Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 529 JRE Review of David Paulides

Episode Date: June 2, 2026

Joe Rogan sits down with David Paulides for another deep dive into missing persons cases, unexplained disappearances, national park mysteries, and the strange stories that continue to fascinate millions. This episode explores wilderness survival, human psychology, mysterious cases, and the question that keeps people coming back: are these stories misunderstood, or is something stranger happening? A breakdown of the biggest topics, wildest moments, and key takeaways from one of Rogan's most mysterious conversations. This weeks sponsors:  Rocket Money: Go to RocketMoney.com/JRER to cancel unwanted subscriptions, monitor your spending, lower your bills, and grow your savings. Hims: Go to Hims.com/JRER for simple online access to personalized, affordable care for ED, hair loss, weight loss, and more. For fee-free banking go to Chime.com/JRER   SUPPORT OUR SHOW! Head to our Patreon Check out our website at www.jrereview.com For all marketing questions and inquiries: [e-mail] Please email us here with any suggestions, comments and questions for future shows.. [e-mail]

Hey guys, welcome to the Joe Rogan Experience Review, joined today by Sean, and we are reviewing David. Is it Politis? How do you say his last name? David? Um. Polides. The Bigfoot UFO, Wilderness, Missing Person guy. This was cool. I saw. This, this to me was like old school, Rogan. at his best, you know, but there, and there's kind of, is, goofy is a lot of the stuff they were talking about. There's like a, a serious, I don't want to say serious element, but like a legitimate element too, you know, this isn't just some research, a wacko, you know, YouTuber that believes in Bigfoot. I mean, this is a guy that, you know, started investigating missing people and it kind of led him down this rabbit hole. Yeah, and I think just like based on the amount of experience that he's had and a lot of

like the most, in my opinion, the most convincing UFO thing was always the Bob Lazar stuff because it's just like he's been saying the same thing for decades. Like the same story, it's always the same. And like that that usually is not how people lie. And I kind of feel the same way about some of these things where it's like, you know, he's talking to all of these, he's investigating all of these missing person files and talking to relatives and really doing a lot of the investigatory work. And a lot of the things are just like complete mysteries. Like they have no earthly idea. A lot of them consistently feel like really fishy.

Yeah, and you've got to assume that with his experience starting out with, you know, was he a cop originally? He was, right? Yeah, so it was like a cop. So, you know, he knows how to investigate. He knows what, you know, crimes often have very similar patterns. And then all of a sudden he's finding these things. pattern-wise that are like way different than he's seen before stuff's not lining up and not only that when he tries to investigate more and by that i mean you know pool files freedom of

information act like get get all cases sent to him he's just getting this like unusual stone wall where they just won't give it to him and i mean if that doesn't make you think you You know, anytime you get pushback or resistance, especially aggressively, it really does make you think something's going on. Yeah, I mean, especially, you know, some of these cases are, you know, he was talking about one of them he wanted to pull was like 40 years old. Right. And he's like battling. He's like battling with this other guy and the agency. And he won't give him the case.

And he's like, why do you want it? And he's like, it's 40 years old. Why do you want it? And, yeah, it just doesn't make sense. Like if no one's investigating it, if most of the people that did investigate it or dead are already retired, like what harm is it? It's just it makes, it smells of a cover up of some sort.

Sure. And if it was just one time, I would believe Joe Zango, where he basically said, well, you know, but also it may just be people not wanting to do their job. You know, oh, great. I've got to like fill out phone. now and go find this thing and send it to you and all the rest of it. But it seems like this was, you know, somewhat a common occurrence.

Yeah. I tell you what, though, I'm listening to this podcast and they're talking about the people that go missing and all this. And they're like, oh, it's usually like deep in the backwoods, you know, like national parks, hikers, things like that. I'm like, man, I do all of this stuff. I'm so nervous now. I like they're like yeah he was like a photographer he was like setting up this landscape shot and then they never saw him again and like yeah i don't know i just describing you on the weekends yeah yeah i'm like oh jeez man i'm terrified now well he did say i've never seen anything when i've been out i've been like pretty deep like there would there was many opportunities to abduct me i'll just say that i've never seen anything when i've been out i've been like pretty deep like there would there was many opportunities to abduct me i'll just say that i've never i've never

I've never been abducted. You're a useless specimen, dude. Nobody wants you. Probably. Like, yeah, boring. Probably. You're too tall. You wouldn't fit in the spacecraft.

