Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - A Joe Rogan Experience Review 181

Episode Date: October 18, 2019

This week we review podcast 1361 Cmdr. David Fravor & Jermey Corbell and 1363 Dakota Meyer Commander Fravor is a retired Navy Pilot who had a close encounter with a UFO and has an incredible story to tell about it. This was a 9/10 podcast for us. Definitely worth a listen. Dakota Meyer is a retired Marine sniper who saw a lot of combat and tells a very emotional story of his time at war and his following PTSD. Below is a link to the treatment he speaks about on the podcast with Joe. If you have issues with PTSD check it out as Dakota swears by it.   PTSD treatment site: https://www.rti.org/impact/study-stellate-ganglion-block-treatment-ptsd-symptoms Enjoy the review folks! Follow me on Instagram at www.instagram.com/joeroganexperiencereview Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6ilK4Zrqk2ZeowbOo7pXgw? Please email us here with any suggestions and questions for future shows..

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5, 4, 3, 2, 1. ¿Yor, escucha el gelrogan experience para el aviso? 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 You're listening to the Joe Rogan Experience Review What a bizarre thing we've created Now with your host, Adam Thorn, and Mark Hampton This might either be the worst podcast or the best one of all time Oh Hello and welcome to another episode of JRE Review. Today, Mark and I are reviewing Podcast 1361, Commander David Frava and Jeremy Corbull

and Podcast 1363 Dakota Maya. So it's a military packed review. How you doing today, Mark? Good, man. We're trying this in the morning. It sounded like a good idea at the time. I don't know about now. Yeah. This is a coffee-fueled review. Rather than a whiskey-fueled review. Oh, maybe you. So. No, no, no, whiskey for me. I'm good. We should drink more while we do these. We should. I think we should just drink more in general. I think you and I are as a general rule, far too sober. Yeah, well, I'm doing sober up to someone very much far too sober. I did two weeks of sobriety

That's good. Yeah, how did you feel felt great? I Felt so good. I celebrated with a drink You're right. Yeah, not well. It's it's a bit overrated. It is this It's good. You know, it's nice to have something take the edge off. I'm gonna tell you that. Where to deal with stress? Yeah, exactly. I'd be way more in to, I think it's just the idea that there's been plenty of times this month where like one joint

or even one glass of wine would have just been perfect. Right. But then you sit there and you're like, I can't do it because of this thing. Yeah, I mean, what am I doing this for? I don't have a drinking problem. Like, what is the point of this? Right.

Well, what is the point of it? I don't know. Maybe I'm just getting grumpy because I can't get high. That's definitely it. That's definitely it. You poor bastard. You had to watch the girl and I drink last night when we were talking about this shit and then you had to go to a friend's party who probably never have another drink ever

in his life. Sure. Well, I have a barbecue in a few hours and everybody would be there drinking too. I mean, honestly though, that stuff doesn't bother me. I can get on with it. No good. It's just the point that it's like it's like I want to smoke some weed right now. Exactly. And I will be all the things that I'm about to do will be way better. They would just be more enjoyable. Right. I should have done just alcohol so broctober. Right. You should have done just alcohol sober October.

Right. You should have been specific. I, I, I over, I over commit to it. Or I should have swapped coffee from marijuana, I said no coffee and then done weed. That would be difficult because I like. Oh, yeah. I don't think I could give up caffeine just because of the pain that comes with it. You get some headaches.

Big time headaches. but he gets him a headaches. Big time headaches. All right, so what did you think of Commander David Fraver and his story? How do you say his last name? Fraver, yeah. Fraver, yeah. What did you think of his story?

Just on a glance, like you've, you've listened to the podcast. He's spouted all his information. He seemed credible to me. Listen to the podcast, he's spouted all his information. He seemed credible to me. I mean, he's a professional. You know, he's not some quack off the street that's trying to write a bunch of UFO books.

Like, has this ultimately changed your belief in the existence of at least some sort of spacecraft that's not made by a human. I guess that's really all we can pull from this. Well, I um, as we know, I'm skeptical of most things without evidence, but um, forever is one of those guys that first of all, if you meet him, you're like, this dude would never believe in UFOs in a million years. Like if you just told him like, some crackpot theory or something,

he'd be like, you're insane. But working on all these shows about aliens and contacting shit, he's one of the ones that came up all the time. And so he was one of the first ones that made me go, yeah, I'm pretty sure there's something out there. I know what we talked about that a couple of weeks ago. He's, I mean, his story is incredibly convincing.

And he's credible. It's not just like some nut job out in the woods, you know, that said aliens gave him a anal probes or something. This dude is, like you said, he's professional, he's so credible. Like he's reputation, precedes him. And it definitely makes me think that there's something that he's reputation precedes him and Definitely makes me think that there's something man. Well, there's something whether it's like an alien drone or You know little green man find that shit or whatever or there's definitely something there Do you do you think yes that Or there's definitely something there.

Do you think that there would be any need for some life form to be in there? Because they isn't part of the conspiracy that the grays are not really, they're like actually made by other aliens. They're kind of like an organic drone in themselves that they send out. But that's probably over my head. I think I heard that from like,

yeah, I think I heard that from like one of the ancient alien-y type people. But it kind of makes sense, right? Because if the theory holds that, you know, like Roswell, we did find those creatures. Why would the actual beings, the maid, the ship, bother even traveling? Because we're almost moving away from that. Think about it.

