Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - A Joe Rogan Experience Review of Jocko et al.

Episode Date: June 28, 2020

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5, 4, 3, 2, 1. You're listening to the Joe Rogan Experience Review. What a bizarre thing we've created. Now with your hosts, Adam Thorn, and Mark Hampton. This might either be the worst podcast with the best one of all time. Hello guys and welcome to another episode of the JRE review. I've been away for a while. Did, did, what, like a month I think out, but we are back and we've got some good announcements and some great episodes to talk about. Join today by my body ash. How you doing bud? I'm doing great, how are you today? Good good full English cast today so this is a first for the for the J.I. review it's it's gonna be

interesting first announcement obviously Joe old news now but sold to Spotify for what I've heard is a hundred million dollars a hundred million dollars can you believe that shit Ash? Yeah that's that's an insane amount of money apparently the Spotify stocks went through the roof as soon as that $100 million. Can you believe that shit Ash? Yeah, that's that's an insane amount of money apparently that the Spotify stocks went through the roof as soon as that nice one came out so they they won instantly I think Yeah, I think it's definitely gonna pay for itself in no time Also this week Joe celebrated his 18 year anniversary of being announced with for the UFC.

And honestly, I couldn't even imagine the UFC without Rogan. You know, we get to see it because he doesn't do all the fights now, but when he does, it's always special. Oh, Joe's great. Whenever I watch a fight and he's not commentating, I'm kind of bummed. I almost feel like turning it off, you know. He does play a big part. Yeah, should you think of any other sport? It's not really like that to wear a commentator makes such a big difference, but at least early on,

you know, I was watching this back in 2005, and it was before I did any Jiu Jitsu. I didn't know what a lot of the moves were. I didn't really know what was happening at any point and the way he would break it down almost educate you as he goes he doesn't need to do that quite as much these days but he played such a pinnacle part of of making that sport even makes sense to a lot of people I think. Oh I agree 100% I think I think what Joe does really well what you said is he explains very technical moves And he slows it down and breaks it down so like you can understand it very simply You know, so this guy needs to just put his hand on his wrist and crank it that way

Yeah, and before you know what like a Camorra is or Americana. You're like what the fuck are they doing? Yeah, I will know I do what's happening. Yeah, oh he's doing exactly what Joe just told him to do What's happening? You're like, oh, he's doing exactly what Joe just told him to do It's almost like this you just stand next to his commentary booth It'd just be like wait till Joe says it and then we'll figure out what's next Well, that was a big thing in the the fights lately because if there's no cry. There's no noise Fighters were hearing the commentators like they could hear dc when they were fighting so they were actually using dc's commentary is coaching

no she has to be interesting so he they got free coaching from like legit badass ufc fighter you're like mid-fight that's pretty cool i think uh... i wonder i wonder how that changed the. I wonder if it actually gave anybody an advantage or not I Think it did I can't remember the guy's names too heavy weights, but he's like I heard after when he did the The post-fight interview He's like yeah, I heard I heard DC and then I realized that to switch up what I was doing That's great. Yep, you gotta listen to DC, you know this shit.

All right, the first episode of the week that we're gonna cover, 1492, Jocco Willink. It's great to be back and do a Jocco one. He's such a bad motherfucker. I know Asher, a big fan. Oh, yeah, I get some. Get some. I mean, the good video alone is enough. If nobody's heard heard of Jaco and you like to push yourself and do awesome shit You know or you're just trying to get through a difficult time man that good video is next to none It's probably the most motivational thing I've ever seen and it's like three minutes long All hundred percent I think I think what's so good about it is there's so many different contexts inside that video that it could apply to so many people.

Oh yeah, in every situation or most. Yeah, so you just got to, we won't do it just just talking about it, will we? So you just got to watch it. Good, good. That's good. All right, well they started off, you know, I mean it got deep in parts.

It was kind of, it was heavy towards like what was happening at the moment, the current climate, the, you know, the Black Lives Matter stuff, the protests, the riots, police response. I mean, there was a lot to cover in this one. And Jocco with his background in leadership training as a Navy SEAL team commander. And you know also is Jiu Jitsu skill. I mean I really appreciated his input on this. And I feel like you know even with Joe's background with martial arts I mean it spoke a lot. You know it wasn't like just two dummies talking about their opinions. There was a lot of weight in this. And when they started with the cops, don't often seem

to get enough training. There's not the resources for it. And, you know, they were talking, a jokker said that before they go in deploy, he does like so many months of training, like intense training before big deployment, yet these cops get a couple of classes. You know, I just wanted to hear like, what was your take on that? Yeah, it's a heavy subject for sure.