That's true. Well, he did say that it's injured when he was like, this never happens to people. Like, it's never like two people go missing. It's always one. Right? And he kind of, he kind of positioned that as you know either you need to be in twos

or that was like the unique part of the story but to be fair if somebody just like fell down a hole or fell in a river then and they're alone then you know you're way more likely to be fucked than if you're with somebody else who can be like yeah yeah just come pull you out right yeah Well, and also the thing too, like they were, you know, you could say, oh, well, maybe it's, you know, animals they get them.

But then, like, what about all the clothing or, like, people bring a lot of stuff with them? Like, that's a lot of work to just, like, an animal is, there's going to be some trace of you if an animal gets to you. But, like, there was a couple of ones where, like, they were saying that, um, the, like, places that they, the locations that they were found made no sense relative. to where they were at previously. Like one of them was a lady was so far away from the cliff edge that they said she had to have been, quote, launched from the top of the cliff to land where she was because she was just so far away from the cliff. Like that, how does that happen?

You know? Yeah. That's very weird. Right. And I think the weird. the weirdest part of it all is just this and I guess this is a lot of his framing but let's be honest he's he's also investigating this stuff but

not just the cover up but like the lack of information it's almost like they don't want to make a big deal about the people that go missing out there and if you think about it I guess you could say well all right well that's just you know the parks people and you know all the Wilderness Association is just being like, well, we don't want to scare everybody off from these, like, beautiful areas. But, you know, if you go hunting, you've got to take courses for it, you know, gun safety and bow and, like, how to identify animals. And, you know, you go into their, you know, camping areas. They always have signs about how to light fires and how to dispose

are you trash properly so the bears or your food so the bears don't come get you. It's not like they aren't full of warning signs. Yeah. Whatever reason they're just trying to not make a big deal about this stuff happening to people.

And he's saying that these numbers are high. Obviously tons of people go out into the wild like you're saying you do. We know a bunch of people in Montana that always just, you know, go deep out there. hunting and camping and hiking the rest of it but i don't know it's it seems it seems unusual

that they wouldn't make a big deal about the potential dangers yeah or at least you know let people investigate is you know that's the thing is like you know maybe you don't have to advertise what's going on but at least let people try and get to the truth but i mean even uh like close through where we are, we have like the crazy mountains, which are, I think, also pretty notorious for a lot of missing person cases

for, you know, various reasons. I haven't hiked out there yet. I'm honestly pretty nervous about doing that. I don't know if I would do that by myself, but, yeah, I mean, it does happen. And I think it's, I think there's a lot of,

there could be a lot of, lot of possibilities of why someone would like go missing or like what it could be one of the things they were talking about at the end of the podcast which i found kind of funny was there was one of the cases where the dude was like um apparently an ex-military guy and he spoke all these different languages and um worked for a couple of different countries Israel being one of them funny enough, but if something feels off in the bedroom, a lot of guys will blame stress,

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Like, I think that, I could totally see that happening. I mean, that is the way to do it. That would be a great cover for a special agent. Yeah. And I guess they, and they kind of brushed over this with the missing scientists. I guess he felt like not that many have gone missing and it wasn't that odd or strange for him. But also, it seemed like, that maybe with those scientists that are going missing,

like, you know, okay, so they know something potentially. That's kind of like the conspiracy theory. And they're either going to tell people or, you know, their information just needs to be squashed. But since they are high value themselves, it kind of makes sense that you would just want to keep them somewhere else and have their info, right? So,

you can go missing and then hold them somewhat. Yeah, that's a scary thought. But, I mean, I could see that. The reason that's funny, actually, is that actually happens in the plot. Have you ever seen the movie Kingsman? Is it where they have, like, secret agents? Yeah, it's like a, it's a spy movie, but it also kind of is like a parody of a spy movie. But that's one of the things that the like villain does is he kidnaps all these high-ranking officials who don't like agree to go along with his plan.