Like unless we're actually going somewhere, we just send probes. We've done that since the 70s. It's not a new idea. The voyage it was just that, you know, there was no need to put like a squirrel on that. Well, we send pros because we don't want to sit in a fucking rocket ship for 30 years just to get to just to look at Jupiter, you know what I mean? I feel like if they can get here, but even if we could, let's say we could just go there real fast, unless we're going there. Yeah, like actually to like live and hang out and do things. than less we're going there. Yeah.

Like actually to like live and hang out and do things. Right. No, I think we doesn't seem like these aliens do that. We would just send a machine because it could send high death, virtual reality, 3D, goggled images that we would Oculus Plus. And it would be like, we're there anyway. That's true. No, man.

Just look around and be like, oh, I'm here. I think if you can get to Jupiter in like a couple hours, like it's a transatlantic flight or something, people were some guys are going because, I mean, it's the same reason why do we go to zoos, why do we go to a national park, sort of thing. Humans like that connectivity, that tactile contact with nature, outer space,

the experience, whatever. I have no reason to believe that aliens wouldn't feel the same way They're like, no, I don't want to Oculus go this shit like let's just go check it out Let's go see what they're doing now that they might not be the a the varsity team of the aliens, you know We might be we might be just a tiny little experiment. They're like man We're over an alpha-proxima. Look into this binary star system and they got massive planets with civilizations. We want to check that out and then there's like the idiots of the group.

They're like, well, what about Earth? And they're like, all right, fine. Fuck off. Go to Earth. Who cares? But I do feel like there is something to be said for the experience of being there. As I get into the psychology of... Yeah. I do like that idea that we're getting like the you know

middle-class Loud Texas exactly family version of the alien tourists there the redneck shit kicker versions of the alien versions. There's like, no, no, I don't mean like that. The rednecks aren't going on vacation. Let's be fun. They don't go in anywhere. They stay in that trailer and maybe they go to the next town,

but they're spending their money on meth if they're spending on it. Maybe we're the next time. Maybe you've got the, you know, the Austin school teacher family that's true blood Texans and they want to go see Europe and they've got their cameras around their necks and, you know, it's like the European vacation style. Yeah, holiday road. Alien traveler. That's exact. Maybe that explains why they crashed. Could be in the 50s. They sent the idiots.

They like spilled a big gulp on the dashboard. Exactly. Because let's face it, in the ecosystem that is the galaxy, near the universe, Earth has got to at least be Florida, if not worse. You know? I Think I think the trash comes to earth. They're like where are y'all going? We're going to earth y'all. Oh shit. Yeah, you would go to earth That's that's a great theory of like that a lot you know, you know, it's funny that you say Travel to a different planet just to have a look at it. I don't think they look like they show in the movies and

I don't think you can see any of it. And what I mean by that is if you flew out to like Jupiter, right? Sure. It's a long fucking way away from the sun. And I think it's really dark and you can't see much of anything. I think those images only look like that because they brighten everything up and exposure. I think really everything past like Mars is just black or almost nothing you can really see any of it and it's the gas giant so you can't even land on them. No, you can't. You just orbit it.

You'd be looking out the window and there will be like this faint or giant kind of black dot that just blocks the stars and you're like why the fuck did I even bother coming in? It's a good question that'd be more that'd be a question for like astrophysicist and stuff is like is there enough illumination from the sun at Jupiter that you could see it I mean because the shit they gave us crystal clear photos of Pluto. I mean, yeah, they probably opened the aperture quite a bit to get those, but like, there was some illumination. There was something there, you know what I mean? Yeah, you wouldn't see, I'm telling you, you wouldn't see shit in Pluto, nothing, nothing at all. It would be completely... I mean, it was really like a dark... It's the voyage it turned around and took a picture of the sun and the earth, I think,

when it was like that far out and it was just a tiny doll. It's a tiny doll. You didn't see anything. You can see Earth is barely visible from Saturn though. It's a tiny, as Carl Sagan. It's a tiny blue dot. Yeah, it's a gorgeous fucking photo. I think it was Cassini that took it.

Maybe I'm wrong, but you can see it through the rings and it's just everything else is like all the stars and planets are white and earth is just kind of hint of blue. It's actually quite beautiful. Yeah, these things are a long fucking way away. I don't think you can see it. I guess we go to the moons we would, but I but my point to that is I just think that it would make sense that these things would be somewhat unmaned You know without knowing anything about anything But it's like the direction that we're going we're building new drugs. Yeah, and they're getting smarter and smarter Especially if it's anything that's going out to collect data and information Well, of course, which would make sense that that's what they're doing

Well, and it's safer that way. I mean, every Star Trek episode, you know, launch a probe, send a probe, sensors. I mean, they're never blindly just going into the, I know, I would think it would be the same thing. Like, we're gonna send a drone, we're gonna send a probe, we're gonna send, you know, sensors, whatever, before we just, you know, walk on there. And I can't imagine aliens would be any different,

any extraterrestrials. They'd at least observe first from a safe distance and you know outside the planet That's what I think it would make sense that makes sense I Thought the guy that came on with David Fraver that Jeremy Colbel did the same thing He did in the Bob Lazar podcast. Like he's a little distracting. Yeah. So I guess he is, he was the director of the Bob Lazar documentary and he's collected, he's been like a big UFO fan for a long time. That's how he was able to get David in.

