Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - A Joe Rogan Experience Review 182

Episode Date: October 22, 2019

This week we review podcast 1364 Brian Redban and 1365 Cameron Hanes.  Brian Redban is a comedian, the founder of the Deathsquad Podcast network, and started the Joe Rogan Experience with Joe way back when.  Cameron Hanes is a bowhunting athlete and is the host of the podcast "Keep Hammering with Cameron Hanes."  Join us as we discuss Brian Redban's keto diet, the difference between motivation and discipline, whether Siri and Alexa are spying on us, Adam's trip to Europe, and Mark's plan to cohost the show with his cat. Enjoy the review folks! Follow us on Instagram at www.instagram.com/joeroganexperiencereview Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6ilK4Zrqk2ZeowbOo7pXgw? Please email us here with any suggestions and questions for future shows..

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Finishing up the week with Brian Redband and Cameron Haynes. How you doing Mark? Good baby, how you doing? Not too bad, not too bad at all. I love having both these guys on. It's always a pleasure to have Brian red band back in since he really started the podcast with Joe and Joe probably would have never made it without him. Right.

I'm pretty sure it was Brian's idea to even get going back in like 2008, 2009. No, no shit. So, yeah, we owe him a lot. We really do. And I'm a big fan of the Killtony show. So you are your love here and what they're getting up to you introduced me to Killtony, which we still need to do a good show. I know it's such a good show and And just the idea that you have to do one minute and then you get roasted. I mean how unique is that phenomenal separates men from the boys

I love it. Yeah, the boys I love it yeah baby I love it the he so Brian's been doing the keto diet which I didn't know about I don't know how much weight he's lost from it he's still fairly big I think I saw him not that long ago the comedy story's not he's not like a skinny dude so true I don't know but he says he's kind of stopped doing it now, so maybe he's put on some weight And he struggle with it of course It you did you ever try keto? I know you did like low-cob-ish for a while Yeah, like a couple years ago I did paleo

Which is I mean, it's pretty much keto I think keto and correct me if I'm wrong, I think keto is a little less emphasis on, like, organic, non-hormonal, non-hormones, type of food. Like, paleo is very much like clean living, um, also, like, no carb, like, no starches, um, no sugars, n- None of that shit. Technically, keto is more of a physiological response than a fancy name. You're either in ketosis or you're not. And you can do it with kind of lower quality fats and processed foods.

That's just never really that beneficial. It's not super healthy for you, obviously. But you can get yourself into ketosis that way. Exactly. Paleo is, it doesn't have a physiological response. It's not like your body is waiting to overly adapt to that type of food. You're just giving it better quality food. Right. Food. Period. But a lot of keto people do eat a lot better. Yeah, I mean, absolutely. And that just, that kind of just happens

because you are eating avocados and, you know, when you go to get butter, you get, you got to eat a lot of it. So it makes a lot more sense to get like grass fed and what is that stuff called carry gold? I don't know, I just just I've always said grass fed. I'd never seen anything else. I'd never seen anything else.

The, uh, monocle. Yeah, so that it, it, it kind of goes hand in hand with those things. But yeah, he's not doing so baroque tobo though. He's not down for that. Um, Brian is just cannot be bothered. Sure. Um, me either.

Whereas, yeah, where Joe is still in it it and I am also, and how many days, oh, 11 days left. Oh my. Oh my. You'll be, you'll be in Europe when it ends, right? Yeah, I'll be in Paris. Nice. We'll be doing international across the CES podcast. We'll see how well those go. I think they're going to be fine. I think they will. Maybe a bit of it delay, but we've edited that out somehow. If not, I'll do the show with my cat or something. Yeah, just do it on your own. I'll just do voices. Do my voice. Hello there. Hello, Gafna. Gonna listen to Joe Rogan, are we? Sounds just like you. I'm like, oh, look at we? That sounds just like you. I'm like oh look at that. It sounds just like Adam.

Yeah 11 days you can do it. You know one thing that he talked about that I really liked on this podcast especially coming from like the stand up point which Brian does do some stand up. I think I've seen him once. I don't think he does a ton but he does do some stand up. I think I've seen him once. I don't think he does a ton, but he does do some stand up. And he was saying the new iPhone watch, you can, if you put the phone and the watch in airplane mode, it will record from both of them separately. And I think it either mixes them together or you have two individual recordings.