But he just like kidnaps them and then contains them. I wouldn't put it past, you know, any government agency or beyond to have something like that kind of. going on. Though you've got to think resources for that must be crazy, you know, just massive. And then also if someone ever escapes, like, I guess the thing is, like if anyone escaped,

are they, are they the people that did it probably have enough power to squash their story and go get them again? Yeah, or I mean, you know, or you just put it in like Antarctica or, you know, it's literally impossible for you to escape.

You just have scientists out there, and that's why no one can go there. It's just full of scientists that have been kidnapped. People from the woods. Yeah, I mean, I think there's, yeah, there's totally, I don't know. I could totally see that happening. I mean, we totally have already in this country, like, massive supermax prisons that are impenetrable and no one can get in and out of. I bet there's some secret.

ones. Yeah. I could see that. Huh. I could see that. Yeah. I think the question is just like, you know, I think for also like, you know, there could be a lot of multiple things happening at the same time, whether it's like, you know, maybe there's some alien abductions and, you know, some, you know, like government hit things or stuff like that. But, yeah, it's always just like the questions around the missing person are just like never really answered and you're just kind of left with like a shoe or, you know, whatever.

But it just seems impossible to trace all of these. Right. Imagine if every country really just does run like North Korea. And North Korea is the only one that gets all the shit for it about kidnapping its citizens. and it's just like that's the one we pick on, yeah, we all do it. Because you see undercover video on Instagram sometimes of like life in Pyongyang or whatever the different cities are there. And it's like people just walking around, living their life, driving cars, doing some stuff. Obviously there's a bunch of rural poor areas. But, you know,

do those people know what's going on in the rest of that country? Probably not. not. Yeah. No. But yeah, I think, uh, hard enough. I think this, there's definitely a topic. You got to put your tin photo hat on. Yeah, yeah, for sure. What would you take on the dog scent thing? Like that seemed to stand out for him. Like, I don't know much about dogs tracking people, but it seems like, you know, the, um, real, like, professional. professional trackers are good. They're good at finding people. Also, dogs are.

And it was like the dogs just, in so many cases, would not even follow the scent or get distracted or not want to go that way. It was just like these unusual dead ends. Yeah. And that's really weird to me in some of these places like Yosemite, because I don't know if you've ever been there, but a lot of it is a valley and you know it's a pretty big park but like at the end of the day like it's only so big and I feel like you know it's so big but it's also like depending on

where you get lost there's only so much distance that you could be able to cover on foot in a given time so if you just like oh they went missing eight hours ago, you just kind of, you know, you make a circle like you do with every search and rescue. And it's like some of these cases, I bet you, yeah, you have dogs that can kind of sniff out your whole circle range or whatever and to not have any trace whatsoever. And then also to get back to like, you know, when you're hiking, you have like a backpack, you have things that are nylon, things that are plastic, metal, like those things don't just like disappear, you know. So it's, It's very, very strange.

Yeah, and then the kind of the stranger part was when he talked about the bodies being found in previously searched areas. Yeah, that was weird too. So that could be like maybe a kidnapping and a murder and then you like bring him back from wherever you got him from. and, you know, he said that many of the bodies have been dead for, like, so many days that they would have been there during the original search. But, you know, I guess the whole thing here just overlaps with could have been killed by someone else and just put back or just lost, you know, got lost or fell in a river and got eaten by an. animal. So the overlap is basically you've got to almost pick aside at some point and be like, is this supernatural or UFOE? Or is it just like the standard missing person type murder? Yeah, I don't know. And like I said, I think it could be multiple things at the same time.

