this moment represents a major shift in both culture and policy. From PTSD and addiction to the future of therapy, this is a conversation that could impact millions. Thanks to this weeks sponsors: Go to HIMS dot com slash JRER for your personalized ED treatment options! Go to RocketMoney.com/JRER to help monitor your spending, find and cancel unwanted subscriptions. For more Rogan exclusives support us on Patreon patreon.com/JREReview www.JREreview.com For all marketing questions and inquiries: [e-mail] Please email us here with any suggestions, comments and questions for future shows.. [e-mail]

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What a bizarre thing we've created. Now with your host, Adam Thorn. This might either be the worst podcast or the best one all the time. one go enjoy the show hey guys and welcome to a special episode of the joe rogan experience review we thought this week while there wasn't a huge selection to review from so i thought what would be maybe a little more interesting is to talk about rogan's recent appearance at the white house so you know this is one of those moments where podcast culture actually bleeds into policy Go Rogan, the biggest podcast in the world, standing in the Oval Office, while the president

signs an executive order that could fundamentally change mental health treatment in America. That's not normal. I'll tell you that much. That's influence. And I guess it all started with a text message. Text in Donnie. From old Donnie? Yeah.

He's like, hey, Donnie. You should probably do this. I think Rogan's the most influential influencer of all time. Obviously, right? I mean, that's quite a lot of fucking influence for sure. I mean, what's double-edged sword? It's because it's such a good thing for mental health, potentially. It's huge.

But also, you're like, he's in Trump's office. You know, we have these like mixed feelings about this. Right. But, you know, I don't care who signs this. Win's a win. In the law. You know? It's fascinating.

So there he was. if you haven't seen this, I will put a link in the bio to the little press conference they did. It was like 30 minutes long. Rogan even speaks, chats about how it all came together and why it's important. And, you know, you've got Trump there. You got RFK. You've got Dr. Oz. Mehmet Oz.

I guess that's his first name. Turkish. And, okay. And, yeah, FDA leaders. And there were veterans there, Marcus Luttrell. and you know, his brother, I guess as a congressman now.

Whose brother? Marcus the Trell. Okay. Oh, okay. He's from that lone survivor movie. Well, he's not from the movie, but he's the real Navy SEAL. Oh, yeah, guy.

Then they made, what was that, Mark Wahlberg? Good movie. Yeah. Should have got a bigger guy. Was this guy he, the guy's huge.

Yeah, he towered over. And it's just, you know, it's like sticking Tom Cruise in for Reacher. He's just like, no, The TV reacher guys way better. And then he beats his neighbors up when they push him off a motorcycle. So he's cool.

He is cool. One of us. He's a peptide, bro. Definitely on the peps. Guy's huge. He was big anyway. I don't know. I like him, actually.

But yeah, Rogan stood behind Trump. He briefly spoke during the signing. And, you know, they talked about a bunch of different things that this is going to lead to. And, you know, what's interesting about it, I mean, for anybody that's been following the, you know, Rogan space and what his podcast is about, I mean, he's always been an advocate for mushrooms, for one, and lent into the therapeutic end of it and the values of that. Internal discovery. And I think that a lot of what made this discussion happen is not even so much the text message from him to Trump, which obviously was like the catalyst of this. But it's the fact that when Trump turned to his team and was like, well, what do you guys think about this? Because he didn't seem to really have much of an opinion on it or really know.

There's a lot of stigma around these sorts of things. But it got to RFK and it got to the rest of him. Obviously, Joe knows RFK. and boom they were like yeah this is good this works and

you know I don't it's hard to equate like what is Rogan's impact overall through the pod and bringing this message to light but

I guarantee it's a big one in shifting just the general public's understanding and position on what psychedelics are about yeah which one is which ones is he's going to be focusing

on? Or what is this? Is it for every one of them? Well, I think the ones that have been seen to have therapeutic benefits. So, um, uh, ketamine is one that they do. Um, and they do ketamine therapies now. Um, I think mushrooms would be one. Ibergaine, for sure. That's a big one. Yeah, we've spoke about that. Because they are seeing that even after just one dose, it has a very high percentage of stopping people from relapsing or, you know, suffering from extreme suicidal PTSD. I love this because, you know, as a person who's just jumping into it, you might maybe even pick the wrong one to get into because, you know, not we're not all experts in LSD and mushrooms and stuff. Maybe through these research trials, we can say, oh, this guy needs this one.