Right. So he knows these guys and he likes to come on and add his little point. And I appreciate the work that he's done to make this shit happen. The Bob Lazar one, especially was incredibly fascinating. And this one was really interesting as well. I think it is one of them, for sure. Absolutely. This one would have been more compelling if there was more information. Bob obviously had a plethora of shit to talk about for everything from the anti-gravity drive to the component. It just had so much information that you would want to know. This guy just had the one interaction, the one time he saw it and they went. But it's still massively compelling because of how he saw it and they went, but it's still massively compelling because of how kind of respected this dude is. So it changes things.

No Jeremy guy, honestly, I feel like he needs to just bring the gas and not come. I agree. I don't think he, I mean, he wasn't there. He was in there. He's like a middleman. I mean, he wasn't even there. I don't really need like, thanks for bringing the guy and thanks for compiling this data, but I'm more interested in flavor and what he's saying

than you kind of thing. You know what I mean? Yeah, a little bit like reaching to, like he would come out of nowhere and just be like, well, we know they have the propell, you know, the anti-gravity drives, we know they exist. I'm like, wait, hold on, do we? That's the point of the podcast.

Right. We don't decide this. Like, how do you know? Like, somebody might know, Bob probably does. Right. If he knows, but you don't, you just like heard the story about you. Yeah, he's just sort of, I mean, he's just,

like a conspiracy theorist or, you, I mean, yeah, I agree He just wants to believe so much. I think it makes him far less credible agree and then the way he just jumps in to talk It kind of I don't know get someone I agree. Well, I'm never a fan of like people chiming in When the main guest is the far more fascinating thing That's why I don't listen to like morning radio anymore. I can't imagine anybody does unless you're driving. I'm just kind of like they might have an interesting guest and then you have eight other people chiming in with jokes

and their theories and they're like, shut up. I mean, here's a person that's talking. Yeah, cut that mic. Very much, my god. If I ran a show like that or any type of show, I'd cut the mic like 99% of the time I'm like well you're a moron there was always The only bit I ever could enjoy or get into watching below Riley on Fox News

Because when I was in high school the people I live with the they were military right and the dad There was a lieutenant colonel so the fucking fox news was on all the guard down time just pumping propaganda into the house it's like he just it's like he had some sort of like gas on just running it through the the air conditioning system just to keep us like properly topped up so like all the TVs are just playing this but and I it was I don't know I always felt like it was nonsense and I wasn't surprised when he turned out to be a fucking massive rapist or whatever His deal was but yeah Well, he was like second like he was he was a rassing women right you paid one of them like 30

Yeah, yeah, I mean you've done you've done some shit You've done some shit when you're paying out 30 million. Oh, yeah. I don't give a shit. Oh, yeah, you have. You know, you've done some shit. But I remember, he used the love to cut off like the liberal ladies' mic. Yes.

You know, he'd make him seem like erratic, you know, lunatics. Oh, is he? And then he'd just be like, like just cut her mic and she just like She's just super pissed off because of some fucking complete nonsense bullshit that he just They're incredulous. He was always good though. Oh my it was a mind. I was like man I want to show my roommate the land. I had the same thing. He would put it on and so yeah That was that's when I was more conservative and yeah, I would get off on that shit too Yeah, that was, that's when I was more conservative. And yeah, I would get off on that shit too.

Toon of a month. Yeah, it's such a bullshit move. Imagine being in a bar or a dinner party and just being able to be like, somebody put their hand over her mouth. It's basically the same as much. Now Thanksgiving, that's not maybe the worst idea. No, let's do it

All right, so a quick recap, yes because I thought the map commander favor was great. Yeah, really great. He sounded very honest You know and and and calm and just trying to get as much Detail about the event as possible obviously he's told the story a thousand times. And with any story that you keep recalling, things can change. But you know, what I think what's helpful is I'm pretty sure they had to debrief and like write down what they saw and what happened. And then it's corroborated by the other radar people and his co-pilot and then the other plane. So you know, you can build a real solid

foundation for the story so that his own personal story isn't getting inflated and he tried not to inflate it too much right but some of the things in it were just so fascinating the way that it was ping pong around move super fast and all different directions could just Take off seemed like he was implying that it was kind of interacting with the planes as well Like it was aware they were there, but didn't need to do anything to them exactly just kind of fascinating Which thank God imagine if they just were like all right These mosquitoes again, if they just would like all right These mosquitoes again. Oh Lazering us out of the sky just you imagine like if

When if the world got wind of that the panic would be unforeseen in human history Delight it would be it would probably be embarrassing even thinking that we'd be at a do anything. Oh, the first thing we do is like send up nuclear warheads and they'd just be like 90 degree angle by and then we just explode nuclear warheads in our atmosphere and they'd be like, well that was stupid and I ruined the planet for everyone. Do you think that they, do you think that if we saw a few bits of compelling evidence that they exist, like actual video, like pretty good, like an iPhone 11 captures one of these things, shoot into the water, out of the water, and then disappear, right pass some fighter jets, and then we're like,

okay, shit. So they exist, it's 100% everyone can see it. If you disagree with that, I'll say that's fake, whatever, but mostly everyone's on board of this. Yeah, right? And maybe there's sightings happening left and right. So there are a lot of people coming on and they're just kind of showing themselves.

