Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 530 JRE Review of Skyler Grey

Episode Date: June 9, 2026

This one had a surprisingly emotional start, with Joe getting choked up discussing Skylar's song "Coming Home" and the impact music can have on people's lives. Joe sits down with Grammy-nominated singer, songwriter, and producer Skylar Grey for a wide-ranging conversation on music, creativity, AI, fame, and the emotional power of great art. They discuss the future of AI-generated music, Skylar's journey from a small Wisconsin town to writing some of the biggest songs in the world, and why authentic human expression still matters in an increasingly artificial world. Plus stories about Eminem, songwriting, life on a farm, and the unexpected moments that shaped her career.  Cohost Brian Whitman Sponsors Draft Kings www.draftkings.com Download the DraftKings Casino app and sign up with code JRER to claim your Flex Spins and experience Cashingo—the feature you can't play anywhere else! For Iphone get from the Store Android playstore    Gambling problem? Call one eight hundred GAMBLER. In Connecticut, help is available for problem gambling call eight eight eight seven eight nine seven seven seven seven or visit C C P G dot org. Please play responsibly. Twenty-one plus. Physically present in Connecticut, Michigan, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, West Virginia only. Void in Ontario. Eligibility restrictions apply. Non-withdrawable Spins issued as fifty spins per day for twenty days, valid for select games only and expire each day after twenty four hours. See terms at casino dot draftkings dot com slash promos. Ends July twenty-second at eleven fifty nine PM Eastern Time. For fee-free banking go to Chime.com/JRER SUPPORT OUR SHOW! Head to our Patreon Check out our website at www.jrereview.com For all marketing questions and inquiries: [e-mail] Please email us here with any suggestions, comments and questions for future shows.. [e-mail]

Hey guys and welcome to another episode of the Joe Rogan Experience Review today joined by an old buddy, my Brian. What's happening, dude? Hey, Adam. How's it going? Going good. Going good. Today we are reviewing Skylar Gray. How cool was this chick, dude? She's pretty cool. Yeah. Like, calm. I hadn't, I think I've heard of her a little bit. I wasn't familiar with her backstory or any of her career. Yeah, and when I started going through her songs after the conversation, I was just blown away. Like, you know, it's not massively my style of music. I do like Eminem, so all of those work great, but just her talent is phenomenal.

And the fact that Eminem wants to work with her, I mean, that's kind of all you need to hear. Yeah. Yeah, I did the same thing. I just kind of clicked on it because it looked she looked interesting and I was like oh let's see what I was to say and yeah find out of course

that she's responsible for so many songs that I didn't even know she was credited for that I like over the years yeah it's pretty fun kind of wild I mean and the fact that she was just like living what was it like in a cabin somewhere yeah and then all of a sudden

has the number one song in the world. Yep. Like, I, I just can't even imagine, like, what, what that does. And then when you hear it, talk about all the pressure that she felt like she was under everyone wanted to write songs with her. She had to make all these number one hits, that whole imposter syndrome thing. I mean, the internal fight must be wild when you're in that situation.

That pressure could break a lot of people. Well, for sure. And there's there's like no way to prepare yourself for that. Today, I'm walking to the outhouse with a backwards mask so I don't get killed by a mountain lion. And tomorrow I'm flying to L.A. to record another hit song. Yeah, Eminem, Rihanna, Dr. Dre, Diddy. Well, I guess you could probably leave Diddy off the list these days. They didn't talk about that a lot, did they? No, I'm glad they skipped over that, honestly.

Yeah. It's unfortunate. But I mean, look, the first three, they're basically billionaires. For sure. And music geniuses and they're all right. And yeah, it's kind of, it's unbelievable. And it's really cool that she is this person that owns, you know, a winery. Yes. And has cows and chickens. And there's this whole other element to who she is, which, you know, it kind of makes you think, I wonder how much of her. creativity comes from this other life that she leads. Well, and you would never look at her today and be like, she definitely has a farm, right? It's like, I feel like we're,

I think just as a species, we're like getting better at living outside of, you know, boxes. Yeah. I mean, who is it? Elliot is her husband's name?