Joe even commented on a couple of podcasts, like, you know, it's been really heavy lately. So I think, I think one of the things Jocco was talking about, obviously, was in regards to the training, what he didn't actually mention, which I kind of looked at was that, you know, the Navy seals are one of the biggest funded special forces unit in the world. So they have a kind of unlimited unlimited budget, you know, they get the highest, highest caliber equipment and training going. And then unfortunately, there's a lot

of police departments out there who's funding isn't particularly great. And they just don't have the resources to do the training that Jocco is talking about, you know. Yeah, of course. Yeah, it would be fantastic if they could do one day a week, whether it's just scenario-based training, but I think in reality, some of these smaller departments are really struggling. Yeah. So what do you think of Fixed Could Be then?

I mean, they mentioned that one thing I really liked was that they talked about every cop should be a purple belt. And I remember you talking about that with me just on the phone while we were discussing it. It's like, well, that's a lot of work, you know, but it's every one of them could do it. Do you think that that could ever be like a mandatory requirement? I don't think it will, unfortunately. I do agree that you should be at least a purple belt to be in that kind of job. It's just the logistics for me.

I mean, you know how long it takes for people to get to purple. You're looking at a good, on average, what do you think, like four years of training to get to a purple belt? Yeah, at best. At best. Yeah, so then all of, you know, if a cop's like, right, I want to be, if someone's like, I want to be I want to be someone's like I want to be a cop

And I'm I'm 21 and I can be a cop now. It's like are they gonna wait for years? Well, they get their jujitsu purple belt before they can be a cop or Do they just start mitt? So maybe you could be training though, you know like maybe the force could pay for your membership Yeah, yeah, and I'm sure if you talk to schools, they could do, they could set up a discount for law enforcement. So you could probably get $100 a month if that's paid for by the department. And then let's say you're in academy, but then you've just started Jiu-Jitsu.

So as long as you're in it, and then it's like, you know, they do give you a period of time, like yeah, you have your four years. I mean, I think real quick, six months of training, you know, three times a week on top of your job. You, if you're taking it seriously and seeing it as your job,

there could be like certain stage point certificates for like completion. I mean, even after six months of training, you're not gonna fucking kneel on somebody's head for eight minutes. Like you would know better that quickly. Oh, even if you're Jiu-Jitsu, who wasn't that sharp? 100%.

I think anyone who's with after like three months of being a white belt, I would fancy them more against someone who doesn't know any Jiu-Jitsu, you know? Yeah, I liked it. I liked that idea. I thought it was, it was smart and I don't know, I'd feel safer. I mean, I mean, Joko never fuck with any cops. Yeah, Joko's a big, huge advocate for Jiu-Jitsu in schools and, you know, for kids doing Jiu-Jitsu at a young age. So imagine if everyone did jujitsu, so everyone has that like base for it and then you could nobody would fight ever.

Well, because you, we could be getting in fights. You know, it's like, you know, we both train jujitsu. The more you train, the less you would want to actually have to use it, you know? And then you do develop an incredible temperament while some guys sat crushing you. You know, like you're getting really bad spots. Well, I do.

You're getting these really bad positions, you know, and you're under a lot of stress on those body weights on you. You're tired. You know, there's three minutes left and around but yet you can still maintain your composure, you know. Yeah. And, you know, let's, you know, let's you can still maintain your composer. Yeah. And let's not get confused on the issue.

Like, Najako says as well, being a police officer is probably the hardest difficult job in this country, especially right now. For sure. There's so many variables. I think the one thing, obviously, which is Jjitsu and being a cop on the street is that you have to Be aware of your weapon and not let anyone take your weapon So that kind of changes the dynamic as well But in terms of sure, but you know by doing this if this was like nationally mandatory in a sense

You they they could make a modified version, you know, where you are, like paying attention to this. Yeah, one of the guys, one of my professors actually teaches to law enforcement around the state, it's a blend of, it's kind of like a martial arts, it's a kind of a law enforcement jiu-jitsu. So it's about, you know, maintaining space, keeping your weapons safe, and then how you safely, safely, detain someone, and make the arrest safely with no one. Because no one wants to go out there and hurt people. There's probably some people that do, unfortunately, and that's the reality of it. But the cops that I know want to go out there and do their job for the best their ability

and go home, everyone goes home safe. That's why they do the job. I think if you did sue, everyone did you do it sue and at least respected you did. I think it would definitely make a big impact for sure. What did you think about when they said there could be a public class that kind of shows you how to get arrested? I thought it was quite funny in a way, but like kind of interesting. Like what to expect. What is it? It's almost like you run through a little scenario where a cop like actually arrests you. Yeah. This is what you should know and how to move. I kind of feel like that's a fucking good idea.

