Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 540 JRE Review of Andrew Wilson

Episode Date: August 25, 2026

Andrew Wilson joins Joe Rogan for a wide-ranging conversation covering politics, religion, corruption, AI, social media, conspiracy theories, and the state of modern culture. We break down the biggest moments, Wilson's arguments, Joe's pushback, and where we agree and disagree. Let's get into it. Sponsors: Get 25% off your first order from Zazzle by visiting www.zazzle.com Rocket Money: Go to RocketMoney.com/JRER to cancel unwanted subscriptions, monitor your spending, lower your bills, and grow your savings. Hims: Go to Hims.com/JRER for simple online access to personalized, affordable care for ED, hair loss, weight loss, and more. Draft Kings www.draftkings.com Download the DraftKings Casino app and sign up with code JRER to claim your Flex Spins and experience Cashingo—the feature you can't play anywhere else! DraftKings Casino App Apple DraftKings Casino App Android    Gambling problem? Call one eight hundred GAMBLER. In Connecticut, help is available for problem gambling call eight eight eight seven eight nine seven seven seven seven or visit C C P G dot org. Please play responsibly. Twenty-one plus. Physically present in Connecticut, Michigan, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, West Virginia only. Void in Ontario. Eligibility restrictions apply. Non-withdrawable Spins issued as fifty spins per day for twenty days, valid for select games only and expire each day after twenty four hours. See terms at casino dot draftkings dot com slash promos. Ends July twenty-second at eleven fifty nine PM Eastern Time.

Hey guys and welcome to another episode at the Joe Rogan Experience Review. I'm here with Peter, co-host of the day, and we are reviewing Andrew Wilson, the commentator, political commentator and cultural critic, known for his very high confidence, rigid framework, and strong traditionalist worldview. He is an exploratory in how he speaks. He argues from conclusions outward. His style is less, less figure it out and more this is how the world works. He's very direct. He's particularly focused on power structures, hierarchy, moral order, and what he sees as the K of Western institutions. If you used to guess who hedge or qualify, Wilson does the opposite. He speaks in absolutes, which is a big reason this episode landed as polarizing as it did.

and Joe interestingly doesn't meet him with equal force. In this episode, Joe hosts this one more as a platform than as a challenger, which makes Wilson's certainty feel even louder. Don't you agree? Maybe a little bit. He definitely, I felt like he came up against him a little bit. Yeah, a little bit, but it was. It was.

Towards the middle. Yep. But they agree more than they. disagree, I think. For sure. I felt like he kind of let him run. But maybe I just felt that way because Wilson,

like he's so often against somebody. Right. That I'm always used to hearing him, you know, debating and being challenged and having to be direct, that this one definitely was more

just kind of two guys kind of mostly talking on the same team. Just kind of getting to know each other basically. Yeah. It was a really good listen actually. I liked listen to this one. Yeah, I thought so for sure. For sure. Yeah, a lot of talk about the elites, power, and who kind of really runs things, which is a lot of what's going on right now. I mean, if the Epstein list and all the explosion there isn't getting people talking about that, then I don't know what else is. I mean, the conspiracy theory.

are running wild online. They're having a field day. The world's our oyster right now. Uh-huh. So much to run with. It's just crazy. You could almost believe anything. Uh, they, anyways.

Well, we can, no, we can get into that. Can we get into that? Well, yeah. I mean, they kind of did anyway. I mean, really. Like, power is concentrated it with the elites, and it's not distributed through democracy. And there's so much of,

do you see this stuff with, Epstein that like ties him to like 4chan and potentially QAnon stuff. And there's like a straight line that says he might have been Q. And the dots are like pretty good. I mean that QAnon stuff is pretty, you can kind of shape it to your own ends. You know, if you see something, it turned out if it's aliens, then you can walk that way. Oh, it was aliens. Well, you can just go whatever way you want with that crazy stuff.

Well, supposedly I've had a meeting with like people that were very close to. the networks that kind of set up the programs that got that all going. Maybe he did Bitcoin too. That's another one. Oh, that is. That one's interesting. He might have started Bitcoin. Is it just that we know so little about either of those that you can just kind of?

It's like the so many degrees of Kevin Bacon. Everyone could be connected. Yeah. That's the same with the Q&N stuff. Exactly. It's lots of little tidbits here and there that can lead you down that rabbit. Oh, so this is just me getting tricked again. But easily tricked.