But from a stand-up point of view, he was saying, if you put it on the stall, you've got the phone recording the audience. Right. Yeah. And then you've got your watch right next to you recording your jokes, like your shit. Yeah, great idea Dude that would really change the setup for I mean that that's probably the main reason

You don't get people just putting more of their regular sets on Instagram or online Because it there's more well. There's more production that has to go into it. You have to set up better sound and I thought that was freaking awesome idea. Yeah man. I don't have a damn iPhone like a poor asshole so I can't even stop that. Dude, do they do do they do watches for the Android phones? They must have. I have no idea. I mean I don't have a regular watch much less than I I phone watch or whatever the fuck it's called Oh, um, you could get one for your phone though, right? You have I found absolutely I want that I could but I'm not going to yeah, they're expensive, but I did really like that idea No, it's a great idea. You could imagine if you're doing a ton of sets and you want to get you want to capture a lot of

What you're doing and post it exactly Exactly. I think that that would be awesome. I read an interesting article and you may have read this. I think it came out in the early times a couple of weeks, months ago. It was talking about recording at the comedy store and because they're very, they're adamant, no video recording. They'll let the comics do audio, but no video recording of any kind. And I always just thought it was like, you know, you're in the comedy store, they trademark or whatever or they just wanted a policy. But they were saying one of the reasons they don't is because they want the comics to feel completely free to do whatever they want, say whatever they want and a safe environment

without somebody recording it and going viral and ruining their career, which I thought was really interesting. Have you ever heard that? Yeah. Have you ever heard that? Well, not that that was the official rule, but I knew that's why you can't record that. It's the same thing and what just happened with Louis

with the, what is it, the Parkland kids? Right, yeah. Because it was a new bit and he was already kind of in the dog house and he hadn't had time to really work it out. But it was very much a loo-y bit. Right, absolutely. It's exactly how he does his comedy, which is really, you know, what we've grown to love about it. But when a joke is in its infancy, it's clunky. Of course,

everyone knows this, or if you don't, you must. These amazing comics don't just immediately have a great story joke. No, they've got to work it. So it's all quiet at first, and sometimes they got to say some really fucked up shit just to kind of work through it, see what the response is. Yeah, see what the audience reacts to. You kind of, yeah, you clean it up later because you're like, oh, I can't put that in my special. Fuck you. But it came out. Yeah. It came out.

And especially those shows like stand up on the spot. I mean, they're just grabbing for anything. Yeah, man. I mean, it's very important that it stays private for that room. And that's just a respect thing for the comment. I agree. Well, God knows how many times we've said something awful and we're like, oh, my God, that it stays private for that room. And that's just a respect thing for the comic. A dream. Well, God knows how many times we've said something awful. And we're like, oh, my God, that was terrible.

I shouldn't have said that. Fuck. And I was like, oh, my God, I'm the worst fucking human being ever. I'm sorry. There's something like that. And you know, like you said to your friends, we're like, Jesus, imagine that going to the world.

And you'd be like,, I it was something dumb I said and I immediately regretted it and I'm sorry It was just a dumb joke in the moment, but instead your career is ruined welcome. Yeah I mean, I'm telling you I've been to stand up on the spot before and sometimes like Joe looks to get pretty high when he does that Yeah, man because you you get real creative Like it's scary, but you're creative. I can see it in the comics when they go up there, like oftentimes they are slightly more drunk than they would be with another kind of set. That's right.

Maybe slightly, slightly high, yeah, because it's just a different world. So things come out that are probably coming out at a rate that the comedian hasn't even been able to put it together. Exactly. And oftentimes I've heard some very funny things, but then even Joe has been like, whoa shit, all right, we'll scratch that. Exactly. Tend I didn't say. I mean, it's nothing crazy. I mean, there's still, it's still a reflection of like who they are, you know. So nothing really fucked up is coming out, but it's definitely pushing the limits. And it's definitely something that they would have toned down and they do not need being released.

