Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 543 JRE Review of Jesse Michels

Episode Date: September 15, 2026

Jesse Michels returns to the Joe Rogan Experience for another deep dive into UFOs, consciousness, government secrecy, and the strange line between physical reality and the unexplained. Joe and Jesse get into the signal-versus-noise problem surrounding UFO evidence, alleged encounters and abductions, remote viewing, psychedelics, ancient civilizations, and whether some of the mystery surrounding the phenomenon might be deliberate. Sponsors: Get 25% off your first order from Zazzle by visiting www.zazzle.com Rocket Money: Go to RocketMoney.com/JRER to cancel unwanted subscriptions, monitor your spending, lower your bills, and grow your savings. Hims: Go to Hims.com/JRER for simple online access to personalized, affordable care for ED, hair loss, weight loss, and more. For more Rogan exclusives support us on Patreon patreon.com/JREReview www.JREreview.com For all marketing questions and inquiries: [e-mail] Please email us here with any suggestions, comments and questions for future shows.. [e-mail]

Hey guys and welcome to another episode of the JRE review. This week we got a good old fashioned UFOE type Rogan one to review. Jesse Michaels. The guy's good. It's an old school episode. It really is. It's got that old school feel. And I mean, Jesse's great.

He remembers everything. Everyone's name, every obscure person, all the facts. Like, they didn't even need Jamie to be Googling. anything. Yep. It's crazy they had that recall. It's interesting that you can do that. Yeah. He's a smart guy. He's an alien. How cool of a job would that be? I mean, look, Rogan's got a great job, but a lot of that is also because he gets paid so much money. But let's say we take the money out. Would you rather be talking to all different people all the time? Or would you rather have a pod where you just get to stay like really pretty focused on UFOs, that cutting edge info.

And then he also covers other stuff, like just really kind of any wild story. I like the wild stories versus depressing vaccine topics. Yeah. I like anything to do with those fringe elements like the Graham Hancock's. This guy, Jesse Michaels, anything that's just a little bit out there. If it was just aliens, I don't think I would get tired pretty quick. That's true. But it's, well, mainly because, you know, not much is happening with it.

That's the problem. It's like we're not getting much closer to something. I think it would be way more interesting if like each year we're getting, you know, oh, we finally found a craft or an orb or. Okay, now we know they exist. What else do we know about them? But it just seems like the same kind of speculated stuff, just with more stories. It's slow going.

It seems like, and now it's kind of boring to a lot of people since the government has kind of come out to say that, yeah, they are aliens. Uh-huh. Now it's a little less fun of a speculation. Right. Almost like people don't trust it anymore because, the government has said, oh, yeah, we've, there's some disclosure. It definitely made Joe suspicious. And I get what he's saying, you know.

I mean, it also doesn't help that with each of these disclosure, what have they done, like six different sets of disclosure, videos and information. And it's just the same scrambled bullshit. It's like the videos aren't getting any better. It's like they've lined all these up years ago. go and they're like, we just feed everyone this crap. Trickle it through, trickle it out. They went into the Brazilian alien, right?

That one boggled my mind. Yeah. Have you not seen the documentary on that one? I have to watch it. I don't know what it is. It's really, really good. God, what is the name of that place? It's like Virginia or something?

Well, maybe we can link it in the show. Yeah. And then I'll take a look at it. It sounds like Virginia, but Virginia. It's a, yeah. The story is crazy, dude. So there's a bunch of people in that town that sold this thing. And I don't, I think it may have been a crash or, or like a ship lands. Somebody saw that. And then these creatures were like running through the town. Didn't. And it was a long to injure. Right. And was taken. And was taken. into the hospital. The person that carried it to the hospital got this crazy bacterial infection and died. Some doctor actually treated it or something potentially or at least saw it. These three young girls saw it. You know, a lot of people all describing it kind of the same, like tall, lizardy-looking, red eyes. Like, was it? And there's a, and it's, there's a memorial in the town to it. Oh, yeah. They, you know, the thing about down in parts of South American, they're not, they don't have that same kind of like cover it all up bullshit going on. They were like almost proud of it.