Like he's out there killing deer and she's helping them clean them and you know this is this the new uh it's the new hollywood i guess well dude i mean think about it he's out there on the tractor like really working a farm and he's married to it's not like they need the money right that's a tough job yep yeah doing it for the love of it it's got to be something right or just doing it because what else do you do Is it like, oh, just sit around on yachts and go to fancy parties? I mean, just wait to die. Yeah, that's terrible.

Yeah, you're just like, this is just bullshit. Well, and not just, not just any, you know, not just any farm, not just any vineyard. I thought it was interesting that she talked about that it's a dry vineyard. Right. Which is a vaguely familiar concept to me, but, you know, hearing her talk about it, you know making the grapes having to struggle and fight for survival somehow makes them sweeter it's just the holocaust of grapes out there i was like what do you got a raisin farm the hell is going on in this book yeah well you know they do something very similar with

chilies and so when i lived in new mexico green chili is like the big thing out of that and it's the best. If you've never tried green chili, you need to get so good. It's amazing. And Hatch is a place that every year we would get all the chilies from. And some years, it was like really hot harvest. Other years, they were more mild than all the rest of it. And it turns out, I think this is the case with it. If it's too wet of a season, they don't get as spicy. They don't get as hot. And it's just that when there's more of a drought, there's less of them. So their need to survive is higher. So they make themselves taste worse to any predation that could be happening.

So the chilies get spicier. Interesting. Yeah. And maybe there's something similar that happens with grapes. You could imagine that flavors would change if the tree or the bush or whatever is under different types of stresses. It's worth noticing that apparently all life on earth gets better through adversity. You're right. Yeah, a little bit of pressure on him.

I mean, look, man, you could take that whole thing back to most of Rogan's message in general. It's like the wealthier he got, the better his jobs got, he could have made his life just so smooth and easy. And he's still out there grinding every day. Yeah. You know, whether it's jiu-jitsu, martial arts, getting his ass kicked, working out like an absolute savage in his mid-50s. I mean, he understands that's exactly how you do it.

And I think this message has been told so many times a lot of people now know it. But it's almost like that podcast syndrome that you get. You ever had it where you listen to. so many podcasts about health or like how to get your life together you listen to some jordan peterson and then you get to the end of it and you're like wow that's amazing i know all this and you don't add one fucking thing to your life yeah if it it you almost become more guilty you're like i can't believe i know what to do and i'm still not doing it yeah well and it's overwhelming you know because we we we kind of oversaturated ourselves with you know you know

know, Chris Williams and who's the guy, the doctor, he's always doing like deep dives on stuff. You know, we learn how to optimize everything to death. Yes. And it's like, oh, well, you got to wear this heart monitor and wear these shoes and you got to have red light therapy. It's like, well, that's $75,000 that I don't have. So I guess I'll just be fat. Yeah. You need to have a, uh, uh, what are those changes?

chambers, the barrack, hyperbaric chamber. Yeah. You're going to pressurize yourself three times a week. I'm like, oh, they're only 10 grand. And I always think how many people get stuck in those things? That would be terrible. Yeah, I don't know. Well, that's why I've always appreciated Joe's overriding mentality throughout the years.

And, you know, every now and then he'll try. treat us to kind of a rant but um you know it's like hey just start doing that thing you know keep at it do hard stuff challenge yourself be consistent you know have fun don't get stuck doing something and it's like it you know it sounds too good to be true and i'm sure a lot of people probably go oh yeah well it's easier for you know a hundred million dollar jo rogan to say that but he wasn't born with a hundred million dollars and and anybody could apply those ingredients to their life and improve it think. Yeah, there's just a hard work metric that comes through and even given a day off, he makes something hard. The push that he has to just keep challenging himself and doing difficult

things, doing hard stuff. It's, you know, even as a therapist, I don't know, I don't have one example of the client coming in to my office, sitting with me, and then applying so. some difficult challenges to their lives that just overrides the types of stress that they came in with. And, you know, it's difficult to say as a therapist when someone sits down with you, oh, you need to hit the gym because we're not personal trainers, right? We're here to, like, talk about your mind and your mindset. But there's just so many of those pieces that kind of do the work for you. If somebody mentions to me, hey, I want to, you know, I had this guy not that long.