100%. Yeah. So yeah, I think that's why people, is it the laugh factory that films you? I think it is. Yeah, I think you're right. Oftentimes the bigger comics are not going over that because You know they they even were saying that they don't film there anymore But I think they still do and it's like theirs they own it which is kind of crazy little like what? Yeah, I know well they can use it on their Instagram and whatever to kind of get more people following them and right of course overall You know sell more tickets but exactly it's it's not gonna work for these guys

and gals that are you know big name comics I don't I don't think so either what do you think about that would you want somebody else owning your set being able to post it that's an issue never not not one second you don't like no uh-huh no you don't that that's mine. It's not yours and it wouldn't sign a contract. Well, I wouldn't sign a contract to To the contrary you like no you don't get that you don't get my likeness without a Major fee sorry, especially if I'm a big comic. No not a chance. Don't film me No, yeah, you can you can promote my set as in like, cumsy homeboy at the laugh factory.

But no, you can't own my set. You can't own video recording of my set. Forget it. Over. It's my intellectual property. You don't get it. Yeah, it's certainly strange for sure. But hey, it's just like an old school thing.

I mean, in a sense, it's like a surveillance thing. It's like your privacy is your privacy. And this another thing Brian talked about as well. Like he's very suspicious of like all the Alexa stuff, Google Home things, webcams everywhere. You know, my buddy from England, I was talking to him about it and he's just like, and my older brother said the same thing. I don't know if this is like a general English mentality, but they're like, oh, it doesn't matter. You have all

the information you want. I mean, I'm not doing anything wrong, but I think they're missing the point. What are the percent? Maybe this is because I've become too Americanized and Now I'm all about freedom But it doesn't sound like freedom. It sounds like you know They just shouldn't have all this information. It does make me suspicious. It kind of makes me want to unplug my Alexa sometimes well the my Alexa sometimes. Well, the also leads to the question, well, who decides you're not doing anything wrong? Maybe someone decides what you said is wrong.

Like, you don't think you were doing anything wrong. You think you're doing everything above board. But somebody's listening and they don't think that. So they come back to fuck you somehow. I know attorneys have to turn their Alexa's off when they're in client meetings because it records everything. I don't want client meetings. I mean, it's you know, it's protected. It's a lawyer patient confidentiality, whatever the fact that's called. Yeah, they

would have to turn that turn that off. So it's a risk. I don't want people recording my shit. You don't get. Yeah, I don't really like it. I don't want people recording my shit. You don't get... Yeah, I don't really like it either. I don't worry about it too much, though. I don't either. I have them, right? I have them, and I use them.

And I kind of like the convenience. I feel like with the podcasts that I do, I put enough of myself out there and say enough stupid shit that's recorded anyway. So... Oh, no, you say wayward. No, I don't want to have to regulate what I'm saying or thinking because something might be recording me. I don't like just like no. I get to, the confines of my walls in my home

that's where I get to be free of anything. And it's not that I might be doing anything illegal, but I'm probably doing a lot of shit that's embarrassing in this joint. Like I'm trying to sing Taylor Swift lyrics, like I'm Robert Goulet and shit like that. I don't need that getting out. It's not illegal, but it's embarrassing.

Yeah. Yeah, it's, you know, here's the thing, the thing, the argument for them though, is like, okay, they may have all this data. Let's say they have it all, right? But how are they compiling it and are they keeping it? Like do they keep everything for months, or do they have a record of you for the last two days, and then they write over that?

I mean, they don't have an infinite amount of storage, and if it's 24 hours listening to you, and every single one of them is doing that, it's like how are they, oh totally, how are they archiving it? Oh yeah, no. But I think it's just the point and the beginning of it. Oh, yeah, no, you know, but I but I think it's just the the point and the beginning of it And it's it's a dialogue we should consider because when these devices get more advanced and

Data storage gets much cheaper who knows how they start compiling this information right well statistically it's very unlikely that They're gonna even that if it is compiled and stored, that the worst conspiracy theory you can imagine still statistically, it's very unlikely that they would even come across anything you're doing. I don't want them to have the option. That's where I am. True. I don't want you to have the option until you get a fucking warrant. There you go. Yeah, you know, Brian and Joe were talking about how they have started

calling people more, right? Because texting was like everything for a while. And, you know, you and I do this podcast and we do it over a phone call. Most of the time, we rarely will be in the same place just because where we live and work. And it's a phone call. I'm talking with my buddy. I forget a lot of the times that I'm in a sense doing a podcast. Like we both love talking about Joe Rogan, and what happened on the podcast. Like what was their conversation about? It's cool to just kind of go over it. We just spent three hours or how many hours listening to it. So three, you know, two bodies get into it. It's like a good excuse to have a chat