He doesn't need to mess around with all the other ones that might do. some of damage, like the MDMA, for instance. Sure. And maybe they need the Ibegain. Yeah, and it's going to create, like, proper dosing and a proper, you know, professional protocol for it and systems that, you know, and more importantly, it just destigmatizes it

and gives the, you know, especially veterans that are suffering, it gives them, like, an option that's different than, here's some opioids. Right. Numb yourself and try and get on with it. Oh, now you're addicted to opioids. and that's killing you. Right.

Oh, whoops. Oh, and sorry, the fundings run out for your VA bill, so you're going to have to bite on the street. Sure. You know, and the big thing, too, it's like addictions for a lot of people. I mean, it's the definition of it. It's like you're stuck with it. It's hard to quit.

And it's really difficult to move away from some of these heavier addictions for a lot of people, and it destroys their lives. And what options do they have? They don't have a lot. You know, you can do talk therapy. You can work hard to, you know, go to A.A. And you can work hard to kind of get yourself on a better track. But it doesn't work for a lot of people.

Right. Yeah, it's hard. Obviously. Right. I wonder if this, you know, once something gets institutionalized and medicalized and then it goes to. Well, they'll fuck it up a bit too. Pharmaceutical companies got to get their. their fingers, their beak sweat, you know?

Of course. So I wonder how that will affect it. Yeah, I was actually, I interviewed a guy that does, like, a lot of guided mushroom experiences. And he works with, he is an ex-military guy. He went to, was it like the Air Force Academy, I think? And he was an officer out of there. Okay. And now he's retired and does, like, the mushroom therapy.

And he had kind of mixed feelings about it because his idea is, you know, he's been doing it this more like traditional way. He's out of Portland or Washington or somewhere. Of course. He's over there. Gotcha. Where it's like basically legal anyway. Yeah. And he, his concern is, you know, once people do step in and get their kind of grubby pharmaceutical money hands in this, it's going to cause a.

its own types of issues. But, you know, what I said to him is, however, I think it will create greater access for people, for sure. And that ultimately is the best route. True. And for myself, if I've had PTSD moments where I thought that that was for sure what I had, a lot of anxiety. I don't want to necessarily just wing it, give it a shot.

I would like someone who's like a friend, a guide, and maybe a clinical setting is better for me. Yeah, not everyone wants to go to the jungle. I'm not trying to go to the woods. I'm not trying to go to the woods. It's reasonable that somebody that's just struggling with their own addiction, a problem or PTSD, you know, wants to go to like a clean, fresh looking clinic. Western style.

And, and do it that way. I mean, you know. in a nice calm clinical setting is more inviting for me. I think for many people. Sure. Like the grandparents might be into it, but the age kind of prevents them from experimenting. This is going to be great.

I think that also this could open it up to experiences for people near end of life. Right. Like old people that are needing to process death and getting themselves to that point where they're like, you know, coming to terms of it and accepting it. And to go through kind of a mushroom experience there and just kind of, you know, I've heard anecdotally that they can be very helpful for people that are very fearful

of their kind of end of life journey. And it's like, you know, you've tried it. Yeah. You know what it does. So takes them on a bit of a journey and it's like, it's got to be okay. Right. You know. Or there might be something after this and,

Where's the fear? What's the fear from? Right. It's all simulation anyway, right? It's looking more that way. It's looking more that way. Actually, I saw something today, one of the top AI guys, and it always freaks me out when they come out with some of their own theories,

even though they're just like a tech nerd. I don't know why we're listening to him, but one of them was like, yeah, he's convinced it's a simulation, and the point of this simulation is for humans to develop a super intelligence, and then when that happens, it will switch off. And I was like, how about you keep your negative theories to yourself, sir? I think... Miserable.