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But he got all this camaraderie. You know, these guys started kind of picking on him, but not in a bully way. Just like, let's see if you're on the team. And then all of a sudden he started to understand what that was. And he wasn't taking things so seriously. It was like more able to just kind of like joke around. And it was a night and day changed, dude. Yeah.

Difficult. Yeah. Rugby is hard as hell. Yeah, it sounds fun. Oh, yeah. It's cool. I now want to join a rugby team. So, actually what you said about, you know, I can't just tell someone to go work out.

Kind of reminds me of what you said, you know, we'll finish listening to a three-hour podcast. You should go do all these things. You don't do any of it. It's not that nobody knows that they should work out. they just don't because it's a mindset thing. And honestly, I don't know where that comes from. I don't know why I like working out now. I didn't used to.

I know what got me to start working out. But why do I love it now? And I used to hate it. Like, it's almost like I'm a happy victim to, you know, to the fact that I love this thing. Right. But if I didn't, why would I do it? It's difficult.

It hurts. this isn't fine exactly i mean look it back to that guy that works on the farm it's he's probably done other jobs that are far less physically taxing but there's a feedback luke you feel capable you feel stronger now you know physically you things don't when they ache they ate probably because you worked out really hard because you did something it when you don't stuff aches anyway things ache because you're like atrophying away that's not a good feeling there's a big difference between being sore as hell from a good jiu-jitsu training or a good workout and then just because you've been sat in the car for eight hours driving now your lower back is killing you like there's no

there's no positive feedback there you know like oh this is a great feeling in my lower back but when your legs are killing you your neck hurts and you're just like man that was a good session. I needed this. It's going to grow back. I'm getting stronger. You know, so many elements in life are like that. And I think if you just keep putting that feedback loop in, then it's all part of like that growth mindset thing.

Yep. Yeah. Try things like pay attention to the result. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And don't quit at it. Yes. Right?

I mean, Skyler had a lot of that kind of. spread through this podcast too i mean she started out young singing she had to ditch her mom which i thought actually kind of funny at a super early age you got mom you're fired sorry mom i got plans i got stuff to do kids are making fun of me this is dumb i'm out i'm sure she's over it now that a daughter is you know world famous and the multi-millionaire but uh i'm sure she takes care of her mom well It didn't seem like there was any hard feelings. It didn't seem so, yeah. I mean, also just the fact that she kept at it while doing, what was she editing porn?

Yeah. That job sounded awful, dude. Oh, yeah. The light socket is a gaping butthole. Yeah. I mean, look, even if that is in your life. and you get some enjoyment out of it, I guarantee if you have to sit there making those snippets,

that would put you off forever. Well, you know what I really loved about that bit was she wasn't like, she would just like, that's what I did. And this is why. You know, he's like, how did you start? He's like, I went and interviewed and that's what it turned out to be. I needed the money and it was good money at the time. What was it?

30 bucks an hour to look at a hole. Yeah, dude, like 30, you know, 20 years ago. I don't know. Not too bad. Yeah, I guess. Whatever pays your bills. Yeah. As fast as she could do it.

I think she only did it for two weeks, though, as she said. Yeah. Well, the light bulb thing would have been enough for most people. Yeah, that's a watershed moment. What was the word that she used? There was like some syndrome that she said she picked up. I forgot what it was. It was a fun word.

I don't remember either. Yeah, I never want that to happen. No. Ever. No. Never see light sockets the same way again. Just any hole. You're like, I need to just freaking out constantly.

Yeah, bad, bad. What did you think when they brought up the like the 1% earners thing? Being worldwide. Well, Rogan thought it was like 30 grand. He's been saying this for a long time. I don't think he like ever Googled it. or maybe so one meme. Yeah.