But you're not wrong until you get proven wrong. Mm-hmm. Oh, I'm not saying I'm right either. I just heard a thing and just blathered it. I'm like, oh, interesting. Cool. That could be real, then. I'm into it.

He's supposedly been in every room for every major decision in the last 30 years until his death. He was part of our immigration policy, part of our war strategy. What the heck? Nosey bitch. Get out of that. That's not for you. Get him out. Get him out.

Well, maybe he did get God out and he's dead, but also maybe he's not dead. Ooh, that's a good one. A lot of people say they saw him in Israel. Maybe he had some lookalikes over there. It's possible. Yeah, I mean, you would think that he would do, like, he'd be good at hiding himself or he'd do some plastic surgery or something. Can't they make you look different?

Totally. Yeah, they'd make you look different. That would be the first thing he would do. beard, grow his curly hairs out. Yeah, change your nose. Uh-huh. You know. Go where you, everyone looks like you. Yeah.

Something like that. Get a tan. Yeah, I think he can tan. Tan it up. He's just, he's Mediterranean. Exactly. You would change some things. The original Island boy. Shave a Mohawk. That's when everyone's looking at your Mohawk.

Like, nice, that's very distracting. How punk is, are you? Get a face tattoo. I would get immediately get a face tattoo. A few teardrops. You wouldn't put it. together because you'd be like wow he didn't have face tattoos did he can't be him working at a 7-11 his 7-11 face tattoo that's not jeff that's that's that jeff apse is that jeffs heffle

steed the financier the finance let's call jelaine yeah let's get her on the phone yeah yep yep yeah well let's get into it i mean really where do we even start i mean i mean i mean i mean i I mean, let's go with some of the ice stuff and what they were talking about. You know, obviously, I mean, Joe's big angle on the ice stuff really is, you know, he thinks overall that some of this is heavy-handed. But he also agrees that too many people came in for sure. That was a problem. and that ultimately those people were let in to eventually make them citizens to change the voting structure. And I think it's worked in California.

The Supreme Court just passed allowed them to do their redistricting. So they redistricted got a couple more seats, I think. And it is that, right? It's like the census is built on the amount of people, not the amount of citizens. Yes. And then you get seats for this. So, you know, whether it was an active conspiracy or not, just de facto, you bring in a bunch of people, it's going to work that way. Right.

And assuming if you make the assumption, right, statistically that they do likely vote one way or another, it's going to benefit one party or another, unless the average, is that they vote 50-50 for either party. It's not going to happen for the first generation. That might happen with their kids and them later, because immigrants typically have a similar worldview as Republicans.

They're generally more conservative people. But maybe their kids aren't. Well, like, first, when you first get in, you're going to reward the people that got you there. But then you might, you know, those Hispanic grandpas in L.A. are Republicans. Okay.

They tend to start voting along their true intentions. But first, like as far as the people in Dearborn, Michigan from Syria or wherever they're immigrant from, they are conservative, but yet vote left because that's who got them here. And they want their family here. Ah, I see. Well, at least that's the plan. And that's what Andrew was saying. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Wicked smart.

Kind of a, I would have a, and he would just pick me apart if I ever tried to argue with him. He kind of picks everyone apart, really. I mean, for the most part. Unless you have seen those few clips out there, which Pete did point out to me when I first brought up reviewing this podcast. And they are clips that I've seen. They were the only fans one and then the one where he couldn't open the pickles. I think they're all only fans girls. But one of them he couldn't open the pickles.

There was another lady he was talking to where he was calling her a bitch. Is that the snizz eater, he was saying? Yeah, it was something. Because he like, she brought up his wife. It was, yeah, he got unnecessarily rude. Kind of got childish. A little childish. It's like, n'uh.

You are. Yeah. I know you. You eat sniz. Which is always a bonus in my book. right it's not it's not you can't take anything from anybody when you say that yeah the pickle one was great though you got it all greasy yeah i i almost feel like for all of the good things that we'll say about him in this episode which we will because i i did think that he looked good on this episode and he got to kind of shine

for his um debating skills and he really got to show off you know his knowledge for the type of kind of political thinking that he had. And, you know, he has been standing out in that debate world for his kind of logic. And people don't like going up against him. I mean, Dave Smith got kind of wrecked by him recently. And Dave Smith is pretty good at this. Yeah. So he's unusually good.

He likes to bring up objective truth. Yeah, it would be interesting to see him against Nick Fuentes. That would be interesting. What would they even argue about? Maybe it would be close to the same page. There would be some things. There would be some things. Wilson's not quite as extreme.