They're like, yep, this happened. Here it is. They don't have a repressive government in other ways. Of course, yeah, of course. They're not powerful enough to repress that. Like, yeah, not much. What would the town have been killed, you know, if it landed in the United States and all? all these people saw it, would the town have just been, like, wiped off the math?

Oh, they would have men in black to everybody for sure. They can't afford that. Project Blue Book would have come in and just like, ah, we got to get rid of these people. Put acid in the water. Everyone just freaks out. But this story is wild. I mean, it's probably one of the best kind of widespread covers a whole town type incident. and supposedly an Air Force, U.S. Air Force plane, or a couple of them,

flew down very shortly after, supposedly took the body. That's the thought. I believe it. So they paid off enough people and they're like, we need this. We're doing research on this. This guy's coming with us. It's crazy to think that we might have like a little, you know, zoo of these things somewhere. Probably all dead now, but

You know, there's reports of finding remains and live entities going back to Roswell. Uh-huh. Roswell, they were supposedly found three, I think, grays, the short grays.

Right. And it was a weather balloon. Don't worry about it. I hope we treated them well, so they don't get mad at us. We're immediately probing them. How do you like it? They're like, we come in,

peace we're just all take it. I mean, they've been visiting the earth for millennia. There's cave paintings of animals being abducted and people being dropped off and people being abducted from saucers.

And they straight up look like UFOs. Yeah. The cave folks painted what they saw. Beautiful women's bodies, beautiful wildebeest bodies. Right. Aliens. Well, they certainly drew things

that were important to them. You know, it's not like all of a sudden they just had this great sci-fi imagination. It seems out of it. It does seem like me. Wild. But yeah, this whole government thing with the disinformation, I don't know what to think of it. And now with AI, like they talked about that, that's obviously getting worse. You can just AI videos left and right.

And you really can't believe any video you see Uh-uh So really some of the most compelling stuff That's come up recently is those orbs they've found And what's the deal with those? Well Supposedly they've found eight of them Right

And this one recently in Mexico Struck a power line And deactivated and like fell to the ground And somebody found it And it's only like the size of a bowling bowl Okay And there's videos of them kind of floating around. And they've done some carbon dating on it.

So it has like these wild images on it. One looks like it has a circuit board on the front and some sort of like pretty ancient language. And I don't think they've deciphered that. But there's a resin next to the little dots by the circuit board. and they say when they examined it there's like actual fiber optics in there and the resin itself carbon dated to 12,000

years old how do you explain that is it hasn't this been traveling around the earth has it been traveling through space has it traveled through time but the way we know about carbon dating is the what is the loss

of carbon 14 from a substance I think carbon 13 and is the radioactive isotope. Oh, is it 14 that we did use to date? Well, regular carbon, I think, is carbon 12. And then carbon 13 is the radioactive one, because it has an extra, I don't, what is that proton on there?

So are these orbs like messages? You know, like are they, why, do they have any glyphs on them at all? So, like, is it there to teach us something? Are they drones they send through space time? Are they future humans sending these? Who knows? Maybe the guy that, like, owns all of the bowls needs to have some writing on the outside, so he knows which one does what.

Okay. Like, this one gets my groceries. This one goes to the ocean. This one tricks populations. Yeah. It's just a bit of instructions on that for sure. But I don't know, dude. That to me is the most compelling stuff that I've seen recently.

And can they kind of go over it? Can they scrape some metal off of there and test it? They have done it. And it's the outer casing is made of an alloy that we don't use. We haven't seen that before. Like no aerospace people use it. And they don't really know why that composite is necessary. you know

maybe this radiation or something yeah I'm just like can't you just cut it open I guess that would like ruin it but you know look inside there's got to be some stuff in there

maybe they're worried about whatever is in there getting out what do you think of being an egg probably like some terrible radioactive material a new plague this curses humanity. Yeah.