Sam Walman just said, oh, yeah, we're trying to create Stargates. We're trying to directly communicate with otherworldly beings. Yeah. He said that. Why? What are you trying to do? Leave them alone. Leave them alone.

If they wanted to talk to us, they come find us. They know where we are. It's just going to be like knocking at the day. door and bugging the hell out of them. Now we're here for all your water. Go away. We're going to take your water. Yeah.

Give us your gold. But yeah, I think there's going to be some, you know, like amazing things that are going to come out of it. So it's mainly focused on, so the, let me read this. Executive Order. It's called the Psychedelics Act. Great name. I'm surprised it's not called the Freedom. Psychedelic Act.

Of course. The Eagle Talons. Yeah. But it's going to be fast-tracked through the FDA for approval, which is great because that shit can take forever. It's going to focus on psilocybin, MDMA, which again is really good for people with PTSD. Yeah, marital issues. Yep, they can reframe their negative association with that memory and see it in a different light and add meaning to it and just kind of, you know. trip balls and then rave a little bit

I was in the same some glow sticks maybe a dark side of the moon listen party yeah a lot of touching a lot of hugging feeling around LSD is on there

which is interesting I don't know what the therapeutic benefits of that one will be but here's the thing with the research they can look into it and see if there are any

yeah it's time for it that's the point they could just give it a shot and just be like how you feeling feeling any better this was this was this was

We are now where we could have been in the 70s. Oh, yeah, we've lost like 50 plus years. They. Was it Richard Nixon? Was it Nixon or Barbara Bush? No, it was Nixon and Rogan even brings it up during the, during the thing. A bit of a bash on Nixon. He's an easy one to bash on.

Well, he's dead. And, you know, Watergate. He's a big punching bag. Nobody minds. Watergate, the mildest controversy of all the time. I know, right. Hit a couple of files. They're like, no.

Get him out. Conspiracies. Not to mention. Someone's making billions on this. That's just the only way it works. So there we go. There's going to be some money behind it for sure. Another thing that Trump did talk about during this is the price of medications coming down dramatically.

You know, in his first term, he said he was proud to even get him down like a few dollars or cents or percentages, like small amounts. And he said that was hard. There's a lot of pushback. Nobody wanted that to happen. you know, people are making a lot of money. And now he's come in and he's like, no, we're making it the cheapest of any other country or we're at least matching it. I mean, Mexico's got some great prices. Yeah, but, you know, he's bringing him down a lot.

Which is great. Yes, the prices change across the whole world, but they're all made in the same place. And they're just bumped up to what they think they can make. Well, that's what Trump talks about that. He talks about his rich buddy, who he actually calls fat. He calls him fat and says he's still. or fat. He goes, I won't say his name. Not like the whole world is going to watch

this and figure out who the hell you're talking about. But he said his rich buddy points at him. Well, he goes, he's on the fat drug, is what he says. Look, think what you want about that guy is sometimes he is funny. Well, that is just the end of it. Most dementia patients are.

But he just goes, yeah, he's on the fat drug. He goes, it wasn't working very well. But he gets to London and he calls me up and He's like, why is this pill $1,300 in New York or this injection or whatever it is? And he goes, it's like $80 in England. He goes, can you sort that out?

And Trump was like, I don't think I can. I don't think there's a way. And anyway, bringing down those prices. I mean, you know, it's so great to hear that. There's so many people out there that are not only sick and need this medication, whatever the medication is, but because of their illness, they can't like work a lot maybe and therefore pay for these things self-advocating is so tough sometimes yeah when you're in a dump and you know whatever the conspiracy is to why this is going through

even if there is like that dark money-making side it's like whatever like nothing is perfect and all government politician stuff is gross half the time anyway but yeah actually do something for some people. Lower the prices. And then the last big one, which we talked about already that they're working on, Ibergain. Ibegain.