I think each case is probably different from the last. But yeah, the one, the putting the body back is a weird one because, um, yeah, I mean, that's like, that's like something that like a psychopath would do, you know, to like, toy with someone mentally or I don't know. But, I mean, can you imagine the mind fuck of the police officers when they, they figured that out for the first time? I mean, that'd be insane. you already checked an area and then all of a sudden it's back at that area like what well first off

you would have to assume that their immediate reaction is like oh shit I need to justify this like yeah like yeah I didn't do my job I didn't search an area properly so you're on the defensive immediately before you even clear that space to take another look at it and be like hey let's invest this for for some other reason. Yeah. No, I mean, yeah.

And I mean, yeah, what are all these police officers do? I mean, you know, they're the ones investigating all these cases. Like, they must all have questions and stuff, you know? Oh, no doubt, dude. Guaranteed they're not sleeping well or night.

And I, and I would almost guarantee that they don't let their kids go into the wilderness on their own. No, not after that. What did you think of that UFO elk abduction story? That one was pretty out there. The DJ at an elk.

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But my thing is, like, you know, if you count all the missing things, like Joe asked them, you know, how many of them are, like dead versus alive? and it seems like the people who get abducted and then are left to tell the story, it seems like that's like he said that was like 25% of people. So, I mean, if you are, you're like insanely lucky to, for one, be abducted by aliens, but also not die. Like, they could just kill you. You're unlucky. Yeah, or unlucky.

You have to live with that. And no one's going to believe you unless you're like. Right. I mean, you know, often it is these individuals that have never told these types of stories before. And then when they get interviewed, you know, people get a real sense that they're somebody that tells the truth, right? They're not a wacko. And that adds a lot of legitimacy to the idea that it would, you know, that it's real. And you know, back to your point too. Yeah. how many of these people get taken up there and they aren't brought back. I mean, it doesn't really seem in the best interest of the abductors to leave anybody alive, you know. Or leave them at all. Kind of evil type creatures, but they're doing experiments. They're checking things out.

You know, they're dissecting, whatever. It's like, it's almost like people that work in those labs that do. experiments on rats and mice and bunnies for, I don't know, not even just pharmaceuticals, but like makeup and all the rest of it to see if it's safe. It's like, would you describe those people as evil or those people are just doing their job? I don't know. Some of them, some of them are probably not that ethical.

In expect maybe in the pharmaceutical industries, I've also heard some pretty horrible stories about the cosmetic industry. But no, I do get your point. And I mean, also, even if you do just look at like just the medical industry, you know, if you take like, say, rats, you know, you're doing a test on something. You have to imagine. I mean, I don't know what the procedure is in medical school. But you have to imagine, you know, some of your rats are probably going to do okay in the test.

And maybe some of them aren't. And some of them are going to, yeah, still be able. around afterwards and yeah some of them are so i you know maybe it's the case that you know we're uh dependent on what tests the aliens are doing to you is it's kind of whether you you live or not but um yeah i don't know there's some there's some there's some evil people in and lab coats doing some pretty wild things to animals well back to your point they don't they don't they also do not let even if those mice and rats survive any experiment it's not like they put them back out in the wild no i think they would dispose of them yeah so the fact that they bring anyone back

is pretty interesting yeah that's my thing is like why why leave any witnesses you know if you're really going like the only reason to leave like actually leave a witness is like maybe that person was like special or you want them to like tell people like i don't know why would you maybe they're just like no can believe this anyway yeah like if you're a criminal and you can get away with any crime and be untraceable like you can just do whatever you want the only reason you would leave someone is because you wanted to you know you don't have to leave a witness yeah it's alien hubris yeah what what was your take on the bigfoot stuff i mean sightings, reports.

I don't know. That one interdimensional stuff. Like, time that one in. Doesn't that seem like without even looking into it at all that they can't explain why no one ever sees them and there's no bodies? So they just add interdimensional to it. Like, isn't that, like, Bigfoot itself is quite a leap. and then to just give them a superpower as well,

just to explain kind of away the lack of evidence is such a jump that I don't know even where that would stand on the conspiracy theory or, you know, tinfoil hat round. Like that one might even be further out there than flat earth. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I was already pretty skeptical of the Bigfoot stuff, but I mean, for sake of conversation, it was, yeah, I hadn't heard that theory before. It was interesting, though.