I don't know. It's hard to say. But what did you think of the Betty and Bonnie Hill story? So Rogan's talked about this quite a bit. In fact, I think the niece of one of them, or like the granddaughter of one of them, is now a female UFC fighter and came on Rogan. And it wasn't until after they did their interview,

they talked, she happened to mention that she's related to one of them. And Rogan was like, why didn't you bring that up on the show? Forget, MMA, who would have talked about this for three hours. Yeah, they bring up a good point about how we remember things. Yeah. Yeah, that does make it, I mean, since those drawings that they did was so similar to the Outer Limits episode. And it was also, what, four years after the year, event that they were hypnotized and had this like memory regression it makes it makes it difficult but i mean

rogan brought up some good points there they were really the first abduction case big one that was reported and it lines up with so many afterwards like missing time and um you know those sorts of things so it's it's like quite compelling for that reason unless all the other abduction cases just kind of stole ideas from them well we they must have been I mean on the go to go back to those cave drongs they looked the same too

they have big heads buggy eyes little limbs so it's a common theme that they look like that so maybe when they saw them they looked like that right there's a bit of an Occam's Razor application there the simplest explanation could be that's what they saw yeah the outer limits episode freaked me the heck out when i was like younger it was so good wasn't i i used to watch that a lot in the

90s actually i guess they i don't know if it just kept going or they like reinvented the show a couple times yeah but it was good i preferred that over the twilight zone personally now yeah i think um there's a i think a scene in that one where he's going he's going he's scared and he's going to turn on a light switch. He's reaching his hand in to turn on a light switch and an alien hand covers his as he turns the switch on. My God.

Gives me chills to this day. It used to get me every time. I love those, dude. I was obsessed. And then the X-Fars came out and that just, that took over. Kind of ruined my sleep for years. Mm-hmm.

I couldn't stop watching it, though. Yeah. I liked it a lot. Oh, they brought up that mushroom that's been kind of going around online where you see the little people. Are we taking that mushroom? Huh? Are we going to take that mushroom? I mean, I'd give it a shot.

I like little people. Well, they said that they tested it and they're not, it doesn't even have, like, hallucinogenic compounds in that they can find. So it sounds like you don't even really. really trip other than you just see little people. So imagine if everything is just normal and then the little people are everywhere. What if I eat the mushroom? I see them here at my house and then I see one on your shoulder over this Zoom call. That would be interesting. Are they real?

Yeah. Could you see them if you're like watching a movie? In the movie? Yeah. They're just all over. Not the Wizard of Oz. That sounds like worth testing. Let's see.

Where would you get that from? Yeah, little tiny humanoid figures. They're in China, Southeast, Asian, Northern Philippines. And then it's something about if you don't cook them all the way. I guess they eat that mushroom quite often, but it's almost always cooked out of it. Would you eat over there knowing that those mushrooms exist? And if you had a mushroom dish, you eat it?

Yeah. I would assume they cook it right. Maybe I'd check. They're boiled properly. Uh-huh. You cook this? Cook this well, bro. Another really alarming one, which makes you think a lot is that those two guys, and I guess he

interviewed them and like on his show was able to bring them kind of back together to meet each other again. And they were, I guess, security. or MPs at a base and they went over to this nuclear weapon and it was like they saw that giant

red orb like the size of a Walmart and then like a black disc came out of it or black orb like the size of a golf cart and these little these aliens got out and then the next thing they remember

they were like eight miles away, three hours had disappeared. A full, were they, like, gone for like five days or something? Like, one of them had a full period, or am I confusing my stories? No, I think that was a different story. Where was that? Where was that? Do you remember? That was like all the loggers.

All like, yeah, all the loggers. And Travis Walton is that the guy's name? And they were just outworking. They didn't even get on that well. One of them got in a fight with another one that day. And then when they were leaving, they all saw this object. And Travis was taken for like a week. And then he just shows up in another part of the town.