Which is just going to be huge. A friend of mine, our mutual friend, Aaron, he is with a bunch of ex-special Forces guys because he's ex-Green Beret. They're going down to Mexico to do Ibergain.

Oh, wow. So I can't wait to talk to him when he gets back. Maybe you should have him on. Yeah. he's going to need some time to kind of integrate it all on process. But I told him, take some notes way down there, get a little journal. He's going to have wristbands when he comes back,

little bracelets and nose ring. Talking about his chakras. I got you. But I'm really keen to hear what the experience would be like firsthand and just kind of interview him through it. I mean, you know, it's stuff like that and podcast interviews that have really brought a lot of this to light. and destigmatized a ton of it.

There was also the Netflix documentary, I forget what it's called, something, The Wind or, it's about these military guys and doing Ibegain and all the benefits that they've got from it. So, you know, people are hearing about it. Yeah.

Thank goodness. Yeah, fantastic. I mean, just think of the potential benefits for these poor souls that are just stuck. We all know anecdotally, but hopefully this will lead to some clear-cut data. that we can go to. Yeah, I mean, there's going to be some breakthrough treatments for sure.

And, you know, I saw a post earlier. It was great. This guy jumps on and he goes, 174,000 people died last year because of psilocybin mushrooms. And then he's like shaking his head like, oh, that's not good. He goes, oh, wait, no, no, that was alcohol. Uh-huh. That was alcohol.

Zero people died from mushrooms. Just the way he put it together. It's like, I'm sat there watching like, Wait, that can't be true. Why? And, oh, he got me. He got me. It's a good one.

It's a good one. It's a good one. Yeah. And, you know, we hear this. And still, that hasn't been enough for 50 years for anyone to be like, no, it's fine. It's safe. You can do it. Yeah.

Well, we've all done it for years. We're like, hold on a second. This thing that doesn't kill you at all. And now they're finding, like, can help you cure all types of depressions and anxieties potentially. And all. It also is like regrowing... Neuropathways. Neuropathways and making your brain function better.

Huh. And it's like, yeah, we've made that illegal. No, we want the alcohol that dulls your senses, creases your depression, melts your brain. I mean, it's delicious. I could go for a pint. There you go. We have a, wherever one now. Maybe we'll have one after. I mean, it's hard to do a podcast on Allie again, but a couple of a bruise.

though Rogan did a great podcast once with Post Malone where they were both on mushrooms and did quite a lot I think And yeah it was three hours They get squiggly Yeah they did all right

They kept it together You know they're pros They are probably They're pros You know Posty could be that shit I think I'd struggle You don't have face tats like that Unless you could do a hero's dose

He knows what he's doing and yeah but it is easier to stick to a couple of bruise but again you know they're killing people yeah it's really bad and there's no it's not like all the research in the world can go into alcohol they're not finding any

fucking therapeutic benefits for it yes it sterilizes your skin and surfaces maybe your liver too and yeah once it's inside your body it's generally not a benefit at all makes you tired

Yeah, I think psilocybin has like physiological benefits, like blood flow, like incredible blood flow. Yeah, who is that guy, the weirdo billionaire that's always trying to stay? Ryan Johnson. Yes. He recently has been delving into it because he's always doing his own research to see like what can make you younger and live longer. And he said there's almost nothing that in his protocol that reset. his like, I think it was like insulin resistance and a few other biomarkers in the way that

mushrooms do and they aren't quite sure how it does it. It like basically does like a mind and body reset. We've known for a while it does like a bit of a mind reset, you know? It just kind of cleans out things. But the fact that it's doing it also for the body, it's like, wait a second. This is like a super nutrient too, almost like a requirement for people to do it if you want to stay healthy. A requirement. I like that. Like it's a human requirement for higher functioning. Yeah. Like every six months, you should delve into it. And there should be programs available. You just go to a place. You're like, oh, honey, I've got my biannual mushroom experience. I got to go over to the go over to the center. And then, you know, where's my shirt? Where's my tight ice shirt?