I think it's a great idea because in the day like you don't know what you don't know right? And the police officer's job, one of their jobs is to know the law and unfortunately a lot of general public don't actually know the law or are aware of the law or they think they know the law right so they get their camera out and they're filming it and you're like, you can't do shit, you can't do shit and they're like, actually I can. You know, all the answers, you know, whether the person's allowed to do that or not and they probably are allowed to just film it and express their own rights. It's like, well, you know, he's the cops, the lust of he's safe. Yeah. He's still trying to keep the person he's talking to safe. And at the end of the day, he's trying to figure out

what's going on with whatever the police stop is. So he needs some assistance. 100%. 100%. I think it'd be a great idea. So hey, if this happens to you, here are the top three things that people get pulled over for. Here is how to behave when you get pulled over. Or here is how to behave when you get pulled over, or here

is how to behave when you get stopped in the street. Here's the top three things you should do or what you should say. In some cases, it might be like, here's what you should not say, you know? Right. Yeah. I think it would be a smart move. And then of course they get back to like how the fuck do we move forward with this country? Yeah. You know, they're talking about the election coming up. So we got Trump. We got Biden. I mean, all right, if you're not a Trump guy, then sorry, but you got Biden. Who does seem like he's really not making a lot of sense.

At least with his speaking, he has a bit of an issue, so he's gonna struggle against Trump, who doesn't seem fazed by this. Yeah. He's not aged a day. And, you know, it's like who could run? And I loved it when Jocco was like the rock. The fucking rock should run. Oh, when he said that, I was like,

this is the best fucking thing I've ever heard Just so good, right? Yeah, just the rock runners an independent party He he would have one hundred how many followers does he own an Instagram like a hundred and fifty million or some Yeah, I think he's like he's top five. I think Kristiana Ronaldo the football player is Top I think like 165 But the rocks right out there if he's like hey running for I'm running running for president He would get it. I got no doubt him. I he wouldn't even he wouldn't even need to have campaigns on TV No, he should you could just do it all on Instagram. Yeah, just do a fucking funny Instagram post with

Kevin Hart. Yeah, and then everyone will just laugh, but I'll vote for you. He's just got that, maybe. He's just got, he's just a people's person and he's super humble. He's very much like Jocco in the sense, even Joe, like you don't really know what side of the political fence they sit and they do a very good job of articulating their opinions without really going either way. Does that make sense? I feel like these days it's so extreme leftal right and it's like fuck you, you're a Democrat and it's like I hate you,

people don't even want to listen to what they're the person saying anymore. There's no conversation right? Whereas these guys seem to articulate their point without really offending anyone and going too extreme either way, which is a real skill, especially in this day and age, you know, where everything is right now, for sure. Well, they suggested running, him running as an independent, which I thought was cool, because that would really open up the party system And I mean once you get three parties it like we're from England So we have multiple parties, you know, I don't know what they consider England

But I guess it's mainly three parties, right? We got the Liberals the Lib Dem or the Labour party the Lib Dem Conservatives. Yeah I guess what, the Green Party is like one guy, right? Yeah, one dude, but you know, I mean it's multiple. There's more of a choice. Here is just red or blue. If you're not on that, you can't be anything. So an independent party being established and really being at a push forward. I mean, it would be interesting if they made some sort of party in the middle. It may be the first time we've ever had

a chance in the US to kind of bring these things together. I mean, you know, and we're invested here. We're both citizens, you know, I've lived here a very long time and you recently got your citizenship. So, you know, I mean, we're more invested here than we are back home. I don't follow a lot of the ship back home. So I'm very invested in seeing a system work here that's just, I don't know, better than it is. 100% I would love to see. I mean, there's people really, really struggling out there, you know? And, yeah.

And a lot of these things, people are protesting and it's really happening, you know, you can't bury your head in the sand and ignore it. And what I find really interesting as well as how small England is, like, I think many Americans haven't been to England so they don't understand how small it is, England fits inside California multiple times, the state. And yet, there's fits in Texas five times. Yeah, so there's four or five parties that you could potentially vote for to run your country in England, but over here, and one of the biggest countries in the world, there's two. You've got two options. So, like you said, when you've got your two options, ah, who they are right now, you're like screwed either way to be honest I know it's it's something especially when they don't have leadership that you can really follow in as well that's a little bit

I don't know it's just a bit disconcerting well I think the the rock touched on this and then Jocco did the the lack of leadership in the country that no one's really staring the ship right now, you know. And I don't mean terms is that I just mean like just standing up and be like, hey this is what's going on, this is what we're gonna do. And kind of acknowledge, acknowledge both sides and be like, okay this is definitely a problem when we need to, I don't know what the answer is, I really don't, but like, you have to acknowledge the people,

the people are angry, people are hurt, you know, you've gotta acknowledge that for sure. For sure, I mean, you know, it's like, it's the COVID stuff that they were talking about. I mean, it seems like COVID wasn't as bad as we thought it would be We took massive precautions from it You know kids on a school people haven't been working, but you know now things are kind of Showing up people are showing antibodies. They didn't really get all that sick