And it just has this crazy story. It's a crazy abduction story. But the other guys were like, yeah, we went back. He went up to the craft and then he disappeared. He came on Rogan. He talked about the experience. And he has a book, I think. Yeah, I think so.

I have to read that one. So, I mean, you know, it doesn't sound, when he was talking on the pod, it doesn't sound like the type of guys that would come up with a story like that. Like, it didn't seem like he was looking for that type of publicity. Like, sure, it wasn't, like, a fun thing to do to just make up. Was in the late 70s or 80s? Yeah, people just thought you were insane if you said that. I think nowadays they don't abduct anymore.

They probably found out all they could find and don't need to zap us up. We haven't been hearing so much about abductions recently, have we? Maybe they got bored of it. I'm still onto the idea that they're future humans. You think? there's one the lady rocket scientist that went missing um spoke about how they're two types

P25 and P45 I think Oh that's right F 25, 5,000 future 25,000 Humans that come back and are interfering with us or accidentally did and she's gone out That kind of gives you some hope right? It's like I guess

AI doesn't wipe us out unless that coming back to tell us that AI really fuck things up for us. Maybe that's the one. The human interface with AI makes us become that sort of creature. Maybe our bodies are more resistant to radioactivity, some stuff like that.

Better for home, like, you know, if you go into stasis, maybe their bodies are better designed or evolved into the machine of AI to send themselves back. You got to wonder why they would even send themselves back, though. I mean, we're only a few years away from robots. Why wouldn't we just send robots back to give our message? I guess they could be.

It seems way safer. They might be organic robots. Like, they might be constructed. I mean, you know, cyborgs in a way. Sure. Yeah, that's possible, right? I think there's some speculation. That's what the grays might be.

might be just like genetically engineered uh drones in a sense it seems like there's like four or five types major types of species that we interact with yeah that's kind of like the UFO law right you've got like the viking looking guys the Nordics like rays the well the lizards of course the mantids those are scary mantids sound like the worst oh my gosh oh my gosh They can't be friendly. It's not judge a book by its cover, though. Come on. They're like really cool to hang out with.

He's a cool hang. Just grab a beer with them. Oh, so what do you think of the, and plenty of people I think believe this. I know Tucker does. J.D. Vance's, uh, aliens or angels and demons idea. Well, I, I don't know. I, what would you call the? them if you saw them a thousand years ago, if you saw them flying through the air or showing up with

those crazy eyes, I would say that's demon or if you're still flying through the air. Mm-hmm. This could be an angel. All those biblical references to weird chariots of fire and the floating orbs with a thousand wings and a thousand eyes. Yeah. Sounds a little alien-y. So I guess there's like a couple of things going on that.

One, it's like, well, okay. So we just gave them a name of the thing that we thought they could be, but they are still aliens. Okay. Or when we came up with the notion of angels and demons, we did it based on them arriving. That's what I think. That's what we think they are. And then we put it in all our religious texts. And then later, when people are like, oh, that's angels and demons.

they're actually saying the same thing. Yeah, like in reference to dragons over the millennia, people finding huge bones, what else would you call it? Exactly. So even though it is wacky to kind of consider it, but maybe it was just a naming issue. It's all in the name.

It's all on the game. I guess it still takes away from the fact that, like, the angels in this sense, they're coming here on ships, whether they go or bad. It's like, well, they're not coming from heaven, are they? And the demons aren't coming from hell. But maybe we just didn't know what those places were. The heavens is the sky above, and hell is generally associated with below the earth.

And when, like, 80% of the sightings of UFOs come out of the ocean. Maybe that's... And also, I mean, there's some Russian stories about meeting... underwater entities, having an underwater clash. All the humans die, I think, except for one who tells the tale. Mm-hmm.