Like, he was talking about, he was talking about the hitchhiker effect and how once you kind of start investigating these things, you kind of see more of them. Like he was saying that after he started doing some of these investigations, outside of his own woods, he would find like Bigfoot tracks, like 17-inch tracks outside of the woods that he lived in and like would have work acquaintances who had similar experiences. Like they would see things that only after they started investigating it. Like I don't know. That's kind of weird.

but yeah, I don't know. When he said that he saw 17-inch tracks outside of his own woods personally, I was like, all right, that's interesting. That's like, I don't know, like, not to dismiss him or anything, but like, I don't know. Do I believe that? Like, did he take a picture of it, you know? Like, did that start to ruin his credibility for you someone? I don't.

Not necessarily. but I was just like, huh, that's a wild thing to claim. You know, I don't know. Maybe it's true. Maybe it's true, but. Well, he did say he had some hair, right? And it was too expensive to test. And then even Rogan was like, well, how expensive is it to test?

Because Rogan can pay for that. And I think he was interested. And I don't know if the guy wasn't taking him seriously, but he didn't really push at it. Like, I felt like, If he had gone, oh, do you think that we could get this analyzed? You could cover this? I'd be real.

I mean, that would be the most compelling thing, real life evidence to do. And they just kind of like brushed over that. Yeah, well, I think he was saying that it was like, because he, on one of them, he did have a guy fund a bunch of tests for him. And he even had a thing that people sent in samples. And they tested for him. So I think he said to Rogan after he offered that that he like, it would have been the same results as before or something along those lines.

I think there was some reason that it didn't work out. But yeah, I mean, it was, yeah, he said that. He said that he before was approached by some pretty wealthy people who wanted him to investigate Bigfoot and then he decided not to and then was apparently going through a custody battle with his kids and

they approached a bad space and broke. Yeah, decided to do it. Explore and investigate Bigfoot. Yeah, but apparently that was the one where, yeah, he was able to get some funding and do some of these sample tests.

And what was the conclusion that it was just not any hair that anyone had ever seen? Yeah, it was it was not traceable, but he also said that they only found, and I can't remember which one it was, I think that he said they only found male samples, or what they believed to be, only male samples. And then even when they had people send in their stuff, they had like a good bit of samples that people sent in.

and he was like guys don't bullshit us like we're going to test them we're going to know if it's a deer or your dog you know um but yeah i guess a lot of people sent in samples and it was consistent with the samples that he had like they didn't know what it was and couldn't couldn't figure it out huh so i guess it's just a matching thing but at least you could pull the genome from it right yeah i mean i yeah i'm I have no idea how any of that works, but, well, that was my thing was like, you can't pull anything from it. Like, is it not have DNA? Like, is it not consistent with the DNA that we see across our species?

Like, what, you saw something? What did you see? Yeah, it really, he didn't really explain it. And maybe that's just because that's not his area of expertise and being able to discuss it. But I almost feel like along with this interview, a really interesting part of this would have been to also have there somebody that had analyzed these samples, right, to like pull it together. Because that seemed to be the most compelling part of the discussion, at least in terms of not just being stories, right, or someone's interpretation of kind of what's going on. Also, and something I want to finish on, what about the gaps in memory of the survivors? There was that person that, like, came to kind of, his whole family was looking for him and he'd been skiing, and then all of a sudden he's in a truck, many states away.

Yeah. I don't know. Maybe ambient. Do you write? No. but that was, yeah, that was weird. And he was, like, not in the back of the truck. He was, like, in the, like, front of the truck.

And he said he, like, came, too in the middle of the conversation. Like, he was speaking, didn't even realize what he was talking about kind of thing. Yeah, that's wild. It kind of lined up to me, though, when they said, oh, they don't know who the trucker was and he didn't get information about where he was picked up. You could imagine being, if that is legit, being very confused and almost kind of embarrassed and not understand, you know, to be like, whoa, wait a second.