Nick's not too agreeable so they could probably disagree about some stuff. They'd find a way. They'd find a way to argue. Yeah, they'd find a way. But I think also I may put the pickle clip. Just to balance out the positive. Put the pickle clip up there. It's too good.

It's like, bro, you need to just back off and say, Damn, I can't do this one. This must be on here. Do you tighten it when you were doing it? Like something. Look, I hate to say, you don't go to the gym enough, dude. Your grip strength is not strong. He's a pair of hair.

His jiu-jitsu is probably weak. Uh-oh. Sorry to say it. Break his wrist. His kettlebell work is probably lousy. I bet his arm wrestling isn't great. He smokes too many more those marble reds and drinks too much whiskey. Yeah, come on.

He's being a man's man, though. He was a gunsmith. That's pretty manly. That's pretty sweet. And built, what, did he say built robots, too? I think he serviced, yeah, automated manufacturing processes in factories for food. So, yeah, worked with robots. Worked with robots.

No. Golly. He's your hair. Robots don't look like you would think that they look. Like, don't tell me what I think robots look like. They're not all sex robots out. And at the same time, I'm, I was. Just imagining only the Terminator.

Yeah. It's all I think about it. So you work on the Terminator. So you work on the Terminator, all of them just red eyes working around a factory. How did you get the red eyes? What are the red eyes about? Dun, dun, da, done, da, all right. So he talks about democracy versus managed populations.

And this is an interesting one. And this is something that I've been playing with for a while because I'm wondering, and not to get two out there. Okay. But I'm wondering, like, is democracy really an illusion? Like, they let us vote. We do vote. Is it all that real?

Meaning, even when they switch the government, you know, like president goes Republican or Democrat or whoever we put in, it's like, well, the candidates themselves, it seems like we're picking them, but they kind of put the candidates they want in place for us. You know? It's like, and we saw that with Hillary and Bernie. Like people liked Bernie, but they still pushed him out and got Hillary in there. It's like stuff like that. Those maneuverings are happening all the time. Probably Jeff. Epstein.

Yeah. Jeff. And then, you know, so now you're down to just the Republican Democrat. And then if you are a Democrat or Republican, you really don't have a choice at that point because you're either going with your party line. Right. And so you vote your person in. And the military industrial complex is going to do whatever they're doing anyway. They don't really care if the president is.

They just like tell them, look, we really need to invade this country and this is why. So if you can just be cool with it and just let us do it because we're doing that. You can make some laws about like the schools, you know, or like rattle on about abortion. But we got to take these guys out. It's for national security. Exactly. And we can't tell you about the U.S. The what? No, shh. Sorry, I've said too much.

The reverse engineering that's going on. So the big thing is, is modern democracy largely symbolic? It seems to be that way. And what does that leave us with? We live in an oligarchy. We live in a capitalistic oligarchy, basically. Right. Ruled by rich elite pedophiles, as it turns out.

A lot of them seem like they might be. What's that about? I think the honest people in our government, I think we've, Joe's had them on, I'm pretty sure Bernie is one. Bernie's solid. Then there's Ron Paul, Rand Paul.

I like Rand, yeah. He seemed like really, there's a two separate sides of the aisle. Yeah. I'd vote for either one of those guys. Sure. And then I guess I like just. Tulsi.

Tulsi. Hot. Yeah. God bless you. And smart. I don't want to just throw hot and be like that's the only thing. She's a complete package.

She's got a, she's a hotie with a, body. She's a brain. She's a wonderful lady I'd vote for. And also Massey. I think he's a true genuine patriot as well. There's some good ones out there. Yeah. And you know, there's probably more good ones than we even give credit for as well. I do have hope. But it's hard to shine. Well, they are also told where to and how to vote. So even if you are good and you still vote along party lines say like when they were trying to ban you know establish legal minimums for CP they you know um child sex abuse stuff oh yeah it was like all voted down with and the

democrats they all voted against it so there's got to be some good ones but why are they voting that way you're doing bad stuff yeah that's not good what's going on that i don't know come come out. Come on, come out, guys. Yeah. So it's an illusion. We just vote for the same coin. We vote for the same coin. It's just two sides of the same coin. Yeah. It's almost like voting offers some sort of psychological buy-in more than like real influence, if that makes sense. It's like, oh, I feel like I'm doing something.