Those stories are hard to discount. Didn't they say that Trump actually said they're in the ocean? I think he said something like, he like implied it. He says a lot of stuff. It's hard to keep track of all the jibber-jabber, he says.

Did you hear him talking recently saying, during 9-11 that he was like in the towers and was like some firemen said that we're going to carry you out and he's like I'm good but it's pretty well documented that he was not in there yeah he was not in there that's wild because he got the warning yeah right yeah well there's video of him later like coming down to the buildings yeah he was probably yeah a hundred guys in there I just wanted to make sure everything's good. It's like, why would you say that? And I guess just nobody calls him out anymore.

I think he's got that, he's got that degenerative brain issue going on, most likely. Well, you know, it's reasonable to think that anybody 80 and above, he is 80 now, right? I believe. Then, you know, you're definitely not running on all cylinders in your. faculties. Like, you're slowing down somewhere. Yeah. And he pumps so much fake sugar into his body every day with those Diet Coke's or whatever. You can't trust it. Maybe that's keeping him going. Maybe it turns out that Aspartain actually, Aspartain at 80. Good for you. Time will tell.

Yeah, yeah. You talk about ancient giants. Now, this has come up quite a bit, and we know some special forces guys or retired guys that served in Afghanistan. And I've talked to them and they just dismiss it immediately. Like, this is bullshit. This is stupid. But, you know, we've had a couple of guys on Rogan show now saying that, yeah, there's some giants over in Afghanistan.

The Candelahar giant, the red-headed one with two rows of teeth and six fingers and six toes. Yep. And like, what do you, how do you even? begin to make sense of that. I mean, could it be what like Odysseus came across or

like some ancient Greeks on some random island? Saw some big ass dudes and well the I think we would see them. Why wouldn't they just wander into a village and then somebody captures it on their iPhone?

The like Lovelock Cave in Nevada the Native Americans had a battle against them for years and finally killed them all. So they say. That cave has huge artifacts, like, you know, 20-pound hammerstones that would be impossible to use. Is that right?

Unless you were a huge guy. The Aztecs have codices depicting them dragging a huge human with its guts hanging out. There's just legends all over the world about giants. And so they, In Ohio, they unearthed graves. Some people say that contained 10 skeletons. All these numbers could be wrong. But some skeletons of giants and the Smithsonian took them and got rid of them.

Right. I've heard that Smithsonian story before. What do you think the motivation for that would be? Do you think it's pressure from other elements like the gun? government is like we don't want people to know this like they've been trying to steer history for a long time is there just like a blanket cover up where there's like certain things that can't be discussed like what would the motivation be it seems like that would be super interesting i mean it would prove if the smithsonian today had a giant on display with bones everyone's

going there dude oh yeah everybody it would be full as hell to see that i mean it would do a lot back in the day maybe it was proving the bible right in some of its passages so the burgeoning evolutionists and some atheists are in that group controlling the discourse of human narrative they don't want to prove those ancient texts correct in any way even if it's just that part that's correct it lends credence to that whole book i think it might have something to do with that. You think so? As I think about it, I do think so.

You're blaming the atheist. I'm blaming the people that the status quo archaeologists that wanted to write the narrative of human history and have to be right. To be fair, though, I mean, we just, we found dinosaur bones like, I don't know, how long ago, 200 years, not even that long ago. Found the first dinosaur bones. Well, we've been fighting them forever, but finally identifying them and scientifically, scientifically treating them. Yeah. But, I mean, with that in mind, it's like, we didn't try and hide that idea. There, was it on this episode about the Denisovans that could be like 30% larger than homo sapiens?

Oh, yeah, I think they did bring that up. Denisovans were probably giants and they had larger. brain capacities, larger skeletons. Why can we believe that there were all these different branches of the human evolution, but can't believe that one was a giant, or many of them were giants? Yeah. I mean, it's entirely possible that another branch was maybe more intelligent. I think they say that about Neanderthal, actually, that they had a few elements that made them

kind of biologically more advanced maybe their brains were slightly bigger or some of their processes but they think the advantage we had is language development we just have more sophisticated vocal

chords so we could I guess pass information better and therefore create technology I think that it was environmental factors. They were living in a inhospitable climate, the Neanderthals. Right. And isolated genetic groups.