Where was I? How'd I get in here? And just kind of like mosey on out at the next stop. Yeah. But I mean, I don't know. Wasn't he with friends and stuff? He was like on a trip or something like that. I mean, he was going skiing.

Right. And didn't they say he didn't have his clothes too, like all of his ski. clothes were gone. Well, he was wearing his ski clothes. Oh, okay. I don't know if he had the rest of his gear with him, though, like he was holding a snowboard. Yeah. Yeah.

Stuff like that is unusual. I mean, look, that could just be one story, but he kind of implied that he had, you know, more accounts of something like this happening. Yeah. I mean, there was a lot of them. It sounded like this guy has talked to personally to a lot of these people and, you know, heard stories of, you know, the people who've been abducted or, you know, Bigfoot people or, you know, survivors of people who've been abducted. And, yeah, it seems to be just a lot of questions. Well, you talked about children as well, you know, like little kids being found. in like destinations and elevations that seem impossible,

um, like far away and impossible for them to get to at their age. Um, that one's harder because kids can kind of just wander off and do things, obviously. But, um, yeah, what does,

what does that mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's, it feels the same way as the one that he, was talking about where um people were um you know like the lady who was like way way too off the cliff like they couldn't have couldn't have gotten there by themselves like that just that just feels weird

because i can totally see that like when i'm hiking and stuff like i can totally like there's some places that i can totally get to and then there's some places that like with my normal equipment or even um again like the timeline thing too like there's just some like you like you're just some like a lot of examples of you just couldn't be able to cover that amount of distance in that time. Also, like, you know, if you're wearing hiking shoes and have just like a sandwich in your backpack, you're not going to be able to climb up to the top of some, like, massive rock face, you know? So to be able to get up there is, yeah, that's like, that seems unexplainable. Yeah, very strange.

But also just in a way, super interesting. And I think what I really liked about this episode and David in particular is like he, he seemed thorough, right? And legit. Obviously, he's going down these rabbit holes, which often takes you in a direction like you're saying of like all of a sudden you start to see conspiracies and everything. But also, you know, to the same point, it's like you could imagine detectives would do that too, right? It's like, yeah, they're hanging out with their family or. They're at an amusement park or whatever, but they've always probably got a little bit of their brain on some sort of investigative channel. And I'm sure that they're just dismissing a lot of what they're saying, but they're always paying attention to something that could be off or some strange behavior that they're saying around them. And, you know, this guy seemed very much like he's the. sort of person that if they're telling you this type of story, that you're going to want to listen to it, right? There's a big difference between like a very crazy person discussing anything and an individual like David.

Yeah, he did not seem like a crazy kook. Like, he seemed like he's just seen some wild stuff that you can't explain. Yeah. And this is old school Rogan. Like this is the type of episode that back in the day people loved from Rogan and it's so cool that he still has these on and in a lot of ways I think a lot of the fans and the pushback and oh you know Rogan's taking a lot of heat over the Theo episode and then selling out to billionaires and whatever else but almost to me I feel like if he could stick with these episodes more like only. almost have this as like the showcase and have his comedians on. And don't get me wrong, occasionally have someone on like Dave Smith that gets serious and political. But, you know, these are the episodes you want to go down. It's like pyramids, UFOs, this type of wacky stuff.

It's, is ridiculous as most of it is. It's almost less controversial for him at this point. Yeah, and I think it's also one of those ones where it's like, you know, at the end of the day, we don't know what we're talking about here. You know, we're just kind of, we're just kind of talking. So, yeah, to me, it feels, it feels fun. And, yeah, it's a little bit less of a, like, serious one, you know. I like it. Yeah, good. Well, guys, check this one out.

If you like these types of stories and this is like the Rogan angle that you enjoy, I would say that this is kind of. billing honestly this is one of the better ones that goes into that kind of wacky world but uh as always thanks Sean thanks for joining me yeah thanks for having me next time peace