Once that's done, and then maybe like a mother ship shows up. And let's say it doesn't even contact us. We try and contact it. We try and send some message to it. It just does nothing. Like they just ignore us like we don't exist. And they're blatant about it. I don't think we're gonna do anything,

even if occasionally they like shoot some of our planes down. As long as it doesn't look like a overall war, I think we would treat them like a foreign government that hates us with nuclear weapons. We're not nuclear. No, you're right. Because you'll kill us and we'll kill you and order it all in. I think that we would see them as like, they're going to, if they get pissed off with us, we're fucking dead. They'd be kind of like, it'd be kind of like what America is now

Like we're kind of cunts, but nobody can do anything because we have so many nuclear warheads Yeah Yeah, no, I think I don't know if there's an act of aggression that might change I don't know it just depends on no, but if it was just like occasionally You know one of our fight to jets kind of gets in there. Yeah, you're in our airs You know because there's just more activity, you know, one of our fighter jets kind of gets in their way. Yeah, you're in our airs. Well, they're supposed to, you know, because there's just more activity. Right.

That they're here more that something can happen, right? Things can bump into each other and that when it happens, they just go, well, fuck you, boom. But it didn't really look like they weren't like hunting us, you know? Right. Right. If that was kind of like the consensus, it's like, look, don't come too close to us. And otherwise we don't want to contact you or fuck with you at all.

I don't think that we would test if we could blow the... No, I don't think we would. I think that we would just be like... Depending on the technology, like how obscenely futuristic it seems to us. I think that would be a big part of it. We would have to be that way. Like, there's no way that we would be stupid enough to be like, let's go get them.

Like, what will we be trying to achieve? I have made it a point to never underestimate how stupid humans can be. But, no, I think, I think you're right. As long as they're not openly aggressive or hostile, I don't think we do anything. I think prescriptions for Xanax would go up exponentially because everybody be on edge.

I know, you just described me. Do you think so? I don't think so. You just described me, and I was like, yeah, God. That's a little anxiety. I think people would come together. Could be. I don't know. I mean, humans are packing animals

and we're clearly packing animals. But when an outside force like presents, I think our pack gets a lot bigger. You know what I mean? So I think you're right. I think you're right. We would come together Yeah, it would give us like a global reason to like work together and you know There's a bigger thing going on now like all we do is build nations and make our nation more powerful than the other nation Uh-huh, and everyone choice to make as much money as possible.

It's like the, you know, build your government and have strong borders or whatever. This is like, you know, the major motivation for governments and countries, which are the biggest entities. I mean, you could look at them like families, kingdoms, or companies, does math, or even religions. It's just like, now It's just big up right? That's it. That's the things that want to survive and they will make Themselves do that right well now you have and what else is that what what would be a bigger striving thing Well, you could you could say well, but it's for the whole world to do well The problem is we don't have the organization or the resources to like do that well

So we give a lot of money to other countries, but generally it's just this like nation building focus, right? Which it probably should be until we figure something else out. Aliens come down, we're like, oh, I get it. Yep. Now it's one planet. It's this planet versus that planet. Exactly. And we just realize that we are the Congo of planets. And we have no technology and we are the Congo of planets and we have no technology and we are right at the bottom of the economic ladder. No offense Congo. Sorry Congo, that's it. Yeah, the two people that downloaded the Congo right now look fuck you man, this is bullshit. It's a terrible Congo. Yeah. Well, you are in the woods downloading this podcast. Well done two listeners in Congo. Well done Messages will you know I we have almost every country in the world downloading

So we really it's awesome. Congo's on that That there is a big chunk in the middle of Africa where no one has that's not surprising so This are target demographic now. I really want to really try to hit that really. No. Middle Africa. Yeah. Try to get out there. Spread the word. Yeah. All you guys listening at home. Tell your African friends download this shit. They're like guys we've got real problems out here. We don't need to listen to two fucking idiots talk about another podcast. Thank you. Yeah No, they do they they really they 100% what do you think of the other sighting the East Coast sighting? So this was a West Coast sighting. Well, no, not West Coast somewhere in Mexico

Then there was this East Coast sighting which is as equally well Then there was this East Coast sighting which is as equally well recorded, but the ships were completely different. And it was interesting, it was supposed to be, so there was the Tic Tac one, which is what favour looked at. Tic Tac shape. And then, excuse me, he described which he did not see, but he's talked to other pilots that did. A cube in a sphere. That's basically what it looked like. Which he did not see but he's talked to other pilots that did a cube

In a sphere That's basically what it looked like they didn't talk too much about what the cube itself looked like but the sphere was like some sort of force field and I guess one of the planes almost hit one and they were like three of them. They were like in a formation flying around yeah, and like three of them, they were like in a formation, flying around. Yeah. And what, I just don't get why there would be different shapes and sizes. Well, I mean, I mean, they talk about all these different, you think that they have their different races? Well, there's all they're just different.

Yeah, I mean, they do different things. This is a possibility that there's more than one species of alien visiting us. But humans also have helicopters and airplanes. You know what I mean? So to other people they're like, well, why do they have this one thing? And then they have this other thing. So maybe it's their helicopters and airplanes type thing.

It's their version of that. They just cut out, it's different things. It makes sense. They got like, one guy's flying the F-14 and other one's got an F-18, another one's got an Apache18 and other one's got an Apache You have no idea. Maybe each one has its own specific function

Yeah, that would make sense. That's pretty interesting That's kind of fascinating and a little confusing Yeah, right come on aliens be consistent, please Well one at a time. It's like, do you exist or not? And now we've got to decide where the multiples of you exist from different planets. It's like, hold on.