And it did lead to in a sense the riots in some way because it wasn't just a George Floyd thing. I mean, that was disgusting, but it seemed like that was a catalyst. That was like, everyone was already stressed, already frustrated. We're not getting the information that we need. It's everyone's back and forth on wear a mask. Don't wear a mask. What's your hands? Don't do this don't go there. Don't go out and we're like what the fuck and You know as soon as this happened, you know that poor guy got killed murdered really yeah, um 100% Yeah, it just people lost it They lost and they got really really frustrated and then it just it went bananas and yet a lot of that does seem to have come from just you know

the lack of leadership on all the sides from everybody it wasn't like anybody had a better answer you know. No just everyone is just pushing their own agenda instead of really helping the people and most importantly moving the country forward. Now you've got the EU who are banning travel from America. They're like, you can't fly into the EU from the United States, which is absolutely unheard of. It's always been the other way. Europe's looking over here and go, sorry, you're not coming here Right, it's crazy. There's a lot of cases here, you know, especially in New York. I mean Things are starting to open up though, you know, it's getting a bit more normal

They talked about people potentially going back to Gigi. So I think when they recorded this jocke I haven't opened his gym, but I know you've opened yours, mine is not open. What kind of precautions are you taking up there? Oh, we've got very strict protocols in place. You have to wait for the other class to finish before you can go in the building, the mats are heavily sanitized before you have a temperature check on the way in. You can only roll with someone in your household. The classes are obviously limited. It's very, very few people in the class compared to a normal class, obviously. And yeah, you can only either roll with someone in your family or you've had contact with

or like a training dummy. So it's pretty, it's very different. And I think, oh wow. And I think it's gonna be, it's gonna be very different for everyone, for a while. This is gonna change the way we live our lives for a very long time, I think. So I think, that's not, I think as a, so if you don't live with someone that trains,

you just, which I don't, you just have to roll with a dummy. Yeah, it's almost pointless. I wouldn't even bother going to the sky. I mean at least you'd win it I'm gonna try what you two videos do what at least you'd win every time Yeah, you wouldn't get your ass kicked quite as bad It's gonna take a long time to get the next belt if you're not rolling with a human being Yeah, for sure. It's it's a it's a very unrealistic way to do it. I think but I don't know I don't know what, again, I don't know what the answer is, I don't know what the alternative and I think it's like that in so many different areas of our lives, right?

Like I said, it's going to change the way we live our lives for a long time. And I think as a society, we just have to accept it and just get on with it. Yeah. And I think respect those people that you know you hear people making comments Well, oh the this person's wearing a mask everywhere they go and it's like people are some people are genuinely worried about this thing You know and if they want to wear their mask everywhere, let them It's no big deal. Yeah, I don't progress. Yeah, I Don't wear mine just kind of like walking around,

but I do try to respect people's space still. 100% even though I don't know if it's, I don't know what I personally believe about it, like whether it's a big deal, like, you know, whether to walk by somebody, but I just see if you're wearing a mask, you're obviously being cautious, and I don't know what your health condition is.

So I'll just, I'll walk around it, you know, across the street or whatever. Joe and Jocco, I felt like almost said that it didn't exist without really saying it. They kind of did do that. Yeah, which, you know, if that is the case, then that's the case, but they can't be sure. And I don't know if it's wise to really throw that out when there are people that still could get sick. Yeah, Joe said Joe, Joe gets like tested daily. That's intense. He was just like, Jocco sat down and he's like,

all right, we're going to do a COVID test on you today and he just made, whoever it was, just order the test, get the doctor in a test Jocco. Yeah. I'm like, you must have some kind of titanium testing kit to test jocco. Special needles, the puncture is right now. Yeah, 100%. Joe did talk about leaving L.A. and he has been doing that for a while.

Yes. And he's been kind of like, kind of like catastrophizing in a sense, just waiting for the big catastrophes. He's always talking about the cold arrow or the big massive super volcano or just all the types of shit that can go down. But he really pointed to something in point. He was like, LA is not ready for a catastrophe to happen. You could see it just, you could see it with the riots. I mean, a lot of cities did.

I mean, the police force wasn't ready for any of that. And on top of that, it's like getting sick, you know, if this actually was as bad as they thought and food did run out, like, you don't wanna be in LA, I wouldn't imagine. Oh, it'd be a nightmare, wouldn't it? Just, you know, we've never had it so good as a society, right? The majority of us, I'm not saying everyone

because there are people that don't and there are people that are genuinely struggling. But as a society in general, we've never had it so good. We have this instant gratification where I thought I can order something out, Amazon, and it's like at my door in five minutes. You know, and that's everything, my groceries, whatever. So when the shit hits the fan, we just don't know what to do.

We don't know how to stick together. We don't know how to work together. We just, people just lose their minds because we're not tested. People aren't tested and their lies anymore. So when big shit like this happens, there's a really good book called Tribe by Sebastian Younger and he talks about that. You know how people survived and when London was being bombed in the war and how the communities came together. Like, it's frightening because like you said, if something really like, you know, Joe says, if something really did happen here, like, I do not have a lot of faith in humanity.

Yeah, we're not, we're not ready to, to like, come together well. I mean, you saw this by just people buying all the fucking toilet paper and paper towels. Yeah, people don't give a fuck about anyone else. No, I don't understand that. Like, why? Like, I've all the shit. I'd be like, let me get some red wine, some whiskey, some cigars, and people were just buying, people were, like, women are fighting over toilet roll.