Yeah. You know? It's almost like when my two-year-old daughter is like in the kitchen and wants to help and i'm like yeah just you know here you go i crack an egg in a bowl and like let her mix it with a little fork before i make breakfast but all it does is like slow the whole process down her mixing is to be fair and no offense to her subpar subpar mixer subpar i mean you got to get a good whiskin to get a solid scramble ready whip that thing in a soft peaks and at one in three quarters just doesn't have the wrist strength no it's mostly just splashing it all over.

She's getting there, doing the right thing. Get her in there early. And that's it. You come in and vote, and the politicians are like round of applause. Oh, thanks for coming. Your vote counts. All the votes count. We start to notice stuff, and they're like, what about the immigrants?

And then people get crazy. What about the trans rights? People just lose their mind while they're passing these laws. Invading Greenland. Giving eight billion to companies. Sure. And countries. And again, they can brush it off as like, oh, no, that's.

That's just conspiracy. And don't worry about that. The voting's real. And, you know. Don't give me sorry about Minnesota. Those guys up there. I think they're doing exactly what we're talking about with the influx of their voting populace, the census, padding the numbers, keeping that mayor in there. I don't like him.

Yeah, you don't like him. I don't like that guy. I don't think the... Can't dance. You can't dance. I don't think that police chief likes him much either. He keeps throwing that police chief under the bus. He's like, we're going to fight the ice.

And the police chief is like, we're going to what? He's like in the background just, uh, they got pulling his. Yeah. Calla. It's hot in here? What? Do I have any PTO left going on vacation? He should just retire.

Yeah, I don't know what's going on. And then Waltz, of course. Typical it's in his state. And there's like crazy assassinations going on have been, have it happened over there. that lady who's voting against free health care for immigrants refugees for life

she voted against that the one Democrat in his state and then two weeks later she was gunned down by that guy in the Walter White mask turned out to be a waltz a waltz guy really do you remember that

oh they drove the cop car yes now what was the deal with him they got him right it seemed like a very professional hit it seems pretty professional I don't think it was the guy that they got is a patsy. Really? He took the fall. Because this guy, like, did everything right. He went out the back. He, like, army crawled. He just disappeared.

And then they, then they see him later with, like, a big cowboy hat on. And it was very interesting. They love those patsies, don't they? They're easy to get. I don't know how they get him to, to, to, uh, take the fall. I think you just get, you just get people that are, like, easily persuasive. and maybe like super gullible with like probably like average to lower than average IQs. But high loyalty? Yeah, or just like, they just crumble.

Like you see like the syringe attack on Ilhan Omar? No, what was that? At a town hall, she was squirted with a mysterious substance. So it was, if it could have been acid or, you know, anything. But she just kept her clothes on. And hugged her constituencies after the thing. And it turned out to be apple cider vinegar. And the guy that did it, they didn't scrub the internet from all his affiliations with her.

He was on her payroll. He'd been paid. I don't know. Maybe fact check me if you can. So the whole thing was just a stunt? It's a stunt. For a bunch of attention. Because she's going down for that $5 million winery that doesn't exist.

Oh. That's worth five million, but there's no bottles, no inventory. But what did she want to get out of that fake attack? Just a bunch of sympathy. Obfuscation. Just look over here. Don't look. See, it's MAGA.

That's the evil people. Oh, that's pretty smart politics. I'm ruined. I can believe nothing. Well, either side is just lying to me. Apple's side of vinegar, though. Just use some actual... Bleach.

Like car acid. Do bleach. That's like... Battery acid. It wouldn't do anything to his skin, really. Battery acid does nothing. It's... It'll like burn the coat.

It'll look cool. Yeah. At least get a bit of an effect and then be like, ah, take your coat off real fast. It has that clue of the building. They treated it like a dangerous substance, but she didn't. She was like, kept her clothes on. Does that look how brave I am?

Hugging people. I'm an American hero. What a true American. Yeah. That is so lame. It was lame. What a lame plan. All those plans fall apart.

fall apart. Who was that actor? Remember, pretended he got beat up in New York? Jesse Smollett. He had a noose around his neck and his subway sandwich. Two Nigerians. It was all MAGA or something. Chappelle has an awesome bit about that. He's like just imagining two Nigerians attacking him and he's like, this is mega country. What a terrible plan. It's like you're. You don't get enough attention as it is, Mr. Hollywood, that you go and do that. Yeah, he was on top of the world at that point. Right.