A bunch of beanbags and black lights. Have you seen my sandals? You just get into it. It sounds great to me. I mean, maybe. You have to bring your own crystals in this scenario. So there's a $50 million funding push. It doesn't sound like a lot.

Not a lot. No. It's like Rogan could afford that. Yeah, he's like, oh, his left pocket. That's all you can get? $50 million? How much is one big bomb? Like $3 million, maybe?

Okay. So... Yeah. Yeah. Let's make a few less bombs. Maybe that's enough. Maybe that's the budget they need for right now. So you're saying they're cheap. These drugs are cheap, buddy.

Yeah, you just need some like cow shit and a dark room and grow a bunch of mushrooms. A pale hippie. I don't think it's much to... It's not very expensive to synthesize most of this. They try to grow by themselves, you know? LSD is a little tougher because you have... The ergot precursors are hard to isolate, I believe. Is that right?

Yeah, it's derived from wheat or rye, a rye disease, a fungus that occurs on rye. Okay. Ergot poisoning, you've probably heard of that. Yeah, yeah. The Salem witch trials is a theory. Probably. Maybe all over the, into the place where wheat grows, there's whole towns that may have been poisoned by ergot. Yeah.

They're finding witches. laughing sicknesses and all kinds of weird stuff. But anyways, it turned out to be a hell of a drug. Yep. A precursor. There we go. And then there's also the right to try access, which is something that Trump spoke about, which means that if there's like, so some patients, especially terminal or severe cases,

can access experimental psychedelic treatment. So a big part of it was how Trump was able to kind of get this past is it takes all the liability out. So the patient can't sue anybody, but they get early access to medications that I guess aren't available or potentially have even passed like the FDA stuff because of the slow rate. But they don't have to wait. And if that's their last resort, you know, chance, then it's like, hey, sign that paper. And, you know, we get you on some stuff. Take accountability for your health.

I like that. Yeah. I think it's great because otherwise you're just waiting around, you know. Imagine they're like, you got two months of. live but this doesn't pass until October. But you have it, though. Yeah, we can't give it to you. We're just going to hold on to it because it could be bad for you. But I'm going to die anyway.

Well, we're not allowed. Have you thought about assisted suicide? Yeah. Canada. Canada stuff. Dude, the fact that they talked about some kid up in Canada that was like depressed, younger kid that was depressed and then they allowed him to do assisted suicide. I mean, don't give him. wrong. Some depression is like

brutal. Terrible. It's massively debilitating. A 24 year old there's a lot of things you can do to intervene. Right. Make him happier. That's not a singular occurrence that's happening. And 90% of them are of one demographic. I wonder what that

is. And it's just it's credible the slippery slope that's going on up there. We have to fast track some life-saving medication. Yeah. Instead of fast-track euthanasia. Yeah, that's not an answer. that should be, it shouldn't be on the top of the list.

I've got a bum knee, I'd like surgery. Well, you have this pamphlet that you can read. Or this hammer. You could do it yourself with this hammer. I don't know.

I don't know what's happening up that. And a big part of the bill obviously is veteran-focused initiative, so a heavy emphasis on PTSD and suicide prevention. So over 14 million Americans have serious mental illness and that was cited in the framing of this policy and it's that's a lot of fucking people

14 million have serious mental illness this isn't like feeling a bit sad and they're all systemic it's not or holistic they're it's not just from one thing it's from your life sure and what's what better way to do that but maybe a natural path that the earth has provided exactly yeah and I mean look Why is this such a big deal, right? And it's simple. It's because the current system is not working, right? And SSRIs, talk therapy, you know, along timelines for like the whole process. They even quoted that the SSRIs are working for like 20% of people.