Yeah, and pasta. It's, it's, when we got really pissed off because you couldn't buy like 14 fucking packets of pasta. And what amazed me honestly is I felt right, stress is hit, everything's getting scary. So the liquor section is going to be empty. That was not true. I mean, it does make more sense. People should go for cans of tomatoes and pasta like rice. Yeah, like that's what keeps you alive But I mean I almost couldn't believe that like all toilet papers gone or paper towels are gone and all the liquor still there Yeah, people need people need to get their priorities sorted Yeah, right should be Margarita time. We don't have to work for like four months

So ever drink relax bars are closed It's the it's the whole it's the panic thing isn't it like you know and Joe and Jaco talk about it We don't have to work for like four months, so have a drink, relax, the bars are closed. It's the whole, it's the panic thing, isn't it? Like, you know, and Joe and Jocco talk about it, like social media, social media rules the world now. And as soon as one person says on their Facebook or their Instagram, you know, you need to buy toilet roll. You know, the front door slams, the car tires, the screeching, everyone's getting to the store. Because they're like, shit, we need toilet paper. And they're like, why? And they're like, I don't know, but I need loads.

You know, and then that's it. They're just. Yeah, it's exactly that. I mean, we're learning a lot. We're learning a lot about how people behave and what happens. And this was kind of a trial run because this wasn't a massive global sickness. I mean, it wasn't like millions and millions of people died.

It was a lot of people. It was still bad. It still needed to be shut down in ways and and it really showed some limitations and a lot of the systems the hospitals government response all this but if it was a lot worse We would have been fucked because we do not have the systems in place to to make this To make that survivable. I mean, they're talking about 40% to small businesses are gonna go on.

Yeah, it's so sad, man. So sad. Dude, unreal, unreal. Towards the end of the podcast, they talk a little bit about some hunting. Yeah. Cause Jocco started hunting. Joe's been doing it for a while.

Talking about the great hunters, that they have the privilege of hunting with Cameron Haines, John Dudley, all these guys. And Joe said something interesting. He said that how shooting a bow really helped his rifle shot. Excuse me, and I can agree. I mean, I've been shooting a bow since I was 17 and you know I do notice when I'm given a rifle because it's so much more still and you can just focus on your breathing without all the rest of

the kind of contractions of shooting it really does improve your rifle shot. And that's an interesting thing to think of for people that do any hunting or shooting with a rifle that they might want to consider doing some bow work just for that stillness and control. Yeah, that was really interesting because Joe was talking about how you have to use all the muscles in your back and squeeze your upper back and your arms, your forearms, and your finger, and then you're working on your breathing whilst trying to keep your eye on the target.

And then he's like, with a gun, once you've got it settled and it's comfortable, it's just that slow trigger pull. So that was, for that to transfer into shooting a rifles, pretty cool for sure. Yeah, it's interesting to see how there's those parallels. Like, you think they're totally different things because the mechanisms are different, but you know, a lot of it's just being calm, being patient, and staying kind of focused with your breathing. I mean, breathing is a big part of all of it.

I know snipers even try and shoot in between their heart beating or something. I once heard that. I was like, how is that even fucking possible? But they try and do it between beats. That's when they pull the trigger. How the fuck they do that, I don't know. I mean, those guys on a different level aren't they? They're the best trained people in the world.

Yeah. And what I really liked about that actually, you know, two guys talking about just proper, just like raw human hunting, providing for yourself, providing for your family. And also, the second thing for me was, and they linked this to Jiu Jitsu, which I totally understand and I feel as well,

is that you have to be present when you do this stuff. Like in Jiu Jitsu, you have to be present. You're not thinking about your mortgage, the bills you have to pay, taking the kids to school, whatever it is, you are present, you're mortgage, the bills you have to pay, taking the kids to school, whatever it is, you are present, you're like, how am I gonna get out of this situation? Yeah, because you're fucking terrified.

Exactly, and I think people are so over-simulated these days by caffeine, lights, technology, where everyone's always on their cell phones, it's just constant information stimulation and it's the whole Fight or flight right are adrenaline is just constantly going and I think people have a really hard time Being present in the moment, you know mean you've Discussed it recently, you know when you go out for a beer like let's leave our phones here

So you you engage in communication again, you know, and they would And Joe and Jocco were talking about that about how we've lost the ability to communicate with each other. And it's kind of like just this big, vicious circle, right? We're stimulated by technology, people can relax, people don't know how to conversation, communicate, and we just get pulled into these big, like, big, vicious circles. And it's sad, it's like dehumanizing people, I think. Yeah, if you ever, like if you notice people today,

if they're on their own, like in a waiting room, standing in line at a coffee shop on their own, even at a bar, just chilling on their own, which people used to do. It wasn't uncommon for like one guy to just go to a bar and just say, they glint. And you know, that's why they had TVs, right? That's, they put TVs up so you can watch them.