What did he think he was going to gain from it? He was going to be like the political savior somehow? Just me, me, me, me, me, me, energy. Pick me. Unreal. I'm the victim. Well, at least come up with a better plan. None of those plans work.

What do you think that they don't have, like, actual investigators that can do decent jobs? Any plan that relies on someone keeping silent that's not a professional is doomed to fail. Yeah, that one, that's dog shit plan. That's how I described that one. He's done. He's been done since then. Nobody. But now, they're using that as a term for people that small at themselves. Like, they play the victim and they get caught.

Oh, they smell that. He has his own urban dictionary. Yeah, there was another one. Oh, I can't recall the details. It's happening pretty frequently. Like the lady who, like, found a noose on her desk, and then the FBI tested it for DNA because they went that high. They tested it for DNA, and she had tied it herself.

And they always tie them incorrectly, but... Yeah. I mean, they're hard to do. There's a lot of round-or-rounds. People don't know knots anymore. We're losing our skills, aren't we? Losing our skills. I'm going on about... I'm going off rails here.

No, no, it's true. It is true. On not skills are terrible. Mine are okay. All right. Show off. Show off. Free speech and censorship.

That's a big one. These guys are obviously big free speech guys. I mean, they talk for a living, so they have to be. And, you know, there is a bit of a fight in a battle for that now. And it has been for some time. It seems like free speech is pulled the head to come back. I mean, Trump was a big part of that. Things really changed.

For all the things that people are very upset about Trump, you know, with Trump about now, and, you know, all the promises that were underdelivered after he came into office and I get it. But one thing's for sure is he did really flip around the DEI stuff and, you know, free speech came rocket. back and... Well, I think it's still under attack. Oh, it still is. It always will be. There's always people that want to control what we're saying. It's, I mean, they, we have jailed.

Now we have set the precedent of jailing people for their tweets here in the United States. There's been two, I think, that have been... In the US? Yeah. What are they jailed? What's an illegal tweet? Yeah, I don't know exactly, but they shot one old guy for a tweet maybe three, four years ago.

They shot somebody? Yeah, he maybe he was maybe a little, like, he was kind of inflammatory. But he was on the edge of free speech, like you can't threaten anybody. You can't call for violence to people. He may have been doing that. But they showed up to his house, raided it. He wouldn't come out and they ended up killing him. Well, free speech doesn't cover if you, like, incite violence, I think.

If you're like, I'm going to kill this person. The Miami mayor sent his detectives. some detectives to his opponent's house because she was this mayor of Miami is a fan of Israel and his

opponent or another politician over there had mentioned that he was for the um ledgenocide in Gaza okay and they went to her house and was like this you and they

have been doing that oh so we are on the verge here yeah well Australia is real bad for that, and England has been getting pretty bad for that. I don't know what the rest of Europe's like, but I'm pretty sure they're quite strict. Germany's pretty strict, from what I understand. So I'm reading here, the First Amendment strongly protects free speech. But what's unprotected is true threats.

So, you know, naming a target or a time or a method. and then inciting or incitement to immediate violence that one makes sense encouraging people to commit violence right now right in a way likely to happen

I've seen that on TikTok the people of Minnesota are like don't just don't just protest riot don't just push a cop kill a cop

they should be arrested they're saying that stuff yeah that's not protected by the First Amendment from what I understand here. Yeah. Another one, harassment or stalking. Okay. Can't do that.

Okay. So don't tweet about that. That's not protected. Next up, conspiracy or coordination of crimes. Using Twitter or X to plan, coordinate, or encourage criminal acts. What about those signal chats that their people are having that are coordinating those? There are riots up in Minnesota. peacefully protesting.

Yeah, well, technically they're private. So, um, that I think because they're private, that's different. A little harder to get the true details. Well, I don't think it's illegal to text people things that aren't covered by the First Amendment.

Oh, so to post it to social, it is, because that's the same as saying it, like, out loud. First Amendment is like, it's protected speech. speech therefore is like not private conversation you know that makes sense actually you know assuming um what else false reports or hoaxes that's illegal yes can't make false reports

oh man whoops do we need to delete your twitter yeah okay and then witness intimidation or obstruction of justice standing in the way of the police with a tweet printing out your tweets putting them on a giant billboard and then putting that

billboard in the way of a police officer's car maybe that's a bad example right to jail right to jail get them to jail lock them to jail lock them up straight to jail believe it or not right to jail right to jail so yeah that's kind of the things that you wouldn't be covered for in the United States.