That's not enough. This is like 80% of people not getting. Even Trump on there was like, what? Really? So how good are the psychedelics? And they're like, we think it's like 80, 90% cure. It's like the inverse. Right.

And he's like, oh, man, can you get me some of that? How do I get some of that? Because he's, like, making the joke that, like, he's depressed all the time. We need to get him on some shit. I would love to believe that at the end of this, Rogan pulled them aside and went, just for me, could you do three grams? A couple of grams, buddy. Give it a show. Wash it down with Diet Coke.

Coke and a Big Mac Come on, let's see what's going on. And hang out. A weird like post-trip version of Trump would be one I want to see. Imagine if he's like

is he so like direct on like the way he thinks. It's like this is correct. That's how we're doing it. This is how I believe for that to shift and him still have that kind of passion.

Yeah. He's like a me. like, no, everyone does this. It's mandatory. I'm signing it into law. Wars are over. Like, he just, like, forces every. Wars canceled with decommissioning the military. Just a bunch of insane and, like, peaceful resolutions.

Well, he would look good with a few hippie bracelets on. It would be hilarious. Hinklets. Hippie Trump. He's got a bongo and kind of like a pipe of something. And then, you know, the big thing also is the highlight rate of relapse with all of these types of medications and that type of thing. I mean, it's hard enough to get people sometimes on an SSRI or into therapy or into the work that it takes to kind of get them going in the right direction. Got you.

Life's coming out of them all the time. Already they don't feel great about themselves and it's hard to motivate. So the relapse rate is massive. And then that repeats and it keeps going and it's over and over. So bringing that down, like a huge number, would be unbelievable. And it's one dose. Or one of the Ibergain for sure. Or one like maybe mushroom treatment month.

And then you're kind of cured for a while. From what I've heard anecdotally. Well, yeah, Ibergain. It specifically targets addictions. So that works really well for opioids and alcohol, because some of the big ones that are killers, obviously. PTSD reduction, you know, high rates of that, especially on your second dose.

It's just hard to get people to do the second dose because I guess the first one's like, takes you on a journey you don't want to go back to. But luckily that puts you in the 80% range of kind of, dare I say, cured. Yeah, just depression is a big one. for ibegain i mean and that's huge because there are like as a therapist i know this you can work with people and help change their mindset and their attitude and the things in their lives improve so

that depression symptoms uh reduce but there's still a huge number of people out there that um even with all of that type of work it's just seems to be like really built into them and um you know it's just brutal for them to have to struggle through that. Mindset goes a long way. Reframing our mind is the fastest way to change your life. Yeah, you heard something the other day that I really liked, and it was like, imagine a big ski hill, right? This is like your mind.

And over time, people are skiing down or sledding, and they're making these tracks, these grooves. And over time, it gets to a point where when you go down that same hill, you can only go into these grooves because they've all been cut in this way and now you're stuck. And that's the idea. It's like stuck in these grooves of thinking and depression. But then you do these treatments and these types of psychedelic treatments. It's like a fresh snowfall. So all the tracks are gone. And now you can recarve like a new path. And I like that. That is nice. It's a cool analogy for like what it could be doing. A fresh.

snowfall and you're like ah I don't have to associate my life with all these past events that have been traumatizing me making me feel like shit I don't have to go to the gas station right now and pick up a 12 pack or go behind the gas station and buy some fentanyl right this is my ski hill yeah to choose a new direction you go keep going up I'm going hiking yeah take your skis off just have a walk going hiking so yeah And why Rogan has pushed this and been a long-time advocate of many of these things. I mean, psilocybin, DMT, really like consciousness, exploration. I don't know how DMT could play in this.