But in England, they don't always have TVs. Like it either forces you to talk or just sit there quietly. Now people don't even know what to do themselves. Like everyone that is like a single individual just out of place like this is a hundred percent on their phone. You can almost guarantee it. Well, because you almost feel like training of even what to do. Yeah. You almost feel like a weirdo, don't you?

If you're just stood there and you're just looking around, like, because you look around and everyone's heads down like, this is the thing, like, people have no idea what's going on in the world and like the danger that's actually out there and like, you know, you could link that back to law enforcement or the shit they have to deal with and what they kind of protect us from. It's like people don't have their heads on a swivel, right? Everyone's heads down, buried in their phone and like, you don't know what could happen to you. So it's frightening, like, it's just, what's the movie Sean of the Dead, right?

Yeah, you know, like, so like, he, when the whole world turned into zombies, he's walking down the street and he doesn't notice anything different because everyone's acting the same as they were before and it's kind of like that Yeah, that was a great precursor to like that was even before Smartphones existed, but now it's he it would be even more Poignant because that's exactly how it is. I mean it's making zombies people just stuck on it I really like to stay is disconnected from my phone as I can yeah for sure like I I enjoy it I take pride in the idea that I just don't post a lot of shit or Stories or I just you know unless it's for work which I understand yeah, or you're building something but for me

It's not it's not that it's for work, which I understand. 100% yeah. Or you're building something, but for me, it's not that. It's just like something to do. But I love just being able to leave it down or not check it. Or not feel like I work for my phone, but the fucking thing works for me. Yeah, 100%. You know, and talking about scary shit, though, what about that story of Jocco breaking John Dudley's neck? So John Dudley is a world-class

Archer and a great guy was training with with Jocco is John Dudley a seal to I'm not 100% sure He's a bad mother. Yeah, regardless. He might as well be and I guess Jocco so how did Jocco break his neck? I wasn't really following that. So Jocco was telling the story about how he kind of exchanged services, I guess you could say.

Like he taught Jocco Hader to bow hunt properly and gave him a load of pointers. And then Jocco had him come into the gym into victory MMA. He's Jim in San Diego. And Jocco was kind of showing him some basics and the family were there, Dudley's family was there. And then Jocco said like after he was like, hey, do you want to go?

You wish, you know, in Jiu-Jitsu is kind of like, hey, let's roll. So Jocco was like, okay. That's such a bad idea. So I think Jocoko was basically on top control and he put in an Ezekiel choke, no Ghee. So basically he just Joko uses giant gorilla forearms to kind of choke him out.

And Joko tells the story and he's got his knuckles and the guy's neck and he's not tapping. And you know, like some people, when they knew they don't know when to tap in Jujutsu. And you figure out it's experience, so you know when to tap, or you know when you beat. And then, yeah, they felt like a, I think he felt like a bit of a crack.

And he didn't think too much of it. And then apparently, he had a scan from a doctor, like months and months further down the line and the doctor's like you have a hairline fracture of one of your cervical vertebrae. He's like I think I know what that was from so Joe just takes the piss out of him saying why you choked him out and you broke his neck in front of his wife. And kid yeah he's, you fucking animal. Jocco's like, no, no, let me explain.

It wasn't like that. No, it sounds like it was, Jocco. You fucking gorilla. Yeah, the guys are... Loads. Yeah. Yeah, too strong. Too strong.

I mean, he talked about competing back in the day and losing to big country. Yeah. I mean, Jocco is no joke. Big country is bad ass. A heavyweight is... I mean, he was really fucking no joke. Big country is bad ass, a heavyweight is, I mean, he was really fucking bad ass for a long time. He knocked out Brennan Shab in the ultimate fight.

That's right, he did. Fight a final. I mean, you know, he beat Kimbo. He had some good fights, he was fucking legit. And the fact that Jocco was at a level where he could go up against him and almost one, you know, or could have, it just, that guy is just beyond terrifying in his own way. Why?

It was a great pod. I always love Jocco being on there. Those two are good friends and just hearing like those two dudes, I mean, name someone that's more of a man than Jocco willing. I fuck the rock. I don't even know. Yeah, probably know you're gonna start Jocco maybe Chuck R.S. He is Definitely Chuck. He's up there Bruce Lee. I mean, we're talking mythical characters after that for sure for Who knows all right next up we got Kyle Dunnigan 1495 Kyle has one of the best

Instagrams I've ever seen it does the face swap he has some legendary Michael Jackson videos There's a lot of the Kardashians Mate he's just hilarious if you don't follow him follow him now and Laugh your ass off because some of the stuff he does is unbelievable. He used to be on the show, you know, 911, that's where I first saw him. He was good on that. Yeah. And it is comedy's really taken off. What I loved about this podcast, and like you were saying, actually, a lot of him

been very serious recently, and this one was just funny. They got high as fuck, and just had a laugh, you know. Weeds League on California, they weren't breaking the law, they had some whiskeys, they just had some fun and brought a bit of comedy back to the world, much needed and yeah, I absolutely loved it. I mean, they started off so silly, like the dangers of being a lumberjack

and they both told you what that is all about. A lumberjil. They had no idea. Yeah, they're like, I don't even know what they is all about. Number Jill. They had no idea. Yeah, they're like, I don't even know what they do or how they do it. And it seems dangerous. I'm like, fuck yeah, being a lumberjack's dangerous. Trees flying everywhere. Yeah, and you want to talk about, you know, we talk about manly stuff like that.