And, you know, that makes sense. Those things are solid and it should be that way, I think. Yeah. I support how the First Amendment is written. And, you know, it's worked for a long time. I think it's a good rule of thumb. It's worked through multiple, multiple generations, different times, and things have changed and societies have changed.

And there we go. Everything kind of functions. that way. And there are, there is still some messy language. And it's not perfect. Who is it the, uh, nothing is. What's that, what's that to, the ACL, the, or the, uh, the free speech advocates. I forget the name of those people. NACP. Yes. They protected Nazis rights to riot or not riot, but March. Right. Back in like the 70, 60s maybe. And they hated the Nazis. And yeah, because they're, you know, black and they're, they're, they're, they're, they love, the marginalized. Right. But they protected their rights to do that. But they, they, but now they are

fighting against that kind of stuff. They are kind of turning into anti-free speech advocates. Right. Because things have changed. You know, things change. People's ideas. Not always for the better. Yeah. If we have to protect the, we have to protect the worst speech, so all speech will be allowed. Yes. And that's, that's a little bit of what's missing. So I think Wilson's point to that is, is yes, that's the argument. And that's why it's such a difficult argument because the people that are against it,

like any speech that is hate for should stop. And it's kind of hard to argue that because you're like, yes, hateful speech hurts people's feelings. That should stop. There we go. Everything's good now. Well, then you've got the people that are fighting for free speech and they're saying, no, we should be able to say anything

because then it allows for freedoms. and then, yes, there will also be bad speech, but it's something that we just allow so that the freedoms can exist. And we just have to tolerate some of these bad speaking moments. And the argument against that is like, why? Also, who decides what's bad?

That's also the point too. And you get into that. Yeah. Because they want their guys to decide, They want their guys, the other people want their guys to decide. The censorship bit only works for the people that want censorship if they're in charge of the censorship. Exactly. If they're not, and it's the people they want to censor that's in charge, they're going to censor them.

And now they don't want this. You know, that's why it's bullshit. That's why we need the blanket free speech. That's why it doesn't work because it's one group telling another group you can't say this. And that's not how it works. That kind of segues into Andrews talking about, what is it called, suicidal empathy. Oh, yeah. Remember that bit?

Uh-huh. Where you can be so compassionate towards a person or a group to the detriment of all the other groups. And that's kind of seems like that's happening in this case with the migrant crisis. Yeah, give an example of that. For instance, if 10 million people came over here, and that's a low number, 8% are speculated to be violent criminals. 8% of 10 million is quite a bit. 80,000. Those people can do irreparable damage to our society.

It's a lot of people. It's important to have some hard rules, like the free speech thing, where we just say, you got to come over here legally. We need to know where you are. Think about it. That would be like over 15. thousand people per state if we spread them out. Or a very middle-sized city of psychopaths. Because most of the violent crime is done by people that are on the psychopathic path, that spectrum.

And they ruin it for a lot of us. So that's a huge number. So that's suicidal empathy. Letting people flood in without checking them is just by fact bad. Right. If you look at it like that They went into that quite a bit Yeah

And that is I mean that's a massive problem To put together And people don't want to look at that You know I mean It's It is one of those things

And tracking those Problematic people is super important And it's hard to do I'm still trying to get you deported What? I didn't mean to say that I'm here to stay I'm here to stay

You had your anchor baby and you're sticking around. I put my work in, okay? I came back the right way. Yes, you did. I did it wrong and then I did it right later. That's a joke. I was young before. You've heard my feelings.

Well, you did it like many do with their parents. Exactly. So let's just make sure we crack down on the butt. Mm-hmm. Do the Rand Paul way. I like his method. Oh, yeah, that's right. He liked, uh, it's like if you're,

working. If you're working, you're not a criminal. Come on. Let's let you let you hang. Your children could be citizens potentially, but you, sorry, you can work and pay taxes and be protected, but you're still a green card holder. A big part of a lot of his arguments are like the kind of cultures require fixed moral foundations. Like he's always like throwing that angle out. as like a base. And then, you know, he talks to people like Destiny who he hates. I can't remember that nickname he had for Destiny. Oh, I forgot.

Joe, Joe hadn't heard of it either. But it was like something like a muffin or. I don't know. Just like something. Yeah, he just thinks he's like heathen. Just like. Yeah, he would he would collapse our government and our nation if he could.