We're not texting about it exactly, but then also the advantage with tech with calling that I'm finding is like It's a better connection, right? It's yeah, it's more real than just texting each other. That means it's kind of nothing. It's just like a bit of You know reading exactly, but we get to cover a lot more. Right? One hundred percent. Yeah. There's no record of it too. Now texting is a paper trail. Not saying a bit of it. If we're talking about privacy, they're not recording the whole conversation. I mean, we obviously are. It's now a podcast. But generally, that you just get to talk about whatever and there's no record of it. So calling needs to come back

You need to we need to get away from text agree. I hate texting Yeah, just save it for people you actually don't want to talk to which is a lot of people Exactly. I think that's the whole point people collect friends, but they're not really close to them. So I'll just text you kind of thing point. People collect friends but they're not really close to them. So I'll just text you. Can I say? Yeah. I'd rather just, it's nice from some people too because you can, you got time to think about what they want you to do. Right. You know, like if they're asking for something and you're just like, fuck, I can't do that now. Right. But you can just leave them or like you got 10 minutes to think of an excuse. But if they call you, they might put you on the spot. Right. And then you're like, what do you do? And you're like, nothing. They're like, great. Can you help me move? Fuck. Fuck. Should have thought about that. Yeah. Versus, well, most people

don't call and ask because they're chicken shits. And they want to be like, oh, I don't want to hear the, I don't want to be disappointed. so I'll just do it over text. So I do it. Exactly. It's it. I pick my moments of bravery and they're generally not on the phone. What do you think about towards the end of the podcast when they were talking about the homeless issue in Santa Monica? Oh, in LA as a whole. Like they mentioned that it is 60,000 homeless people. I couldn't believe that when they said that's right

Yeah, I assume they're right. I think they googled it But that's a fucking lot of people. I think Los Angeles has the fewest amount of shelters per Home like thousand homeless people because like New York has a has even more but they have Way more shelters in places to go. Well obviously because it gets fucking sub-zero there several months out of the year people are going to dive exposure. Yeah, you're not going to dive exposure here. Generally not.

Generally not. I mean get burnt in a fire I guess. I mean the beach in Santa Monica if you're going to be homeless I that's... There could be worse places than the fucking beach by the ocean. I think that's why so many people come. I think so. It's gotta be right. It... I mean, dude, it's an absolute fucking problem, don't you think? Well, I don't go too far, Austin.

Like, I'll go to your house once a week, maybe, once every other week. I mostly stay in Santa Monica Venice has always been the same. There's always been just a ton of homeless people down there Yeah, they are creeping into Santa Monica for sure We're seeing a more and more around the boardwalk and the pier and our work and it was a brutal fight between two homeless guys the other day It was all right just slugging at each other I mean it this like seven in the morning Jesus. It's like how can you be that mad at that time? They're always operating at you know, you do see that change, but it's not like I'm going down to What do they call that area tent city or whatever? Yeah, Skid Row Yeah, I mean I I don't think I've been down there, or been past there once.

I have once. Ever, once or so. But you see him under the bridges, there's just a lot. I mean, what can be done? I feel bad. It's like, I don't want people to have to struggle like that. I know. But Jesus.

What are you supposed to do? I most have severe mental health problems, whether they're PTSD and they numb themselves with drugs, alcohol, or they're schizophrenic, and they're just on their own because they're schizophrenic. Either way, I mean, I feel like there's gotta be, there's definitely a better solution than what we got right now, don't you think?

I don't think that there's like a very easy process. Like one of the easiest things to do to stop them coming in your bar without insulting them too much. Like basically you're profiling if you say you can't come in because clearly that you can see that they're a homeless person, right? Like closer like raggedy. Yeah, but that's not really, that's discrimination in a sense. I mean, but if you just say, let me see your idea, because none of them have it. They've all lost their wallet. They've all lost their ID. They don't have all this shit.

