Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - A Review of Episode 1208 Jordan Peterson

Episode Date: December 13, 2018

Jordan Peterson is one of Joe Rogan’s best guests to have on. He’s a clinical psychologist and knows a shit ton of shit about human nature and behavior on the individual level. He has a great book called 12 rules to avoiding chaos. Check out their conversation it’s great. Enjoy my review folks! Please email me with any suggestions and questions for future Reviews:   [e-mail]

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Los enbases del verano Siempre van a la amarillo So this episode of the JRE review is reviewing the conversation that Joe Rogan had with Jordan Peterson, like many Joe Rogan fans a favorite guest and an incredibly interesting guy. It's just always so great to have him on the way that he speaks, the kind of knowledge that he throws down. It's not to say that everything that you always agree on, but he definitely brings about very interesting points and ways of looking at things that at least for me were like very contrary to how I saw life and understanding of my actions and things like that before. If you're not super familiar with Jordan Peterson he has a great book called The 12 Rules for Avoiding Chaos. I think it's called, it's a very good book. It's like 12 essays that are really fascinating. And then look up his videos online. It shows a lot of his lectures and speaking events, speaking engagements.

You get a real feel for like who he is. There's a lot of his dialogue out there. When there's a lot of content just like Joe Rogan's, it's hard to hide yourself. You know, it's hard to hide who you really are over and over when you've got thousands of hours of like you speaking out on the web. So you get a real feel for who he is. I think genuinely he's a really good guy that wants to give back and do a lot of good and help people feel. I think genuinely he's a really good guy that wants to give back and do a lot of good and help people feel a lot better. He's a clinical psychologist, what he used to be, and now mostly does lecture tours. So he starts the conversation with Joe, just getting into the lecture circuit and how it's kind of amazing that thousands of people will come

out now to listen to academic lecture tours, you know, in young people too. It's like almost making it cool again. Well, again, I don't know when it was ever popular, but it's fascinating that people are going to these things. honestly I would too if he if he ever put one on in a town near me I'd be interested to go I think it is really fascinating there's a lot of other more useless ways you could spend your time and you know people are looking for help and they're looking for leadership it's some things they're lacking now and men especially trying to figure this out. One of the criticisms that Jordan has and he brought it up in the conversation is that

people give him a hard time because mostly only men listen to come to his lectures and follow him online and do those sorts of things. The more he's been thinking about it, he just decided recently that, you know, this isn't a negative. Does it matter who follows him? He didn't pick him. You know, he'd be happier to have a more diverse crowd. But if it's just men, mostly men,

mostly young men, mostly even if they're white guys, he's like, it's helping their lives. It's improving their lives and they can help improve other people's lives And I think that's an excellent point. It's like don't get hung up on on those things, you know, just be Just just be happy that you can do good The main credence of a lot of what he says and when he's talking back and forth with Joe is the understanding of more Responsibility people need to take more responsibility on. They don't. If you think about each of the actions that you've taken a day and you're

like, is this a responsible action? Or is this a child-ish action? And it's quite easy to categorize either. And if you did it for a whole day and more of your actions were kind of childish, like maybe they were negative, maybe they were reaching out, maybe they were like giving someone a hard time, and really it's just you projecting onto them. You might find that there's just not he does it with like clinical psychology, like actual data and it's really fascinating the way that he's done it. With more responsibility, he truly feels you'll feel a lot better, Joe agrees. The things that are worth doing come with more responsibility. So bear a heavy load so you don't become bitter Really like if you if you bear heavy load you don't become bitter people do get bitter though, you know

um Yeah, and if you don't if you don't bear that heavy load what moves in as Jordan says Will be hellish will be awful like um and that's fascinating. It's like it, there's no way around it. You have to grow older, be more responsible, bear a heavy load, take on responsibilities, kids with rest of it. Otherwise, you just feel awful, which is crazy, because we always just think about when in the lottery and retiring and doing nothing and being less responsible, but maybe that doesn't work You know He talks a lot about thinking about things you're avoiding right?

So instead of like goal setting like what are you avoiding? What are you afraid of break down the things you're afraid of in the smaller pieces? You know and then these small pieces can be can be chipped away at you don't have to see it as Mount Everest you just see it as one step in front of another. And that's always great advice, even though it's hard to not look at that mountain. You're like, okay, one step in front of another. He and Joe talk about facing your own demons and that it's very hard. But your ability to beat it is stronger, which is actually amazing. Like to think about your resilience, like if you actually sit there and face your fears,

you will get through it and it's the path you're greatest potential. So doing difficult things, bearing that heavy load, scaring the shit out of yourself as I like to call it, is really good. You know, taking yourself, whether it's even like sitting in the sauna for like longer than you can handle or going to a circuit training class that really wears you out or doing some sort of a public speaking engagement that really makes you feel awful. It's always afterwards you just feel so accomplished and amazing and it's really never as scary

as you think. Even if you really fucked it up, you can go back do it again. It's not as bad. It just isn't. Joe loves the way that Jordan engages with people. So Jordan Peterson does a lot of interviews on TV where like often feminists or other people will come at him and he just supports his position. And what he's trying to do is not be a feminist or be anyone in particular. He's just trying to get to the truth of an argument using logic and like a core value of ethics. And then also the clinical psychology that he knows, like he has really Joe says the way that Jordan engages people is almost like Hoys Gracie back in the early days of UFC, but for the intellectual dark web.