I'm sure it's never even a present. It's almost like once we finally see this and figure this out and we're like, oh, they exist. Then it's just gonna open a can of worms. Like one race talks to us and they're like, okay. You're. Then it's just going to open a can of worms. Like one race talks to us, and they're like, okay, you're going to need to sit down for this because we're about to blow your fucking mind. Yes. And they just open it up to like this into galactic, you know, highway system of like thousands of races and all the millennia of them doing things and battles and

races and all the millennia of them doing things and battles and What they can learn and what they need to know and like where we are on that pecking order and we're just like oh shit We need to start being concerned about their Yeah, oh And they're like by the way you up like goddamn and I knew it. I mean that sucks Couldn't we at least be Arizona? I liked what he said about the military investigating this. It did sound like that budget was like almost $0. But at the end of the day, I almost do feel like

it's kind of like throwing money away because what are they even investigating? It's not like there's enough encounters often enough to really get, you know, any money behind it. And I'm sure if there were more sightings and like legitimate ones from like really credible sources, like these pilots, that there would be a bigger budget for it. Probably. But they're at least looking at it, which says some...

What do I think? I mean, that basically just says these things exist. Well, I think they've... Tenigon a couple of months ago did release a statement to the effect of saying yes, there are UFOs. Like, we've had these encounters, but that didn't go as far to say, yeah, and they're aliens. They're like, yeah, we... There have been things in this guy that we've seen that we don't we can't explain we couldn't identify them

They you know didn't respond to hails or communication or anything. We have no idea what they are I think something to the effect of that but then but trump tweeted a picture of his dick or something that day and No one even heard about I remember it was like somebody Somebody said the Pentagon basically announced that there are aliens are real and no one even paid attention because of the crazy shit that's going on or something like that. Well, it's just not that exciting to say there are things that we've seen that we can't explain. True. And then they don't really give a lot of detail because they can't even tell. They just don't have a lot of it.

It's mostly just radar. Sure. It's. And it's one of those things that, you know, before you jump to conclusions, in 20 years we find out, oh, it's just some sort of like, you know, lightning, bowl, phenomena that has nothing to do with anything that just fucks with radars and it doesn't do it enough for us to like fly out there and see what it is. Sure.

You know, it's just not compelling enough to get people excited. That's why the Roswell thing was so much more interesting because they found things. They found things. Yeah. They had it physically. Pobbles are thing. They were moving things out. I mean, that's a way better story. And super annoying that shit hasn't happened since

or at least hasn't to where people have got to hear about it. Well, and I think we're probably more adept at covering things up. Yeah, we probably get out there much quicker. Yeah, I mean sort of out because we probably now know the value of that technology. Sure. So we don't fuck around. We want to get... Imagine Roswell at the time.

You know, they're like, um, so guys, um, aliens, they're like, what the fuck are we supposed to do with this shit? I was like, well don't tell anyone. Like, do people have already seen it? All right, you had to say it was a weather balloon till we get a handle on this, like, because it was the first time for them. I'm sure, I'm sure, kind of wet down the bed.

Don't wet the bed. They did what they do. They immediately went into cover up. It's not like the military hadn't covered up things in the past They know what to do and their story kind of sucked. It wasn't even good Weather balloon is like the laziest story ever because it's not like a ship Especially because that one guy described looking at the metal pieces and and he could see the metal like

rejoining it was almost like fixing itself. Right. Yeah. And then, or then the next day, it was just this giant tin foil balloon. Yeah. Yeah. It was called that fever is met Bob at one of those like UFO conference. Yeah, man. He said one thing for sure, that dude is not crazy. No. he said that like he's not. He didn't say a lot more about Bob. I guess he liked him. He talked to him for a while, but he was like, he's not crazy.

And from one credible guy to another, that's fascinating. I was, it's like things have been seen. I was working on one of the alien shows that work on the other day and they were talking about Bob's art. One guy was like, oh yeah, before we started all this stuff. He didn't believe in aliens at all I thought it was the most ridiculous Hogwash he'd ever seen and then he saw him a year later and he was like dude. It's like dude and I mean this guy was like Yeah, Bob Lazar is one of the most credible human beings you'll ever meet and he wishes none of this should it happened

That was what was really fascinating. He wishes you could take it all back because it's really fucking life is what it seems like yeah poor yeah poor bastard I know dude well this one was fascinating I mean to me it's like I ended this on my notes with what do you think of aliens now and I guess the real thing is we don't know the alien thing But I do believe that these ships exist. I don't think that any humans made them or at least any humans Like in hour unless they're like time travelers, but in this time It's not like I it's not like the Russians have this and they're just not telling exactly You know what I mean? It's like I don't think anyone has this but there are some Some machines out there that are far more advanced than us. What does that mean?

I don't know but stay tuned and I'm really pumped for like that new Rover on Mars to like try and find some Shilling and I don't know I think in the next 50 years if we live that long We're gonna we're gonna see some crazy shit. We might even get some aliens The sky would be surprised who knows this was a great podcast for me. I thought it was fascinating I'm a I since Bob Lazzar came on really getting into these ones man They're they're just they're not as hokey anymore and I'm enjoying them and I think Joe's doing a good job putting them together This was a nine out of 10 for me. Yeah, me too.

Loved it. Next on the docket, 1363 Dakota My. Dakota's special forces, ex-special forces guy, seen it all. It's important to have these guys on there because Joe pointed out when we talk about saluting the troops and and that people fight for our freedom and things like that, I mean on the special forces end that couldn't be more true. Yep. You know, if you're an accountant in the Air Force and you do a nine to five and you're

kind of like in a cubicle and a little disgruntled and you Google shit all day. Then I'm slightly less inclined to salute you. But you'll get a salute anyway, because I know it's all a big team. But what these guys are doing is like something that I couldn't have more respectful. Yeah, man. Talk about being in harm's way.