But again, if the research opens up and then they have, you know, full approval to kind of explore that angle, then they can find out what the – it's like they're actively – instead of just actively trying to ban all of these and not put any research in and stigmatize everything. It's like, hey, the door's open. Let's try some of this stuff. Let's see how it affects people. And, you know, try it for different types of mental illness and addiction and the rest of it and see what happens on the other side. And this is just the United States, right?

Yeah. Who is anybody else in the world doing this? Not really. The rest of the world, I think, is going to start to follow quite quickly with. this. I mean, the experts have got to be in another country right now. You know, the experts in the, the ayahuasca, that would be South America or Mexico. We need to start thinking about outside the box with these things. Right. But I mean, you know, America will lead the way. Yeah. And I'm sure Europe will follow quickly once they start seeing these results. And they can,

you know, go off our research, too. So it's not even like they need to reinvent the wheel with it. I'm sure Sweden's done, for us to do it. They've, they've done some studies on I think we've studied all these drugs at one point. No doubt. Yeah. Some places have ideas for sure. And I'm sure they, different countries are using it in a similar way.

Like you can probably find places to do therapies. And I'm sure you can do the ketamine therapies in different places in Europe too. But again, a lot of these drugs are just heavily banned. Yeah. And they have not opened it up. I wonder what made ketamine so readily. accepted by the medical community.

Yeah, I'm not sure how that one got in. I mean, I think it's quite available anyway because, you know, it's like a horse tranquilizer and it's used in medicine for a bunch of different things. It's used every day in every hospital. Right. So they already had a lot of access to it. And then, you know, I guess maybe because of legality stuff,

it's like, yeah, well, there's already a path, a legal path, so we just change some of the wording and move it over to therapy. Whereas something like psilocybin or MDMA, it's like they're not using that for any medical stuff in hospitals. So it's not available. There's no process. There's been no research behind it.

Like if they're giving ketamine to patients for surgeries or whatever they use it for, they've done a bunch of research to make sure it's safe. Right. They have good suppliers. They have purity. They know how to dose it. And now it's just like, changing lanes a little bit over to therapy i wonder if there's a difference then i'm excited for

these studies from like isolated psilocybin to eating them eating the plant or eating the fungus i wonder if there's other things in that the the mushroom that are part of that medicine yeah i mean they're gonna find that out when they start um just kind of extracting it in different ways to put it in whatever they do, pill form or... Intravenous or something. Yeah, once they kind of mess with it. And... It's exciting.

Yeah. There's a version of LSD that they have synthesized where they add like another molecule to it. So it's like a three molecule setup or something is like on one of the active ends. And they found a way to add like another molecule on. I'm not doing this justice because I wasn't paying much attention.

He's waving his head around. everybody. Hey, I'm doing sign language. But supposedly what it does is it takes away the hallucinogenic properties of it, but it still has profound effects on the system, the individual taking it. And it's, so that's another angle to take too, which is like slowly manipulating some of these compounds and seeing what else they can figure out from it. This is such an exciting thing and such a rare good news.

Yeah, it's huge. And it was Joe Rogan messaging him. So much so they were like, Joe, stand behind me in this press conference, which when I saw the picture and I sent it to a few people, they immediately wrote back to me, AI bullshit. They just said that. And I was like, I know, it doesn't make sense. It doesn't look real, but I'm watching the press conference right now. You know, it's pretty, I mean, Joe Rogan's a lethal weapon, really. He's right behind the president. Yeah. They made a mistake. He could have took it. come out at any moment. They checked it. They patted him down. I mean, his arms, he could just put him to sleep. Put him to sleep. You're naked. I mean, if you lock in, there's nobody going to save him. Like, you can't pry someone's arms off like that. There's secret service in that room. They'd shoot him dead, wouldn't they? He'd be dead. He wouldn't be able to do it. I wonder how quickly you could take him. Let's not go down that

route. Okay, fine. It's a fun one. But, yeah. Yeah. And it was cool to hear some of the, um, not that I want that for anybody. The military guys in there. like giving their anecdotal stories just like how it's helped them, how it saved their relationship, how it saved their life from suicide. And it was a really like open little chat in that room. Everybody was just getting a chance to talk. In fact, one of the doctors on Rogan's right that had something to say was like interrupted. And Rogan just stepped in and went, oh, no, no, she has something to say, let her finish.