Right. And, you know, that's kind of how he looks at him. He's like that's moral decay behavior. Like suicidal empathy Sure And it's like It just doesn't work Like you have to have this like

You know Objective truth Yeah There are some stuff There are things that are true And he argues that pretty eloquently Right It's like moral relativism

Vers moral absolutes And he's like Moral relativism destabilizes societies Like you just sees it like that Almost Yeah it's like Well we need to protect

All people's religions But what if your religion practices female genital mutilation on a regular basis. Yeah. That's pretty much, we got to protect the children. Mm-hmm. Well, they talk about that tribe in Africa. And it's like, or wherever that tribe is, where they, you know, molest the young boys.

Oh, New Guinea. Right. Papa New Guinea, I think. And, you know, they're like, well, that's a different culture. We just have to respect these different cultures. And he's like, no, that's wrong. It's just wrong, right? We're not doing that.

That's not cool. We've got to teach him something else. And, you know, people can have a lot to say about Western cultures just moving into places and saying, we don't like the way you do things. We're going to change it. But this is how he sees it. He's just like, no, I don't feel it should go like this. That one's pretty hard to argue against. That one is.

That's an extreme case. And, yeah. I think when you use those kind of extreme examples, though, I mean, you're really making a heavy point, too. It's like, well, there you go. This is kind of what I'm talking about. Yeah, should we, I mean. But that's what he's saying. He's saying kind of like negotiated morality leads to decay.

And I guess there's, I guess there's some balance there on how negotiated it is. But you know, you take someone like Destiny and he's negotiating all of it. He's like, no, let's have, you know, open relationships and, you know, my girlfriend can sleep with five guys and I'll be okay with it. And yeah, sure, Destiny, all of that worked out great for you. Is that what happened with him? Oh, they're terrible. There's like a lot of like cuck behavior and just an absolute mess. And then some, I can't remember if he was married or not, but it was just like this weird divorce or breakup and just disaster.

all of it was just horrible. And, you know, there's a part of me that felt for the guy. I was like, that must have sucked. Oh, I remember this now, yeah. That must have sucked. Yeah, I remember that controversy. I'm like, maybe don't do any of that. Totally opened up the relationship.

Only she was getting laid and then. He just had to watch. Yeah. She was like constantly banging some Spanish dude for this whole vacation. He's just like playing with a Rubik's cube in the corner. know. You know, he's a part of the spectrum on how not to do it. Don't do that.

Don't do that. That's not the way to do it. It seems like any time you open up a relationship, but it just destroys it. Yeah, there's probably good, like, reason why that would happen. I mean, probably accurate from the caveman days. We had the stuff is human stuff. It's not societal. Yeah.

Yeah. Pick one and stick with her or him. Or them. For sure. Whoa, what did you think about? I found this interesting when they talked about Catholicism and like how we like people often blame Catholicism for things. And they're just like, oh, yeah, well, there's rape in the church or like, oh, Catholicism did this. And he's like, you can't, it's not like reasonable to judge Catholicism with the church when it spanned such a vast.

of space and time. Right. Countries. And like all these nations, all these countries, you know, like laws and nations and spanned over time. And then all of a sudden you judge it on all of these things that it's done while it basically oversaw the creation of a big part of how society works today in a lot of ways. It was a government. Especially Europe. It was a government.

It was a religion. It was a warring machine. I found that quite interesting, though, because that actually is quite compelling. And I'm not here sticking up for Catholicism, believe me. But that is actually quite reasonable in a sense. It's like, yeah, if you are all of the world's, or 90% of the world's government at one point or ruling body, then yeah, you're to blame for 90% of everything bad that's happening. Because you're doing it all. Yeah.

But then you're also 90% of all the good. You're 90% of all of the things. You're all of it. They still do the most charity work successfully. And you give to a certain Catholic charity, you know, you pretty much know that it's going to the destination. It's not going to go in somebody's pocket.

Okay. Maybe. Maybe. So it's not like... Yeah, I was... That was just an interesting point. I'd never looked at it like that. You know?

It's like a... course they had the Spanish Inquisition. Are we still holding that against them? Maybe we should. It's pretty bad though. Those guys were rough. It was pretty bad. That was not a good time.

I was listening to something about their torture tactics and... Tickling? I can't believe that we did that to each other. That's unbelievable. Dude, if there is, if anything you could imagine in the way of torture, like just, if he sat there and just imagined something horrible, we in the past, we in the past, we, probably invented it and tried it. And they perfected it and made worse.