You need to go get another one. And that really plays into the fact that they can't go get a fucking job. You can't do anything without a night. No, you can't open a bank account. I mean, so where do you even start from? So, you know, and this is if it was you and I, it would be a trouble, like a pain in the ass. Right.

We'd have to sit there and go, okay, right, we need to get state issue ID somehow, by using fingerprints or whatever. I mean, you know, we'd have to think it through. Yeah. But then when you add a really bad drug problem and a bunch of mental illness, how the fuck are they gonna figure it out? Like no one's there helping them out. No, no help.

And it sucks because I remember last year because I live in Sherman Oaks, California. And there was, there's been talk about building homeless shelters nearby, you know, cause we're starting to have our own homeless problem up here. Sherman Oaks is not the preferred destination for a lot of people. So it's just a suburb. But they are, we are starting to see more and more homeless people.

We'll see tents set up and things like that. And one of the discussions was building a homeless shelter. Some place for these folks to go. To be safe, to be taken care of. And there was was huge pushback because nobody wanted it in this neighborhood. None, nobody wanted it. And of course, it was all the property owners

and all the people that paid property taxes. It's like, no, my nice wasp neighborhood. Don't ruin it with a homeless shelter nearby. Like, yeah, I want to help people, but not really. And it was, it was, it sounds like you were, it sounds like you were pro homeless. Yeah, I'm pro helping people. And I'm like, do they, does it statistically help

all that much? And that sounds like a stupid question. Like obviously some people use it. But I heard that a lot of these people don't even go there anyway. They don't want to. Yeah, I don't know the answer to that. I wish I did, but yeah, I don't know.

Well, again, a lot of them have mental health issues. And there's again, there's get, most of them are schizophrenic. That's a huge, I mean, that's just, how many times do you seem talking to themselves? That's schizophrenia. Oh, oh. They need mental health.

They need to be, I mean, really, if you really want to pinpoint it, you got to go back to The 70s and early 80s when state mental health facilities work defunded and closed and a lot of them were just released And there's really never been a solution past that. It's a lot of band-aids on an open wound kind of thing If you really want to get real with it, you have to get people that are really mentally ill It's a frenic and you have to treat it, you have to get people that are really mentally ill, it gets a frenic, and you have to treat them. And you have to make sure that they're staying in treat. That's the best way to help them. But it's very difficult to take somebody against their will. And like, drugs, antisecotics in them. So it's just this, it's a very difficult situation.

Yeah, I think that's the key. It's incredibly difficult. People shouldn't forget regardless of what side of this argument they're on, because getting them to cooperate is difficult. Very. We're talking about, you know, often deeply disturbed individuals. They're very suspicious and super paranoid, and then you want to give them medication. Oh, god no. And it's going to be a mess. Even if if they do they start feeling better and they go off it

Happens all the time. Yeah happens all the time. Well these guys didn't have much of a solution either But it I think it's good when he talks about it when Joe brings it on you know because he he doesn't He doesn't want people to struggle like this and he just points out what's happening and the LA area is you know It's a huge example and crazy experiment in what happens when you have a fuck ton of homeless people and we're gonna see what happens and something when he does happen. It was great as always having Brian on, I always like him, the conversations are always ridiculous and silly, Brian says, you know, a lot of silly stupid shit, but he doesn't

give a fuck. And as the co-creator of it, you know, it's always nice to hear them like hook back up and have a chat. I gave this one a 7 out of 10. I enjoy Brian. He's great. Awesome. Podcast 1365, Cameron Haines, the man, the legend, who is? Bohunter, Extreme Ultra Marathon Runner, General Supermotivating Dude, if you follow him on Instagram, if you ever feel like, you know, you're being lazy and you need to pick me up He's kind of like a David Goggins type character and they they start the Podcast off in a great way. They were talking about the responsibility of of motivation. Yeah, and and you know They're both of these guys. I don't think it was like Joe's

Focus really ever to become like a motivating source right just the way he speaks, he does it. And with that, he's kind of responsible. Or at least they take responsibility in it. They take it seriously. Right. And it's important. There are plenty of people out there that are not fucking motivated at all.