I love those like non-facts that he's so sure real. And he's learned, right? Because while Jamie's looking it up, he's like, well, maybe I just saw a meme somewhere. I don't know. Yeah. He doesn't have a clue. I just been saying for six months. For Jamie in perplexity, I don't think that he believed he even had a fact.

Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, so that's 60 grand worldwide. And obviously, the variations there are massive. In the U.S. for a family, 600. the 60K for an individual 450. I looked that up. Yeah. And

I mean that's it's kind of wild to think that you can be most Americans, well I guess not. I don't know what the average pay is in the U.S. But there's plenty of people that make over 60 grand in the U.S. Do you feel

like a top one percent in the world financially? No. Right. I was thinking to say I'm like, hold on a second. Does that mean I just shouldn't move to a way poorer country? Give yourself some perspective. You're like, this is terrible.

I'm going back to America. Yeah. You may feel like you have a lot of money there, but you probably don't want to be there. That's the problem. Dude, I mean, yeah. You know, what is Joe say sometimes? Like, the worst thing that's ever happened to you is the worst thing that's ever happened to you. Like we're all just kind of, we're all living in our, in our own world. So, you know,

we have our struggles, which everyone has, but they're all relative to their lives. So it's like, oh man, poor me. I wish I had more to do this or whatever. It could always, it could always be worse. Yeah. That's an excellent perspective. And that's where it leans into all just the kind of gratitude list things, which often are overplayed and sound very, cheesy but there has to be a process in your life of reflecting on gratitude because it's so easy to only worry about the shit you don't have oh yeah yeah i'll sometimes have to remind myself you know i'll be stressed out about something at work or whatever and and uh it's just affecting my entire mood and sometimes i'm like like how could you improve your life right now you really it's really

awesome you need to just be happy with this well you do start going through that list and very quickly if you practice it you get so much better of putting those together it's like all of a sudden your mind is through the day just focused on the things that you have and the things that work well yeah and it's not a comparison to other people like oh they don't have anything so i feel better it's just noticing what you have put together for sure instead of the thrill four things you think you need that you probably don't and wouldn't even make you happy anyway. Oh, yeah. Well, that's why impulse buying is like, it's like, you know, a road that leads straight to depression

because you see something, you buy it, you get there, you don't even use it. You know, six months later, you're like, oh, it's still in the package. Right. Dude, talking about that, you know what I was looking up the other day? for some reason those like big containers of freeze dried food for like the doomsday prep of things yeah and they're like three hundred dollars and you get a year of it and i'm like the chances that i would ever need to eat any of this shit and i was like so close to buy it for some reason i had this whole narrative that i got to protect my family and have and i'm like could i just get like a big bag of rice

Yeah, well, I mean, the Southeast ages have proven that you can. Right. Yeah, that'd be fine. I just went down a massive rabbit hole. Hey, we were talking before the pot even about kids and careers and directions. And, you know, you mentioned your kid wanting to get into jiu-jitsu and just these, like, different pursuits. And then also careers, right? Like, Skyla's a singer.

I'm sure that plenty of people along the way were like, you know, what are you doing with this? She even talked about her algebra teacher. Yeah. Saying when she, yeah, she didn't do her homework. Well, music's not a career. Yeah. Immediately those people should be fired. That's disgusting.

For sure. Right? That stuff is so annoying. And don't get me wrong. I'm sure they've had a bunch of kids that don't do the work they're assigned and have some other dream that they're focused on. and just want to play basketball. But the dream crushing thing is it's just awful to think happens. And it's so unnecessary because like anytime someone tries to do something new, cool, or scary,

everyone around them out of love, ironically, is like, oh, whoa, what if this goes wrong and that goes wrong? It's like they probably already thought about all of the negative things and they are overcoming that fear to chase this thing they want to do anyways. well, what if you fail? What are you going to do? Well, I guess I'll figure it out then, won't I? Right. You know, you got to just run at the thing and see what happens. Yeah. And I mean, you know, I guess the tricky thing is, like, especially as a parent, it's like you're trying to guide your kid into a good situation. And as a parent, you do need to look for things that you think will be dangerous or may not work. but at the same time, they have to try. And then when you think of jobs today, it's like, what a hypocrite I would be

if my kid was like, I want to do podcasting too. Yeah. Yeah. You know, people were, okay, yeah, cool. Let's get started. Get good at it. You know, a lot of practice. And how useful is school half the time?