And that reference just goes back to how Hoys would just come out. He looked unimposing and he just fucked everyone up. He made everyone else's martial art look like shit. And in a way, this is what Jordan is doing. And they're bringing more and more intelligent people out to kind of trip them up. And, you know, they learn the way that he talks now so they can prepare better for it.

But at the end of the day, these people are just coming out to win. And I don't really think that's what Jordan is is necessarily trying to do. He talks a little bit about negative comments online, you know, are just as bad as negative comments in real life. So they hurt as much, right? But he also says positive ones don't have the same power. So when someone in person gives you a compliment, say, says something very nice to you in person,

it means a lot. If they say it online, it means a little bit, but not as much, but the negative ones really hurt. So they go back and forth about the amount of If they say it online, it means a little bit, but not as much, but the negative ones really hurt. So they go back and forth about the amount of followers they both have on Twitter. I think Joe has well over a million. Jordan has about a million. And they talk about, you know, don't look at the comments. Just don't bother. You know, not that it's not worth reflecting on how people are perceiving you, but they're just some very angry people out there. And not everything is, is like welcomed criticism. And it's really just, a lot of it's not necessary. Which is cool, that's a good lesson, I think, for anyone that's active on social media.

Don't get too hung up on people giving you a hard time. You know, at least you're doing something, at least you're getting on with it. Maybe they're not. Maybe they're sad. And, you know, angry. I don't really, I get angry. Sometimes I get annoyed with some things, but I don't write, show you reviews. Um, I just, I don't know. I just feel like it's just best just to, if you don't like something, don't go back. Don't listen to it again. Don't't listen to it again don't go to that mall don't go to that bank don't go to that restaurant just do it that way I don't think you necessarily need to put it online I don't know how helpful that is I might be wrong I don't know always

what I'm talking about but there we go talks a little bit about in the work place how you want to be the guy that works 10% harder. And Joe really appreciates that because Joe works a hell of a lot harder. But when you work 10% harder than most of your colleagues and especially 10% longer shifts, you often get 40% more return financially. And this is some statistic that Jordan had. So if he throws it out there, it's not a bullshit one. He knows where it's coming from. You know, it doesn't mean he did the research himself

or gained the stats, but he knows that it's coming from, you know, a reputable source. And that's really interesting because 10% more is not a lot more, but 40% is. So put in the work, you know. Talk a little bit about prejudice and how it's unfortunate in society, but it's necessary, like sexual selection is always prejudicial.

I mean, it really is. Beautiful women aren't just like sleeping with any old ugly guy, like they're very selective and that's always going to be the way. And it's an acceptable prejudice, but it really is that. And then he often talks about a quality of outcome, is not going to work. And this idea of a quality of outcome is like everybody gets the same thing,

but he says that you lose so much motivation and people just aren't working the same and some people just are less capable. And it's very difficult to create this. Everyone gets the same kind of idea. You just want to pull people out of poverty is really where it's at. He moves on to an interesting thing about managers and he goes, a manager may have 20 employees and let's say he treats them pretty bad.

But no matter what, you're only getting one-twenty if of that brunt if you're one of his employees. It's not always likely that that manager is picking on you with all of his frustration. He has twenty people to deal with. It may feel like all the frustration comes down on you, but that's just a bit of an ego thing. Managers have a lot of responsibility and it's not always power. Managers, it's a tough spot for them. And I find that interesting because I've worked for managers before that I didn't respect and were very frustrating and you know you just never, I didn't at least.

I didn't take a step back just to think really what was going on there. Like what were they going through and how could I fix it? This is why reading a Jocka Willink's book is always good. The dichotomy of leadership. He puts a lot in there that's such a great book because it just says, hey take yourself out of this, figure out a solution. You know make this person like, make this person respect you, understand where this person is coming from, and he has tasks in there. And at the end of the day you just feel better because you're not fighting with your boss or you're not angry at work Which is shit how most of us are feeling a lot of the time really um and

That's kind of it Then they talk lastly just about kind of like trolls and haters online haters of successful people Just about kind of like trolls and haters online haters of successful people They hate their own failure and resent others that do better, right? This is a lot of people that we all know and if it's hard to see yourself as one of those people that those thoughts creep in But be trying to stay Mindful of it think about it and think okay, you know why Why am I mad about this? Why do I hate this person so much?

What am I jealous of? What do I really want? You know, where is the me part of this frustration? And it's a tough question, but a good one to reflect on. And they should stop and listen and learn instead of complain right so you know haters can do that haters can take a minute learn listen and on that note even to the haters out there thanks for listening I appreciate you guys there be more this week and love you boy

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