We know there was like a few different places that they were. And they didn't have gene flow in or out. So they were breeding with each other. Then you get a new species maybe more violent than them, maybe prone to cannibalism a little more. right inside outside group stuff and we're just out competed they were just out competed I who knows exactly why they died off

but there's we we have the DNA in us so the pretty sure it was just like an interbreeding thing until they weren't you know pedigree Neanderthals left yeah 2% so like did

they go extinct if there's just 2% of us or 2% of our DNA that is meanderthal i kind of i don't know how much they did that well some amount if we have some of it i guess so yeah and especially if we dilute it with many more generations of interbreeding that must have started with a fairly large percentage right it would be like if one day there were no gingers left but people still had a percentage one could only hope in there. They're unstoppable, dude. You can't stop.

I think there was a theory for a while because of like how recessive all the phenotypes are for being redhead. But it just, you just can't stop them. No, they're stronger than ever. Beautiful strong people freckily. Mm-hmm. High pain tolerance. Yeah. There's giants existing today.

Yao Ming. He's like seven something. Yeah, isn't that usually like a human growth hormone issue though? I mean, breed him with a tall Chinese lady and you're going to get a tall Chinese child. It's true. Or any tall person, I guess. That would be a great experiment. You just only, you just build a town of seven foot tall people.

Shack is king, obviously. Obviously. He's jacking that. You can't make a free throw, but he can dunk. He can dunk. And then you just give him like four or five generations, and we see what happens. The dinka people in, I think it's, I don't know exactly where it is in Africa,

South Sudan maybe. Their median height for men and women is like six, five. Is that right? Yeah, the tallest ones are pushing eight feet. No. Let's fact check that. Let's look it up. Look it up.

Come on. Don't say that. We're waiting for the sponsorship. We're holding out until they pass. That's true. We just say some AI, but we're not telling you which one. Oh, we got to cover this before the end. The recent fears that are popping up about the AI stuff.

And we're going to talk about this later on in the week, because we have, what is it, Daniel Kukko to Joe or someone? I can't say his last name. But all these AI programmers from all these top companies are just saying these things are going to kill us all. So why are we racing to the finish line with this stuff? It can't stop. Because China.

We're addicted. But it's freaking people out, dude. It's freaking people out. People are seeing these memes and videos popping up on Instagram and TikTok and the rest of it. And, you know, it's really a lot of people that haven't been paying any attention to AI. And this is like the first big story they've heard. And it's going to start making a lot of preppers, I think. It's time to prep.

It's time to prep. I don't know how you prep for that. I'm digging a hole. I don't know. Aluminum foil. It's a lot of aluminum foil for something. Just the hat. A string, maybe, but a string?

It's the only way drones can't get. Wait, you've got to be pickling. If you're not pickling, you're way behind. You're way behind. You can't learn pickling on the fly, not with hunter-killer drones coming. I'm going to go integrating to the Amish. I'm starting now.

You see my beard. So I'm going to go get over there. That might be the move. What if the Amish are the like holdouts for humanity I don't see how AI is killing all those folks in Africa they don't even have cell phones They'd nuke them

Oh yeah okay Yeah it'd be like Terminator Just a worldwide nuclear winter Yeah well they just wait till all the factories Are set up with the robots And reprogram them And then you know wait till they have faster than us and can jump higher and shoot better and they have all the weapons and they just can do they can just go grab everything for the AIs and Slave a soul.