It's so brutal. Brutal. Yeah, and then they like like Dakota talks about he's come back from this whole experience. And he's telling Joe that he, you know, will break down quite often. He will cry. He'll be in the shower, just boiling. He has to deal with these memories and these thoughts and and it does some really fucked up things to these guys and they don't get the support that they need when they get back. They're kind of on the 100% just kind of dope them up.

Yep. It's a fucking tragedy. They're great. Do you know anyone that's gone and fought in war and come back and is a little scary? Obviously don't say the name but have you just experienced it? Yeah, I have. Yeah, and there's definitely a difference between somebody that's just been on a boat

or something on a ship in the Navy, versus somebody that's been on boots on the ground. It fucks them up. It fucks them up. And the same way that any type of trauma is gonna fuck you up, and then your brain in this weird way tries to normalize what you've gone through to make life bearable.

And so that's why a lot of these guys want to go back. Like, because they want to be with the, their brothers again and stuff, that's what's normal to them now now and that's how they cope with it But it's um, yeah, they don't get any support back here and it's horrible. It's really fucking terrible Shit my dad my dad fought in Vietnam Yeah, yeah, that's my my my dad my biological dad was in the Navy and fought in the Falklands war Uh-huh, which was in the early 80s with my uncle and

From what I understand of What they were like before that and after Yeah, they they got pretty messed up from that too. They saw some nasty. It's really interesting with my dad He will my dad will tell a story he will take as long as he, humanly possible to tell the story. He loves the attention. He will go on and on and on about something. Because, um,

but you asked him about something to do with the war? Short answers. Nope. Yep. Like, were you over there? Did you see this? No. Okay, what about this? Yes. Nothing else. It doesn't want to expand on. Don't want to talk about it It's really interesting. It's not often my dad will shut up, but

Yeah, he doesn't he doesn't like to talk about it. Don't like to talk about it at all. He saw some shit over there I know he did I know he did Excuse me. Yeah, I mean it makes sense right. I mean there's probably plenty of things just you as an individual don't want to talk about and You didn't see things like that. So if you multiply those events by 10 and And get them close to the same emotional responses is some awful event Traumatic event at war. I mean, you probably don't even wanna think about it, let alone describe it to somebody.

It probably hurts as bad as if you were there, again. Yeah, oh, absolutely, especially with the PTSD, because it's like reliving the moment. Your body reacts in the same way, physically, as if you were there. Fucking terrifying. Be like maybe like describing, you know, if you had a sister that died or something. Yeah.

Like I'm sure people that have had that happen on sitting down and like going over the whole experience and talking about it a ton. It just, you don't wanna open that part of your brain. God no. He had a great podcast with Jocco Willink on Jocco's podcast. It's podcast 115. Joe talks about it on this podcast.

I listened to half of that one, but it's honestly, it's really emotional. Sure. You can tell these guys, two military special forces guys, like rehashing some serious moments that, like you just said, they probably don't talk about much, but under the guise of a podcast, they're kind of putting it together, and he's there with like a brother, you know,

because they have that brother, right? The special forces do, so he's getting it out, but, fuck, it was a lot, man. I was was like holy shit. Yeah, it's It's it's a story that needs to be told we need to be reminded of what these fucking people go for and and what they're willing to do You know and it really is it is that analogy so you can go down to Starbucks and get a fucking latte and feel feel safe and Just walk around and we're not worried about getting bombed or attacked or invaded. It's because these fucking dudes are out there putting everything into the moment.

Because they simply exist, we're safe. Simply existing to go do these horrible things that fuck their lives up. Just simply being there makes us safe. Because knowing that we have these men and women that will do that definitely makes people think twice before fucking with us. That's for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We owe them a lot. It's really cool. And that's that's the thing that I, you know, when they, when you're at the bowl games or whatever and then they do like the salute to the troops business and that stuff comes up, that's the things I like

to think about. I like to take those little moments serious, you know. I don't want to get too nationalistic, you know. But I kind of like all the pledge of allegiance stuff to be honest. I like the fact that I've always felt that like when I moved to America, there was just a lot of pride in being an America.

I didn't get, you only really see that in England when the football's on. All of a sudden everyone loves England because we've got to play France. Most of the time people just bitch in about living there. Is that right? Kinda, it's just like, you know, the weather sucks and it's expensive and everyone wants to go on holiday.

Right. And, you know, people in America are like, yeah, it's pretty sweet here. I love it. And America's number one. Number one. Boy, we do. We do say that. Quite a bit. It's funny to hear it. Yeah, love saying it. Oh, we do. Love saying it. But yeah, I did notice that. It was like that. There is that pride. And I kind of of liked I kind of like it. I think it's good. Why not be proud of Of your place. I mean think if you have a choice be proud of it or fucking moan and bitch It's certainly better to be like yeah, this is a good country. Oh Exactly. Yeah, well people do right people do yeah, but it always there's always like that little bit of hope like America figure this out

We got this that's a good thing. Oh, yeah I mean, I it's like I love my apartment, but there's some things I'd like to fix up, but I'm not moving I'm fucking love it here, right. You know, it's the same way. I've got yeah, yeah I've always been I mean, I really thought about Pledge of Allegiance or anything in quite a while, but yeah, I always enjoyed standing up for You know hand over the heart for, you know, national anthem, things like that. I enjoy that. It's community. It's, you know, we're kind of an experiment as a country because we all come from different places, you know, ancestral, except for the indigenous. And, um, yeah, we kind of created our own thing.