And they need anything they can to get going. We know plenty of those people. I'm the same way. Yeah. Do you get pumped? Do you ever look at anyone's Instagram and say, I should fucking pick myself, you know, get moving? Does anything like that resonate with you? No, it's, if I look at someone's Instagram and I'm motivated to do better, it's a byproduct, not, it's not because of what they did is generally seeing people that

Arnaz talented is me doing better and it's because they are Work harder or more disciplined that motivates me by once oh I go, okay, that's interesting I once heard a great phrase and I it's always stuck with me is like motivation is shit Discipline is everything because motivation fades, but discipline can remain because it's of your own doing. And I always loved that. Setting goals, setting goals, I go to the gym. Like when I'm not reeling from back problems,

like I have been for the last two weeks, I'm usually in the pool. And I usually go Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday. That's just, I said a schedule. I usually go about two in the afternoon, one to two in the afternoon. I said a schedule because that's important to me, but that's discipline. I make an appointment that I have to go because I can find a million reasons not to, but I discipline myself. The girlfriend and I, we have a calendar and we set goals for each other With consequences and I don't feel particularly motivated, but it's discipline saying this is due then

This is due then even making lists in some way Helps me because it's not all scattered in the ether like what I need to do I can look at a specific list my girlfriend's way better at it than I am I look a specific list I'm like a B C D E F and G got at it than I am. I look at a specific list and I'm like, A, B, C, D, E, F, and G, gotta get all this done. That's what's due today. I'm accountable to no one but myself and sometimes my girlfriend, because I have to buy her fried chicken if I don't meet my goals. But yeah, generally I'm only accountable to myself,

but just having the list and knowing this is what I need to get done, that helps me. So that's kind of how I deal with motivation It's more disappointed than anything. You hit on a good point because List really are where it is It's so you can't start anything until you know what direction you're going. Yeah, and I don't I'm not good with it every day And I wish I was I get I get like three or four days in a row and then I've got everything done and it's good and then it's not that I get lazy, but I get

disinterested No, like complacent. Oh, I'll still get everything done tomorrow, even if I don't make it right, but then all of a sudden I find out that I get way less done because I I haven't written a lot of stuff down. That's why I like doing this podcast as well. Yeah. There is a discipline aspect of it. Like we need to organize this and do it a few times a week and it helps with other things. It's true. You know, Jocco Willink says it.

I even have one of his t-shirts because I'm a big dog. It says discipline equals freedom. It's true. I don't know. You're one of the most, very true. You're one of the most disciplined guys I know though. I mean, you're pretty regimented with what you do for your week. Podcasts, jujitsu, time with a girl, work.

Like, you pretty, I mean, you, it seems like you have your week mapped out pretty specifically every time I see you're talking to you. Yeah, it's pretty much the same. That's what I still that's okay. I practiced it a lot and got to it and You know, I just know I feel better when I do a Certain amount of things. I mean Joe talks about this too. He gives himself like what he's owed He owes this to the weak like so many this and that and many of this and that. And it is one of those things. It's like that will only benefit anyone. And it's great that he has that message.

I never heard shit like that when I was in high school. Not even college. I know. You're just like study, make sure you study. No teachers will like, hey, make sure you also create a routine for fun things you like to do. So you can balance this home one.

It's true. Like, never routines are so important. So all degree. Yeah, it didn't they it needs to be talked about I think it's very beneficial and what's nice about it is you know there are people out there not getting shit done they feel like shit because of it yeah they and they can apply this it's not that difficult and all of a sudden you find yourself doing things, you didn't really change a lot in your life. You're like, oh, I don't. I feel better and I mean, it's not like I'm working that much harder. Yeah. I think it's more exhausting to not have a good routine because you never know what direction you're headed in.

I um, I find nothing more satisfying than completing tasks and it's a do list. Like, I just love it. So if I set a goal, like, we're redoing our kitchen in a couple of weeks and I'm gonna make some floating shelves and sand the cabinets and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but we're setting goals, we're setting dates for it and completing that, completion of these tasks is going to be so fulfilling. I can't wait. I mean I've

been having a blast just coming up with it but task completion finishing your to-do lists. It's such a great high. I love it. Yeah and I think so much of it too you see this great discipline with hunters like... have to camon haves and others especially bow hunters because it's it's one of those sports that requires so much of you you've got to take a week off yeah every year you got to sign up for these hunts you got to get over the setup camp you know you're hiking all day you've got to be prepared all for this one shot and at best if you get it you know you get a bull elk down, then you've got a quarter of that bitch and carry it out.