Yeah. There was a time where people really thought hard about these sorts of things. That is horrific to think about. It was like an industry. There was an R&D program for this. And they did that to people. Yeah. No culture is free of that, though.

No religion is free of that. Right. No state is free of that. Do you ever see the Monty Python where they have the Spanish Inquisition? No. And they like, but they make them, it's not torture. It's like nice. They make them sit on comfy chairs and give them pillows and make them tea.

And then it's like a little old lady. And they're like, ah, what do you think now? And they're like, oh, it's quite nice. I'll have to look at that one. It's great. I'll put a link to that actually in the bio as well. That and the pickle opening will be the two kind of unrelated and unnecessary links that will come with this podcast. But overall, I think that Wilson was pretty solid on.

this. I'm trying to think what else did they go over? They went over some media stuff and like how the media is just kind of bullshit. Don Lemon showing up to the ice protest and being like giving Starbucks out to everyone and being like

why he's ice parked over there when he was parked in the middle of the street. Don Lemon's an idiot. He literally is a lemon. He's a little people. Do over. Mulligan. Do that one over. He's a hilarious. I saw him arguing

with the Mexican citizen immigrant legal lady who was against all this going on. She's for ICE or for the protecting our borders. And he just could not argue. She was like, it's a crime, right? He's like, it's not a crime.

It's a misdemeanor. He's literally not smart. He's pretty dumb. If he doesn't have a teleprompter or someone writing his stories, it's really bad. Imagine how easily Andrew Wilson would tear him to pieces in a debate. Yeah.

I mean, it would be just ridiculous. He'll be in court on Friday, I think, for that. They're bringing charges against him for going to that church and kind of embedding with that mob. Who? Don Lemon. Is that true? Yeah. Oh.

This week, I think he's facing his arraignment because they arrested him. For going that. And in Los Angeles, they arrested him. Oh, well, there you go. Yeah. What a dumbass. I'd probably avoid all. repercussions. He probably will.

He's probably got good connects. He's rich and has lawyers and stuff. Yeah, no doubt. But anyway, yep, it was solid. Let's jump over to the online fan reaction. This one, one of the most polarizing

comment sections I've seen in a long time. They're all over the place. I mean, it was. Yeah. People, I mean, people have a lot of feelings towards Andrew in general. You know, love him or hate him. He's too abrasive. He's like straight in your face. He is. Even if you like some like mostly his politics, just the way he goes about it, he's not in it to make

friends. And then he's always smoking, which I think pisses people off too. I can't stand just in general. Yeah. It's like, you're on a podcast, dude. Can't you wait till the end of the podcast? He's all stressed out smoking. Marlboro. Argue, arguing. Um, though on the positive end, supporters praise the clarity, the confidence structure. Critics accuse Wilson of ideology over evidence, which, you know, a bit of that's true. Repeated calls for Joe to have pushed harder. And that's kind of reasonable. And yeah, and some of the comments of the week, you don't have to agree to learn something.

Confidence isn't the same as truth. Interesting. Joe letting him talk is the whole point. I kind of like that. Right. Like just, that's why you have him on, let him talk. Yeah. And this felt like a sermon, not a conversation.

That's... I don't know if I agree with that last one. Maybe an anti-religious person wrote that. As soon as anyone mentions God even once, the non-religious people get... They can get pretty upset. They get triggered. Overall rating for this, ran it through the algorithm,

gave it a 7.5 out of 10. I'm giving this at 6.5. But I was interested, you know, and I think I'm slightly more pro Andrew Wilson. I thought he was a bit of, I don't know what I thought of him before this part. I seen him debate a few times. I knew he was pretty good at it. I did see the pickle thing, which didn't play well with me. hilarious. It was hilarious. It's not how I'd have done it. Didn't play well. And he's picked up a few

points. And I like some of his logic. I like the way that he thought through some things and broke it down. And anyone that makes fun of Don Lemon, solid with me. So a couple of points. Easy W for you. Yep. And yeah, I mean, this episode is a reminder that certainty is persuasive, especially when the world feels unstable. label, whether that certainty is earned is the real question. That's kind of my overall takeaway. Any last words on this one, Pete? Not particularly.

I am kind of right there with you. This episode kind of let me know more about him. I got to get inside his head a little bit more. Nice. Not just being railed against by people. There you go. And on that note, thank you all for listening. We appreciate it.

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