Like he just wanted to get every Every bit out of everybody I was like oh dude If there's one thing we can all agree on Rogan does talk to everybody Yeah He'll let you have some words Yeah

In a good way I mean he knows how to have Good conversations Like let's be honest That's what he does So he's in there They brought him there He wasn't shy

It wasn't like yeah I'm at the White House But it's still Rogan He's still just gonna chat away And just say what he says I wonder if he thought he'd be there When he was having people bull testicles back in the early 2000s the fear factor guy brings psychedelics the I mean yeah it is

kind of I think he's fully aware of how ridiculous he's exactly he's probably on the it's all a simulation he's like this is my life no doubt this is weird it's probably hard to persuade him that that it's real life with his life oh my gosh he's just like what what am i doing selling out entire stadiums for my stand-up and then hundreds of millions of people listen to me, ramble on about Bigfoot and God knows what else he's talking about. Get blown away by some mediocre fact because he's so high. Oh, my God. So let's go to our sponsor, perplexity.

Put that in perplexity. Yeah, he loves it. I still want to know how much he gets paid every time he says that. I'm going to say eight grand. They should edit in a chiching sound. Oh, yeah. Every time he said ching. Perplexity.

Thank you for putting that in. I mean, yeah, this is fascinating. And I just wanted to do this episode because it's just kind of groundbreaking. And it's like, why not talk about the impact? That's good news. I feel like every now and again, we should do episodes where we just kind of circle back and discuss the, like, positive impacts that things around the podcast and Rogan have, you know, what's come of it. Right. you know, because it doesn't always happen,

but he's making an impact almost all the time. Yeah. I mean, hard to fall a guy for wanting to make the world better, and that's what I see out of him. Yeah. Quite a bit. And, you know, you can give him a hard time,

be like, well, why did you have Trump on? He won the election. I'm like, he was going to have Kamala on. They even spoke about it at the beginning of the press conference. He invited her. Trump brought it up, and he was like, yeah, and he had me on the podcast, and that was great, and he goes,

and Kamala didn't go on. I don't know why. Maybe you can ask Joe. he's just like rambling like he does. He needs to get on some, some peptides. Trump? Yeah.

Yeah. He needs some thinking ones. Yeah. Some empathy ones. The empathy, drugs would be good. I don't know what that. Maybe some of the psychedelic research. And BMA.

We get him on him. Him and all the generals. But, uh, oh, I saw some thing recently where he, like, supposedly Trump was asking for, the new codes. And one of the generals had to stand up and be like, no.

Like, actually tell him he can't have them or something. I don't know how legit all of that is. But. Yeah. That's nuts. I think sometimes some of these guys are like, all right, that's enough. Just stop. We got to have that. Yeah, you're not allowed to.

We need a second opinion on this one. Give him a Diet Coke. You can't really. Come back guy down. Get my guy. Pull past the red button and get the Diet Coke in here. Yeah. Anyway, very cool. Check out the press conference. And for those of you that are, you know, actually in a space where this type of medication and treatments could be beneficial for you, then, you know, keep an eye out because they're going to be coming your way. And hold on. There's hope. These things work. And they're going to be available sooner than you think. And it's really very cool. I think, our

RFK said they might be able to push it. Or the FDA guy was like, yeah, we might be able to get it through in like a couple of months or something. Like knocking off like six months to a year of the time by getting it through quickly. Cutting the red tape. Yeah. And that is just, it's just phenomenal. It just is, what a weird time to exist. It's so strange.

It's incredible and terrifying. All at the same time. Every day. And the AI will destroy us. but enjoy that i hope you guys did and uh yeah thanks so much for listening and all the best love you guys later