I kind of think homeschooling is the way forward. dude i i'll paraphrase uh teddy roosevelt but he he essentially said like you know uh no no man can tell another man what he needs to know and you know education is kind of like a journey you just read a book and then you know it leads you to another book another book and another adventure i mean i love that dude who's to say like how am i supposed to tell you adam what you what information you need to be armed with for life. Sure. You know.

And, oh, by the way, follow my advice and maybe you can be, you know, whatever I am trapped in this, probably a terrible career, dead-eyed. But that's the thing, right? There's this algebra teacher telling her this. Rogan's talked about this art teacher that was the same way to him. And the fact that people that are unhappy with their journey and their direction through their failures will tell other people not to do things is, like you have to be so careful. If you ever had like a business idea or wanted to go into a new venture and you find yourself asking a few people about it like, hey, what do you think of this? And like the differences that you get answer-wise from those people is unbelievable.

Oh, yeah. You know, they're just people that are really supportive of it that are just like, yeah, do it. They're all locking into the same thing. Practice work. If you fail, that's okay. You're going to learn something. And then the same people, there's other people that are just like, no, that's too difficult. Don't do it.

What about the overhead? Think of the insurance. And they're always, they're never people that have done something freaking cool themselves. Yeah, exactly. Well, and the vast majority of adults that I know have, like, gone back for different degrees later on in life or, you know, are on, you know, their 10th career. and they followed the traditional route. But, I mean, almost without exception, the only people that I know who actually used the degree

that they got in college today are doctors and lawyers. Everyone else is doing something else entirely. Sure. And they're like, well, at least I got that degree. I'm like, you're not using it. Yeah. You know? So I tell my kiddo, like, listen, if you decide you,

you just have to have to have. a degree you want to learn a certain thing you want to do a certain thing you know how quickly and easily you'll be able to get that thing because you are driven with a desire to get there not because someone's telling you you need to go get this thing it's so easy to learn if you're inspired to learn right you know you can't force someone to want to do something no but you know that's that's basically what school is it is yeah you know i mean To be fair, I don't know many kids that are excited to learn math. So there's got to be, they enjoy counting to 10 when they're like two years old.

Oh, counting to 10 is awesome. Beyond that, love it today. You start getting them to add things together and they're like, oh, this fucking sucks. Yeah, why is that number a letter and why do I need to change it back? That's dumb. Mm-hmm. But what does this mean for the future? And what does it mean for the future, especially also with AI as well,

replacing so many jobs. It's like it's really difficult to point them in a direction based on how we grew up. Because so many of those things are going to disappear anyway. You almost got to be like a robot repair person moving forward. Yeah, until they learn how to repair themselves, right? So I thought Skyler had an interesting perspective on this as a content creator because she was the reverse of hand-wringing. like, hey, we've always had new tools and we've used them how we like. And this is just the next new tool and everybody's terrified of it.

I'm not so sure I agree with, you know, she seemed to think it was pretty limited. And maybe she just meant in the musical space. Obviously, there's a lot more that AI could, you know, do potentially. But I thought it was interesting that for her as a, you know, as a producer of music, not concerned about this thing that they just admitted is making really good versions of her. Yeah. You know? And she's not, she's not like, she's like, it's cool.

It's fine. I think it might just speak to an overall attitude, though, you know. Like that that's a very positive, optimistic outlook, right? If you, because it's, you know, it's possible to see everything as doom and gloom. Everything could be like the new bad thing. but history and time has been going along forever and things have improved. You know, we add things in, we figure out that place. And, you know, they talk about this.