And it's kind of cool that we've done so well. I mean, we could do better, but it is cool. I have no, I love patriotism. I mean, nationalism, that's weird, but patriotism, I'm all about. It's good to love where you're from. It's good to appreciate those things. Well, define the difference between the two. Why would say patriotism is just love of country

and nationalism is kind of like it are where the highway type thing. Like, Americans only everybody else sucks kind of thing. That's kind of the basic just of it. It is. It's not just loving your nation. Well, no, I mean, let's uh... Why does it have to have that negative connotation? Like, because the Germans... did people really think that because Germans

Yeah, that's what I mean when hit oh cuz yeah, I'm fun Hitler was like that big nationalist It's like we're we're the best where there's supreme where the elites everybody's gonna bow to us kind of that's kind of nationalism And then patriotism is like I just fucking love this place and I love my country and everything's great. Awesome. Yeah. That's kind of it. Okay, cool. One really nice thing that Dakota put together was the perspective of problems. Yeah. And it was really good timing because I got a parking ticket, like two-minute row, like an idiot. So we have street sweeping, like they do in many cities here in Santa Monica.

And I put it on one side of the road, got a ticket. And the next day, I put it on the other side, which was the other days one. And in two days, I got $128 with tickets. It's like a complete duft. But right after that, and this is, again, why I do these podcasts, but I right after that and this is this is again why I do these podcasts Because I like to pull the knowledge out of it. I like to be inspired. I like to get motivated from them and You know, and it's not my only source of like getting motivated, but I like to take it seriously because you can pull Very you can pull wisdom from these really well experienced individuals.

I didn't say any of that right, but after I got the ticket, I remembered him talking about how you've got to put in perspective. Like, yeah, look, there's problems and then there's real fucking stuff. Exactly. Right? A speeding ticket is not a real problem. A parking ticket is not cancer is yeah being at war is you know this guy talks about having to kill a dude with a rock once they are fighting it out hand to hand the dude was big he grabbed the rock and smashed his head

and he has to live with our memory. That's a fucking problem. And it did, at least, like I almost, I just kind of laughed at myself for even getting the ticket. I was a, I usually get mad at the person that gave me the ticket. It like even though I can't see him, it just in my mind, I'm like, fuck that guy. But it's all, it was all entirely my fault.

I was just being stupid. I was cares. But I just paid it real fast, moved on, kind of checked my budget and was like, all right, I won't get this. I won't buy this this month and that kind of covers that charge. Boom. And it did.

I think that perspective reminder is very important. It is. When you see, you know, some valley girls getting super upset at a Starbucks because they forgot her vanilla or they use you know regular milk instead of soy milk and it's ruined her whole day I mean it's not really that she's just a complete bitch though she might be it's the fact that she's just not using excuse me any real prospect right she hasn't been given the opportunity to just like have a really fucking hard day and be like oh you know want the milk things not a big deal.

It's all your job before. It's all relative man. It's all relative. Yeah, it's a nice reminder. I mean we all know this. Of course. It's a dialogue that we know but what was the last thing you got really pissed off at that that was stupid? Oh man that's a good question. I think I was the girl brought me to Costco and there were so many people there and I think I was just really pissed at like how many people were around me and how slowly my girl was taking to shop and of course I just wanted to get the fuck out of there, but I think that was probably the last time. I don't get angry very often, just doesn't really happen.

Although... Yeah, you're pretty chill, dude. But that, I was like, I had a short fuse that day. I was just, you know, I think a lot of it too is, I don't like being the passenger in a car anymore since my car accident, it gives me really fucking bad anxiety. So I think I was a little tense anyway and then adding all that shit on top of it. So I was a bit on edge anyway. So, um, yes.

Well it's funny you say that actually because remember on the podcast, Dakota talks about the highest incidents of PTSD are actually from car accidents. I believe it. People from car accidents. It's not even the military. Yeah. Obviously they have a lot, but there's a lot more car accidents and that is the number one

cause of PTSD. Absolutely. What do you feel now when you're driving? You're a little more on edge. Yeah. It's kind of PTSD. Absolutely. What, what, what do you feel now when you're driving? You're a little more an edge. Yeah, it's kind of describing. It's like somebody's come, let's turn this into a therapy session. Let's do it.

I need you to break down. Let's break down and I want you to solve. Yeah. Okay, I'll bring on the tears. No, but seriously, what, what do you say? Yeah, well, I get sideswiped. I get sideswiped and so anybody coming up on the side of me, now I get, I tense up.

I tense up. And I just, like, I've never really trusted people going past me anyway. I'm like, because people drive like fucking assholes and Los Angeles. But now I always kind of have this feeling that they're not looking, they're not looking. So I'll give them like a wide berth type of thing. Because I'm worried, I feel like I'm about to get sideswiped. And that was, I mean, yeah, I've had back issues since that fucking accident. And that's not been fun. But yeah, it's just like, I guess it's a general distrust of what's going on around me and it makes me anxious. And especially, but when I'm driving myself,

I have control over it. So I'm kind of master of my own destiny. But when I'm a passenger, I have to completely give over control to whomever I'm with. And that's been difficult for me since the accident. That's been difficult because I zero control, I zero maneuverability. So I'm in the fate of not just the people around me, but the people that are driving me. And so...