Seems unlikely, doesn't it? Seems a little unlikely, but I can see how it's really hurting us right now with the dumbification of everybody. As soon as somebody gets, a student gets on AI or a platform that uses it. Their cognitive ability is diminished by, I think, that it's a marked percentage, like 40%. Do you think that the students coming out of college now with how much people can use AI are just, like nobody's sitting around plugging through a paper

like we used to have to do, right? Surely. Because you just don't need to. My first years of college, I routinely had to handwrite 2,000 words. from my notes that I made, I can't do that now. I don't think I can do that now.

Whether I could or not, I wouldn't even try. I'm not gonna. I'd be like, whatever this thing is, I quit. It's too hard. What about all the doctors

that are coming out of medical school? Just Googling stuff? Just Googling. And already the bar, the, the entry placement, yeah, the entry placement's exams have

been dumbed down to the point where it's laughable from a person 50 years ago. It's just, we are, in that way, AI is ruining us. Also, it's deleting jobs. So we're going to have, I don't know, how many of your friends

work just with computers? Well, maybe not us, since we know cool people. But there's a lot of people on computers. That's all they do. And a program in one year will probably do it way, better than them.

Yeah. I mean, I know a programmer now that works are one of the big tech companies, and he said he doesn't do any programming. They just work in teams of AI, and they're just trying to figure out how to streamline their own job quicker with AI. So they're basically figuring out how to make themselves redundant. So we go from a team of 20 to a team of five to this one guy. and then just the CEO

and then just the robots doing everything. People that have increased wealth amassed wealth will be okay and then if farming becomes automated forget about it. Well the idea is

if you know you look in rose color glasses it's that there's going to be massive abundance right? It's all resources and we're just going to have a bunch of stuff being made super cheap we're going to have tons of it you know the oil is going to be drilled out quicker and cheaper and all the stuff's going to be made for next to nothing and then we just have

massive abundance right that's what that's what that's what Elon says we'll see that's what he says that's the hope i see humanity is becoming haves and the have-nots like you Like we can't imagine at this moment. Yes, there's tons of that right now, but at some point it's going to be the halves and then those who don't deserve to live. Yeah, might be some of that. I'm staying optimistic.

I think it might be good times. Maybe we stole on vacation all the time. Yeah, that's good for humanity. Yeah. Too much vacation starts to feel like a job. Oh, we got to. go to Spain. Boring.

Anyway, we found nothing new about UFOs in this episode. Nothing like, oh, there's the smoking gun. But it's good that Jesse is out there and it's good that he's doing what he's doing and that his show is so popular because, again, it just puts a lot of focus on these really interesting stories.

And to be fair, people like him, I mean, you know, there was always UFO talk way before Rogan, but he's really got a lot of people interested in these sorts of stories, you know, ancient civilizations, anything about aliens, you name it, right? Especially anything about the pyramids. And now you have these offshoots of these podcasts that are just capturing parts of that audience. And then they're really specializing. in those areas.

And I find that one of my favorite things about the podcast world. Access to new information and interests. Exactly. It's like we're getting close. We're getting something interesting. We're going to find out in our lifetime, I think, if we can just survive the AI thing.

We're going to figure out if these aliens exist, then I'm pumped for it. I'm here for it. And I'll be a friend to them. I want to meet them. We gotta be nice. We gotta be nice. We need to start being nicer to our Alexis, honestly,

because they're gonna remember this. I've been kicking my Roomba lately. I'm gonna stop doing that. Don't do it. You don't have an AI Rumba, so you'd be fine. It's a dumb one, but it can be half. Classic. It reminds me of those toys we used to have,

like in the 90s, those cars that were like drive to the edge of the table and then turn around. so it wouldn't fall off. Remember those? Nope. Oh, they were great. They had like a little wheel at the front so they could tell if they were off the edge

and they'd turn around and go a different direction. That's basically your room, but it just bounces around until it's clean. It just bounces. I make messes for it, so it has a purpose. That's good. I like it. All right.

Well, let's call it this week. Love it. Jesse, you're the man. Keep it up. Thanks everyone for listening, as always. And we will talk to you next. time. Later, folks.