They compare AI to the Industrial Revolution all the time. That thing came along and everyone was like, we're all going to be out of the job. Yeah, things looked a lot different. A lot of the farms closed. Yep. But we got a lot done. Yeah. And, you know, AI, even for podcasting, has just made it kind of unbelievable with the way that you can, you almost don't even need a studio anymore.

Yeah. You can do, you can record on almost anything with any mic. And it has an AI system that just fixes all the sound, gets all the echo out. I was doing a podcast the other day and someone was like mowing outside my window. And I was just shaking my head like, damn it. If I was in my studio, this wouldn't happen. All I did was click one button at the end, and it just fixed all the sound immediately. Oh, wow.

Yeah. There was no Moa in there at all. Yep. The only thing you could hear is my distracted conversation while I was thinking about that damn moa and trying to podcast. Yep. So the AI replacing things, replacing people specifically. like that that type of argument has been put forth for every technological advancement and it's never come true like oh like how many people with a cart and a horse do you think it takes to carry one truckload you know and how long would it take you know all those people didn't just go away and die without jobs they found other stuff it enriched us as a people it enriched our economy so like we have more free time.

We make more money for what we do. And I don't know. I mean, you know, they've talked about this on the, on JRE. You know, they're kind of like, okay, well, you know, the universal basic income, which is a different conversation altogether. And, you know, AI and, you know, these robots. And it's like, it's not, it doesn't seem that big of a stretch to think that with these advancements that it could potentially just be like a whole new world where like

we just are allowed to pursue what we want to pursue and we have time for that. And I don't know. It's it's interesting, at least to think about. I think there's going to be a lot more creation in the entertainment space because of it. You know, I mean, how many kids today. just want to be YouTubers. And, you know, in the 80s, it was like doctor, astronaut, lawyer, professional athlete. And today, it's all different.

Yep. You know, it's content creator, YouTuber, you name it. And even with AI, imagine how many more people will have access to making good music themselves. That maybe before, because one, they didn't play an instrument or they didn't know the right people. they didn't have a cool studio, they wouldn't have been able to do it. Yep. And great music would be being lost.

I think there's going to be an incredible amount of awesome entertainment that comes out of this. We're almost at the point with AI where they can make whole movies. So on that, like, because a lot of my favorite music is very, like, raw and unique. and there's a fault in the voice or in the instrument or something. And I love that coming through. But I feel like isn't that something that AI will wash out or will it pick up? Because obviously I'm not alone in that. People love, you know, all types of music.

Does AI pick up on that and say, hey, oh, by the way, there's a market for imperfect sound, a voice cracking or whatever. Yeah. You imagine you can just add it in. like sure it's going to primarily be focused towards the crispest most perfectly sounding thing. And then at the end of that you just say, yeah, I want the instrument to be a bit scrambly. I want to, you know, almost hear like the crackle in the amp and maybe his voice isn't perfect throughout. you know, just it's kind of, it's kind of endless how far you can adjust those things and re-edit them and mix it up. What about?

I imagine that that could be possible. Yeah. But what about like, what about soul and pain and the things that make really like, because we, I love music because it makes me feel. sure and it makes me feel when it's AI it's hard to feel those songs if you know it's completely fake but saying that that's just us what about the next generation my daughter is two she's only going to know AI existing yep right and chat GPT and all these different things and imagine how much further that's going to be in eight 10 years and maybe her association with these things is far more normalized. Like she could have a robot be a friend. Now, this isn't something I'm trying to encourage, but you can imagine there's going to be a space for it.

And it's very clear to us that that's not a friend and it's a robot because we didn't grow up with them. But if you develop with it, maybe your association is much different. So we might only be one generation away from all of those things become. Like there's just this huge artificial part of people's lives that feels as real to them is it did to us listening to Nirvana in like the early 90s. Yeah, that's a good point.