Will you want a freeway when that puts you in? No, I was just on a venture, just an intersection. But the thing was, I was moving pretty fast. I mean, I wasn't speeding, but like, my lane was clear, so I'm just humming along and somebody in the middle lane decided to to do a quick turn, like one of those quick turns didn't check their blind spot.

And I could see it happening, but there was nothing I could do at that point. There just wasn't enough time to react. So, of course, I tensed up. Bam! And, of course, also my new fucking car that I only had three months. But it was one of those, and I guess I've always been a little nervous. I've always been a defensive driver, so I could see when people are about to do stupid shit. And if I'd had like two, three more seconds warning, I would have been a defensive driver so I can see when people are about to do stupid shit And if I'd had like two three more seconds warning I would have been able to save myself But yeah, it was just one of those things that saw it happening and it just yeah And then shit's on a pain afterward like an hour later. It's fucking hurting

I don't want to go through that again and you and you your mind is kind of associated all this to that event causing you to be quite a lot more nervous. Yeah. I'm not equating. And I'm sorry that you know that. I'm not equating what I went through to anybody's PTSD. I do not have PTSD for certain. I just get anxious when I'm driving. But this is yeah. Yeah. And I'm sure I'm sure a lot of people that have had to car accident and so not gonna equate it to like what the troops have gone through. But he's making the point that it's like, it's broadly defined and there's levels in this.

And a lot of people are getting it and it needs to be something that is really understood. Like there should be maybe a therapy portion after even a car accident. I agree. You know, people should think about these things because instead of just doping them up, which they often do,

when they get back from war, that's happened to my friends that were in Iraq. I've had some friends that were on some pretty strong medications that they really struggled to get off. Of course. Excuse me, I have a bit of a cough today. And it really fucked with them.

And he talks about, you know, smoking weed, having some indica, being able to go to sleep, that's a real fix, and it just doesn't have the same debilitating effect as those medications. Yeah. And I wish they'd fucking look into that shoe instead of once again having such a stigma It's like all right look do you care about these fucking troops? Or do you want to make a lot of money for pharmaceutical companies because now you can make a lot of money for pharmaceutical companies that grow We absolutely do that Absolutely fucking do um yeah, I really wish and it's such a struggle for a lot of these guys to even get diagnosed with PTSD

I feel like that should just be the default like you immediately like if you're if you've killed someone if you've been in any type of action in war that should just be the default and then They have to prove that you don't have PTSD. And you start treating them. I mean, I know when cops, if there's an officer involved shooting, cops are like, they're desgridden, they have to go to therapy, they have to talk to people about it before they're cleared for active duty again. I mean, I guess you probably don't have the luxury

of that in wartime, but when they're discharged or when they, when they, their tour ends, that should be the luxury of that in wartime, but when they're discharged or when they, when they, their tour ends, that should be the first thing that happens. Like, all right, let's talk about what happened. Let's get it out. Let's give you coping mechanisms. But it's so hard for them to even get diagnosed.

And then a lot of them do turn to drugs or alcohol to numb the pain. And then that can ruin your fucking life. Yeah, alcohol is very effective for that. Both ruining your life and allowing you to forget about things you don't want to think about. Exactly. Whereas marijuana does make you face it a little bit. Can.

Which could be a bit of an issue depending on your level of PTSD. Well, especially if you have a sativa. But then again, I think it's also gone, especially if you have a sativa. But then again, I think it's also gone. Especially if you have a sativa. Well, I mean, that can get, I mean, that's the one that gets you paranoid. That can bring some shit up. Indika, I imagine would be really good for sleeping and stuff.

Yeah, I think most of them would just do an indika though. That's what I'd recommend. I think the PTSD people would go around. But a big city. But imagine if you're in a state that's where it's not legal, so you're not in California or Colorado, Washington, something. So you just get whatever you can fuck and get. You have no idea what you're getting.

It might make things worse. That's a good point. Yeah. Yeah, and be covered in all sorts of fucked up pesticides too, because that's what goes. Exactly. Those illegal grows and doing. Yeah, it's rough. I really do hope that they can they can you know just they need to be given whatever the drug is they need and one that hopefully is not addictive and won't cause long-term damage to their all. Exactly right. I agree. And and those other pills do that. Hopefully they will get it. They've started doing some interesting

MDMA therapy. Joe's talked about that before and I've heard about it from other avenues. I think that stuff sounds amazing where they can... they basically recall the memory that's really traumatic, but do it while fucking high as fuck on MDMA so that everything feels good. And they kind of rewrite their association with the memory because they're seeing it with such loving and positive and optimistic goggles that it like changes the overall message and then maybe like rewrite it into the brain. I think that's really fascinating. That is fascinating man Yeah, that would be cool to see if that works, but again

This is this was a great conversation too if you want to know about what military guys go through and You know, we see these special forces guys as these Invincible warriors that just come back from war and they're just as bad asses ever. Yeah, they are bad ass. No, fuck yeah. But they harbors some real emotions and it's very difficult for them to get, to talk about it and express it. And this was a fascinating window into, into, you know, what they go through. And it just, you know, gave me a lot of respect for what's happening out there. And yeah, this was, this was an a lot of respect for what's happening out there. And yeah, this was an eight out of 10 for me.

This was another high ranked one. I found it really, I don't wanna say entertaining because it was like, it was some emotional bits, but it was, that's what it was. It was really fascinating. Yeah, it's fascinating and informative. Love that. All right, that's it for today. Thank you so much for joining me, Mark. Thanks. As always, guys, follow us on Joe Rogan experience review Instagram. You can message us with

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