And then prep all that meat and get it to your freezer, and then that's it. You got great food for you and your family as organic as you can imagine and as free ranges of gets. But I mean, there's a ton of discipline in there. It's like you could be the most naturally born, amazing hunter ever. You could be like the whole guy of people, just able to shoot anything.

But that's not enough when it comes to going bohunts. Yeah, man. There's so much more that goes into just the one shot. Though the one shot is very important. It's very important. But you gotta have it. Talent is never enough talent is never enough step you think Steph Curry No, just just shows up at games and shoots threes. He's dudes immensely talented, but the dude Practices for fucking hours a day

shoots like Thousand three pointers of some shit like that every fucking day. That's one of the reasons he's so fucking good. Well, the same thing. That level of obsession, too. That's why they're the best. I guess that's one thing that I don't feel like I'm all about obsessed about something. And Joe talks about this a lot.

You know, Cameron Haines is super obsessed. You can't run 200 miles in an ultra marathon without being incredibly obsessed. No, you can't. I wonder if that's like if you can build it or you're just born with obsession or even how to define it. It's a great question. Obsession to me sounds like something you can't even stop yourself doing. I know creatively when I'm writing, you can't even stop yourself doing. I know creatively when I'm writing, whether it's jokes or sets or scripts. If I get an idea that I'm working on, I will become obsessed with it. And like I'm working on something right now, and I'm pretty obsessed with it. And it's not going to go away until I get it out of me.

Like I have to get it finished, I have to get, or I'll just stay obsessed. I mean, I've had stories I was working on years ago that they'll crop back into my brain, and I will be obsessed on it for six to eight weeks until I work out whatever problem I have and blah, blah, blah, blah. I mean, that's how I write. I'll incubate on stories for years, but I have these periods of obsession,

something sparked in me and that is what I work on. That's the only time really. Yeah. I guess I guess that is somewhat similar to me. I'll get bouts of it where I'm like really into something and really go for it. Sometimes I feel like I go in too many directions though. You know what I'm saying? When you're doing, you know, you do your stand up,

you do your ride thing, you've got your job, you do your podcast, you do, hang out with your girlfriend, then you've got your friends and Giu-Jitsu, it's like, hold on, how do I even get obsessed with one of this? I just try and do it all is what I try and do. That's my best that I can, you know, and maybe that's it, maybe I just don't get obsessed.

But I'm a little jealous of people that say it. Like they're like, I'm obsessed with it and then you see them getting good and it's like, through. You see it in Jiu-Jitsu for sure. They're guys that straight up pass me out. No problem. Interesting. So, oh yeah, because they just go so much.

True. They like truly are obsessed and they're gonna, well, learn it faster, but I'm like, I fuck, I don't have time. I think you hit the nail on the head, though. You got a little, a lot of pots on the burners. You know what I mean? You got a lot of things going on. And that's okay, too. Like, you don't have to be completely obsessed about one thing. You can spread yourself a little bit. I think it's okay. There's more than one way to... Yeah, you got it. There's more than what... Yeah, to run 200 miles and a fucking ultramarathon. Yeah, you're going to have to be obsessed. You're just a r, but you know, I've met plenty of successful people who weren't obsessed. They were just disciplined and good.

With his another angle to this as well. And Joe hits on it in this podcast when he's talking to Cameron. He always gets to find the best teachers. So you look at Joe Rogan's Jetsu and I train with Anato, whose cousins with Jean-Jacques who teaches Joe Rogan. Well, what Joe's done is he's gone and found the best people to turn under. So, in a sense, if you take obsession out of it, be just for the work in, you're already round the best people, right?

And you see, at parallel with Joe, he's always wanted to talk to the smartest humans, even though he can't understand high-level physics physics or at least do any of the math on him, but he loves it. He wants to sit there and be, you know, these are often professors at Harvard or just people that have done TED talks. I mean, they're good at passing their knowledge and he puts himself right in the way and brings it to everyone else. A lot of people that would have never taken the time to bother to listen to an economist, than a physicist, than a whatever, and a politician, and it's a good way of doing it. And then you've got Cameron Haynes. Right.