You can't get much more manly than that. No, that job's got to be hard as hell. Oh, I used to do that when I was younger. Yeah, yeah, my step-die while I was at university and just going into words, cutting trees down, it's ridiculously hard. Did you have any close calls, like almost getting squashed by a tree or whatever? Kind Not by a tree there's there's there's a couple of incidents Incidences where I've been a little bit close with my foot with the chainsaw Yeah, when a tree falls down in the branch is kind of fold underneath

There's a lot of pressure on them And when you're kind of taking the limbs off Sometimes they'll they'll spring back And when the soil's still going and might flick the soil into your boot, you know, so you've got to be this yeah Which it amazes me like you just see all these guys just going down to the heart local hardware store just buy and chain so And I'm just like oh my good lord Because I like I know how dangerous they are you know like they are in the wrong hands like that that you could really call some serious injury to

yourself. They they just immediately chop something off right like it would be as fast as you could put your hand on it would just blow your finger. Well not necessarily like because of the teeth and the way it's more of a it's gonna like I would say like fingers in the hand maybe it would but like you start getting into like a leg. It's gonna just kind of chew it To you know, I'm saying like it's gonna really rip some stuff. It's it would be nasty Do you wear like special pants or clothing that like tangles up the You wear like special pants or clothing that like tangles up the Yeah, if you should wear the proper gear because once the once the chain goes into it Yeah, like you said it just it just choose up it just just blocks the the chain from from rotating

anymore Yeah, it's it's gnarly is But some people, man, they just, they just, they don't take the necessary precautions, I guess. And then you've just got these crazy guys who are just chopping these giant, almost things they ain't climbing up them. They don't give a shit. It's probably one of those though,

you get just get so comfortable with it and everything's so normal. You do it a thousand times, you don't even think twice. And then it's just that one time that Something gets fucked and you that's when you realize this whole time how dangerous it was and Boom I mean there's so many jobs like that. That's what I mean like one person's sending the wrong email It work is the other person's Going wrong with the chainsaw, you know, it's like

going wrong with the chainsaw. You know, it's like, you said, you do something thousands of times and you don't think about it, you know? And then that's why you got to be present, lad. That's it, that's it, buddy. You do it too. Well, it's one of those. It's like, yeah, you can accidentally

attach everybody to an email that's private. I mean, okay, that's embarrassing. Yeah, my boss is a prick the consequences Yeah, the consequences and nowhere is dire is Is when you fucking you know using that sort of heavy machinery? Nuts well, so Kyle has a Tesla. I've seen it because I've seen him perform the comedy stories driven him with it. Obviously Joe does Kyle couldn't stop talking about how much he fucking loves that thing and how Elon Musk is the man I like talking about Elon. I think he's super interesting guy really an innovator and

Doing a lot of cool shit. I went over to the lows actually near me and there's like a parking lot for SpaceX Oh, that's cool. I mean, nearly airport. Yeah, I don't know what they're doing over there, but it was full of tezlers. And yeah, they got a parking lot. I'm like, fucking SpaceX, man. How badass is that shit? That dude is just unbelievable.

Like what an incredible thing. Well, he's another guy who's talking about leaving California. Yeah, he said a few weeks ago, it was something to do with government restrictions on production. And he said, I'll take all of my plans to Texas or wherever it was he said, and I'll make it there. Oh, shit. As California's estate, you do not want Tesla leaving. No. I just feel like they're gonna just... I think they're gonna come out with a couple of other cheaper models and people just

want Tesla's. They're so much better than other cars from what I'm hearing. Just so much cooler. My old roommate has the small one. What's that called the model three? Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah fucking yeah mark has that and he loves it He's just like this thing is unbelievable like he just blows his mind every time he's in it And I just think how fucking cool is that and it was like 35 yeah, and they're just so quiet and so luxurious. It's crazy What else can you buy for that money that would even be nothing not like that you should get one you get deal Do you get ready? I'll do it after you pay me for the podcast Sounds sounds reasonable. Let's do it. Let's do it