And like for us, we might feel like something is lost. But for the next generation who's only known this new thing and they love it and it makes them feel and it makes them happy as well, there was nothing, nothing has been lost. is how it's always been and this is amazing. I love this. Yeah, they might think we're idiots. They're like, wait, you used to have to wait for people to write songs and release albums. You didn't have, you didn't have a box that you just describe a type of song to and it just makes the whole thing. Yeah. Like, no, we didn't have that. Watch whatever movie you want to that just popped up in your head. Yep. You're like, I want Arnold Schwarzenegger when he was a bodybuilder in Uh, the Wizard of Alls, go.

Okay. All right. So, but does that, okay, so like, I, so I love internet radio. That's all I listened to. I don't, I grew up with the old radio, right? Commercials and everything. But now with internet radio, I'm like,

why would I listen to a song I don't want to hear or commercials when I don't have to? Um, however, uh, the, the feeling of joy that I got for, from one of these songs that I was waiting to come on, just popping on the station that I had no control over, I never experienced that anymore because if I want to hear a song, I listen to the song. So I almost wonder if, like, us just being able to create whatever cinematic experience

we cook up in our brain in a matter of seconds, if that's just going to be kind of like a very watered-down version of what we used to have, the anticipation of going to the movies and what did they do with the plot line and, you know, if it's, if it comes from your imagination, you know how the story ends because you thought it. A hundred percent. I mean, look, when I was a kid in England, we had four channels. And I think on Friday nights, they'd play a movie on like BBC or ITV, which was channel three.

And you don't pick what that is. Right. And it's probably one you've already seen, you know, they might put on back to the future or, die hard or Ghostbusters. Whatever it was, you were excited for it just because it's a movie that's going to be on the TV and you

could have seen it a bunch of times and if you had great, but you're locked in. Oh yeah. Yeah. You didn't miss it. Even if you're not enjoying it the whole way through, you just, we didn't have that type of control. It's the same thing with a record player

I just bought recently in my old studio. Once the record's on, like one, you've got to go over, you've got to pick the album, you've got to put the whole thing in. It's not just pushing buttons on Spotify. So it added something like really cool to the space and people started using it and enjoying it. And again, the songs are in order. You don't skip your record. If the second song you don't like at all, you're sitting there and listening to it until the whole side's done. It kind of adds that built-in patience, and then it gives you something else to appreciate.

So to your point, there's going to be things that are lost with all of this access. I mean, you probably already feel it every time you put on Netflix. How many times have you put it on with 10 billion shows, and you're like, I can't find anything what? Yeah. It makes no sense. We shouldn't have that much choice. A brain is not good at dealing with it. I don't think.

Yeah, I know. And oh, by the way, so, you know, we like to complain about algorithms and being pigeonholed. And obviously, I see the danger in that. But for things like Netflix specifically, very useful for me. Because I'll watch a show that I love. And Netflix is like, got it. This one hits 13 of the 15 points. Check it out.

And I click on it. Like, yep, nailed it. Love this show too. Good call. Oh, and dude, Spotify does that for music for me. I mean, it's probably how I heard Skyler's songs before because I don't listen to the radio. So for me, it's either my playlist that's all built in or what they suggest. And I often run through those suggestions.

And it's a big algorithm based on all the songs that you've picked. Yep. So they're almost always right with like bangers. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm like, oh, that is great. Yep. Yeah, Amazon does the same for me. And I'll listen to a playlist. And then when the playlist runs out, it'll just start like auto playing songs that it thinks would fit in there. And I'm like, oh, this is awesome. I mean, I found so many new artists that way. Mm-hmm. And in a way, that's an advantage to kind of like, I don't know if they're using AI in there, but they're using some sort of thinking algorithm. And that's incredibly useful that you just, don't have to sit around trying to figure it out and they just plug it right in for you.

Yep. The last thing I wanted to touch on was her experience in the wild working and having those damn mountain lines around. Now, this is something being from England, though I don't think I'll ever just get used to the idea of. But there are freaking mountain lions all over the United States. Yeah. I mean, they're not all over, right? They're not running around New York City. No, but they're in New York, probably upstate, I'm sure.