An incredible bow hunter. He's a master. He's one of the best guys in the country. I, maybe, I don't know of that for sure, but he's up there. And Joe has been able to train with him exclusively. They've become very good friends. I mean, his learning curve then is so much steeper, but more effective. You know, he's probably learned 10 years with a bow hunting in four. Yeah. Maybe more. And, you know, you add his discipline and a little bit of obsession to it, but it's almost like you don't even need to be that obsessed then. If you've got the very best people teaching you, you know, you're gonna learn shit real

fast. True. Well, Scott Frank, who wrote the movie Minority Report, Get Shorty, Out of Site, a couple other things, really great fucking writer, and director, and I saw him at some conference once, and they asked him what was one of his keys to success. And he said, always be the dumbest guy in the room. He goes surround yourself with people that are smarter, and then shut the fuck up and listen to them.

And I was like, well, that is, hitting the nail on the head if I've ever heard it before. Like, no pretence, just like, Yeah, he's like, be the dumbest guy in the room, then shut the fuck up and listen. I loved it. Yeah, the difficult thing is getting in that room. If you all the dumbest guy. True, true, true, because how did you get in there if you don't, like, what's your value? Well, he is pretty good. I mean, it's easy for Scott Frank to say because he's pretty damn smart. So he, there's's not gonna be a lot of people

that are much smarter than him. But it is a great point. He's saying, you know, get around people that, you can learn from him. You can learn from him. And try and create some value so that you can stay in that room. I mean, for Joe, he was famous.

True. And his podcast was getting big. And he's very likable. People are very surprised, I think, when they talk to him, at least early on before the podcast was so massive, they were like, oh, this me-ed, the fucking thing of the guy. But then they're like, wow, he's a great conversationist, actually very nice. He's very curious. He doesn't show off and like, he's not like, oh, I'm so fucking awesome all the time. He just wanted to know. He listened. He wants to learn. He's curious. I mean, he was friends with Neil deGrasse Tyson very early on

in the making of this podcast. And it was kind of before Neil deGrasse was like a big TV like science celebrity. Exactly. But he was just bigger in the science world. But you know, they had like a connection of understanding and you know who Neil deGrasse is hanging out with, the smartest fucking people in the world. Absolutely.

I find they can have good conversations. I find curiosity to be one of the best attributes a human can have because it implies I don't know everything, but I want to learn. I love it. I love curiosity in terms of like education, things like that. Not in like getting up in my business. Like, what did she say about you? Like fuck that, but, right. But curiosity is a great attribute to have. Well, what I liked about the way they ended this podcast, then again, it was, it was why it's such a

good one because they're such good friends as they As they talked about what keeps them doing so well. And it's like right after the success, right? That you take down a bull while bull hunting or you've just had a big comedy show or he's just done something really important like finished his special. Right. Right, Joe's finished the stand-up special.

He immediately wants to get back to work and he says It's because I'm not a big fan of me Ah and that's where the motivation of work comes from he doesn't sit there Just going I'm fucking awesome look how great I am I did do all this I'm so good He just says you know what I can do better and I need to keep working at this and he gets straight back to it And I love that because I think we're all fighting for that moment where we're like, yeah, we're finally there, we're finally the best, we finally did great.

Right. But you can't stop there, you can't just like retire. You know, you can't George Costanza the Joe can be like, okay, I'm out. No, it's it. I'm leaving. Conversely, if you get to the point where you're like, I'm the best, this is, you know, this is peak.

Oh, you're in for a real big letdown the next time. Like whatever you're doing. It's not gonna be as fun. So just keep, you know, a quest to better oneself is always as noble a quest as you can have, I think. Yeah, this was a good reflective motivating podcast that I liked it a lot. I mean, it always is with these two guys and their best buddies and You know they get a bit flowery with their friendship just constantly talking about how much they appreciate each other Which is cool, but slow it down right get a rim boys all that yeah Give them a lot of shit for that, but it's quite fun. But yeah, it's a good one.

I give this a 7 out of 10, definitely worth a listen. And if you're all the kind of person that resonates with a podcast that kind of gets you pumped, this is definitely that type of one. This is it for sure. Right on. There we go. Thanks, Mark, for joining me today.

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