I yeah, what else did they get into? Well, I was just gonna say like, what I really loved about that podcast was like, it was just two guys shooting the shit and just enjoying each other's company. I think they hadn't seen each other for a long time and it was just, it was nice to just hear two humans interact positively, have a good laugh,

make kind of light of some situations, you know, and just like kind of relax a little. It was good. I really enjoyed that episode. It's important to have those episodes too, because things do get tense. The world's tense now, so there's a lot of information that needs to come forward. So they have all these serious guests trying to pass and pull on information. But it's nice to remember that we can just take a seat and relax and get silly and have a laugh. And yeah, thank God for those ones. Just thank God really, the Joe, on top of being a great podcast. Like, if he was in a standup, right? Imagine if he just did fear factor, and then he was the UFC commentator, and then he

had the podcast, which was good. That would be awesome. I still think the podcast would be massive. But the fact that he knows all the best comedians in the country, and they're his good friends for over 20 years, just make those conversations unbelievable, you know, whether it be Bill Burr or Tom Papa, like any of those guys, it just, it just makes it just so much better. I loved it when they were talking about like working out, getting in shape, like working out of your house, whatever.

And then gene manipulation, right, using CRISPR, and then making yourself look like whatever you want, like make yourself look like the world. Oh, that was brilliant. Like you know that shit, you know that shit's gonna be. Yeah, I'll be sure. Like imagine if someone said to you, right, okay, so you can take this pill, it's totally non-toxic,

everything's good, you know, there's been no side effects, but you take it and you'll basically be the size of the rock. Like your legs will change, you're jaw everything massive and you won't have to work out day in your life or don't take it and work out as much as you can, eat loads of food, you know, always be fucking tired as fuck, you know spend hours a day getting jacked and you'll only be as big as your genetics or imagine like allow everyone's taking that shit. It's funny because like you're only be as big as your genetics will like allow everyone's taking that shit. It's funny because like you're kind of asking the wrong person here because I, I, what gets lost on a lot of people is I genuinely love the process of training and staying healthy.

You know, like the days where you really don't want to do it and you just get your ass up and you go and do it, and you're super fucking satisfied. There's no doubt in my mind that there's a bunch of people who would just take shit to look good and not have to train, but I think you're losing on a lot of physical and psychological benefits of not training, you know? Yeah. For sure, I mean, there's still a lot of advantages to it.

Because Joe talks about, you know, how much it makes him feel good. Like, when he's training, he talks about that. And I think, as good as that is, and it's fantastic, like, it's like, the matrix, right? I know Kung Fu. Boom, girl. But there's no struggle there, right? There's no struggle to learn Kung Fu. All you've done is you've just done your Amazon one click purchase and you know Kung Fu. Which is like what we it probably doesn't raise your tough. Yes, what we do with everything is what we do with everything in our lives now, you know? So I think there is a there is a serious

lesson or a lot of lessons in the process of getting to that point, you know. But for some people it would be nice. Definitely. Another thing that they talked about is like the whole sex spot issue, you know, like when and these sex spots are going get hot and, you know, Joe's like, well, they're never gonna replace a real woman because you just don't get that struggle, you know, you don't get the back and forth, you're not gonna get the butterflies

for it, but who knows, man, who knows how hot they can make these things. I mean, by the time they make them look super fucking hot and basically act like humans, they're gonna be at a program them in to be like the sexiest, sassyest things on the planet. You know, it's like your own sex spot, but it actually just denies you one night. It's like, no, I'm not feeling it. No, you didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it. You didn't do it in a way, like it would be annoying in the moment, but it's the same thing as you're talking about, it's like the struggle is what makes it worth it.

Well, we are, we program that struggle. This all comes like, we are hunters, we are evolution by evolution, we are hunters, that's how we survive, and every year we just lose a little bit more of that, right? You know, that just that raw human desire to, like, that's how we function. That's what we're made for. We're made for hunting and gathering and procreating, you know, and it's just like, now it's just all like a click of a button and it's Unfortunately, it's ruining some people, you know, I think it's you have to be really cognitive of Staying true to who you are and and I and that's what like like I like about Joey keeps it real he keeps it raw

You know he hunts does you just do it's cool Yeah, for sure for sure I again like you said this was it was just so fun It was just like a lot of fun. There's so much silliness in this if you guys haven't checked this one out I couldn't recommend it enough You know what do you remind you really wanted it? Remind me of you know when you watch a good movie and then they show the outtakes at the end of the movie And you like fuck why don't they put that in? And then you're like, well, it kind of doesn't work, obviously, because it's an I take.

But if you just watch I take and they're hilarious, and it was kind of like they'd done a podcast episode, and then they were just hanging out after. Yeah, and I like that. And I think that's, it's that raw, it's that raw human, just there's no bit, there's no like kind of performance, it's no performance, there's just raw people being honest, just being themselves. I love that, it was great. Yeah, it was fantastic.

Well Ash, thank you for joining me this week and I think that we're going to start doing this more. So it's going to be thelish version of the GRI review. Yeah, thanks for having me, mate. I appreciate it. Yeah, and thanks for everyone listening. Thanks for your patience with me being away, but we're gonna get more consistent with these and just stay tuned.

And peace, have a great week, everyone. Bye! everyone bye