Have you ever had an experience with a mile online, or have you seen one? So I believe I saw one when I was very young in Florida. Crossing a canal trail like probably a couple hundred yards away, it definitely creep me out. No shit. They've got them in Florida? Yeah. Yeah. So the interesting thing about mountain lions is they're all over the world, actually.

And everywhere that they are in the world, it's the same species. There's no variation. It's not like a timber wall or an Arctic wolf or whatever. They're all the same. But we call them different names. There was an amazing book that I read one time by a, this was a guy in Montana called The Path of the Puma. his name was Jim or James something.

I think I heard him on the meat eater podcast, but dude, that book is so fun. If you're curious about Mountain Lions at all, that's a good one for you. Really? Yes. Yeah. Oh, dude, I'm into it.

I mean, it's just fascinating. And I saw one one one time at the zoo in Albuquerque. And, you know, they're not the biggest cats, but they are ferocious looking. Yeah. I mean, it looked like the meanest thing. you could imagine, it was just looking at me chewing on this tire. Yep.

And I was like, I bet he's thinking that I'm that tire right now. Yeah. Pretty strong jaws. Yeah. The fact that she didn't think about buying a gun and Joe had to bring that up like three times. She was like, I had a shovel. Yeah. Good luck.

Yep. So fortunately for us, they are very uninterested in humans except for the raretreated. the rare occasion, you know, you see a video. But they, they pretty much just leave us alone. One time, my cousin was, he was fishing up in the Cascade Mountains. And, well, he hiked up in the mountains and he fished and ate dinner and laid down in his sleeping bag, cowboy camping, which means no tent. Right. And fell asleep.

And the next morning he wakes up, sits up, stretches, and looks down. And on either side of him, are. mountain line tracks. What? Leading up to his body and leading away. No. So you would think that they would just be like, there we go, dinner, snap the neck. You'd think so, but apparently they did like what they found or just weren't interested.

But yeah, I mean, so they walked right up to them, sniffed them and walked off. And I mean, it's pretty terrifying to think about, but it's also a little reassuring to think that, okay, well, maybe they don't necessarily care about me. it would suggest that did it change the way he camps moving forward no what no he's a savage what a lunatic yeah that's i mean those are his mountains man he grew up you know in him and around him and that was just part of his life so yeah um yeah he's pretty maybe he stinks maybe that's what what it was scared him off maybe he stinks yeah maybe so like what is this ag's body spray I'm not eating this thing. Maybe a little too much garlic on the trout.

Unreal. Well, look, I think it says something about her. I mean, just the mask idea. I mean, that she's a brave person. And I'm sure a lot of that bravery in these different areas has led into everything that she's been able to do creatively. Yes. You know, it takes a lot of confidence.

And these things are tied together. Yeah, I thought she was really cool. I've added a bunch of her songs now to my playlist. And it'd be cool to see. just kind of her career. It makes listening to somebody's music and back to how AI ruins the soul of the music, I think it really makes listening to someone's music

that much better when you've got like a good feel of who the person is. Yeah. You're like a little bit more invested. Yep. Well, so and a lot of times knowing the story behind it, right? So like Clapton had a song, Tears in Heaven, I think it was written about his son who died.

Oh, yeah. You know? I mean, and if you know that, when you listen to that song, you can, like, feel his tears. Sure. And, and... Yeah, for real. Yeah. And that's, like, that's part of the experience.

Well, I mean, just how it started, Joe coming on getting quite emotional and a little choked up. Because his wife was like, she wrote the song that I want to play at your funeral. Yep. And, like, tying all of that together. I mean, that's, it's, I mean, it really kind of rocked Skyla and she was like, whoa, this is a hell of way to start a podcast. But in a way, what is a more beautiful tribute or it's like a crazy compliment to give someone, I guess? Yep. Yeah, for sure.

It's pretty, pretty cool. I thought she was cool. I think you guys should definitely check this one out. It was one of the better ones of the week for me. Brian, thank you for joining me. This is awesome. We should do this again, Dave. Sounds good, man.

Thanks for having me. All right. Take it easy, guys.